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    I've watched a few videos of this game, and it looks boring as hell. I couldn't even tell it was supposed to be a rape simulator. It seemed more like a voyeuristic game where the girl was slightly uncomfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Half Japanese View Post
    Can we agree that outside some folks' shield of anonymity provided by the internet, that hentai, dating sims, and associated forms of "entertainment" are extremely lame?
    No way, man. Some dating sims (hentai or not) are really fun. You could throw boobs into, I dunno, Metal Gear Solid or Resident Evil, and it doesn't make them suddenly not worth playing. A fun game is a fun game. At their core, dating sims are about gameplay-centered character interaction. They're not much different from, say, an RPG with the usual love interest part of the plot, except instead of just sitting back and watching who the lead is predetermined to hook up with, you get to have fun interacting with a bunch of characters and deciding what couple you prefer best. There's a reason why games like Harvest Moon, Thousand Arms, Ar tonelico, Persona, and others have dating sim aspects. It's just fun.

    Of course, none of this is really relevant to RapeLay, as it's not a dating sim nor are most hentai games like it.

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    I don't care if it is out.

    I see it like porno mags. If you don't like it, don't buy it or read it to support it. Make a fuss, more people know about it, but if you just be quiet and not support it, then they lose a sale. If everybody does that, then you are good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Half Japanese View Post
    Can we agree that outside some folks' shield of anonymity provided by the internet, that hentai, dating sims, and associated forms of "entertainment" are extremely lame?
    Hate to play Devil's Advocate but I must admit that I've seen some pics of Hentai games and some of them actually look kind of interesting. Some of them appear to be adventure games similar to Snatcher or the LucasArts games. The gratuitous sex and what not are probably difficult to sit through, true, but there were some that I saw and thought I would actually like to try them.

    I love games where part of the puzzle is choosing the right responses to questions, etc, and that's what some of these games seem to be all about. Of course, I'm sure when you get deep enough into them, they become absolutely disgusting.

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    Ah! This must be the game that rapists have been playing and inspiring since the dawn of humanity. Probably the same software house that put out the murder simulators that Hitler loved so much. Yes, they surely must be banned because imaginary drawn people get hurt on the screen.

    Japan has the most tasteless and immoral porn in the world but please correct me if I am wrong but its rape-related crime statistics are considerably lower compared to the US and other Western countries.
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    Nah, Japan's statistics for rape are way out there; high enough that they've organized women-only cars on many subway lines in various cities.

    I'm kinda torn about the whole issue of stuff.

    On the one hand, it's a fantasy and responsible people can separate between that and reality.

    On the other, the more time a consumer spends with this stuff, they have to sort of obsess over it. There's probably a difference somewhere between a person understanding what kind of person they are and what they like, and putting themselves in proximity with stuff that's creating a world where, in this example, rape is okay and just a fact of normal life.

    It's easy enough to blame it on the reckless deviants, but what about the attitude shift in everybody else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Half Japanese View Post
    Can we agree that outside some folks' shield of anonymity provided by the internet, that hentai, dating sims, and associated forms of "entertainment" are extremely lame?
    Hentai? Funny. Dating sims? Ridiculously funny. As for the other stuff like this rapeplay "game", I'm sure someone out there finds it entertaining. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Oscuro View Post
    Nah, Japan's statistics for rape are way out there; high enough that they've organized women-only cars on many subway lines in various cities.
    Yeah... people just don't actually get charged very often, I believe.

    I'm kinda torn about the whole issue of stuff.

    On the one hand, it's a fantasy and responsible people can separate between that and reality.

    On the other, the more time a consumer spends with this stuff, they have to sort of obsess over it. There's probably a difference somewhere between a person understanding what kind of person they are and what they like, and putting themselves in proximity with stuff that's creating a world where, in this example, rape is okay and just a fact of normal life.

    It's easy enough to blame it on the reckless deviants, but what about the attitude shift in everybody else?
    Yeah, it's tough... that stuff on the one hand, but freedom of speech on the other... and I absolutely believe in freedom of speech. Nobody's being directly harmed by the existence of the game... it's like the US with things like neo-nazi music and stuff, it's not illegal until they actually start doing physical violence or things like that. Many other nations limit words a lot more than we do, though, so this isn't an absolute... but I do think America does it right.

    But on the other hand, the things you talk about are absolutely very troubling. But what's the best way to fight against it without banning the things outright? Because things shouldn't be banned just because some people can't handle the content; on that standard, the 'violence in videogames should be banned' people would win, instead of focusing on the actual problem, already troubled people who society failed to notice were dangerous.

    I guess what I would take the most issue with is that there isn't enough in anime or anime-style games arguing AGAINST this kind of thing. It is just fantasy, so games like this should be able to exist... but ideally there wouldn't be much of a market for them, and we'd do a better job of stopping the troubled people sooner.

    Oh yeah, and Japan would do a lot of good if they'd work on their women's rights... because if people aren't being punished, nothing's going to change, that's for sure. At least in most Western countries, people who do that kind of thing know that there's a good chance that they'll eventually be caught and put in jail for a good long while... the real problem are cultural attitudes and laws. Laws aren't hard to change, but cultural attitudes... those don't change fast, or easily. Just look at our current struggle for gay rights (in this country and everywhere else) for proof of that...

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    Oh boy...

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    Does it have a 2 Player mode so one player can be the one getting raped?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tubeway View Post
    Does it have a 2 Player mode so one player can be the one getting raped?
    Thats not the kind of co-op I would prefer. But I guess some people like being the bitch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Oscuro View Post
    Nah, Japan's statistics for rape are way out there; high enough that they've organized women-only cars on many subway lines in various cities.
    Rape and subway gropings are two very, very different things.

    The last thing this topic needs is to turn into another "Japan is so bizarre" or "Japan is so messed up" topic. We shouldn't vilify an entire nation and people over an obscure, creepy PC game. People are acting as if Rapelay is getting the same sales and recognition in Japan as Final Fantasy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unwinddesign View Post
    People are horrified by this, but barely blink an eye at the hundreds of games where you gibb humans into gooey little bits.

    I know the argument goes that rape is "psychologically fucked up" etc. etc. and that getting off it on is, well wrong, but I always thought killing people was worse. One life and all that shit.

    Before anyone thinks I'm supporting this, I'm not. Not in the slightest. It's retarded. While funny that some idiot spent his time making it, it really doesn't need to exist. Nonetheless, there's a shitload of games that have lots of illegal behavior going on, a lot of which is worse than rape. FYI, I qualify "murder" as worse than rape. Even if you don't, it's definitely up there. So why flip a shit about this game? It's not realistic in the slightest, and it's just way too ridiculous to be taken seriously.
    I think everyone has thought about commiting a violent acts at some time or another and many may even think about killing someone who has harmed them in the past even if it is just to think about it. Then we have war and captial punishment where killing is "supposed to be" the right thing to do. So killing isn't always so bad to some people and it is something many have even considered if only briefly. In general we have just grown a think skin when it comes to murder.

    Rape well rape is always wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Black Falcon View Post
    Yeah... people just don't actually get charged very often, I believe.
    It's one of the least reported crimes, if not the #1 least reported crime.

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    Yeah, it's tough... that stuff on the one hand, but freedom of speech on the other... and I absolutely believe in freedom of speech. Nobody's being directly harmed by the existence of the game... it's like the US with things like neo-nazi music and stuff, it's not illegal until they actually start doing physical violence or things like that. Many other nations limit words a lot more than we do, though, so this isn't an absolute... but I do think America does it right.
    The freedom of speech thing only comes into play when you start talking about banning stuff. In this case, most of us here and in the media are just saying it's in poor taste. Amazon is choosing of its own volition not to allow it on their site much like I'm sure many of us wouldn't want Neo Nazis in our homes. You can be pro First Amendment and still call garbage what it is. I've been doing that with Manhunt since it first came out. We aren't wiping our asses with the Constitution just because we don't give a free pass to everything under the sun.

    The First Amendment would come into play if we started arguing that this should be banned because it's an implicit rallying cry for violence against women and that kind of speech isn't protected. But I highly doubt that argument would hold water. There are a lot of "rape play" porn films where rape is used as a springboard but the girl eventually submits either because she finds it exciting or because she just accepts being powerless in the situation. And those are live action yet don't qualify. As tasteless as RapeLay might be, it's still just a cartoon.

    Male power fantasies are not alien to entertainment, even innocent entertainment. It's particularly not alien to video games, a medium mostly targeted at young males. A wholly innocent game like Ar Tonelico has constant sleazy undertones. And this is a game I like. But I'd be lying through my teeth if I didn't say I'm sometimes embarrassed to play it just because the dialogue is so full of innuendo. RapeLay is sort of the same deal except, unlike Ar Tonelico, it sheds all pretense and just says what it means to say.

    And this isn't just games involving sex, either. Any game where you play as a muscular one man army is appealing to the little Rambo in all of us. And I don't think that's a bad thing. Wish fulfillment is relatively normal in entertainment and should continue to be. We wouldn't have Superman if a couple of kids from the 30s didn't think, "Man, wouldn't it be cool to be super strong?" Games like RapeLay and Manhunt just take it "a little too far." It's just like the racist joke. Racist jokes can be incredibly funny. Until someone goes "a little too far." But the location of the line varies from person to person. I don't think there's any "evil" to playing RapeLay. I don't think people who do are bad people or prone to deviant sexual behavior. It's just that, for me, it crosses that line where it stops being entertaining...for me...maybe not for somebody else.
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    Not like we haven't seen it before.

    What about Custer's Revenge is that one OK ?

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    Not particularly.

    But, again, it's tasteless but simultaneously a stupid cartoon. And I use that word loosely as those things on screen barely look human at all. It's not particularly harmful but it doesn't have to be in order to qualify as garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyTheTiger View Post
    It's true that this isn't news. Rape simulators and various types of games/anime are not new. I've seen a few in my day and though I haven't played/seen this one I'd bet it's not the worst of the bunch, either. I think this can be summed up, though, by taking a look at A Clockwork Orange.

    In the novel, the main character rapes a couple of ten year olds. In the movie adaptation, however, it's changed to consensual sex with older teens. This, I think, defines the difference. With a book, simple prose, it's just words. It's far less jarring because it really is "just a story." But when adapted to film, now you're dealing with something far more vivid and even in a movie as fucked up as A Clockwork Orange, not many people would be comfortable depicting a child rape scene. Especially since these girls would be played by actresses who are actually real people. I'm all for creative freedom but creative freedom comes paired with creative responsibility. And filming the scene as it was written would have been creatively irresponsible.

    I'm convinced the only reason games/hentai like this can 'get away with it' is because it is "just a cartoon." It might be in bad taste but it has the same kind of defenses that the Clockwork novel would use.

    I'll be perfectly honest. I think Manhunt pushes into creative irresponsibility, too. But, again, it's "just a cartoon...sort of." I guarantee that if CGI were capable of mimicking reality flawlessly then a game like Manhunt wouldn't be able find a market. Who'd want to play it if it were that real, right? I think the same thing goes for these rape simulators or hentai where the oldest female involved is a whopping 12 years old. If it got "too real" it ends up crossing that line into "what the fuck this is sick" to even the most dedicated supporters.

    I'm sort of talking out of both ends of my mouth here. But what I'm trying to get at is that at some point an offensive concept is less offensive to the masses because of the limitations of the medium itself. When moved into a different medium, or when the limitations of a medium are removed from the equation, then all of a sudden something relatively innocent turns into something incredibly disturbing.
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    What do you mean?

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    It looks like ebay has finally started to ban this game...two years after allowing it to sell regularly in the adult section. Better late than never I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyTheTiger View Post
    What do you mean?
    I was just goofin on your avatar. The thought of Tony the Tiger making social commentary about a hentai rape game makes me laugh. Yea, I'm a little nutty. 'It's RRRape!'
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