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    Default Saturn OutRun: The best version of the classic game because: 60FPS + remixed music?




    Would it not be fair to say that, because the Saturn version of OutRun ported by Rutubo Games in 1996 has a 'smooth mode' allowing it to run at 60FPS, twice the framerate of Sega-AM2's original 1986 coin-op arcade machine which indeed was originally 30FPS and also (in the Japanese Saturn version) has completely remixed arranged music, it is the best version of the classic 1986 OutRun available on any format?


    The 60FPS smooth mode is acomplished by:
    Going to Options, highlight Game Mode,
    hold A + C, press Left or Right.

    As I said, the original coin-op arcade machine / PCB cannot run at 60FPS, it is locked at 30FPS. And while there have been a number of re-releases of the original sprite-based 2D OutRun on Dreamcast & Xbox (Shenmue II, Yu Suzuki Game Works Vol 1, OutRun2) there is no version that runs at 60FPS, other than the Saturn version... Not counting possible settings in emulators like MAME where it may (or may not) be able to speed things up with the original arcade ROM (I have not looked into this so I don't know).

    Thank you Rutubo Games for improving on AM2's classic with a 60FPS mode which looks beautiful and thank you Hiroshi Miyauchi for composing remixed music.

    I realize that the U.S. and Euro versions released in 1997 (Sega Ages 3-in-1 ) lost the new remixed music, they only have arcade music, but they still retain the 60FPS framerate, thankfully.


    BTW, here is a probably-incomplete list of classic OutRun games released *excluding* the sequels like Turbo OutRun, OutRun 2019, OutRunners, OutRun2 and its many variants etc. If I missed any, let me know so I can update this list.

    Arcade
    *OUT RUN HARDWARE (SEGA-AM2, 1986)

    Consoles
    *Master System (1987)
    *Master System (OutRun 3-D, 1991)
    *PC-Engine (NEC, 1990)
    *MegaDrive / Genesis (1991, Sanritsu)
    *Saturn (Sega Ages, Rutubo Games, 1996, 1997)
    *Dreamcast (in Shenmue II, 2001)
    *Dreamcast (Yu Suzuki Game Works Vol 1, 2001)
    *Xbox (2002, in Shenmue II)
    *PlayStation2 (2004, 2005 Sega Ages/3D Ages remake)
    *Xbox (2004, classic OutRun in OutRun2)


    Computers
    *Commodore 64 (1987, Amazing Products)
    *Atari ST (1989, Probe)
    *Commodore Amiga (1988, Probe)
    *IBM PC-DOS (1989, Unlimited Software)
    *MSX (1987, Probe)
    *MSX 2 (1988, Pony Canyon)
    *Amstrad CPC (1987, Probe)
    *Sinclair ZX Spectrum (1987, Probe)


    Handhelds
    *GameGear (1991, Sanritsu)
    *GameBoy Advance (Sega Arcade Gallery, 2003, Bits Studios)
    *Mobile Phone (2004)
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    For those of you that cannot play Japanese Saturn games, if you have one of these discs:






    You at least get to play Saturn OutRun at 60FPS, even though you'll lose the remixed music.

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    The US version by Working Designs/SPAZ omitted the soundtracks of the "Original" arcade music for all 3 games not the remix I dont know about the Euro version I also didn't know about the 60FPS I need to try that when I get home .

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    I did not know about this. Love this game have it on master system and genesis. 60fps and music sounds like I need a copy

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    I want those discs to play 60 FPS After Burner.

    I love the 32X version and I thought it was the best one until I read about the Saturn version.

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    Was the unlockable version of the arcade OutRun on OutRun 2 for XBOX 60FPS?

    Could you use the remixed music for it? I know that the Jap and Euro music remixes were available in the regular game ...

    Sega Ages for Saturn is a very good version of all the games included from what I remember.
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    Quote Originally Posted by c0ldb33r View Post
    I want those discs to play 60 FPS After Burner.
    Yes you should have them. At least get the U.S. Working Designs 3-in-1 collection, if not the 3 seperate Japanese releases. I've got the U.S. 3-in-1 disc and the seperate Japanese OutRun & After Burner II, but not Space Harrier.






    I love the 32X version and I thought it was the best one until I read about the Saturn version.
    Yeah unfortunately the 32X version of AfterBurner released in 1994 only runs at 30FPS, that's half the framerate of the arcade version from 1987, which of course was 60FPS, powered by Sega's super-scaler 'X Board' (which also ran ThunderBlade & Super Monaco GP among others. The Saturn version of AfterBurner from 1996/1997 was the first home version to run at 60FPS and rival the arcade without any noticable loss in quality. The Dreamcast and Xbox versions in Shenmue II and Yu Suzuki Game Works Volume 1 are similar, but the sprites look higher resolution.



    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie_Says_Relax View Post
    Was the unlockable version of the arcade OutRun on OutRun 2 for XBOX 60FPS?
    Nope.

    As I mentioned in my first post, Saturn OutRun is the only one to run at 60FPS. No other version of the original OuRun is 60FPS. The unlockable version of OutRun in OutRun2 for Xbox is just 30FPS like the arcade. Same with OutRun found in Shenmue II on Dreamcast & Xbox, as well as Yu Suzuki Game Works Vol 1 for Dreamcast, they are all 30FPS.

    Sega Ages for Saturn is a very good version of all the games included from what I remember.
    It's a very good collection. Rutubo Games did a great job.
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    There is one point of problem here, the NTSC-J OutRun saw two releases. The reason for this is since the first release had a problem booting on revision 2 (round button) Sega Saturns so they had to address the bug and set on a re-release. The revision saw release around the time of the US/C and European release of the Sega Ages set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahlim003 View Post
    There is one point of problem here, the NTSC-J OutRun saw two releases. The reason for this is since the first release had a problem booting on revision 2 (round button) Sega Saturns so they had to address the bug and set on a re-release. The revision saw release around the time of the US/C and European release of the Sega Ages set.
    Thanks for the info, I had no idea there were two Japanese releases of Saturn OutRun.

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    Is there any way to tell the two releases apart?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damaramu View Post
    Is there any way to tell the two releases apart?
    It's very minimal and really the only way, pardon a close visual inspection is to test them out to see if they boot up or not on a specific Saturn.

    Here's some information:
    So what does the newer version serial look like?
    v1.102 OutRun - Master Serial 01050A
    This appears on the inner cd ring as
    GS-9110P-01050A-P1K
    so I'm told, plus there is another number/code to the right, which should look like this:
    IFPI L237

    OutRuns that have IFPI L231 and or Master Serial 01050 are version 1.005, the original release. Looks like this and this.
    More technical information found here: http://madroms.free.fr/db/db.php?tit...print=&realsn=

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    Mine copy is IFPI L231, thus, version 1.005 from 1996.

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    So if I have a white round button Japanese Saturn, which version would I want?

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    Cool!

    Thanks for the info on that. I'm a big OutRun fan and it's good to know that the Saturn version has that extra "quality".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damaramu View Post
    So if I have a white round button Japanese Saturn, which version would I want?
    The newer version, v1.102.

    On the main topic about OutRun in general. I could have sworn the Yu Suzuki's Game Works OutRun ran at 60fps. Pardon some colour issues and the fact they had to re-style the Testarossa (to avoid royalities/litigation) it plays pretty much the same I'd say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fahlim003 View Post

    On the main topic about OutRun in general. I could have sworn the Yu Suzuki's Game Works OutRun ran at 60fps. Pardon some colour issues and the fact they had to re-style the Testarossa (to avoid royalities/litigation) it plays pretty much the same I'd say.
    I've got my Dreamcast running Yu Suzuki Game Works and my Saturn running Sega Ages OutRun, I can switch back & forth between them with my switcher. The motion of OutRun in YSGW looks equal to OutRun Saturn *without* smooth mode. When I switch to Saturn OutRun's smooth mode, it's literally twice the framerate.

    Yu Suzuki Game Works version of OutRun is the same as the Shenmue II version, with the differently styled Testarossa.

    I've checked every re-release of the classic sprite-based OutRun, I have yet to find one that runs at 60FPS other than the Saturn releases--Not counting the polygonal Sega Ages / 3D Ages remake for PS2 which runs at 60FPS, but this is obviously not a port of the classic sprite-based OutRun from 1986.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parallaxscroll View Post
    Yu Suzuki Game Works version of OutRun is the same as the Shenmue II version, with the differently styled Testarossa.

    I've checked every re-release of the classic sprite-based OutRun, I have yet to find one that runs at 60FPS other than the Saturn releases--Not counting the polygonal Sega Ages / 3D Ages remake for PS2 which runs at 60FPS, but this is obviously not a port of the classic sprite-based OutRun from 1986.
    Smooth mode you say? I'll need to examine this...

    Edit: Good grief, you're right! No wonder I never knew about this Smooth as it's not accessible without the code:
    In Options, press A & C simultaneously while GAME MODE is highlighted, from there Smooth mode for both Japan and Overseas will be available to choose.
    It's terrific to know this option is available but sad as to why no other versions have it. Truly bizarre.
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    Hi every body !

    There is dust on this thead, no ?

    I've just little question about this...

    1) Are you sure Out Run from Sega ages (with Out run, Afterburner...) on european Saturn doesn't run in 60 fps ?
    There is no smooth mode, but on the screen, it seems really good...

    2) I've a european Saturn with Sega Ages. I play Out Run.
    I bought a St-Key to run japanese game. I bought Out Run jap version (not arrived yet).
    Will i see a difference ?

    3)Here, smooth mode doesn't want to say better graphic (like in emulator, you know, "pixel smoothing"), but fastest on the screen ?

    Thx for you answer (if i have one a day !!)

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    60FPS does not make a game better unless the game was designed for it. I am also fairly confident that all '80s sprite scaling games topped at 30fps or below.

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