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    Default 65nm chips in production, 45nm chips coming soon (360)

    Excellent news for people on the shelf about buying a 360!!!!


    http://www.joystiq.com/2007/08/01/65...45nm-on-the-w/

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    Since I fall into the "extreamly paranoid" group I'll wait for the 45's. I'll also wait and give 'em a good amount of time to be sure The Ring has been destroyed in the fires of Mount Doom. Way to go hobbits... err... I mean MS. Good news indeed.


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    I wonder if there will be any way to tell the difference between the old hot chips and the 65nm chip 360's? I would imagine there would be a model number change similar to what Sony did with the numerous 1st generation PS1 and PS2 revisions (ex. SCPH-1000 vs. SCPH-3000). Otherwise I would think the RROD 360's will still be in retail channels until well after Christmas '07.
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    So hopefully by the time mine breaks I'll have one of these. Awesome.

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    Whew. Glad I'm waiting....though those cheap core units coming up are extremely tempting, if the rumors be true (come on, 3 separate ads?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icarus Moonsight View Post
    Since I fall into the "extreamly paranoid" group I'll wait for the 45's. I'll also wait and give 'em a good amount of time to be sure The Ring has been destroyed in the fires of Mount Doom. Way to go hobbits... err... I mean MS. Good news indeed.
    This is what I dont understand. The warranty is 3 years now. So even if you buy the console now, when it dies in a few months to a year you can just get yourself the one with the 65 or 45 NM chips. Why wait go ahead and buy the console you cant loose anymore when buying a 360!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanMurf View Post
    This is what I dont understand. The warranty is 3 years now. So even if you buy the console now, when it dies in a few months to a year you can just get yourself the one with the 65 or 45 NM chips. Why wait go ahead and buy the console you cant loose anymore when buying a 360!
    Becuase all MS will do is keep the same components currently in your 360.

    So if your 90nm craps out, they'll replace it with another 90nm chip. Even well after the 45nm chips are out.

    changing chips means a (hopefully) improved mobo, as well. The new chips probably wont be compatible with the current/older mobo's. But it would be great news if they are...

    Infact, I'll still bet they're probably just gonna re-design the 360 when the 45nm's are close to coming out. Make it a little smaller, and hopefully replace the DVD9 drive with the HD-DVD drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diskoboy View Post
    hopefully replace the DVD9 drive with the HD-DVD drive.
    that will never happen


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    Quote Originally Posted by diskoboy View Post
    Becuase all MS will do is keep the same components currently in your 360.

    So if your 90nm craps out, they'll replace it with another 90nm chip. Even well after the 45nm chips are out.

    changing chips means a (hopefully) improved mobo, as well. The new chips probably wont be compatible with the current/older mobo's. But it would be great news if they are...

    Infact, I'll still bet they're probably just gonna re-design the 360 when the 45nm's are close to coming out. Make it a little smaller, and hopefully replace the DVD9 drive with the HD-DVD drive.
    Not correct! They would not replace the xbox 360 with another 90NM If they would do that it would defeat the purpose of making the65/45 in the first place!!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanMurf View Post
    Not correct! They would not replace the xbox 360 with another 90NM If they would do that it would defeat the purpose of making the65/45 in the first place!!?
    It all comes down to money.

    Just like the PC market, chips get cheaper over time. It would be cheaper for MS to replace the 90nm chips than throw out the chips and mobo, and replace all the hardware.

    But this is only for people who currently have the 90nm chips. The people that buy the new chips will get replaced with the new ones, should they need them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanMurf View Post
    Not correct! They would not replace the xbox 360 with another 90NM If they would do that it would defeat the purpose of making the65/45 in the first place!!?
    Umm...how are those two things related? The new 360s will have new motherboards to house the smaller chips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanMurf View Post
    This is what I dont understand. The warranty is 3 years now. So even if you buy the console now, when it dies in a few months to a year you can just get yourself the one with the 65 or 45 NM chips. Why wait go ahead and buy the console you cant loose anymore when buying a 360!
    Because exchanging consoles is a giant pain in the ass and it sucks to be without your console for 2+ weeks. Especially when Microsoft is just as likely to send you back another 90nm unit.

    Quote Originally Posted by diskoboy View Post
    Becuase all MS will do is keep the same components currently in your 360.

    So if your 90nm craps out, they'll replace it with another 90nm chip. Even well after the 45nm chips are out.

    changing chips means a (hopefully) improved mobo, as well. The new chips probably wont be compatible with the current/older mobo's. But it would be great news if they are...
    1), It's impractical to remove the CPU of a 360, even with the soldering skills of a god.

    2), The 65mn chip will be physically smaller then the current design, so it wouldn't fit anyway.

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    All this mess makes me happy that I've waited on picking up an Xbox 360.

    I'll get one when all the problems have been sorted out, and the lemons are no longer on the retail shelf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProgrammingAce View Post
    Because exchanging consoles is a giant pain in the ass and it sucks to be without your console for 2+ weeks. Especially when Microsoft is just as likely to send you back another 90nm unit.



    1), It's impractical to remove the CPU of a 360, even with the soldering skills of a god.

    2), The 65mn chip will be physically smaller then the current design, so it wouldn't fit anyway.
    Now lets think logicly here? Lets go out in a year and a half and buy a solid 360 or we can go out now and buy one and risk it going in for 2 weeks for a repair (1 year V.S. 2 weeks)

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