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    Question Sonic Crackers. What's it worth?

    I am just curious, I am not selling.

    This cart came from a friend of mine who was big into the prototype scene back in the mid 90s. This cart was a "freebie" in a large lot of Atari prototypes he purchased around 1997-1998. He stored it in a box and forgot about it until about 2 years ago when I acquired it.

    Here are some pictures of it:










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    With the rate of the repros of Crackers circulating in the world, I'd say about $5.

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    its worth more than 5$, its worth at least 50$

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enigmus View Post
    With the rate of the repros of Crackers circulating in the world, I'd say about $5.
    I think you are confusing my Sonic Crackers cart with one of these:


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    Quote Originally Posted by hellfire View Post
    its worth more than 5$, its worth at least 50$
    If I remember correctly, A copy of Sonic Crackers went on ebay auction and commanded somewhere in the hundreds of dollars range. This was some time ago so I can't remember the exact price.

    I'm trying to remember if it was found to be a fake or not.

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    It's worth about $400 or so. Might be a "little" less, but not sure why the above posters are feeding you those numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob View Post
    I think you are confusing my Sonic Crackers cart with one of these:

    I think a five dollar foot long would be more related to a cheap MVS game
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    I would say the cart is worth between $250-$300. It would be worth a great deal more if it hadn't been dumped of course (regardless of whether or not your particular cart was the one that was dumped). It will still command descent cash because it's a Sonic title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enigmus View Post
    With the rate of the repros of Crackers circulating in the world, I'd say about $5.
    Those EPROMs alone are worth more than $5!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wickeycolumbus View Post
    Those EPROMs alone are worth more than $5!
    I buy my EPROMS for $.50 apiece, so I'd price them at $4 .

    There's no way a unreleased Sonic prototype, dumped or otherwise, sells for less than $200.

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    I'm terribly suspicious of the 50 or so Sonic Crackers protos that have popped up over the years. Why would anyone need to burn that many copies of such an early build of a game? Aren't they all the same build too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRedEye View Post
    I'm terribly suspicious of the 50 or so Sonic Crackers protos that have popped up over the years. Why would anyone need to burn that many copies of such an early build of a game? Aren't they all the same build too?
    50!? Wow, I knew there were many but I had no idea that the number was that high. That's wild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRedEye View Post
    I'm terribly suspicious of the 50 or so Sonic Crackers protos that have popped up over the years. Why would anyone need to burn that many copies of such an early build of a game? Aren't they all the same build too?
    The only time i've ever seen this many copies of an unreleased game is when the deveoper is flat broke and is shopping around for a publisher. Since it's a Sega in-house game, that doesn't really apply here.

    And with so many copies out there, why did it take so long to get dumped?

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    The EPROMS are soldered in (manufactured) so they must have made a lot of these. It's not a one-off burn for testing.
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    Pete, you are incorrect. It does not matter if the EPROMS are soldered or not. People seem to think that is what makes a proto for some reason. If it was "manufactured" there would be ROMs as the chips. I've seen protos of all types and being soldered onto boards means absolutely nothing.

    I don't think there have been "50" but definitely about 10-15 of these. CLint Dyer had a few..

    My guess is someone had some blank PCBs and burned EPROMS to them. I don't know if that someone was Clint, but considering these weren't sold by him for a lot of money, It's very unlikely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeaglePuss View Post
    50!? Wow, I knew there were many but I had no idea that the number was that high. That's wild.
    I was exaggerating, like DreamTR said it's probably more like 10-15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamTR View Post
    I've seen protos of all types and being soldered onto boards means absolutely nothing.
    If a programmer was simply making a test build, it would waste time and money to solder the EPROMs. Socketed boards are most likely test builds, and soldered ones, while still prototypes were most likely for review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRedEye View Post
    I was exaggerating, like DreamTR said it's probably more like 10-15.
    Well 10-15 doesn't seem that extraordinary then.

    I mean, I have nine copies of Heavyweight Championship Boxing (GB) and something like 4 copies of Pitfall (SNES). There's also something like five NTSC copies of Solomon's Key 2 floating around.

    I agree that 10-15 is a higher amount than what's typically found, but not enough so to make me scratch my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wickeycolumbus View Post
    If a programmer was simply making a test build, it would waste time and money to solder the EPROMs. Socketed boards are most likely test builds, and soldered ones, while still prototypes were most likely for review.
    I have Pitfall prototypes for both SNES and Genesis that have dramatic differences when compared to the released version. Both prototypes have soldered chips. The builds are so early that I seriously doubt they were use for (magazine) reviews.

    Although it's more common to see socketed EPROMs on true prototypes, soldered chips are not out of the ordinary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeaglePuss View Post
    I have Pitfall prototypes for both SNES and Genesis that have dramatic differences when compared to the released version. Both prototypes have soldered chips. The builds are so early that I seriously doubt they were use for (magazine) reviews.

    Although it's more common to see socketed EPROMs on true prototypes, soldered chips are not out of the ordinary.
    When I said 'review', I did not necessarily mean that it was sent out to magazines. It could have been sent to some where within the company so they could see how the game was coming along. When actually developing the game, it would make no sense to solder the EPROMs in, as it would take longer to do an already time consuming task, and waste money (the EPROMs and PCB could not easily be reused).

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