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    Glad ditching NTSC worked good.

    Which type did you get? Breakout box model, or straight cable?

    Heh, only thing now is you gotta remember those "5" wires now (white/red for audio, and red/green/blue for picture)

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    Quote Originally Posted by evildragon View Post
    Glad ditching NTSC worked good.

    Which type did you get? Breakout box model, or straight cable?

    Heh, only thing now is you gotta remember those "5" wires now (white/red for audio, and red/green/blue for picture)
    I got the one without the big ass box. They had both used but I got the less bulky one. And now I can finally kill people on time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The 1 2 P View Post
    I got the one without the big ass box. They had both used but I got the less bulky one. And now I can finally kill people on time.
    Haha, and you made sure to check off 480p and 720p, but not 1080i, correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evildragon View Post
    Haha, and you made sure to check off 480p and 720p, but not 1080i, correct?
    Actually I only checked off 480p, but I'll go back and check of 720p as well. But I think Soul Calibur 2 is my only 720p game anyway.
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    Ok. Well, don't forget, 480p isn't an HDTV mode, it's an EDTV mode.

    If a game supports 720p, the native res of your panel, it will then be in HDTV only as long as you checked it off...

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    Quote Originally Posted by evildragon View Post
    Ok. Well, don't forget, 480p isn't an HDTV mode, it's an EDTV mode.

    If a game supports 720p, the native res of your panel, it will then be in HDTV only as long as you checked it off...
    I know what SDTV and HDTV stand for. Whats the "E" in EDTV stand for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The 1 2 P View Post
    I know what SDTV and HDTV stand for. Whats the "E" in EDTV stand for?
    Enhanced. It was before HDTV, but after SDTV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evildragon View Post
    Enhanced. It was before HDTV, but after SDTV.
    I see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evildragon View Post
    In my tests, the ONLY cables that would activate that menu, is the official Microsoft HD Pack cables. It comes in two flavors, a breakout box (original model), and a sing cable with Xbox at one end, and RCA jacks at the other. (later model, the cable I used in that pic)
    I know you said "in my tests" but those component cables WILL work for an HDTV, and will output in 480p. I know, because I just bought them 3 weeks ago for our new 1080p set and a second XBOX in the house. I went and activated all the menu options for 480p, 720p, 1080i... and played several games just fine. In fact in the top corner of the television- it shows the signal is in 480p. The only problem with these cables, is that the XBOX connector doesn't have an optical out (only the 360 connector does)- which isn't good if you plan on hooking it up to a digital surround system. I also have another 1080i set in the house with a 2nd XBOX and the official XBOX component cables (non-breakout box). I know the problem has been resolved- but just wanted to add my experience with those cables.

    Edit: I just tested a 720p (Hulk Ultimate Destruction) game on the set with the gamestop cables (a 1080p TV)... and in the top corner of the screen I got 720p... The game played just fine in 720p with those cables. Also you should check all the HDTV resolution boxes 1080 720 and 480p, if you want to experience a game at a higher resolution... because even if the TV doesn't display in that resolution most sets will will support it. Now... I don't know if that causes a problem in online gaming, but I don't think it would. You could always test it to be sure. Every now and then I have gotten a game, that would not work correctly with my console set to anything but 480i... they may have been bad games... so if you get a game that won't play (this has been on my 1080i set with the official XBOX cables)... try turning off all the settings but 480i and it should work- but you may never have to do this.
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    The last time I got Component cables that weren't official, it wouldn't trigger the HD mode. It would just be Component, but 480i only...

    Perhaps they finally fixed that..

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    Quote Originally Posted by evildragon View Post
    The last time I got Component cables that weren't official, it wouldn't trigger the HD mode. It would just be Component, but 480i only...

    Perhaps they finally fixed that..
    Well after you told me to get the official cables I never even opened up the Gamestop version. I just returned them. But the official cables work great and there is no more lag when I play online or offline(though I never experienced lag offline). However, hopefully I can say the same thing once I start playing my NES, Genesis and Super NES games on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The 1 2 P View Post
    Well after you told me to get the official cables I never even opened up the Gamestop version. I just returned them. But the official cables work great and there is no more lag when I play online or offline(though I never experienced lag offline). However, hopefully I can say the same thing once I start playing my NES, Genesis and Super NES games on it.
    Ehh, those are NTSC.

    Thing is, the TV has no idea they are 240p, and not 480i, so it still goes through the whole deinterlace routine. What you get is a big pixelated mess (along with a delay possibly).

    Best advice: Stick those machines on an old TV..

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    Quote Originally Posted by evildragon View Post
    Ehh, those are NTSC.

    Thing is, the TV has no idea they are 240p, and not 480i, so it still goes through the whole deinterlace routine. What you get is a big pixelated mess (along with a delay possibly).

    Best advice: Stick those machines on an old TV..
    I sold my old tv. But I played Double Dribble on my NES and it didn't lag so things might be ok on that front.
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    Just remember this though: There IS lag, just perhaps not noticeable. But your Xbox was obviously lagging more online than offline.. With your old TV you just wouldn't notice this.

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    Although there is no noticable lag on an HDTV for an NES... you will not be able to play any light gun games. If you don't plan on playing Duck Hunt or Hogan's Alley, you'll never know the difference. And I have a CRT HDTV and there is no pixelization... and it looks nearly the same as on an analog set. On the other hand if you have a plasma or LCD TV, you may notice some drop in quality vs. an analog set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDomesticInstitution View Post
    Although there is no noticable lag on an HDTV for an NES... you will not be able to play any light gun games. If you don't plan on playing Duck Hunt or Hogan's Alley, you'll never know the difference. And I have a CRT HDTV and there is no pixelization... and it looks nearly the same as on an analog set. On the other hand if you have a plasma or LCD TV, you may notice some drop in quality vs. an analog set.
    Well, considering most HDTV sets upscale 240p/480i to 540p, there would be pixilation, you just may not notice the "doubled scanline" appearance.

    THAT'S where the small lag comes from, de-interlacing for the upscaling.. No CRT HDTV today can do 240p/480i natively, due to price for parts. So they are instead 540p/1080i...

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