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    3dfx brings back some good memories. I remember sometime in 1996 a friend of mine showing me the original Tomb Raider game, running on a PC with a 3dfx card. At the time I owned a Playstation and the PSX version of Tomb Raider. I was amazed at how much better the game looked. One of the main reasons I avoided playing games on a computer, was because I was the type that wanted a controller in my hand, and didn't want to play games with a keyboard and mouse. My buddy had a Micrsoft sidewinder controller, and he was playing Tomb Raider with that. I tried his setup out, and was hooked. I had to have it.

    I ended up building my very first gaming PC. Not long after that I think I got my N64, and I basically had a PS1, N64 and PC with 3dfx. It wasn't too long from that point that I basically stopped playing console games, and went 100 percent to the computer side. Games like the original Unreal blew my mind (at the time). Pretty much during 1997, 1998 and early 1999 I didn't really have a clue as to what was going on in the console world, because I was too busy playing PC games. Then when the Dreamcast was launched on 9-9-99 that all changed. I bought a Dreamcast on day 1, and basically jumped back on the console gaming bandwagon.

    Since that time, I haven't built a single gaming PC, and only game on consoles. The interesting thing, is that I'm actually pondering returning to the PC side of things. Why? Well, I still love console gaming but I'm a bit disappointed in the fact that no new console systems are on the horizon. I like the cycle of a new console being released every 5 years. If this cycle were to continue, that would mean the Xbox 720 would release this November. Obviously, we know that isn't about to happen. A new Xbox or PS3, could be a good 3 more years away, which makes me think that maybe I should jump onto the PC bandwagon for a few years, just to get that "next-level" feeling that I like so much. Then again, building a PC, and constantly upgrading is something I haven't had to deal with since 1999, and I'm not really looking forward to jumping back into that any time soon....decisions, decisions.

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    the cable used to connect a 2d card to the voodoo 1 and 2. any M to F vga cable will do correct? it wasn't something special?

    i just got a voodoo 1 8mb and a voodoo 2 12mb and thinking of building a win95 machine.

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    Yup, nothing special. Just a standard M->F cable.
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    Go with Win 98. The drivers tended to be more well rounded for Voodoo cards in 98/Me then in 95 by the end of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC-ENGINE HELL View Post
    Go with Win 98. The drivers tended to be more well rounded for Voodoo cards in 98/Me then in 95 by the end of it.
    yhea, i acually have a win98 setup with a voodoo 3 AGP card. the win95 thing is just a product of haveing to many spare pc parts and time on my hands. i don't even know if there were any games that were made for 95 and didn't work in 98...maybe 1 or 2. same with useing a voodoo 1.

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    Not done yet, as I still need to trim up one of the fans screw mount areas down evenly so they all match in size, but here is my Voodoo 5500 PCI so far.
    Eventually I will be adding some kinda cooling solution to the back of the card also. The fans are Masscool 4000 rpm fans attached using 40mm to 60mm red adapter plates. I had the smaller screws that came with the adapter plates were not thick enough to grab into the heat sinks, so I used the original screws, just trimmed them down slightly. The larger screws used to mount the fan sadly were not long enough either (what a surprise) so that's why I trimmed the screw mount areas on the fans.

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    Was the 5500 produced in AGP? It strikes me as a bit odd to trick out a PCI video card from that late in the 3dfx line...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NayusDante View Post
    Was the 5500 produced in AGP? It strikes me as a bit odd to trick out a PCI video card from that late in the 3dfx line...
    Yea a AGP one was produced, but uses the older AGP slot standard, so its a pain to find a decent board to use it on. You are basically limited to older Socket A boards that are able to handle AGP 1/2x cards. Something like a Nforce 2 based board wont cut it.

    The PCI card however can be used in basically any system you want to make, so its a bit more sought after. The speed of the PCI one is basically the same as the AGP card in games, maybe 3-5 percent slower. At the time the PCI card was released it was basically the best PCI card you could by, other then a Geforce 2 MX pci.

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    I wouldn't mind mounting a fan on my VooDoo 3.

    But I'm not really sure how to go about doing that. There are only two mount holes for that heat sink.


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    I'd try a PCI-slot fan. That's basically what they're for. It won't be as effective as card-mounting it, but you'll still be actively cooling the card.

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    Push Upstairs, you can take a thinner socket A fan, a couple of 40mm fans, or a 60mm fan, and use tad longer screws to mount it to the heat sink. As long as the screws you use are thick enough they will dig into the heat sink fins.

    Yea I considered doing that PCI-slot fan thing for the back of the card actually. It'll depend on what I find as I go looking around. Im wanting something that has fans that will go around 4000rpm. If I need to I may make my own using Thermaltake fans placed to flow air downward on the card. They make some pretty fast reliable fans. Ill just have to see .
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    I'm not opposed to removing the heat sink and putting something more fan mount friendly, but for the time being I'll try the PCI slot fan I have.

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    I went to a local Quake LAN party. I had a pretty nice rig. I had a STB Lightspeed 128, which was pretty much the fastest DOS Quake video card you could get. My friend had just gotten one of the Monster 3D cards. He did a timedemo for me at 640x480 and it was ridiculous. I had to have one.

    So I got one. It was amazing for GLQuake and Descent 2 (d2_3dfx). Opponents hated to go against me in Descent 2 on Kali since that game was heavily influenced by your framerate.

    It performed well until Quake 2, at which point I defected and tried out the Riva TNT as well as the Matrox G200. Both supported 32bit color instead of the 3dfx 16bit, but the performance was not quite on par with my single Voodoo2. Very quickly, the TNT2 was released and that was the final nail for the 3dfx coffin. I remember my friend bought a Voodoo3 instead and he regretted that purchase dearly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Push Upstairs View Post
    I wouldn't mind mounting a fan on my VooDoo 3.

    But I'm not really sure how to go about doing that. There are only two mount holes for that heat sink.
    Super Glue! I used to do that all the time with various cards. You'd be surprised how well you can get it to stick with a minimal surface contact.

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    Not very easy to replace the fan, is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenegg View Post
    Super Glue! I used to do that all the time with various cards. You'd be surprised how well you can get it to stick with a minimal surface contact.
    doesn't the heat unglue it?

    i've got a voodoo 3 3500 on the way and i plan on overclocking it so i'm hopeing to stick a fan on it directly.

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    I just found a 3D Blaster Banshee in my local thrift for $1.00. It's AGP though... Can I SLI that with a VooDoo 2 PCI? Guessing no...



    Also found some SD, DDR, and DDR2 for a quarter each. I might get out my 1ghz AMD chip + board and set up another 3dfx rig with all this, heh.

    Now I have a VooDoo 2 PCI, VooDoo Banshee AGP, and VooDoo 3 2000 AGP.

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    Just saw something neat on eBay...

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Voodoo-magazine-...item56379be0f3



    A little pricy, but very neat. If that's the 120mb FF7 demo that was 3dfx enhanced, I hope that whoever buys it would upload it, because I can't find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NayusDante View Post
    I just found a 3D Blaster Banshee in my local thrift for $1.00. It's AGP though... Can I SLI that with a VooDoo 2 PCI? Guessing no...
    The drivers at 3dfxzone.it seem to explicitly support "mismatched SLI", yes.

    EDIT: Oh, wait, you said Banshee. In that case, I would also imagine not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorpho View Post
    The drivers at 3dfxzone.it seem to explicitly support "mismatched SLI", yes.
    Really? I'm looking at my Voodoo 2 and the ribbon connecter is about 33% wider than the pins on the Banshee. I don't think AGP cards do SLI at all, to be honest.

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    No, you cant SLI the Banshee. You can only SLI a Voodoo 2 with a Voodoo 2.
    Make sure your board will run well with older AGP cards. The Banshee runs at 1X AGP. You got one of the better Banshee cards there. The Creative one with Sgram was nice and performed pretty close to the Diamond Fusion I have. You should look into screwing on a small 40mm fan though. The Banshee runs pretty hot when its passively cooled.

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    finally got around to installing my voodoo 3500. ended up replaceing the thermal pad with thermal compound and strapped a 486 cooling fan to it with a length of wire since i didn't have any screws long enough. a bit ugly but it seems to work fine. have the 486 fan blowing down into a pci slot fan that blows the hot air out the back. have to say i hate that non standard DVI slot though that forces me to use that breakout box.

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    3Dfx's fate was sealed in mid 1997 when SEGA decided to not use their chip in their then-upcoming superconsole.

    Sega of America and 3Dfx were working on the Black Belt console while Sega of Japan was working with NEC & Videologic on the Katana console. The Katana was chosen to become Sega's next console, which of course was named Dreamcast.

    3Dfx sued NEC and Sega, then Sega settled with 3Dfx a year or two later.
    It was too late for 3Dfx as they began to lose ground to Nvidia with the TNT2 cards. By late 2000, after losing the Xbox contract with GigaPixel, the remains of 3Dfx was bought up by Nvidia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parallaxscroll View Post
    3Dfx's fate was sealed in mid 1997 when SEGA decided to not use their chip in their then-upcoming superconsole.
    Thats the stupidest comment Ive ever read regarding anything 3DFX related. That was a side deal that in no way would have equaled the revenue the company got as a computer graphics card provider. It would have just been a small piece of a very large pie financially, and it did nothing in the end to keep Power VR going in the Pc world.

    What buried 3DFX was lengthy development cycles with nothing to fill the gaps, constant ignoring of the low end sectors, mismanagement of resources that caused vital crew to be taken off of projects like Rampage (thanks Greg), the merger with STB, ignoring the importance of hardware T&L early on, and being a overly lavish spender on company lunches and shit.

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    have an extra pc laying around again and 2 voodoo 2 cards so thinking of setting up an voodoo sli pc just for the hell of it. questions are.

    1) my 2 voodoo 2's seem to be 2 diffrent manufacturers, ones a monster and the other has no label but it is a black card.

    2) i know the voodoos are passthrough cards but do i have to use a dedicated 2d card with them or can i use anouther 2d/3d card like this spare viper v770 ultra i have laying here? will that create any conflicts or will the voodoos only kick in when i use a game that supports them?

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