man thats an awsome collection mine is not that big yet but i am an rpg fan and just starting on the serious collecting side of things
man thats an awsome collection mine is not that big yet but i am an rpg fan and just starting on the serious collecting side of things
Lendelin: Nice collection. I'm right behind you sorta, only needing 12 more myself. I think more impressive is your complete strategy guides. That must have been a pain in the ass to track down some of the more obscure guides such as Evergrace, Eternal Ring and Forever Kingdom.
BTW, check your other thread on PS2 RPGs. You never responded to my question. I think you are short one game on the list - Swashbuckers - Blue vs. Grey.
For not being your native language I think you do alrightMuch better than people with English as a native language.
As for the digression of the what is an rpg and what isn't. That's why I don't even care for the whole "genre" ideas. Games should be described with adjectives, like a brief summary. For example "Sci Fi Turn Based RPG" "Arcade Action Shooter" etc.
This thread makes me cry inside due to all the RPG's I have that I've never played/and or beat. From the Ultimas to the Bard's Tales to even the more modern PS3/360 titles. So many hours of games, so little real life time.
roushimsx and TonyTheTiger, you are both right! This is not a cheap ‘let’s all hug’-strategy in order to avoid a clash of opinions, but you are both right to point to the fuzziness of genres and how hard it is to define them. One of the hardest genres to define are RPGs.Originally Posted by roushimsx
roushimsx, I agree that there is a lack of consistency in the PS2 RPG list – and therefore in my personal collection because I followed closely the list.
The lack of consistency is intentional because there was no better alternative. If we could agree on a definition with standards for a RPG we would certainly achieve consistency. Basically I sacrificed consistency on the altar of inclusion of borderline cases.
The reasons are twofold.
First, it would take a long time to agree on a definition, and once agreed we’d have problems with newly released games which stretch the genre again and change the need for a definition. (Deus Ex, Mass Effect) The time factor shouldn’t be underestimated; so far we still don’t have a useable and generally agreed definition after years of discussion.
Second, no matter how we define a RPG, no matter if we choose a minimal definition or an extensive content definition, we’ll always end up with questionable cases. We’ll always end up with games we want to include but fall outside of the definition, and vice versa.
Let’s say we define a RPG as a game which has to fulfill all of the following essential technical gameplay standards, ( which were proposed and discussed already years ago and I remember off the hat because I proposed and discussed some of them):
1) Some kind of statistics which define and describe certain attributes or skills of game characters.
2) The famous leveling-up, that means some kind of method to influence (increase) these statistics for characters.
3) There must be a menu for combat, just broadly a menu-driven combat system.
There are other standards proposed which may or may not be included as necessary conditions such as complex storylines, the latter is very weak one and shouldn’t be included imo.
You’ll always end up with cases which will raise eyebrows. Secret of Mana out, Alundra out, Popful Mail out. They fulfill two standards, but not a third one. Then you’ll always end up with cases which fulfill 1) and 2), but are just halfway there in the third standard category. Then you’ll end up with maybes like Disgaea and FF Tactics (Menu driven combat - yes, but still grid placement influences the battle; is it just a strategy game or a RPG?))
The point is, you’ll gain more consistency without any doubt when you have clearly defined standards.
But even with stricter standards there are always cases in which the feeling takes over – just enough gameplay elements for a category, or they fall just short to fulfill a category.
You’ll always end up with certain gameplay elements of another genre (see the above FF Tactics with strategy elements, replaceable with action elements and elements from many other genres). That’s why we have the genre combinations action/RPG, strategy RGP, and so many others.
In the last ten years we have the development tendency towards the hybrid game. I like it. Even in sports games we have now elements of statistical skill attributes which were once used only in RPGs. The result are the above mentioned genre benders which makes it even more difficult to agree on clearly defined RPG standards. It is more a matter of “feeling” even in the case of applied RPG-standards if certain RPG elements are essential gameplay elements or just used to color a game with or give it a mood of a RPG. In some posts of the original thread I discussed some of those cases.
The very simple reason I avoided a RPG definition for the list (AND my collection) is its recommendation character. It was designed to be as inclusionary as possible and not as the ‘ultimate’ RPG list. In the end everyone can add or remove titles for his personal list. However, I admit that the term "complete" is misleading because ther is no such thing.
The titles you address are indeed questionable for a strict RPG list, and there is an unavoidable lack of consistency. Facing big hurdles of defining standards, another option is simply to put ten or more of these titles in the borderline category. (Nine of them are currently in there) But then we’ll loose again the leeway recommendation character of the list.
It is certainly helpful to have played as many games as possible. But let’s say I played half of them, I’d be still dependent on recommendation of gamers for the games I have played and have not played, and still dependent on reviews to make decisions of inclusions or exclusions. We’d have anyway a hard time to find someone who has played 50% or 75% of the titles.
All I could do was being open-minded, tried to be fair, listen to the posters, and look up reviews for specific gameplay elements if they fit broadly RPG “expectations” if posters proposed a borderline case. (I never looked up just the genre label these games got in reviews)
I still wouldn’t have a prob putting the Harvest Moons, River King, Graffiti Kingdom and Magic Pengel and others in the borderline category, but I think that’s not so important.
I agree wholeheartedly with the content bias if we try to regard borderline cases as RPGs. If we see a guy in strange clothes with a big sword in front of a medieval castle, we certainly have an easier time to accept it as a RPG all other things being equal. Probably we'd have some doubts even about Dragon Quest VIII with the same gameplay elements but played with machine guns and nuclear knives, with scruffy looking gangsters, and placed in a dark chaotic world in 3020.
MMO RPGs are in the list but as an add-on after the borderline cases. I think it is up to everyone to have them in their own RPG collection or not.
This was a long post, that’s why I tried to avoid such a discussion in the RPG list- thread.
Last edited by lendelin; 02-23-2008 at 10:02 PM.
I mentioned you because I remember very well your pictured Zelda collection, Dragon Quest collection, and of course the PS1 RPG collection. Just great to look at stuff llike that.
If you have already 60 of the games, I GUARANTEE you that you'll get the remaining games within the next three years.
I don't know if you have it already, but get the .hack box set from GS/EBgames soon. This might go up in price soon. Got not a lot of publicity, and how many of them were produced for a niche game like this and then exclusively distributed by one retailer?
That's a very low priority...and that means probabaly never.
Only US releases. I put the link to the DP thread with the game list in the OP.
Geez, that makes four!lendelin, Chaos Wars is another rpg coming out hopefully in march.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/data/934027.html
New thread for genre discussion.
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=113452
Personally, I think it's a good thing we have these crossbred games that borrow from multiple genres. Without these games straggling the line we'd have a pretty boring selection. I just use the heap example as a basis for everything. You have a game with elements X, Y, and Z. You define it as an RPG. Imagine removing element X. Do you still consider it an RPG? If so that element is negligible. If you don't then somehow that element is crucial to the genre. Some people are absolutist about it. For example, "Experience points are needed to make a game an RPG. Without experience point growth it is no longer an RPG." Other people are vagueists. They find that removing experience points from something like Final Fantasy doesn't automatically kick it out of the RPG genre. This is just a hypothetical but the absolutist/vagueist thing will never be resolved. Two competing theories. But no point in dragging this on any longer. Regardless, the collection is impressive. And Justice League Heroes, RPG or Beat-em-up, is too good to not own no matter what collection you're aiming for.
Last edited by TonyTheTiger; 02-24-2008 at 12:43 AM.
Very nice! I like seeing specific collection's because they just seem much more personal and meaningful. And I can relate to the difficulty in determining what to include or not. I collect shooters which one would normally think of as top down or side scrolling. But I couldn't in all good conscience exclude fixed point shooters like Space Invaders or 3rd person shooters like Panorama Cotton. So I understand the dilemma in determining how broadly or narrowly a genre could be defined.
I don't play RPG's myself, but I buy them because my son likes them. I'd happily play anything like Baldurs Gate though!
nice. i have a full ps1 rpg set, i do somehow prefer the ps1 over ps2 rpgs, but there are a lot of great ps2 rpgs ive yet to add to my collection... id say i have about 30-40 ps2 rpgs right now, and only about 20 more to go that i care about.
im going for a full rpg collection of ps1, snes and gba games. to me, all those feel the same on some strange level. im almost done w/ gba, ps1 is done, and snes has a lot to go, but i have all the expensive ones.
Nice collection! I didn't read the entire thread though after the trouble started
My PS2 RPG collection is nm-mint and 99% purchased new; is pretty close to yours and I hope to finish sometime soon. Some of your games I purchased for other systems instead. I had the same idea about them becoming way to expensive to complete years from now as I also don't have the financial resources to finish my ps1 collection while still collecting for the saturn. I need to finish up the dot hack's as well.
I don't really collect variants except for LE versions of games. I'm not interested in digimon/marvel/etc but I think I've done well so far ^__^ I need to really clean and resetup my game room so I can take pictures worth taking.
If you want to take a look you can check it out here.
http://users.ign.com/collection/faendryltunare
cheers ~~
p.s. the Stella Deus is a flip cover. I also didn't notice Radiata Stories but I probably missed it with my tired eyes. .. edit... nm I found it XD
Last edited by jupitersj; 02-25-2008 at 11:33 AM.
Awesome, thats a really nice collection.
Is this a boxset for the games or just anime? I couldn't find it on their website and I never got into the anime series so I don't know >.>
It is a Special Edition boxset for .hack//G.U. Vol.1 with the game, a figurine and a DVD, it was an exclusive from GS/EBGames.
You can find it in picture 1 of the OP, it is the oversized box.
The description can be found here...
LINK:
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73673
...in the special list for deluxe sets after the regular list.
Sorry to resurrect this thread. One of the posters addressed the money involved in collecting these current RPGs, and that made me really curious how much I actually spend on these 137 games over a time period of six years. I did the math.
Since I have a very good memory for stuff like this, I made a careful estimation and added it up. I know how wishful thinking skews memory, so I added $250 to the total in order to account for the selective memory factor.
Lots of the deluxe sets were gifts, keep that in mind. Around 70% of the games were bought new.
Total: $2050, that means $14.9 per game
If I include resales on ebay for the RPGs collected (did it for the last year, unfortunately I started to do it very late)):
Total: $1750, that means $12.7 per game
Over a time period of six years:
$292 per year
$25 every month for the last six years
If I had picked up some more games on sale not only for myself but for resale in the last six years, the price per game would probably be around $7 to $8.
This is actually not too bad. There were really great sales in the last couple of years, and I was surprised that wre quite a few games under $10, and I was amazed how many were in the $10 to $15 range.
The key is to wait until games are on sale. If you want a lot of games you have to be a cheapskate (or own a gamestore for used games).
Sorry for the bumb; just a try to get the following items I'm still missing. If you have one of them to sell please shoot me a pm.
Games (variants):
SMT: Nocturne with soundtrack CD
Inuyasha with Trading Card
Digimon World 4 without Trading Card
Xenosaga III with Lenticular Cover
Guides:
Drakan: The Ancients’ Gates
Evergrace (got it)
Forever Kingdom
Jade Cocoon 2 (got it)
King’s Field Ancient City
Monster Rancher 3
Okage Shadow King
Orphen Scion of Sorcery
Last edited by lendelin; 10-13-2008 at 02:02 PM.
nice collection. I love it when people post pictures of their games. also would you consider a game like EverBlue 2 a border line game?
SEGA!
Everblue 2 is one of my favorite games, and I proposed it in this thread as a candidate for the borderline category.
I lost against others, and even worse, I lost against my own advocatus diaboli.
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