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    Quote Originally Posted by djbeatmongrel View Post
    i dont know why but i would double check to see if the insert is doulbe sided. its a rare thing but its worth checking before you call variant on it.
    You are correct sir. I just opened mine up and pulled out the artwork. Lendelin must have bought his used and the prior owner inverted it.

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    To all of you who suggested additions or removals: the list is by no means a papal list, just as inclusionary as possible.

    I think at a time when the genre bending hit a peak, borderline cases are aplenty. Lots of games mentioned are in the borderline category anyway. The Drakengards? Certainly border-borderline. GrimGrimoire, certainly a RTS with a strong RPG feel, therefore it is in the borderline category as well.

    I think we could agree on 90% of the games in the list, the remaining games are up to individual tastes. For some it is 'Graffiti Kingdom and Magic Pengel out, and Shadow of the Colossus and Gauntlet in.' In the end we can only say that there is noc such thing as a "truly" complete list of a genre, just that you completed the collection you made up for yourself regarding the remaining ten percent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djbeatmongrel View Post
    i dont know why but i would double check to see if the insert is doulbe sided. its a rare thing but its worth checking before you call variant on it.
    Great, thanks so much to you and esquire! It is double-sided indeed. BTW, Magna Carta has also a double-sided cover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate Nanjo View Post
    Check Atlus's Website in 2 days, they should be announcing Persona 3: FES or playing some joke. So that will be another to add. Also, I want to do this collection.
    Yep, you're right, I forgot about this one. That makes three on the list of future releases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carlcarlson View Post
    Nice man, congratualtions. This is something I've been striving for as well, and for the same reason it seems. It is a pain in the butt trying to track down PS1 rpgs now, especially at an affordable price, so why not take all of that work out for the PS2? The only difference is that I have no desire to own alot of those games, I'm only going for the (arguably) quality titles. You won't find Draken, Angel, or Fullmetal Alchemist in my collection. I think I've got about 15 more to go until I will be satisfied.
    Exactly my thoughts, too....and there were great sales in the last four years.

    I'd say that in the next two or three years you'll get the RPGs pretty easy and for a reasonable price; but it is probably not a good idea to wait longer than that looking at the prices of the RPGs for the PS1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sudo View Post
    Congrats, I wish I had the money to build up a collection like that.
    Actually it wasn't so expensive. I bought them over a period of six years, waited for great sales, and in some cases I really lucked out. The SMT Digital Devil Saga Box Set was $10 (the TRUS pre-Christams sale three years ago), Nocturne was $18, there were a lot of games in the CC clearance bins for $13 and $17 like Grandia III, Disgaea, Disgaea 2, all the Xenosagas, Legendia, Metal Saga and others from TRUS sales, and lots of deals from BB GS or Amazon.

    Together with same profitable sales on ebay all the games weren't too expensive.

    The price drops for RPGs are clearly the worst compared to other genres, still if you wait long enough you'll get them for a reasonable price. Usually I hardly bought a game for more than $20, most of the Deluxe sets are Christmas and birthday gifts.

    I'd say on average I probably paid $20 for a game, not too expensive considering they were bought over a time of six years. (not considering some profits from resales I made and then invested in buying games like so many of us do.)

    NEVER EVER do what I did with Soul Nomad or Phantasy Star Illuminus. I bought them for $40 each which I usually don't do. In particular the new Phantasy Star game will drop soon in some sales to $10. I was just too impatient and wanted the few remaining games on my list NOW.

    If you want a lot of games you have to be a cheapskate, and patience pays off
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    Mentioning the PS1 list, is it still in the threads someplace? I've searched numerous times. Do we have a complete, detailed list like for PS2? I'm too working on my PS2 RPG list, but was gonna hit PS1 at the same time as I know it will take much longer.

    Kiss ass collection though, I'd personally get all those damn stickers off the cases though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skelix View Post
    Mentioning the PS1 list, is it still in the threads someplace? I've searched numerous times. Do we have a complete, detailed list like for PS2? I'm too working on my PS2 RPG list, but was gonna hit PS1 at the same time as I know it will take much longer.

    Kiss ass collection though, I'd personally get all those damn stickers off the cases though
    Do a search for threads started by Daria in Classic Gaming and it should be near the top. I think there were a few borderline games she missed, but those were all discussed in the thread as well, so it's a pretty perfect resource. And expensive as hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skelix View Post
    Mentioning the PS1 list, is it still in the threads someplace? I've searched numerous times. Do we have a complete, detailed list like for PS2? I'm too working on my PS2 RPG list, but was gonna hit PS1 at the same time as I know it will take much longer.
    I have a list which someone posted in a DP thread a long time ago from the Official PlayStation Mag from 2003. I can cut and paste it if you're interested.

    Kiss ass collection though, I'd personally get all those damn stickers off the cases though
    There are no stickers on opened cases. I'm as finicky as you can get. If you see stickers they are on the shrinkwrap because the game is still sealed. Around 70% of the games are sealed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carlcarlson View Post
    Do a search for threads started by Daria in Classic Gaming and it should be near the top. I think there were a few borderline games she missed, but those were all discussed in the thread as well, so it's a pretty perfect resource. And expensive as hell.
    Yep, good advice.

    I still don't have Suikoden II. Even three years ago I didn't want to pay $70 for it. I have around 50 PS1 RPGS, but still missing important ones like Thousand Arms, Persona Revelations, and Kartia.

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    Here is a list of PS1 RPGs.

    Complete Alphabetical List of RPGs for the PS1 (US Releases)

    (as listed and rated in the the Official PlayStation Magazine, April 2002)

    Alundra ****
    Alundra 2 ***
    Arc the Lad Collection ****
    Azure Dreams ***
    Battle Hunter *1/2
    Beyond the Beyond - Not Rated
    Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain - Not Rated
    Brave Fencer Musashi ****
    Breath of Fire III ***
    Breath of Fire IV ***
    Brigandine ***
    Chocobo's Dungeon 2 **
    Chrono Chross *****
    Darkstone ***
    Diablo ****
    Digimon World *1/2
    Digimon World 2 **
    Dragon Warrior VII ****
    Dragon Valor ***
    Dragonseeds **
    Eternal Eyes *1/2
    Final Fantasy VII *****
    Final Fantasy VIII *****
    Final Fantasy IX *****
    Final Fantasy Anthology ****
    Final Fantasy Chronicles ****
    Final Fantasy Origins (added!)
    Final Fantasy Tactics ****
    Front Mission 3 ****
    Grandia ****
    Granstream Saga ***
    Guardian's Crusade ***
    Harvest Moon: Back to Nature ***
    Hoshigami: Ruining Blue Earth **
    Jade Cocoon ***
    Kartia ****
    King's Field - Not Rated
    King's Field 2 - Not Rated
    Koudelka ***
    Legend of Dragoon ****
    Legend of Legaia ****
    Legend of Mana **
    Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete ****
    Lunar 2: Eternal Blue Complete ****
    Master of Monsters - Not Rated
    Monkey Hero **
    Monster Rancher - Not Rated
    Monster Rancher 2 ****
    Monster Seed - Not Rated
    Ogre Battle Limited Edition - Not Rated
    Parasite Eve ****
    Parasite Eve 2 ****
    Persona - Not Rated
    Persona 2 ****
    Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure ***
    RPG Maker ****
    Saga Frontier ***
    Saga Frontier 2 ***
    Saiyuki: Journey West ***
    Shadow Madness **
    Shadow Tower
    Star Ocean: Second Story ****
    Suikoden - Not Rated
    Suikoden II ****
    Tactics Ogre ***
    Tail of the Sun - Not Rated
    Tales of Destiny ****
    Tales of Destiny 2 ***
    Thousand Arms ****
    Threads of Fate ***
    Torneko: The Last Hope **
    Vagrant Story ***
    Valkyrie Profile ****
    Vandal Hearts - Not Rated
    Vandal Hearts 2 ***
    Vanguard Bandits **
    Wild Arms - Not Rated
    Wild Arms 2 ***1/2
    Xenogears ****

    TOTAL NUMBER: 79



    HERE ARE THE SAME GAMES LISTED ABOVE ORDERED BY GENRE AND OTHER CATEGORIES

    PS1 Role Playing Games

    (With ratings and listed by categories as reviewed in the Official Playstation Magazine, April 2002)


    15 Must-Play RPGs:

    Chrono Chross *****
    Dragon Warrior VII ****1/2
    Final Fantasy VII *****
    Fintal Fantasy VIII *****
    Final Fantasy IX *****
    Final Fantasy Tactics ****
    Front Mission 3 ****1/2
    Grandia ****1/2
    Legend of Dragoon ****1/2
    Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete ****1/2
    Star Ocean: Second Story ****1/2
    Suikoden - Not Rated
    Vagrant Story ***1/2
    Valkyrie Profile ****
    Xenogears ****

    Breeding RPGs:

    Digimon World 2 **
    Dragonseeds **
    Jade Cocoon ***1/2
    Monster Seed - Not Rated
    Monster Rancher - Not Rated
    Monster Rancher 2 ****

    Something Different:

    Harvest Moon: Back to Nature ***1/2
    Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure ***
    Tail of the Sun - Not Rated
    Thousand Arms ****

    On Its Own:

    RPG Maker ****1/2


    Retro Redux:

    Final Fantasy Anthology ****1/2
    Final Fantasy Chronicles ****
    Final Fantasy Origins (added!)
    Lunar 2: Eternal Blue Complete ****
    Ogre Battle Limited Edition - Not Rated
    Tactics Ogre ***1/2

    Strategy RPGs:

    Arc the Lad Collection ****
    Brigandine ***1/2
    Hoshigami: Ruining Blue Earth **1/2
    Kartia ****
    Master of Monsters - Not Rated
    Saiyuki: Journey West ***1/2
    Vandal Hearts - Not Rated
    Vandal Hearts 2 ***1/2
    Vanguard Bandits **1/2

    Action RPGs:

    Alundra ****1/2
    Alundra 2 ***
    Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain - Not Rated
    Brave Fencer Musashi ****
    Chocobo's Dungeon 2 **1/2
    Darkstone ***1/2
    Diablo ****
    Dragon Valor ***
    Parasite Eve 2 ****1/2
    Monkey Hero **
    Threads of Fate ***1/2
    Torneko: The Last Hope **

    Traditional RPGs:

    Azure Dreams ***
    Breath of Fire III ***1/2
    Breath of Fire IV ***1/2
    Granstream Saga ***
    Guardian's Crusade ***
    King's Field - Not Rated
    King's Field 2 - Not Rated Koudelka ***
    Legend of Legaia ****
    Legend of Mana **1/2
    Parasite Eve ****
    Persona - Not Rated
    Persona 2 ****
    Saga Frontier ***1/2
    Saga Frontier 2 ***1/2
    Shadow Madness **1/2
    Suikoden II ****
    Tales of Destiny ****
    Tales of Destiny 2 ***1/2
    Wild Arms - Not Rated
    Wild Arms 2 ***1/2

    5 Worst RPGs:

    Battle Hunter *1/2
    Beyond the Beyond - Not Rated
    Digimon World *1/2
    Eternal Eyes *1/2
    Shadow Tower


    Total number: 79

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    Quote Originally Posted by lendelin View Post
    To all of you who suggested additions or removals: the list is by no means a papal list, just as inclusionary as possible.

    I think at a time when the genre bending hit a peak, borderline cases are aplenty. Lots of games mentioned are in the borderline category anyway. The Drakengards? Certainly border-borderline. GrimGrimoire, certainly a RTS with a strong RPG feel, therefore it is in the borderline category as well.

    I think we could agree on 90% of the games in the list, the remaining games are up to individual tastes. For some it is 'Graffiti Kingdom and Magic Pengel out, and Shadow of the Colossus and Gauntlet in.' In the end we can only say that there is noc such thing as a "truly" complete list of a genre, just that you completed the collection you made up for yourself regarding the remaining ten percent.
    No doubt genre definitions are fuzzy. The whole concept of genres tends to be vague anyway because only the most "standard" games define them. We know Super Mario Bros. is an action platformer. We know Street Fighter II is a fighting game. But what about GrimGrimiore? It's essentially the same thing as Command & Conquer...but instead of Russians and tanks it's elves and sorcery. Then you get people who consider Castlevania: Symphony of the Night an RPG despite it being point for point Super Metroid with leveling up.

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    Cool collection.

    Ill take it off yer hands.
    Hows 2$ shipped sound?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sothy View Post
    Cool collection.

    Ill take it off yer hands.
    Hows 2$ shipped sound?
    That's outrageous. How cheap can you get? I want a fair price, my friend. You can have them for $4.99, PLUS $5 shipping, no cent more, no cent less. Deal?

    ...and you thought I don't know the prices for games, think again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyTheTiger View Post
    Then you get people who consider Castlevania: Symphony of the Night an RPG despite it being point for point Super Metroid with leveling up.
    Considering "leveling up" is one of the main points of a console RPG (scroll down to "Definition and confusion"), I'd say that sounds right. Afterall, Ys (an RPG) is basically Legend of Zelda (an action adventure) with leveling up. Most people seem to place more emphasis on a game having a fantasy setting than on any specific gameplay bits, which is why stuff like Legend of Zelda and Drakan get lumped into these collections.

    ...and what's up with Future Tactics, which isn't even remotely close to anything resembling an RPG (turn based tactical shooter)? I mean, at least with Deus Ex there's the argument that if King's Field qualifies then something with more depth very well ought to qualify, but the only link Future Tactics has to any of the other games on the list is its title.

    tl;dr - You need to start cracking the plastic open on some of these and start playing them. Plus you need Deus Ex.

    Quote Originally Posted by lendelin View Post
    That's outrageous. How cheap can you get? I want a fair price, my friend. You can have them for $4.99, PLUS $5 shipping, no cent more, no cent less. Deal?

    ...and you thought I don't know the prices for games, think again.
    For $5 shipping, it damn well had better not come in a bubble wrap envelope or else I'm leaving negative feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roushimsx View Post
    For $5 shipping, it damn well had better not come in a bubble wrap envelope or else I'm leaving negative feedback.
    What is this talk about bubble wrap envelope? I assumed Sothy wanted the pics.

    I'll send them the pics in an email, and he sends $9.99 to my PayPal account.

    Isn't that a fair and great deal for our Sothy? I do it from the goodness of my heart, he can thank me later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heybtbm View Post
    Thanks for clearing that up. I was wondering why I typed those words and hit "submit".

    No I meant to remind you not to be a DICK about things. If the guy collects games and has reached his goal he doesn't need someone like you to tell him its not impressive. Again nice collection lendelin
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    Quote Originally Posted by roushimsx View Post
    Considering "leveling up" is one of the main points of a console RPG (scroll down to "Definition and confusion"), I'd say that sounds right. Afterall, Ys (an RPG) is basically Legend of Zelda (an action adventure) with leveling up.
    A lot of people do conisider certain elements necessarily related to a genre. So character growth = RPG. The problem is, you end up getting really screwed up results when applying that. For instance, you gain experience in the World Tour mode of Street Fighter Alpha 3. So for every person saying Symphony of the Night is an RPG because of leveling up, how much of that logic carries over to Street Fighter? Maybe Alpha 3 itself is a fighting game but the World Tour Mode is an RPG? That just sounds absurd. What about Metroid and Zelda? If you think about it, the games are structured exactly the same. You build your character up the same way. You "quest" in the same way. But few people would put them in the same genre. Why? Because one has an isometric view and the other doesn't? I think genre definition is so vague that you just can't assign elements as being necessarily related to anything. You just have to "feel it out" in a way.

    Quote Originally Posted by roushimsx View Post
    Most people seem to place more emphasis on a game having a fantasy setting than on any specific gameplay bits, which is why stuff like Legend of Zelda and Drakan get lumped into these collections.
    See, I find that strange since it's obviously not always the case. The whole fantasy=RPG thing is a vestigial remnant back when everything was inspired by Dungeons & Dragons.

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    Thanks for the list, in your first post you were calling it Darias' List so I thought the members name was Darias



    edit: Could have sword you put Darias' I must be seeing things. Sweet I can start working on some PS1 titles too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skelix View Post
    Thanks for the list, in your first post you were calling it Darias' List so I thought the members name was Darias



    edit: Could have sword you put Darias' I must be seeing things. Sweet I can start working on some PS1 titles too!
    You didn't see things...I corrected it later, the apostroph was in the wrong place. English isn't my native language, and when I'm typing like the devil I make lots of mistakes.

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    tail of the sun is not in any way shape or form an RPG.

    Its a damn good Caveman running at full speed then falling asleep and rolling down a hillside simulator... but not an rpg.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyTheTiger View Post
    For instance, you gain experience in the World Tour mode of Street Fighter Alpha 3.
    You're taking what I said out of context and limiting your view to assuming that I meant that the leveling up / experience points / stats are the sole point instead of one of the main points. World Tour Mode is a nice bonus feature with RPG elements, though Ehrgeiz and Tobal no 2 had dungeon crawler bonus features as well... would you call those RPGs? Hell to the no. The mode itself might be RPGish, but it's not like it's the main game. It's like calling Knights of the Old Republic a gambling game, Kingdom Hearts an on rails shooter, or Mario & Luigi's Superstar Saga a puzzle game based solely on the minigames included.

    Quote Originally Posted by TonytheTiger View Post
    Why? Because one has an isometric view and the other doesn't?
    All Metroid and Zelda games (with the exception of the second!) are action adventure titles. It's not because of the viewpoint but because of the structure AND the inclusion of a leveling system. You know, like Ys III, Faxanadu or Symphony of the Night.

    If you think that's silly, imagine how pen and paper players feel about computer RPGs (where there's not always a lot in the way of role playing) or how computer RPG fans feel about console RPGs (which are often extremely linear games with leveling mechanics...a far cry from any actual "role playing"). The only real constants (that I can think of, anyway) have been the leveling and the questing (or missions). As long as you have those two, then you've at least got some basis for calling a game an RPG. The definition of RPG isn't broad enough to cover all of the games in the collection but it's specific enough to cover games that aren't included

    Hell, if there was a bit more consistency then it wouldn't be as much of a problem. Include From Software's first person rpgs but not Ion Storm Austin's? Include Future Tactics but not Ring of Red? No Grand Theft Auto San Andreas in the collection? Heroes of Might and Magic but no Daisenryaku VII Exceed? Why isn't Puzzle Quest included? With the inclusion of Everquest Online Adventures, you're pretty much stuck with requiring Final Fantasy XI, so you can't really call the collection complete without those, too.

    I do agree that it helps to actually play games to determine if they're RPGs or not. It's quite possible that a reviewer or a friend will just label a game (like Ocarina of Time!) an RPG and you'll never know the better until you play it and realize that while it might be a great action adventure, but it's not quite an RPG. No amount of research on a title beats firing the fucker up and sitting down with it for a while.

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    lendelin, Chaos Wars is another rpg coming out hopefully in march.

    http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/data/934027.html

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    Kudos to you! I attempted to complete my PSone RPG collection but it came to a quick hault. After I complete my genesis collection I may take a break from Sega, you inspired me :P
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    *drools*

    very nice job!
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