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    Quote Originally Posted by isufje View Post
    When you say supports 480p, do you mean it displays 480p natively or upscales 480p to 720p?

    Can you give me the make and model of you HDTV just incase your not sure? I'd like to help, but I gotta know what HDTV you have so I can check out the specs.

    I don't believe there should be any lag if your TV's resolution is set at 480p and Halo 2 outputs at 480p. Change your TV to 480p if you haven't already done so.
    I'm sure the TV scales up. But the problem is that the Xbox is outputting so much detail, it slows down the CPU.

    He needs to read the manual that came with the Xbox to change the resolution. It's in "Display" somewhere..
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    Wait, I think I know your problem... Your not even using the HD cables. If you don't have the Component HD cables, you won't see these options.. You NEED that cable, and if your getting a 360, don't even bother...

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ragon/disp.jpg

    Without that cable, your outputting NTSC, and are having your TV decode NTSC, run it through a comb filter, deinterlace it, and upscale it. Yea, that's a delay. And weather you notice it or not, that's also OFFLINE gaming too..

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    Quote Originally Posted by evildragon View Post
    Wait, I think I know your problem... Your not even using the HD cables. If you don't have the Component HD cables, you won't see these options.. You NEED that cable, and if your getting a 360, don't even bother...

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ragon/disp.jpg

    Without that cable, your outputting NTSC, and are having your TV decode NTSC, run it through a comb filter, deinterlace it, and upscale it. Yea, that's a delay. And weather you notice it or not, that's also OFFLINE gaming too..
    Finally a step in the right direction. Thanks evildragon. But what cables do you recommend? Gamestop has a pair of HD component cables for $14.99. Will those do?
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    In my tests, the ONLY cables that would activate that menu, is the official Microsoft HD Pack cables. It comes in two flavors, a breakout box (original model), and a sing cable with Xbox at one end, and RCA jacks at the other. (later model, the cable I used in that pic)

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    No, those are not Microsoft cables, and will not give you the resolution menu you need.

    That cable will only deliver 480i. While that will reduce the need for NTSC decoding and comb filters, it still leaves the deinterlacer (the worst of the process), and upscaling..

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    TVs should really have an option to NOT deinterlace. Just update half the lines every frame. Is there some reason that is not possible? That would get rid of most of the lag, I think. This doesn't actually address the problem, I'm just contemplating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkiDragon View Post
    TVs should really have an option to NOT deinterlace. Just update half the lines every frame. Is there some reason that is not possible? That would get rid of most of the lag, I think. This doesn't actually address the problem, I'm just contemplating.
    If you did that, it would be 30fps and only 240 lines of resolutions.

    TVs with deinterlaces interpolate the fields to give you 60fps and full 480i res (when static images)..

    My TV does Per-pixel adaptive deinterlacing, and is only ONE "frame" behind.

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    Can't a TV assemble a frame with black pixels in every odd/even line, and the picture's pixels in every even/odd line, and then display the frame? This is the fastest way I can think of without each line refreshing at a different time, like a normal CRT.

    Lag is the reason I have not yet bought an HDTV.
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    No, because it's an LCD, it doesn't produce scanlines. Besides, even a CRT HDTV has scanlines, but it's very small. Adding artificial scanlines would look like ass.

    Besides, it's practical to just deinterlace, it looks far better than trying to emulate 480i interlacing as you suggest.

    Lag on an HDTV is non-existant if you match up to the native res. For LCD's this is usually 720p, even if not exact, as no deinterlacing is needed, only scaling, and show image...

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    Quote Originally Posted by evildragon View Post
    No, those are not Microsoft cables, and will not give you the resolution menu you need.

    That cable will only deliver 480i. While that will reduce the need for NTSC decoding and comb filters, it still leaves the deinterlacer (the worst of the process), and upscaling..
    Well it's a good thing I haven't opened them yet. Tomorrow I'll go back to get the official used ones. I really didn't want to get the HD pack ones because they are huge, clunky and cumbersome looking. But I know they have those used. I'll look for the other ones. Do you have a picture of the newer/later model?
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    Well, you did get an HDTV, not getting the HD cables is, no offense, stupid. (i say that jokingly)

    But still, you should get the HD cables. IF the problem persists, there's nothing I can do. But set it for 480p and 720p. Do not select 1080i if the LCD is natively 720p. Even though it can take in 1080i, it's useless and won't be seen, and would also require deinterlacing, and that's far more bandwidth than 480i.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evildragon View Post
    Well, you did get an HDTV, not getting the HD cables is, no offense, stupid. (i say that jokingly)

    But still, you should get the HD cables. IF the problem persists, there's nothing I can do. But set it for 480p and 720p. Do not select 1080i if the LCD is natively 720p. Even though it can take in 1080i, it's useless and won't be seen, and would also require deinterlacing, and that's far more bandwidth than 480i.
    It would be stupid...if I actually had something to plug the cables into. My cable box is connected to my tv thru a normal cable wire. But thats because I had a normal standard def tv before. I need to call them about upgrading. As for all my systems, some can take component cables and thats what I'm upgrading now. But for now the cables will run from my xbox to my system selector. If that doesn't work I'll run it directly into the tv.
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    Do you have a pic of your xbox component cables? I want to see what the newer/later model looks like.
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    Um, they are strapped down...

    But here's what they look like from web searching: http://media.teamxbox.com/faq/hd_av.jpg

    That's one type.. The other type is a single cable from MS...

    http://www.buynshop.com/images/products/505-07003.gif

    (look closely at the connector style...)

    I can get a closeup pic of the ends on mine (the second small pic), if you want me too..
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    Quote Originally Posted by evildragon View Post
    Um, they are strapped down...

    But here's what they look like from web searching: http://media.teamxbox.com/faq/hd_av.jpg

    That's one type.. The other type is a single cable from MS...

    http://www.buynshop.com/images/products/505-07003.gif

    (look closely at the connector style...)
    I can't see the first image because I'm not a member of that web site. But the second image will do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evildragon View Post
    Well, you did get an HDTV, not getting the HD cables is, no offense, stupid. (i say that jokingly)
    I second that....minus the joking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The 1 2 P View Post
    I can't see the first image because I'm not a member of that web site. But the second image will do.
    That's totally weird, I'm not a member there either and didn't need to. Lets just say it's a black box.. that's a breakout box from Microsoft called the "HD Pack".

    Do you need my pic of the second cable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evildragon View Post
    That's totally weird, I'm not a member there either and didn't need to. Lets just say it's a black box.. that's a breakout box from Microsoft called the "HD Pack".

    Do you need my pic of the second cable?
    I'm going to try and find one tomorrow. I know I can get the bulky one but I'm hoping to find the other one.
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    Ok, I got the official cable and it works like a charm. My online gaming is back to normal. Thanks again evildragon for all your help.
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