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    I was wanting to pick up some SFC titles that are usually cheaper than their US versions, namely Kirby's Dreamland 3. Will Japanese SA-1 games still work on my US SNES even with the SA-1 chip, or does it just lock it out of PAL systems? Just a gamer wanting to save a chunk on these old games, but the whole SA-1 region-locking thing has me concerned...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coreykun667 View Post
    I was wanting to pick up some SFC titles that are usually cheaper than their US versions, namely Kirby's Dreamland 3. Will Japanese SA-1 games still work on my US SNES even with the SA-1 chip, or does it just lock it out of PAL systems? Just a gamer wanting to save a chunk on these old games, but the whole SA-1 region-locking thing has me concerned...
    All Japanese games will work in a US system. Just remove the tabs from the SNES cart slot.

    PAL is a big mess and you need converters and stuff for specific games. Japan and the US are NTSC region anyway so I dont know why youre concerned with European region PAL.

    Getting Euro PAL games to work on a US or Japan NTSC console and vice versa is a big pain in the ass
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parodius Duh! View Post
    All Japanese games will work in a US system. Just remove the tabs from the SNES cart slot.

    PAL is a big mess and you need converters and stuff for specific games. Japan and the US are NTSC region anyway so I dont know why youre concerned with European region PAL.

    Getting Euro PAL games to work on a US or Japan NTSC console and vice versa is a big pain in the ass
    Ohh ok. I was under the impression that SA-1 locked out US and PAL systems from playing the Japanese SA-1 games. So long story short, the Japanese version of Kirby's Dreamland 3 will play, even being that it's an SA-1 game I assume?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coreykun667 View Post
    Ohh ok. I was under the impression that SA-1 locked out US and PAL systems from playing the Japanese SA-1 games. So long story short, the Japanese version of Kirby's Dreamland 3 will play, even being that it's an SA-1 game I assume?
    Yes any and all SFC games will work in a US SNES.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parodius Duh! View Post
    Yes any and all SFC games will work in a US SNES.
    Woot! Thanks man!

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    A couple alternatives to hacking up a SNES:

    Some games will work (not all) using a bare Game Genie PCB (out of its shell to accommodate the larger Super Famicom game case).

    If I was really serious about it, I'd just get a converter PCB (basically just an extension of the cartridge connector with no electronics).

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    Can't play SA-1 games with a Game Genie and there aren't a whole lot of adapters with the extra pins for special chip games out there. Waste of money and effort trying to track one down if you ask me. Takes 2 minutes to snap the tabs. Hardly "hacking" it up if you ask me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wiggyx View Post
    Can't play SA-1 games with a Game Genie and there aren't a whole lot of adapters with the extra pins for special chip games out there. Waste of money and effort trying to track one down if you ask me. Takes 2 minutes to snap the tabs. Hardly "hacking" it up if you ask me.
    Yeah that's what I'd planned to do. I should have a game bit headed my way. Shame I couldn't find any offline though.

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    just take needle nose pliers and pull the tabs left and right and they will break off cleanly, you could even get crazy and take the top shell off and go in and sand the remaining bits flush with the plastic. Hardly hacking it up indeed, literally takes two seconds and your free to game on in the amazing SFC world..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parodius Duh! View Post
    just take needle nose pliers and pull the tabs left and right and they will break off cleanly, you could even get crazy and take the top shell off and go in and sand the remaining bits flush with the plastic. Hardly hacking it up indeed, literally takes two seconds and your free to game on in the amazing SFC world..
    Yeah, I just got a complete set of the Super Famicom Rockman games. It's amazing how much you save by buying the Japanese versions, you know?

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    Plus Korean works too. If not much real point in that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wiggyx View Post
    Can't play SA-1 games with a Game Genie and there aren't a whole lot of adapters with the extra pins for special chip games out there. Waste of money and effort trying to track one down if you ask me. Takes 2 minutes to snap the tabs. Hardly "hacking" it up if you ask me.
    I like how you admit that it involves damage but that's not "hacking." I don't care if somebody wants to do it, but I don't know where the hostility towards mooting some different options comes from. Knowledge is power, even if it's not used. Sheesh. However - given that there don't seem to be any simple PCB extenders (would be a simple thing to make, but PCBs are still expensive to run, especially in a small batch), it's just a theoretical possibility, unfortunately. I know I'd buy one, but not at great cost.
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    You don't even have to cut the tabs on the SNES. You can just as easily unscrew the system shell with a game bit and play Super Famicom games with the top shell off, then just put it back on when you're done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Oscuro View Post
    I like how you admit that it involves damage but that's not "hacking." I don't care if somebody wants to do it, but I don't know where the hostility towards mooting some different options comes from. Knowledge is power, even if it's not used. Sheesh. However - given that there don't seem to be any simple PCB extenders (would be a simple thing to make, but PCBs are still expensive to run, especially in a small batch), it's just a theoretical possibility, unfortunately. I know I'd buy one, but not at great cost.
    I never said it involves "damage" and I'm sorry you took my reply as "hostile". Wasn't meant to be, it's just that you pretty much ignored the question of the OP, which was whether or playing SFC SA-1 chip games on a US SNES is possible (again, can't be done with a GG or 99% of pass through adapters).

    I recall you doing something similar when someone asked about a good LCD/Plasma TV on which to play retro games (and they specifically cited that they did NOT want a CRT), and then you went on to insist that they should purchase a CRT. I think ignoring the OP and recommending something that isn't at all helpful or what they asked for is more hostile than anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coreykun667 View Post
    Yeah, I just got a complete set of the Super Famicom Rockman games. It's amazing how much you save by buying the Japanese versions, you know?
    Absolutely. They tend to be cheaper and theres a ton of great exclusives that never came here. Have fun theres a ton of cool titles to try! Check these exclusives out if youre into platforming and action titles:

    Sandra No Daibouken
    Go Go Ackman series
    Super Ninja Kun
    Magical Pop'n
    Do Re Mi Fantasy
    Majuuou (King of Demons)
    Super Back to the Future II
    Mazinger Z

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parodius Duh! View Post
    Absolutely. They tend to be cheaper and theres a ton of great exclusives that never came here. Have fun theres a ton of cool titles to try! Check these exclusives out if youre into platforming and action titles:

    Sandra No Daibouken
    Go Go Ackman series
    Super Ninja Kun
    Magical Pop'n
    Do Re Mi Fantasy
    Majuuou (King of Demons)
    Super Back to the Future II
    Mazinger Z
    Thanks! I'll have to look into these. I really enjoyed Super Back to the Future II when I played it, but these sound like some pretty great titles!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiggyx View Post
    I never said it involves "damage" and I'm sorry you took my reply as "hostile". Wasn't meant to be, it's just that you pretty much ignored the question of the OP, which was whether or playing SFC SA-1 chip games on a US SNES is possible (again, can't be done with a GG or 99% of pass through adapters).
    Maybe I am being hypersensitive or hypocritical here, but I just don't see the need for any reaction to mentioning the alternatives, especially when it comes with overtones of the extended discussion not being welcome: I don't think you know what a Forum is for. Nobody "owns" a topic, although I would draw the line at diverting the topic without answering the OP - which you will note didn't happen here, at least not until random (and useless) complaints about my post started showing up, and the original question was answered (but only in one way). There's no harm in getting extra info out there and starting new lines of discussion. I feel my post is worthwhile if it made somebody think about the issue in a way they hadn't before, or considered doing things differently - even if they ended up taking somebody else's advice. For example, your pointing out that SA-1 titles aren't not going to work with the Game Genie is a worthy contribution to the topic. Why can't we have the discussion take a direction more like that?

    What is a waste is belaboring the obvious - railing against my little suggestions by stating that it would take "time and money" to try to find a non-destructive route for playing SFC games on a SNES, which I don't deny. For some people, having a pristine, untouched SNES will be worth it. There's no call for "if you ask me" posts which really aim to belittle somebody differing opinion. The sad thing is that Rick Stilwell has pointed out another possibility but it's getting drowned out because let's fight like cavemen over whose opinion is the strongest hurr

    That said, it is strange you're apparently now fighting to not go on record agreeing with my statement that tabs-out means damage to the the SNES shell (which it does, even though it's prompted by an original design flaw; the "mod" doesn't look as nice and leaves a gap for dust and other obnoxious stuff to crawl into), and it serves no purpose.

    I'm not going to go over the whole CRT issue again, and it's especially stupid to bring it up now because I don't think I left any hint, here, suggesting that what people want to do with their own machines is wrong. (I didn't last time, either, but you never seemed able to comprehend that fact.)

    So, how about dem adapters? Aussie2B had one here for sale some years before the Wiggy era, and some Canadian bloke had one on eBay recently. I think all this really entails is just a straight PCB with traces straight through; it's a bit puzzling to me there aren't more out there because you can order a similar product for the Sega Master System, by default in a "more system-tab-friendly" variant, even.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wiggyx View Post
    or 99% of pass through adapters).
    Yup NTSC-specific SNES import adapters are rather scarce compared to PAL.

    You can immediately tell an NTSC one, no extra socket for lockout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw View Post
    Yup NTSC-specific SNES import adapters are rather scarce compared to PAL.

    You can immediately tell an NTSC one, no extra socket for lockout.
    See, this is the kind of discussion we have when we can chill and just relax in the info

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Oscuro View Post
    the "mod" doesn't look as nice and leaves a gap for dust and other obnoxious stuff to crawl into
    How does cutting off a couple of tabs inside a covered cart slot introduce more dust?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloBoy View Post
    How does cutting off a couple of tabs inside a covered cart slot introduce more dust?
    I have no idea, but my idea introduces plenty of dust during the play session.

    If I was going to butcher some plastic I'd rather do it to a cheap ugly unit I found at a thrift store, like mine which doesn't even have the dust cover for the cartridge slot. $5 deck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloBoy View Post
    How does cutting off a couple of tabs inside a covered cart slot introduce more dust?
    Good question

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Oscuro View Post
    Maybe I am being hypersensitive or hypocritical here, but I just don't see the need for any reaction to mentioning the alternatives, especially when it comes with overtones of the extended discussion not being welcome: I don't think you know what a Forum is for. Nobody "owns" a topic, although I would draw the line at diverting the topic without answering the OP - which you will note didn't happen here, at least not until random (and useless) complaints about my post started showing up, and the original question was answered (but only in one way). There's no harm in getting extra info out there and starting new lines of discussion. I feel my post is worthwhile if it made somebody think about the issue in a way they hadn't before, or considered doing things differently - even if they ended up taking somebody else's advice. For example, your pointing out that SA-1 titles aren't not going to work with the Game Genie is a worthy contribution to the topic. Why can't we have the discussion take a direction more like that?

    What is a waste is belaboring the obvious - railing against my little suggestions by stating that it would take "time and money" to try to find a non-destructive route for playing SFC games on a SNES, which I don't deny. For some people, having a pristine, untouched SNES will be worth it. There's no call for "if you ask me" posts which really aim to belittle somebody differing opinion. The sad thing is that Rick Stilwell has pointed out another possibility but it's getting drowned out because let's fight like cavemen over whose opinion is the strongest hurr

    That said, it is strange you're apparently now fighting to not go on record agreeing with my statement that tabs-out means damage to the the SNES shell (which it does, even though it's prompted by an original design flaw; the "mod" doesn't look as nice and leaves a gap for dust and other obnoxious stuff to crawl into), and it serves no purpose.

    I'm not going to go over the whole CRT issue again, and it's especially stupid to bring it up now because I don't think I left any hint, here, suggesting that what people want to do with their own machines is wrong. (I didn't last time, either, but you never seemed able to comprehend that fact.)

    So, how about dem adapters? Aussie2B had one here for sale some years before the Wiggy era, and some Canadian bloke had one on eBay recently. I think all this really entails is just a straight PCB with traces straight through; it's a bit puzzling to me there aren't more out there because you can order a similar product for the Sega Master System, by default in a "more system-tab-friendly" variant, even.
    So you are welcome to give your opinion (even when it doesn't help to answer the OP's Q), but I can't share mine regarding what I feel is a waste of time when trying to play SFC games on the SNES? Yes, hypocritical.

    We did. All I said was that the SA-1 chip games won't work with the GG and that I think it's both difficult and a waste of time to track down a pass through which will allow that. That's me adding info (i.e. a pass through that will offer what the OP needs is going to be pricey and hard to track down).

    So you don't argue with my point. What's the issue then exactly? Do you not like that I feel it would be a waste of time to do so? You feel that breaking the tabs is not the best route to go, and I feel that tracking down a pricey adapter is a waste. I don't take it personally that you don't like the tabs to be broken from the SNES, and my opinion about pricey adapters really has nothing to do with you personally.

    I'm not gonna argue semantics with ya. You're welcome to label it as "damage", but don't insist that I called or regard it as such. The mod can be done so that it looks factory and I have no clue what you mean by letting extra dust in or that it "serves no purpose"(?).




    I use that thread as another example of how you disregard/misinterpret/misunderstand the questions which people ask, whether it be intentional or not.


    There probably aren't a lot of those adapters available at this point because modifying the console itself is so damned easy and pretty much free. You could easily buy 2 or more SNES units for the or the price of that adapter. Soyou could keep your original SNES pristine, and then buy another to modify.

    Also, there's this goofy option.

    http://www.consolegoods.co.uk/

    (under SNES, "SNES SFX (Super FX) import adaptor/convertor")
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    I have to start out by acknowledging that yeah, I do come across as questioning the tab modification, but I think that's a reasonable opinion to have. If everything in the hobby came down only to money, shit, we'd all be bootleggers. However you respond with a strident "that's a stupid thing to say, if you ask me" type post in response to that, so you don't have any reason to act "holier than thou," either. We probably both should stop being so defensive about what other people write in response to what we write, but frankly, your first post in response to me is more obviously defensive and seeking to attack a legitimate opinion than mine. And that takes me to the second point...

    About this whole "you don't answer the question" smear you're trying to stick on me: You admit there already was an answer to the topic, and no attempt to suppress it, so the charge doesn't even make sense. At the same time, it's not an exhaustive answer, and I attempted to offer some other ideas - you're just being nonsensical when you accuse me of not trying to answer the question. As you note, I gave two other potential answers (one tentative, because I didn't remember if it worked for the SA-1, and of course I was corrected, no harm done although of course I wouldn't have mentioned it if I had remembered correctly). Like I said, I don't hold other people to some personal standard about what information they should use, but "if you ask me" you show nothing but contempt for anybody who tries to offer another opinion, and that is not a healthy thing for a Forum. Incidentally, I was the first person to open up another line of conversation which other people have tried to follow (Rick Stilwell, theclaw) in between the wreckage of our rather stupid and wholly unnecessary squabble.

    I'll do my best to be more respectful but that's a two-way street, man, excuse the cliche.

    I'm chill. You gonna be?
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    That's just the way I operate. If I don't find what other people are saying is useful to me or the person asking the question, I just try to come up with an idea that makes the one being argued about less important to even argue about anymore. People would go "forget these guys, this guy's idea is even better."

    The solution I actually used first was to take my old FC Twin (which I bought only to play NES games with an SNES controller) and do the tab cutting on it. Because #1 being a cheap clone they should have already made it non-region locked like the rest of them, and #2 the games ran much more accurately for SNES than for NES so I didn't mind playing my only PAL SNES game Mr. Nutz on it. The only problem is that that solution probably wouldn't work with certain copies of games with special chips because the FC Twin model had come out before the other clones that fixed those issues.
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