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    i was looking through games tm ( a uk gaming magazine) and noticed some interested amiga cd32 games... so i went on ebay and noticed that the console itself isnt too expensive (around 100 bucks) however i couldnt find a single game listed.

    what games does this system play?

    where can i get these games?

    does it play disk based amiga games?

    the consoles are all ntsc, are there region protected games? are there pal games?

    is this a consolized version of the commadore amiga pc system?

    thanks for info!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poofta! View Post
    i was looking through games tm ( a uk gaming magazine) and noticed some interested amiga cd32 games... so i went on ebay and noticed that the console itself isnt too expensive (around 100 bucks) however i couldnt find a single game listed.

    what games does this system play?

    where can i get these games?

    does it play disk based amiga games?

    the consoles are all ntsc, are there region protected games? are there pal games?

    is this a consolized version of the commadore amiga pc system?

    thanks for info!
    I'll try and answer some of your questions.

    The system obviously plays CD32 games. It can also play quite a few CDTV games. I've also heard of people making compilation discs with hundreds of Amiga games. The CDTV compatibility is sort of a let down as the only 2 A+ games on the CDTV (Turrican and Turrican 2) are not compatible with it.

    You can get these games off ebay. Also stores like www.softhut.com and others stock quite a few titles.

    I don't know if it plays disc games but I know the CDTV could.

    The way I understand it, the system really took off in Europe. So most of the games are PAL. However, if you use a RGB monitor they should work. Some of the games need a RAM upgrade, however to improve performance.

    It is a console vision of the Amiga 1200 I believe.

    It's generally a nice system. Unfortunately quite a few developers were lazy and what you end up getting are basically floppy versions of Amiga 1200 games. The most unforgivable being the port of Syndicate.
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    thanks a lot for the quick reply, im still a little hazy... i havent found a single cd32 game on ebay.

    so, as i understand this, it is a consolized version of a computer amiga 1200 desktop?

    would it be better to get an amiga 1200 then? does the 1200 play cd32 games?

    whats a cdtv.


    i have a lot of questions as im pretty much totally unfamiliar with the Amiga(s). so if there is a place to go read about this, please let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poofta! View Post
    thanks a lot for the quick reply, im still a little hazy... i havent found a single cd32 game on ebay.

    so, as i understand this, it is a consolized version of a computer amiga 1200 desktop?

    would it be better to get an amiga 1200 then? does the 1200 play cd32 games?

    whats a cdtv.
    Actually if you go on e-bay now and search, 'Commodore cd32' you will see quite a few games.

    Yes, the CD32 is mostly a 1200. However, you do have to buy a specific cd-rom plus appropriate RAM I believe for it to work on a 1200. I'd stick with a CD32 for simplicity and the cool factor.

    The CDTV is basically a consolized version of the Amiga 500. Very few good games on it. Even fewer of those games actually take advantage of the CD-ROM.
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    onto the answers!

    what games does this system play?

    it plays naturally cd-32 software, quite a bit of cdtv titles, audio cd's and video cd movies(with an fmv add-on), it also plays floppy disks like a real amiga computer(it requires a speciall add-on such as sx-1, promodule, etc...),

    where can i get these games?

    from internet auctions/collectors, I have quite a selection of games so if you're interested I might sell some to you ^_~

    does it play disk based amiga games?

    with special add-on, yes.

    the consoles are all ntsc, are there region protected games? are there pal games?

    games aren't region protected, some of the games are in pal, there is an option to boot system either in pal or ntsc mode before playing it.

    is this a consolized version of the commadore amiga pc system?

    this is a amiga based system(console version), it is basically an Amiga 1200 with Akiko chip(chip never took off as a special improvement but some games such as wing commander did use it), think of it as a Amiga 1200 with internal cd-rom but without floppy drive, games are really great, for the most part they do contain extra features such as audio tracks, fmv(full motion videos) and extra levels.

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    i actually can only see like 4 games on ebay when i searched Commodore cd32... am i doing something wrong? those games are all under teh ebay stores logo too.

    quick question: i have an lcd tv 1080p... i live in north america so everything i ever hooked up to it was ntsc, anyone know if it would take a pal signal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poofta! View Post
    does it play disk based amiga games?
    Yes, but the CD32 doesn't have a build-in floppy drive, nor does it have a port for one. There are a few add-ons for the system that provide this port (along with many others), but these add-ons are very expensive, to the point of making the whole thing far more expensive than just buying an Amiga 1200.

    the consoles are all ntsc, are there region protected games? are there pal games?
    NTSC games are extremely hard to find, and finding out if a game is NTSC or not is almost impossible (it's not written on the spine or anything). So, if you want to get into the CD32 scene, you HAVE to be able to handle PAL video. There is a way to switch between PAL and NTSC mode, but an important thing to note is that a PAL system will ALWAYS output PAL colours (which will probably be black and white on an NTSC TV), and an NTSC system will ALWAYS output NTSC colours. Even though the menu option may say NTSC/PAL, it's really just a 60Hz/50Hz switch. Don't let anyone feed you some BS about hooking the system up in S-Video to get colour or anything like that... trust me, it won't work. If you mod the system for RGB (or use one of those expensive add-ons which have an RGB port), you can supposedly get around this colour problem, but I haven't tried it myself.

    A lot of PAL games will still work in NTSC mode, but sometimes there will be about an inch of the screen missing from the bottom. Depending on the game, this may make things difficult (Project X) or completely impossible (Nick Faldo's Golf). Other games will get severe graphical glitches, which may make the game impossible to play (Disposable Hero, Super Skidmarks, etc). Some games will refuse to boot at all (Bubba 'n Stix, Alien Breed, etc). Many games will happily display their title screen and menus, and then mysteriously crash when the game starts (Alfred Chicken, Universe, Dragonstone, etc).

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    thanks a lot for the quick reply, im still a little hazy... i havent found a single cd32 game on ebay.
    The CD32 died hard in North America (and by some accounts, may have never actually been released), so finding stuff in the States is next to impossible. You'll have to be prepared to buy stuff from Europeans, but there's always some stuff on there, you just have to click on "Worldwide" to see them.

    would it be better to get an amiga 1200 then? does the 1200 play cd32 games?
    That really depends on what you want from the system. The main appeal of the CD32 (such as it is), is that you can play Amiga games in a console setting. If you don't mind going the computer route, the Amiga 1200 may be a better choice. Aside from a handful of games, every CD32 game was also released in disk form for play on "normal" Amiga's. In fact, most of the games were originally made in disk form and then ported to the CD32 with some enhancements like CD-Audio, FMV, etc... then again, many games didn't get ANY enhancements at all, so you're usually not missing out on much.

    Playing most CD32 games on an Amiga 1200 *IS* possible, but honestly, it's more trouble than it's worth. Don't even bother.

    It's worth pointing out that there are TONS of great games on the Amiga that never got ported to the CD32. If you can find a good Amiga 1200 with a hard drive and some extra RAM, install WHDLoad on it, and you'll have yourself a pretty fun little system.

    whats a cdtv.
    It was an earlier system released by Commodore. It was meant to be more of a multimedia system like the CD-i. It looks a bit like a VCR, and was based on the earlier Amiga 500 hardware. It was a miserable failure, and most of the software was nothing of any interest (lots of kiddy titles and garbage multimedia collections), but it did get some games like Lemmings, Turrican, Xenon 2, SimCity, Battle Chess, and others. The CD32 can play most of these. CDTV stuff seems to be harder to find than CD32 stuff though, so this probably won't be a big incentive.

    i have a lot of questions as im pretty much totally unfamiliar with the Amiga(s). so if there is a place to go read about this, please let me know.
    Well, the usual places are good starts... Wikipedia has tons of info of course. There are a few people around here who know a lot about Amiga stuff if you have questions. The best Amiga forum I've managed to find is "English Amiga Board".

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    I've been thinking about picking up a CD32, but what's the best way for someone in NTSC-land to play all the PAL games?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobius View Post
    I've been thinking about picking up a CD32, but what's the best way for someone in NTSC-land to play all the PAL games?
    I just have a Commodore 1084S monitor and it works fine. You also need a mouse to put the CD32 into the video standard select mode. You should be able to get a 1084S in good shape relatively cheap off Ebay, the Amiga forums or Craigslist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bojay1997 View Post
    I just have a Commodore 1084S monitor and it works fine. You also need a mouse to put the CD32 into the video standard select mode. You should be able to get a 1084S in good shape relatively cheap off Ebay, the Amiga forums or Craigslist.
    yes, those monitors are the most popular and everything will be displayed as it should(s stands for stereo - built in speakers).
    and other old school systems played on it will look great.
    about the pal/ntsc switch mode, there was actually time when I was doing it with regular cd-32 joypad plugged in, in the second port(by making "circles" on it hehe), but mouse is the best and proper way to do it.

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    Nobody's talking about the actual games. The machine came with Microcosm, I think, which is an FMV-based shooter taking place inside the human body. It's quite creepy, but otherwise underwhelming. The game that all the US magazines talked about was D/Generation, which I've played for the PC and it is really quite cool. It's a really fun game with a cool soundtrack and a nice ambience. If you get one be sure and try that game.

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    Ze_ro, thanks a LOT for your info. really, really informative.

    *how* expensive are these floppy expansions to the cd32? (as well as the RGB) ?

    lets say i do get a 1200, i dont mind going through the trouble of getting cd32 to work on it, i heard all i need is some ram and a cd drive -- anything else?


    i have a 1080p LCD TV, im not sure if it accepts PAL (honestly i thought the whole idea of pal/ntsc was irrelevant w/ hdtv technology) i never hooked up a PAL source to it... does anyone know if i can, or how it will look?

    so, my understanding is that lets say most games are PAL, but they will run on an NTSC console no [problem, as long as i use a mouse to switch output mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham Mitchell View Post
    Nobody's talking about the actual games. The machine came with Microcosm, I think, which is an FMV-based shooter taking place inside the human body. It's quite creepy, but otherwise underwhelming. The game that all the US magazines talked about was D/Generation, which I've played for the PC and it is really quite cool. It's a really fun game with a cool soundtrack and a nice ambience. If you get one be sure and try that game.
    im not really asking any questions about games, and frankly it doesnt matter. whats important is how to get the hardware working here in the US and the type of software it will play.

    i know the games library pretty well, as its essentially a DOS port box with some other exclusives which were similar to DOS games at the time, all that will come later, im pretty sure ill buy games indiscriminately as long as they fun to me.

    i had microcosm for the pc back in the day, it was poop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poofta! View Post
    im not really asking any questions about games, and frankly it doesnt matter. whats important is how to get the hardware working here in the US and the type of software it will play.

    i know the games library pretty well, as its essentially a DOS port box with some other exclusives which were similar to DOS games at the time, all that will come later, im pretty sure ill buy games indiscriminately as long as they fun to me.

    i had microcosm for the pc back in the day, it was poop.
    It's not a DOS port box whatever that means. I suppose you could call it an Amiga port box, but only a small percentage of the games were ported to the PC and always in inferior versions. I'm starting to suspect that this was just a troll post as you apparently had no ability to check Ebay and no ability to do a simple Google search which would have yielded all the info you needed in like 30 seconds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poofta! View Post
    im not really asking any questions about games, and frankly it doesnt matter. whats important is how to get the hardware working here in the US and the type of software it will play.

    i know the games library pretty well, as its essentially a DOS port box with some other exclusives which were similar to DOS games at the time, all that will come later, im pretty sure ill buy games indiscriminately as long as they fun to me.

    i had microcosm for the pc back in the day, it was poop.
    lol, back in the day games were ported from Amiga to Pc, those conversions were quite disappointing when compared to Amiga originals.
    there were many exclusives on Amiga you couldn't find anywhere else and they hold up extremely well.
    it is by all means no dos port box.

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    ok my mistake... nevertheless, like i said, ill deal with games later.

    just to reiterate my last post before it got off-topic:

    ""Ze_ro, thanks a LOT for your info. really, really informative.

    *how* expensive are these floppy expansions to the cd32? (as well as the RGB) ?

    lets say i do get a 1200, i dont mind going through the trouble of getting cd32 to work on it, i heard all i need is some ram and a cd drive -- anything else?


    i have a 1080p LCD TV, im not sure if it accepts PAL (honestly i thought the whole idea of pal/ntsc was irrelevant w/ hdtv technology) i never hooked up a PAL source to it... does anyone know if i can, or how it will look?

    so, my understanding is that lets say most games are PAL, but they will run on an NTSC console no [problem, as long as i use a mouse to switch output mode.""

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    hmmm...for a minute i was excited about the possibility of a consolized Amiga. i have Amiga 500 and a CD32 on its way (i hope). sitting in front of a small PC monitor and gameing has really fallen out of favor with me lately and i was hopeing with the cd32 expansion and a external floppy i could set something up to play my amiga 500 games in the bedroom on my big screen TV through S-video and with an acual controller.

    looking on ebay external Amiga floppies seem to be in the 25-40 doller range

    can't seem to find any of the add on ports for the CD32 so i'll have to assume they are rare and insanely expensive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soviet Conscript View Post
    hmmm...for a minute i was excited about the possibility of a consolized Amiga. i have Amiga 500 and a CD32 on its way (i hope). sitting in front of a small PC monitor and gameing has really fallen out of favor with me lately and i was hopeing with the cd32 expansion and a external floppy i could set something up to play my amiga 500 games in the bedroom on my big screen TV through S-video and with an acual controller.

    looking on ebay external Amiga floppies seem to be in the 25-40 doller range

    can't seem to find any of the add on ports for the CD32 so i'll have to assume they are rare and insanely expensive
    You need to not limit yourself to Ebay. Spend a little time getting to know folks over at the Amiga forums (Amiga.org is a good place to start) and I guarantee you will find someone selling an SX-1 in relatively short order for a reasonable price. The expansion boxes with accelerators and extra RAM are more expensive, but not necessary since very few games ever took advantage of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bojay1997 View Post
    You need to not limit yourself to Ebay. Spend a little time getting to know folks over at the Amiga forums (Amiga.org is a good place to start) and I guarantee you will find someone selling an SX-1 in relatively short order for a reasonable price. The expansion boxes with accelerators and extra RAM are more expensive, but not necessary since very few games ever took advantage of them.
    sx-1 is the floppy expansion? how much does that go for ? gimme a range.

    how about an RGB expansion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poofta! View Post
    sx-1 is the floppy expansion? how much does that go for ? gimme a range.

    how about an RGB expansion.
    no, the sx-1 is an add on that lets you add a external floppy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soviet Conscript View Post
    no, the sx-1 is an add on that lets you add a external floppy.
    Correct. The SX-1 provides the following capabilities:

    IBM-PC AT keyboard port.
    9-pin serial port.
    Amiga standard parallel port.
    Amiga standard RGB port.
    Amiga standard floppy drive (use an external drive as DF0:. For more
    drives, daisy chain them from the first one).
    2.5" internal IDE connector (drive fits inside the SX-1).
    3.5" external IDE connector.
    SIMM socket for up to 8 meg additional RAM (restricted to 4 meg if
    you intend to use the FMV cartridge too).
    Audio input (karaoke).
    Internal battery backed clock.
    Pass through connector (for other devices, eg. FMV cartridge).

    You are looking at $50-$150 depending on the seller. Often, they come bundled with a CD32 and a drive which puts the total price at $200-$250.

    In reality, you can get away with just buying an Amiga 1200 if you plan on running games off floppy. 95% of Amiga games are on floppy anyway. Some of the later stuff came out on CD-Rom, but it's not enough to justify buying a CD-Rom drive for an Amiga 1200.
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    Furthermore, if floppies aren't your thing, getting a A1200 with an 030 expansion with a few extra megs of fast ram and hard drive will allow you to run WHDLoad (www.whdload.de) - hard drive installable games. My 4000T is loaded with slave files for quick Amiga gaming.

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    yes, in this day and age floppies are rather uncomfortable to use, whdload is the way to go(fantastic application), $30 for registration and you're ready to get your favorites onto the hard drive and never have to worry about floppy getting corrupted.
    the same thing is possible on Amiga cd-32 with an sx-1 expansion(with hard drive in it naturally).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bojay1997 View Post
    Correct. The SX-1 provides the following capabilities:

    IBM-PC AT keyboard port.
    9-pin serial port.
    Amiga standard parallel port.
    Amiga standard RGB port.
    Amiga standard floppy drive (use an external drive as DF0:. For more
    drives, daisy chain them from the first one).
    2.5" internal IDE connector (drive fits inside the SX-1).
    3.5" external IDE connector.
    SIMM socket for up to 8 meg additional RAM (restricted to 4 meg if
    you intend to use the FMV cartridge too).
    Audio input (karaoke).
    Internal battery backed clock.
    Pass through connector (for other devices, eg. FMV cartridge).

    You are looking at $50-$150 depending on the seller. Often, they come bundled with a CD32 and a drive which puts the total price at $200-$250.

    In reality, you can get away with just buying an Amiga 1200 if you plan on running games off floppy. 95% of Amiga games are on floppy anyway. Some of the later stuff came out on CD-Rom, but it's not enough to justify buying a CD-Rom drive for an Amiga 1200.



    Bo, thanks for a great response! very informative.

    i was asking about the 1200 cd drive so i could play cd32 games. basically i want one amiga hardware to play as much of all other amiga software possible (whether i should get cd32 on 1200 or 1200 on cd32 is pretty much what im asking about).


    any info on how i can hook up a cd32 to dvi or vga? (or component)

    and anyone have an answer about the PAL on 1080p LCD televisions? if not ill make a thread about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poofta! View Post
    Bo, thanks for a great response! very informative.

    i was asking about the 1200 cd drive so i could play cd32 games. basically i want one amiga hardware to play as much of all other amiga software possible (whether i should get cd32 on 1200 or 1200 on cd32 is pretty much what im asking about).
    was the bulk of Amiga games made for the 500 model? and if so i heard there was compatability problems playing games ment for thr 500 on a 1200. how bad is the compatability problem?

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