Piracy

[ProgrammingAce]

I'm splitting this off from this thread: http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=126832

Real dick move. All he was doing was trying to help the dude out and this is how you repay a fellow DPer. WoW, arent you so cool? Dont you have anything better to do? I swear some people have no lives at all!

So what you're saying is, as long as someone belongs to the same forum that i do, i should be ok with him stealing from my company? If you want to run 2 copies of a game at the same time, you're legally required to buy two discs.

I don't care if you have a modded 360, hell i don't care if you pirate games, but if you're stupid enough to put it in writing on a public forum, then i'm going to have fun reporting you.

Honestly, i didn't report the dude and i have no intentions of doing so. My goal is to scare people into being afraid of openly discussing piracy. My paycheck comes directly as a result of preventing piracy.

I'm honestly surprised to see so many people here turn a blind eye to piracy.

[Icarus Moonsight]

There is anonymity ya know. You kinda rubbed his face in shit there over nothing. I understand you just wanted to make the guy squirm and make a spectacle out of it and maybe do some good and change a mind or two. But, what real good has come of it?

[carlcarlson]

I don't think as many people would have jumped on you if your initial post wasn't so snarky. I think most of us here would agree that piracy is wrong/dumb, myself included.

[neuropolitique]

I'm with Prog Ace. Bragging to someone that you stole their shit is dumb as fuck. Take yer medicine.

[ProgrammingAce]

There is anonymity ya know. You kinda rubbed his face in shit there over nothing.

Yeah, but see... it's not nothing. Even ignoring the legal issues, modding your system is what allows the fucktards on xbox live to cheat. Ever seen the guys in Gears of War who shoot a box full of rockets out of their shotgun? They're the ones with the modded consoles who think it's funny to screw with the files on the disc.

I've gotten fairly sick of running into people in Gears and CoD who are cheating. These days, i report every one of them for cheating. In a lot of cases, it's because the games themselves are a buggy pile of crap, but in some it's because they're tampering with the files on the discs.

Microsoft doesn't *allow* developers to do a consistency check against the disc contents. They tell the developers to leave the modders up to them. Since microsoft wants to be the ones to handle the problem, why shouldn't we report the people modding?

[Icarus Moonsight]

No, I meant you told him he was reported when he wasn't. That's the nothing.

[ProgrammingAce]

No, I meant you told him he was reported when he wasn't. That's the nothing.

oh, well. yeah... that's 'cause i'm an acehole.

[eskobar]

Yeah, but see... it's not nothing.

Agree.

If you just think about how many people "do it only once" or thinks that one "illegal copy is nothing" we can count thousands .... or hundreds of thousands !!!

Piracy has always been an important issue for me, piracy has destroyed the tiny video game industry that existed in Mexico. It all started with people that thought : "I'll only but this pirate game to see if i like and then purchase the original" ...

A few years ago it was very hard to find an original game in Monterrey, Mexico; only a few Wal Marts and Sony shops carried a few popular games but we missed 95% of the USA releases ....

We are improving now and today the industry is growing but with the actual problems of the economy, it will be tougher for any company to cover the losses of piracy.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Yeah, I'm an asshole too and we know our kind quite well.

Hey now. When did this turn into an inquisition? Am I on trial now? All I said, basically, is that Ace should have reported him and left it at that. But, he's nicer than I am I guess.

[roushimsx]

While I won't blanket shit on piracy (everyone pirates something sometime!) or console modding (convenience!), I firmly believe that modded consoles should be banned with a vengeance from Xbox Live to deter cheating. Piracy may be illegal, but cheating flat out ruins games for legitimate players. Hell, I very rarely even play games online with people I don't know either in real life or through a common online community because of how much I detest cheaters.

Oh man, especially with XBL being a pay service? Please be banning the hell out of them before they ruin my gameplay experience.

[geneshifter]

Piracy is so bad that some PC game developers have said that they will no longer support the platform

All one has to do to see the extent of the problem is google "360 ISOs" or "PS3 backups" and you'll come to illegal links. How are these websites allowed to offer this?

This is a serious issue that needs to be addressed in a more meaningful way. I know people ever since Napster that think they are entitled to any information on the net. Insane.

[Emuaust]

Im with prog here, openly admitting your a pirate on a forum such as DP with members who are active in the industry and most of the time opposed to piracy is as neuro said DUMB AS FUCK.

[Matt-El]

Im pretty sure it is legal to own a backup of the games you own(which I did with my genuine copy of GOW2)

While it is legal to have a "backup" copy of a game, it isn't legal to use the backup and the primary copy at the same time, which is what CDiablo is doing.

Fact of the matter is, because of knowledge on this point that you had that the person didn't have, you reported it.

Even if he didn't know what he did wrong, should he get punished?

On another note, if a person had pirated say, PS2 games, would you still report him? It isn't harming your job security, right? Are you that virtuous in the situation? Merely stating that you work for the company that you reported him to instantly attaches bias to your actions. Wether it be of an almighty quest to ban all illegal activity, or save your bottom line.

[Tupin]

Anyone who is stupid enough to admit that they pirate Xbox games on a forum full of people against it deserves to be publicly humiliated.

[geneshifter]

Anyone who is stupid enough to admit that they pirate Xbox games on a forum full of people against it deserves to be publicly humiliated.

and flogged. Don't forget the floggings

[noname11]

I suggest nothing short of Guantanamo Bay for the criminal.



Modding and XBOX, how dare he? Some waterboarding will beat the Fair Use out of him!

[neuropolitique]

Fact of the matter is, because of knowledge on this point that you had that the person didn't have, you reported it.

Even if he didn't know what he did wrong, should he get punished?.

Ignorance of the law is not a defense.

[Matt-El]

But what punishment should someone receive due to the circumstances? Law is more than just the written word.

And let's be clear on the fact, that if a random person reports something, it is not the same situation as an investigation orchestrated by actual law enforcement.

[neuropolitique]

But what punishment should someone receive due to the circumstances? Law is more than just the written word.

And let's be clear on the fact, that if a random person reports something, it is not the same situation as an investigation orchestrated by actual law enforcement.

A banning from Xbox live is also not the same situation as jail time or a fine.

[Matt-El]

A banning from Xbox live is also not the same situation as jail time or a fine.

Right, so what exactly are you aiming at?