Playstation 4 Finally Officially Announced For Holiday 2013

[fluid_matrix]

So did they ever show the actual hardware besides the controller?

[Bojay1997]

So did they ever show the actual hardware besides the controller?

Nope.

[Rob2600]

I think you're engaging in wishful thinking. Both the presentation today and the leaked info in sources like the Wall Street Journal made it pretty clear that the PS4 is not backward compatible and the only way to play PS3 games will be through some type of Gaikai driven streaming effort. There is a big difference between making the library available on multiple devices and backward compatibility.

If what I read is true, the PS4 uses an AMD CPU based on a completely different architecture than the PS3's Cell CPU, making local backwards compatibility impossible.

If you want backwards compatibility with PS3 games, your two options are high speed internet streaming or keep your old PS3.

[Collector_Gaming]

So did they ever show the actual hardware besides the controller?

nope sadly. Which kinda made me go "well why did you even call for this conference then if you don't wanna show us the console?"

[heybtbm]

Not very exciting when they don't even reveal what the fricken thing looks like. I like the touchpad on the controller...screens on controllers are so ridiculous (sorry Wii U) yet touch controls are so useful. The graphics were surprisingly boring. My PC does that now. All in all, a mediocre debut IMO.

[Collector_Gaming]

The graphics were surprisingly boring. My PC does that now. All in all, a mediocre debut IMO.

Which is why I am gonna just keep on pc gaming this generation.

[Greg2600]

Seemed to spend a lot of time talking up "instant" aka streamed gaming. Not even downloading to your machine, straight "remote server gaming." This is the gaming I disagree with most, because once those servers shut down, the game is lost forever.

[kedawa]

Consoles have always been way behind computers when it comes to hardware.
I don't understand how anyone would expect this to be any different.

[scaleworm]

Seemed to spend a lot of time talking up "instant" aka streamed gaming. Not even downloading to your machine, straight "remote server gaming." This is the gaming I disagree with most, because once those servers shut down, the game is lost forever.

Oh well, greed is greed after-all.
I spent some time chatting with a fellow (younger) gamer today, and I think the move is due to years of out right theft.

If a fox keeps stealing from a chicken coop, then farmer brown is either gonna' make her chicken coop that much more secure, or she will keep losing her chickens.
The coop(s) are a gettin' really high tech now.... boys and girls. No more lost chickens.
Plus when the chickens get old they get killed off to make room for new ones...

(btw this is an analogy regarding B.C., and dead or missing future games/servers....).

[scaleworm]

Consoles have always been way behind computers when it comes to hardware.
I don't understand how anyone would expect this to be any different.

Fully agreed.

[Press_Start]

I fear though since they went through the specs hardware wise right down to the wire our fears of physical media becoming a complete thing of the past is absolutely true.

Probably. But it's too soon for its time, imo. My 8 gig WiiU update took 1 hour to d/l in the dead of night. How long do you think a 50 gig COD game d/l by tens of millions of gamers at the same time would take....hours, days, maybe a week? No matter how you slice it such a strain would be a heavy burden on current data networks even with PS4's new "partial play" feature. I think it's one of those technological step you can't force into it without the rest of the world catching up.

[The 1 2 P]

I missed the last 10-15 minutes because Arrow came on. They were just starting to talk about Bungie and Destiny. Did I miss anything else important?

[kedawa]

Probably. But it's too soon for its time, imo. My 8 gig WiiU update took 1 hour to d/l in the dead of night. How long do you think a 50 gig COD game d/l by tens of millions of gamers at the same time would take....hours, days, maybe a week? No matter how you slice it such a strain would be a heavy burden on current data networks even with PS4's new "partial play" feature. I think it's one of those technological step you can't force into it without the rest of the world catching up.

PC games faced the same issue, but the solution was pretty simple; allow people to pre-order and pre-download the game well ahead of the launch so that come release day, the data is already on the system.

[Orion Pimpdaddy]

Seemed to spend a lot of time talking up "instant" aka streamed gaming. Not even downloading to your machine, straight "remote server gaming." This is the gaming I disagree with most, because once those servers shut down, the game is lost forever.

That's not what I took away by the "instant" theme. They meant that the time it takes to start up and play a game is getting reduced. For example, you can hibernate a game and then hit a button and resume playing the next day. Also, you can play downloadable games AS they are being downloaded (not streamed), and they seemed to suggest the startup sequence when turning on the system will be quick.

[scaleworm]

PC games faced the same issue, but the solution was pretty simple; allow people to pre-order and pre-download the game well ahead of the launch so that come release day, the data is already on the system.

Agreed. pre-ordered, preloaded directly frrm the manufacturer (as in MS and PS networks, as for Destiny).

Has anyone else noticed that gamestop is selling more and more non-game related stuff. Beats for God's sake are there now (btw THE world's worse overpriced music missing heavily counterfeited headphones)
I think that gamestop's days are n u m b e r e d........ dum dum da dum....

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Can't think of anything that they showed that I didn't like.

Super developer friendly system with the support of all of the major studios, refinement of social features (friend list, multiplayer experience), refinement/evolution of existing controller and move tech, integration with 3rd party hardware like tablets and PCs, game streaming tech, expanded functionality for Vita ... I can't think of anything else that I was hoping for/dreaming of.

Other than those pining the loss of physical backwards compatibility (which was always going to happen if they were going to move away from Cell processors for the sake of making a more developer friendly system) or those who were desperate to see what the box itself looked like I'm not sure what all the unimpressed were hoping for beyond what was shown.

Is there anybody who was unimpressed that can give us some specific detail on what you were hoping for that they didn't deliver on?

[Greg2600]

Oh well, greed is greed after-all.
I spent some time chatting with a fellow (younger) gamer today, and I think the move is due to years of out right theft.

What theft? There's no theft of current gen console games.

[scaleworm]

What theft? There's no theft of current gen console games.

i.e. "emulators" many, are my reference points.
Theft killed the DC.

[fluid_matrix]

nope sadly. Which kinda made me go "well why did you even call for this conference then if you don't wanna show us the console?"

why rush a huge announcement when you don't even show the "final" product?

i.e. "emulators" many, are my reference points.
Theft killed the DC.

I thought the PS2 killed the DC.

[Griking]

Other than the partnership with Blizzard and the coming of Diablo III I'm unimpressed

I wonder what Sony's answer would be if they were asked if they felt that the PS3 achieved expectations.