http://videogames.yahoo.com/feature/...an-war/1231745
it sounds kinda of far fetched to blame Sony I think. Did Microsoft pay to have this article made?
PS2 incites African War?
http://videogames.yahoo.com/feature/...an-war/1231745
it sounds kinda of far fetched to blame Sony I think. Did Microsoft pay to have this article made?
I read that earlier today. Since it sounds like alot of electronics actually use parts made with that stuff I find it odd that Sony is the only name really mentioned in the article. I know the PS2 sold alot but I'm sure there are more CD-players, computers, etc out there that use parts made out of coltan.
Well, I guess I'm selling my ps2 on the African ebay.
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Even though, I'm not the biggest Sony fan out there, It is completely ridiculous to blame them for this none sense BS......Tantalum has been used in billions and billions of electronic devices since way back before the PS2 was even think of.....
Tantalum capacitors among others are great and required for several purposes....
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All things considered, it's a plausible story. Nothing about it screams sensationalist to me outside of singling out the Playstation. There are rare metals. Or at least rare enough to give them some value. Platinum, anyone? Even gold and silver are a wee bit higher than bargain bin prices. So the idea that a metal needed for constructing electronic components causes the price of that metal to soar thereby inciting violence in a place like the Congo is a pretty believable story. Of course that begs a question. What do you do about it?
Do you start mass boycotting electronics? Perhaps. That might eventually cause manufacturers to find alternatives. But that's like cutting off a wart. It's just going to grow back because the infection is deeper in the skin. Even if Sony did stop using that metal, it won't do much to solve the real problem because the people in that area of Africa will look for anything to fight over. They'd kill over peanut butter if it's price went up. So where do you start if your goal is to stop the violence?
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I have some serious issues with what happened in the Second Congolese War, which was largely funded by the illegal mineral trade. Most western countries turned a blind eye as they got their minerals for cheap (and yes, tantalum was one of the main things). Over 5 million people died in that war, which ended in 2003, but its effects still linger. In fact, I still think there should be a boycott of minerals from Congo until things are more stable. I recently quit my job, because there was a very good chance I would have had to go there to do geophysics, and I refuse to go there.
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The PS2 name dropping in the title is evident of society's long list of "What to blame video games on".
While they're at it why not spin these titles:
"Sonic Games Leading Cause for Obesity in America"
"Lunatic Shoots JFK After Playing 72 Hours on Halo"
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The difference is that none of those stories are true. The connection between Sonic and obesity or Halo and the JFK shooting is nil. Whereas in this story it's probably accurate. The Playstation probably does require that metal. And the price of that metal probably did increase. And that price increase probably did lead to violence. The story isn't necessarily sensationalist. It's just unfairly singling out the Playstation brand. I'd imagine TV sets, DVD players and other game consoles require the same material. But just because they're pointing the finger at one participant instead of all doesn't make it a bullshit story.
The irony is that if the story went something like "Electronics incite warfare in Africa" then it would sound even more sensationalist because of the universal nature of the topic. The problem is that even if the Playstation is a major contributor to the price increase and thus vicariously connected to the violence, what does that mean? That Sony is evil for selling an electronic device? That we are evil for buying it? That we should stop buying anything made with that metal?
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Playing with the facts to make a statement like this article obviously does? That is the very nature of sensationalist journalism and is very much bullshit. The writer is obviously attempting to play on the emotions of the reader rather than appeal to their rationale. All the actual good they may have done was betrayed and wasted by the writer when they decided to go this route and 'make a splash'.
In order for one to benefit one must suffer? Yeah, greed breeds suffering, that's life. It's like pinning the global poverty issue squarely on Bill Gates... it's complete crap.
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No, no. I'm not saying that the end goal of the report (whatever that may be) is something to jump into head first. But the sheer facts themselves don't have to be bullshit. Playstations require the metal. The metal is a source of violence. Where's the bullshit? If something is true then it's true. You can't start denying facts because they aren't exactly fun and happy.
Frankly, though, I think that even if this metal weren't being used the people over there would find something else to kill over. Maybe next year we'll read a story that talks about how rubber bands cause death and destruction. The real issue is how far we take the but-for logic. After a while, you have to stop somewhere and just say "Yeah, it's fucked up. But we can't start laying the blame on Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo/Toshiba/Samsung/etc. because they sell electronics."
So if the article is just reporting a fact, then no bullshit there. If it's suggesting that we stop buying anything electronic in hopes of stopping the violence...well...that probably won't happen nor would it do much good considering they'd fight over a lump of shit in that region of the world.
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