Couldn't you use composite cables? Or does this issue only happen via hdmi?Originally Posted by Bojay1997
Couldn't you use composite cables? Or does this issue only happen via hdmi?
Apparently the composite output is even worse. People are reporting screen tearing, spots, interference, etc...I wonder if they packed in really cheap cables and that's the culprit? The HDMI cables they included are mini plug on the system end, so people don't exactly have known good ones lying around the house to test them with.
Well I have a slew of connectors ill try. I got mine in but I'm waiting till Christmas to open it
Hmm it could be a bad wire, but it may also be whatever software they have doing the conversion/output over the HDMI too. A third option would be the known fact that modern LCD/LED TVs usually make 480p and back stuff look like crap on some sets, lags on some too, and others it runs nice and sharp and without lag. It sounds like another case of the mileage varies.
I have an LED TV I won't run old games on because it lags them enough to be a problem in a SMB type environment and it blurs the image like some crappy bilinear filtering. The 5yrs old LCD TV though has no lag and the image is nice and crisp. (Old is a Panasonic Viera 26", new is a Samsung 46")
Not so sure I'm ready to give up my CMVS for this, but does anyone know if the stick is compatible with any other systems? Looks pretty close to the original I would just like to know about the quality and compatibility before dropping $50 on one.
Someone already covered that.
A friend surprised me with one of these as a gift, and we played with it for a good couple of hours.
The composite is indeed dark, but it looks fine on my 1084S with the contrast cranked and the brightness a little over medium. The signal has some interference, but I think it may just be a result of the very thin AV cables that come with it. The games have some minor tearing, and strobe effects(like flicker shadows) are uneven, as they are in most emulators. I don't have any displays that accept HDMI, but my friend does, so we'll see how it looks on his TV.
The audio seems fine to me.
The dpad on the handheld feels a bit weird. Mine sticks a little when pressed right, and the click sound of the left and right microswitches are totally different. Hopefully this will sort itself out as it gets worked in. The button layout isn't great for some games, like KoF and Fatal Fury Special, because it's totally different from what I'm used to on other consoles that also have a diamond button layouts.
The joystick is decent. It takes some getting use to, and it's very light, but I was able to pull off special moves in KoF 95 without too much difficulty.
It's a shame all of the games are AES versions, but I guess it makes sense. I'm just used to playing these games with unlimited credits.
I'm a little confused by the charging instructions. It says the dock must be turned on to charge it, but it seems silly that you wouldn't be able to charge it without having it on.
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Aaaaaaand, it's hacked.
http://kotaku.com/5970850/well-that-...as-been-hacked
"And the book says: 'We may be through with the past, but the past ain't through with us.'"
I knew it would happen but that was faster than expected.
I think that's great. Lets see what people can do with it.
I have stopped reading peoples reviews of this. I am so tired of people thinking This is an AES replacement. Comparing a $200 unit to basically a real arcade system. It's amazing that some people want EVERYTHING!
The problem with your theory is that this is a video game console and so it's inevitable that people will compare it to other similarly priced products including superguns with MVS capability, MAME or Coinops 5 capable Xbox systems or even full MVS arcade cabinets which can be purchased used for a few hundred dollars. Both the 360 and the PS3 were available in bundles this holiday season for $200. So, I don't think there's anything wrong with expecting the system to be worth the $200 (really $250+ if you want a second stick) and comparing it to other similar products. You can choose to ignore the truth, but there are some serious problems with the console dock video and audio output. Similarly, the screen on the handheld is not up to current standards (i.e. Vita or 3DS). Hackers have torn it down and discovered that internally the handlheld is basically a Dingoo. They sell for about $100 or so. As such, the badly working dock and joystick and 20 roms are roughly $100. Is that worth it? Maybe, but I don't think it is expecting too much for the video output on the dock to be decent or the audio to play at a reasonable level. Maybe that is asking for "everything", but I think that's really just expecting the minimum.
Just FYI, the video output issues are not due to the dock. I tested using the tv-out directly on the handheld and used the handheld as the controller. The video output quality was the same vs. the dock. I also tried another 3.5mm audio/video cable of higher quality and the results are the same.
NeoGeo Dev Team (makers of Last Hope, Fast Striker, Gunlord, XYX) believe the issue is software based:
Note that is has also been discovered that there are emulators for many other consoles right inside the internal SD card! Including a PS1 emulator with PS1 bios!Originally Posted by NGEV.TEAM View Post
It's mostly if not all software.
I see 3 main problems.
1. A wrong video resolution is used
The NEOGEO uses 320x224, but the NGX scales it to 320x240 and upscales it to 640x480 for HDMI.
Scaling 224px to 240px is a bad idea.
This also results in a 2nd problem that if you apply scanlines with a videoprocessor those are off.
Solution: don't scale to 240, just add 8px borders at top and bottom. Then scale pixel perfect to 640x480
2. The NEOGEO uses an odd video refresh rate 59.18hz, but HDMI requires 59.94hz
This results in tearing, no vertical sync possible.
Solution: speed up the emulation to 59.94Hz/60hz.
3. Sound lag.
Solution: Unknown. Probably just a bug, maybe hardware problems too?
Overall I'm pleased with the system, especially the joysticks. If anything, pick up a stick. Compared it with my original AES sticks, PS2 Neo sticks and PS3 Neo sticks. Love the textured surface. However I do like the larger balltop of the PS3 version.
No it's not going to replace my NeoGeo candy cabs, AES units, CDs, ports, etc. If you can only have one Neo setup, this is not the one to go with... but for a collector that's been there done that and is looking for something unique and different this is definitely a cool package.
Also did some tests with the PS3 NeoCD pad (doesn't work) and PS3 Neo stick (works perfectly).
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Comparison to like items I don't have a problem with. I'm talking about the people on neogeo.com comparing the image, sticks and sound to AES and MVS. People were complaining before it came out, and these same people still bought it. These people who know every aspect of every part of a NG....why did they buy it, just to btch!!?? These people knew what it was before it came out! If lobster is your favorite food, would you buy that lobster at a gas station for the same price as a fine dining establishment then complain about it?
I love this reply. You said it! All it is is just a cool item to have for a neo lover. It isn't a sub for anything. It's like a dicast collectible car....of your favorite car.Just FYI, the video output issues are not due to the dock. I tested using the tv-out directly on the handheld and used the handheld as the controller. The video output quality was the same vs. the dock. I also tried another 3.5mm audio/video cable of higher quality and the results are the same.
NeoGeo Dev Team (makers of Last Hope, Fast Striker, Gunlord, XYX) believe the issue is software based:
Note that is has also been discovered that there are emulators for many other consoles right inside the internal SD card! Including a PS1 emulator with PS1 bios!
Overall I'm pleased with the system, especially the joysticks. If anything, pick up a stick. Compared it with my original AES sticks, PS2 Neo sticks and PS3 Neo sticks. Love the textured surface. However I do like the larger balltop of the PS3 version.
No it's not going to replace my NeoGeo candy cabs, AES units, CDs, ports, etc. If you can only have one Neo setup, this is not the one to go with... but for a collector that's been there done that and is looking for something unique and different this is definitely a cool package.
Also did some tests with the PS3 NeoCD pad (doesn't work) and PS3 Neo stick (works perfectly).
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In fairness though, the technology inside the original Neo Geo AES and MVS is over 20 years old at this point. It was ahead of its time, but emulation and technology has come a long way and when you can buy a used Xbox 1 and install Coinops 5 on it and have perfectly emulated Neo Geo and other arcade roms running on it for under $50, it's kind of a hard sell when this $200+ piece of technology can't even output video or audio well.
I agree with your other comments about this being like a diecast car or a tribute to the original. I just don't think $200 is reasonable for a "tribute". Knock the price down to $100 and I think it's within the realm of reason.
This is just my opinion, so no disrespect Bojay... but I do not agree that something with all these pieces and packaging can be sold for 100-140 and still make a profit. Where I work we design hardware "boxes" and even taking into account that the internals are mostly "off the shelf parts", other costs to create the molds for the handheld & base unit, packaging, licensing costs, etc etc etc.... they can't really drive down costs significantly unless they commission building in the millions of units like Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, etc. They might have made "a lot", but no where near the bulk numbers to lower price enough.
Well anyways, the handheld will be sold next year for something like 130 or so...
I think everyone is for a lack of a better term, "spoiled" with their cheap dingoos, basically free to add emu functionality to a PSP/DS/etc, blaze sega handhelds, etc... so their frame of reference/anchor for pricing is fixed to that relative price point. Even though the core functionality of a Dingoo vs. the NGX is essentially the same, there are enough little touches/deltas on the NGX that affect cost. Whether these added touches matter to you or not... whatever. However I've seen enough collectors out there that pick up every color variation of a gameboy, n64, etc etc... and there are some hardcore NeoGeo fans (like myself haha) that are willing to plunk down the cash to make this a viable product. Prior to the drop date, most major retailers offering this product were sold out. I order an additional 2 pairs of stick from Toys R Us to bring my stick total to 6, but that pair got cancelled.
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Well said Lurker, it's all just bitching for bitching sake really. NO one is making someone buy this, and you know what you got going into it. The convenient fact of it also being $130 just for the unit in February seems to be ignored because it's easier to piss and whine about a $200 ghetto MVS. Perhaps it is spoled brat mentality getting in the way. I for one have zero interest in all that bs. I do want the handheld though and for $130 I think given what I did know, it was worth it.
Now that I know it got hacked like in 24hours, exposed much to be a dingoo, and that it can run far more stuff by renaming stupid files at this point (and I"m sure with more hacking it'll be made even more cut and dry) it would be fairly well dumbassed to ignore the thing. I saw what the main CPU was on this thing and it's a faster more cached revision of the same line of chips other pocket emulators use, so it's fairly well equipped. Would I hack it and screw ith PS1 stuff? Nope. Would I want to fire up some more NG games in there say like 8Man, Samurai Shodown 3, Puzzle Bobble, and Neo Turf Masters which I really love...hell yeah!
Don't forget the cost of packaging, the printed logos and if people hate to admit it, you are paying for the branding. Also, I don't believe all these people who keep throwing out the Dingoo comparison actually even have one.
I'm not following. There are people on Neo-Geo.com who have both and they concluded that the handheld is essentially a Dingoo with a slightly faster processor. Are you saying they are wrong?
No, but that does prove my point. They knew EXACTLY what they were buying, so why complain?
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