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    I want to first start this post with the fact that I own a PS3 20 gig and love it. I just recently noticed that the the "new" PS3 80GB will not be backwards compatible with PS2 games at all. What the heck? Is Sony that stupid? Does this mean that all new PS3s wont be able to play PS2 games at all? From a business standpoint, to alienate the 140 million console users that bought the PS2 by not allowing backwards compatibility on the upgraded system is pretty lame. The days of not having backwards compatibility are over. To not even have software emulation available for the PS2 on the new system will definitely get people talking. The ironic thing about the PS3 as the "everything machine" that plays Blu-Ray, DVD, CD, surf the net, attach a keyboard is missing one very big advantage...playing the games that helped it get there in the first place.


    Sony...you have stupid monkeys coming up with your strategy to win back owners.


    I apologize for the rant, I am actually a big Sony fan, that is just frustrated on how they are marketing the PS3. People are going to be confused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swlovinist View Post
    I want to first start this post with the fact that I own a PS3 20 gig and love it. I love SONY I just recently noticed that the the "new" PS3 80GB will not be backwards compatible with PS2 games at all. What the heck? Is Sony that stupid? Does this mean that all new PS3s wont be able to play PS2 games at all? From a business standpoint, to alienate the 140 million console users that bought the PS2 by not allowing backwards compatibility on the upgraded system is pretty lame. The days of not having backwards compatibility are over. To not even have software emulation available for the PS2 on the new system will definitely get people talking. The ironic thing about the PS3 as the "everything machine" that plays Blu-Ray, DVD, CD, surf the net, attach a keyboard is missing one very big advantage...playing the games that helped it get there in the first place.


    Sony...you have stupid monkeys coming up with your strategy to win back owners.


    I apologize for the rant, I am actually a big Sony fan, that is just frustrated on how they are marketing the PS3
    I understand what you are saying but if BC is so important to you that you have to make a thread about it then just hold on to your ps2? If you never had a ps2 just go on ebay and pick one up for around 40-60 bucks? When you think about it you actually save money by buying a ps2 and a 40GB ps3 versus buying one of the 80gb BC ps3's ( which now after reading your post they dont sell anymore).

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    I was just ranting for the millions of people out there that rare probably on the fence about getting the PS3 this holiday. The fact that there wont be a choice of any BC in the newer sytems is pretty lame. In a fierce heated battle over consumers, who if won over will invest their hard earned money into a console, this decision seems just plain retarded. Being an ex-retail gamestore employee/manager saying that it is easy to keep the old system hooked up does not work that well. People will be pissed and speak with their wallet.
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    Is this a new thing or are there already a few units out there like this in the U.S. market? My son's friend got a PS3 for his birthday last April and we bought him a new PS2 game to go along with it. His dad told me a couple of days later they couldn't get the game to work. It worked in my PS2 afterwards so I know it wasn't the disc. I've never laid hands on a PS3, including this one, so I haven't really had a chance to test this for myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pantechnicon View Post
    Is this a new thing or are there already a few units out there like this in the U.S. market? My son's friend got a PS3 for his birthday last April and we bought him a new PS2 game to go along with it. His dad told me a couple of days later they couldn't get the game to work. It worked in my PS2 afterwards so I know it wasn't the disc. I've never laid hands on a PS3, including this one, so I haven't really had a chance to test this for myself.
    The 40 GIG did not have any PS2 BC. The previous 80GB did by downloading software emu online.

    The new "80 GIG" will be the same as the 40GB. While it is stated on the box that it wont play PS2 games, people still wont get it.

    Your story is a perfect example of why people are going to be pissed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swlovinist View Post
    Your story is a perfect example of why people are going to be pissed.
    Indeed. The reason we got him a PS2 game (Spongebob: Atlantis Squarepantis) in the first place was because of the bigger catalog and to sort of point out to his parents that they didn't necessarily have to shell out $60 a game when there were plenty of fun PS2 titles for half or less that price. This is the kid's first game console anyway so he would have been none the wiser. However, on his last visit to our house he even said he liked our PS2 better than his own PS3, so that cat's out of the bag.

    I can tell you that this makes it considerably less likely that I'll be buying a PS3 in the foreseeable future.
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    It's been said before here, but I'll reiterate and attempt to expand on it.

    It's a cost cutting measure.

    The number one gripe that consumers had about the PS3 at launch was it's cost.

    Sony had Emotion Engine chips in there along with actual PS2 processors in the launch 20 and 60 gig units.

    PS2's still cost about $100 MSRP, and the cost of including that hardware in the PS3 was reflective.

    So, Sony took the hardware out and provided a less expensive model with emulated PS2, AND a MUCH less expensive unit with no backwards compatibility.

    Money is still lost on every PS3 sold globally, and Sony still sells millions and millions of PS2 units globally. It's not really a viable option to deter consumers from purchasing PS2 systems at this point in time.

    What Sony wants to do is get PS3 owners to focus on making purchases for their PS3 via PS3 games and on the PSN, AND get PS2 owners to continue to perpetuate that hardware/software market.

    And, there's always this to take into consideration - at SOME point, sales on PS2 hardware will slow, and software production will drop to a place where Sony is no longer concerned about maintaining it's shelf space in the marketplace.

    I'm guessing at that point we'll see PS2 compatibility return to PS3's (likely in some type of emulation).

    Until then, it's not like it's IMPOSSIBLE to find a PS2 compatible PS3. 80 gig units with BC are still out there at retail (The MGS4 pack most notably), and even if you CAN'T find one ... it's not like they only made them BC for an ultra-limited period. It's been about two years.

    As much as it sucks to see it go ... you snooze you lose.

    And for the record, ALL PS3s are PS1 backwards compatible, so it's ONLY PS2 BC that we're losing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie_Says_Relax View Post
    I'm guessing at that point we'll see PS2 compatibility return to PS3's (likely in some type of emulation).
    I'm sure we will too. Sony wants to make money from future downloadable PS2 titles (just like Microsoft is with the "Xbox Originals" on XBL). There is no doubt Sony is currently developing a near 100% compatible PS2 emulator to facilitate this.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie_Says_Relax View Post
    And for the record, ALL PS3s are PS1 backwards compatible, so it's ONLY PS2 BC that we're losing.
    Right, not big deal because John and Jane Doe can easily get PS1 games at:

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    Yeah, well, I hate Sony and it's crap like this why I'll keep playing my 360.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geneshifter View Post
    Yeah, well, I hate Sony and it's crap like this why I'll keep playing my 360.
    So, how's that full backwards compatibility on the 360 working out for you? Seriously now, every company does things that don't make sense...you just have to shake your head, and move on.
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    Fact - Sony is losing money on every PS3 sold
    Fact - Sony is making money on every PS2 sold

    Solution - Remove PS2 compatability so if people want to play PS2 games they'll have to buy a PS2, Sony makes money.

    I agree from a consumer standpoint it sucks nuts that Sony pulled BC out of the PS3, but if you people want Sony to stay in the race they need to make money somewhere in their games division.
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