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    Default Whats your take on "Hidden Gems" videos on Youtube?

    Do you fell that this drives up the price of games that are already expensive, or do you think its alright? There are some games I never knew that could be pretty good but on the other hand it could drive the price up especially if the person has a lot of subs. Example Mike Matei did a couple and Metal Jesus Rocks does so many. This guy has got a crap load of games. I'm expecting him to come out with a Philips CD-i hidden gems one day, and his buddy Reggie to come with a Gizmondo hidden gems

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    As a fan of Metal Jesus, I can assure you his "hidden gems" are not so hidden. Ha ha. I usually don't pay them much mind, because the videos tend to flip through the games too quickly.
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    I find them to be an absolute curse when the video maker has a large enough impact/over all audience. NA was going ballistic over it a couple years back and off and on ever since. Someone actually went as far as correlating the videos on Cinemassacre by Mike Mattei with the horrid uptick in the price of games both on the NES and SNES. Shortly after those suckers went live back then the prices on things like Hagane, Run Saber, and various others rocketed up just after the fact. Various other polluters like Game Chasers have done the same, but also magnified the problem horribly so in their local areas and are well known among collectors as a curse to any store they've hit in the Texas/Arkansas areas they roll to. People learn they have stuff and for low prices after the video and find where it is, the store catches on shortly after and all the prices escalate a lot and the stock/variety drops because their regulars and informed types stop buying and turning stuff in because they get screwed on both ends (trade and pricing.)

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    I wouldn't mind hidden gem videos as much if they mentioned how common the games were so people wouldn't start overpaying for them. Or if these people just reviewed good games without describing them as "hidden gems".

    I really dislike the Game Chasers. They make it obvious they're video taping for a show when they're looking for "bargains" so sellers will always become aware of what they should price higher. Even when stuff is really common and they pay average prices for them anyway. Plus everything is focused on the values, showing just how well they did with their finds.

    The way Lazy Game Reviews does thrift store hunts is much better. He uses a hidden camera to avoid drawing attention to what he's doing, and he's not just going after valuable stuff for bragging rights or profiting. Even if stuff isn't particularly valuable, he goes after and shows interesting looking items. He's actually enjoyable to watch and listen to.

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    I can't stand the pickups videos and game hunt videos where they show how much money they saved. That I think is the worst for prices. I do like Pat Contri's Flea Market Madness cuz he's just funny, and Frank is awesome, but I feel those shows are more to give people tips on how to find good stuff. I'm pretty good on my own, I'd rather just go out to the flea market myself then watch other people hitting the bricks at home. What's the fun in that?

    I do like Metal Jesus Rocks tho cuz he does touch on some games that I haven't heard of, although lotsa his hidden gems aren't too hidden. He does give me some cheap titles to look out for though or try out. Especially on the PS2. I feel most of the other stuff he shows aren't really that hidden like Mischief Makers on N64 and stuff like that. He's not exactly the brightest guy either, or wittiest, but I still enjoy his videos.

    Retro Liberty are ok, they make funny videos too, but they tend to be annoying to me in terms of always being like, "Oh we're gonna find little samson" and stuff like that.

    I still watch the videos tho, so am I a hypocrite? I like Pat Contri's game reviews, also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanooki View Post
    I find them to be an absolute curse when the video maker has a large enough impact/over all audience. NA was going ballistic over it a couple years back and off and on ever since.
    That's a classic issue of pot, kettle, black, because there are more than enough fools at NA who have been willing to inflate the prices of just about anything for the NES and Super NES in order to wave their e-peens around.
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    Wow really? You're going to tear into me because I post at NA. That's rich. I'm not a collector. I don't bask in repeatedly fleecing people for pennies on stuff to then do videos or pics to gloat on there. I'm aware of the problem there at NA that people use the site to do just what you said, but it doesn't mean everyone competes there to do that. Over time I've moved towards not saying much on what I get, and if I feel I'd end up selling it I don't even list a price like many tasteless boobs do as they're putting up their sellers thread listing. One dude got Bonk for $12, gloated, then put it up for a 'quick sale' for $275.

    Like GameGuy and Arkanoid said, it's the jerks who go out there like they're a cable tv production thing very visible, acting it up, talking about how cheap this or or rare that is, and what the end up saving. Only a boob behind the counter wouldn't overhear or catch onto that, and those who are boobs get tipped off anyway by the influx of business who suck the place dry like a succubus, in love with the victim and taking it for all it can leech out of it.

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    I really enjoy pickup videos from Metal Jesus, Adam Koralik, AlphaOmegaSin, Pete Dorr, and Gamester81, among others. They are passionate about the stuff, and don't just flip through the games with disregard. Often I'm pulled into buying something because of their views/reviews on the games. It's an educational process. They also don't quite prices very much, and they promote the stores they visit. Speaking of stores, Toy Ratt's store tour (new items) is hilarious and very cool.

    Just don't view those kinds of videos as negative for the hobby. Don't you want more people to get into collecting? That's a bad thing now? I will concur that I really can't watch Game Chasers. I find way too much of what they do comes off as highly fake. Plus they're obnoxious. To blame them or any of the review videos for the increase in the price for Hagane is not fair though. What about Earthbound? It's rarely mentioned/reviewed by the casual game reviewers.
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    Here's what Mike Matei did. I don't like it all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanooki View Post
    Someone actually went as far as correlating the videos on Cinemassacre by Mike Mattei with the horrid uptick in the price of games both on the NES and SNES. Shortly after those suckers went live back then the prices on things like Hagane, Run Saber, and various others rocketed up just after the fact.
    Not so fast, cheech. Hagane is a direct result of the vaunted NA's effect. If you don't believe me, read the third post, by the guy claiming responsibility.

    The prices these days are indirectly due to a lot of factors, not just Youtube video producers. Rise of sites like NA (I'll spare you the diatribe), misinformation (rental exclusivity, etc), growth of the reseller market and prime nostalgia all factor in. The golden age of game collecting ended in 2006 or 2007. Things just took a wild upswing in demand and subsequent value and it hasn't looked back since. They'll come down when the whole collector market crashes on the backs of NES coming off peak, but when that will begin is unknown - best guess 2-3 years.

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    I remember that post when it was made and I think it could be a piece of the puzzle, but mostly he was just trying to get some attention and thinking a bit too much of his own power to cause such things alone. I know a lot of factors are in there, but it's a good mix of youtube, predatory resellers(those who buy for cash off the widest margins, not to buy into their own collection, even NA which I get that one entirely since I'm favored there for being corrected for not being lock step with the collector/protectionist thing, etc.) I respect your knowledge on enough, I know you're not loved at all over there yet the reasons seems to uncomfortably fit with what I off and on over time have taken hits for too, so I hope you're right about another few years for that moment to happen. When the NES and I think SNES fall off peak it'll crack because the N64 GC and Wii never had a big consumer love affair and handheld is an entire other side beast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg2600 View Post
    I really enjoy pickup videos from Metal Jesus, Adam Koralik, AlphaOmegaSin, Pete Dorr, and Gamester81, among others. They are passionate about the stuff, and don't just flip through the games with disregard. Often I'm pulled into buying something because of their views/reviews on the games. It's an educational process. They also don't quite prices very much, and they promote the stores they visit. Speaking of stores, Toy Ratt's store tour (new items) is hilarious and very cool.

    Just don't view those kinds of videos as negative for the hobby. Don't you want more people to get into collecting? That's a bad thing now? I will concur that I really can't watch Game Chasers. I find way too much of what they do comes off as highly fake. Plus they're obnoxious. To blame them or any of the review videos for the increase in the price for Hagane is not fair though. What about Earthbound? It's rarely mentioned/reviewed by the casual game reviewers.
    You mean you don't like the "Robot"? What is it that you find fake?

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    The premise is fake. Everywhere they go is heavily setup ahead of time, and I found the same thing with their "finds." The Flintstones NES found at a retro game store for what $5? Give me a break. Ruined the show for me, can't watch it.
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    Wild Guns was already on the rise soon after the Virtual Console release in like 2008.
    I can remember playing it, thinking I'd like a physical copy, but didn't buy when it was like a $60 game.

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    As a content creator myself I really like making hidden gem videos most of all, because I feel like there are so many games that deserve spotlight that just don't get it.

    It does suck that showcasing underrated games can cause their prices to surge, but that's not enough of a reason for me to not want to do this. Last year, I ran a 100 episode webseries called Uncommon Game Showcase. This year, I'm thinking of doing something similar, but in 720p HD and speficially for underrated gems.
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    Wow I didn't even notice Wild Guns made it to the Wii on it's virtual console and that's pretty cool. The style of game that cart is would be super well suited to the VC because it's a short game with easy to pick up and play mechanics, but it doesn't spoon feed you a victory because it can be mean even on easy. I've got the cart, thankfully I bagged it I think a year and a half ago now $50 as the going rate is sick.

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    I don't mind it. If I like the video, I'll watch. If I don't, I won't. Simple as that. Guess it helps for me in the sense that I've pretty much stopped buying long ago, due to finishing my collection a while back and truly, being at peace with it. So these videos and price spikes don't affect me any. For those that it does, it is what it is. Some videos are entertaining, others not so much.

    Also feel for the most part "hidden gem" is such an overused thing these days. Maybe 8, 10 years ago a lot of these games qualified as such, but most, like Hagane, Wild Guns and so forth really aren't anymore today, and haven't been for YEARS now. But people will do what they want to do, and I say, more power to ya.

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    I enjoy pickup/game hunting videos, as well as hidden gem videos. I don't get bent out of shape if something is really "hidden" or a true "gem" or not, as all that of that is pretty subjective anyways. And yeah, it sucks that these shows and videos to play a part in driving up the price, but so have internet forums for the longest time. If you think about it, if there were no youtube and no forums, we could all be out there finding lumps of games on the cheap. But with the net we share information, and it's natural that people will share the ins and outs, the joys, etc. of their hobbies with like-minded people. Personally, I'd rather be a collector and deal with the uptick in prices, than be a collector who cannot freely share in the joy of the hobby with others as we all do here, on other forums, or on youtube and the like.

    Now, about some of the accusations and...less than charitable vibes....going on here.I find it ridiculous that people swear up and down that the Game Chasers stage their show because they made a few really good finds. Conversely, I seldom see many questions raised when a faceless forum member makes some amazing find. Just because the Game Chasers show doesn't look like it was shot by a 5 year old and they made some nice finds doesn't mean it's staged. I've never scored a deal like those few on their show, but that doesn't mean it does not happen. I've met quite a few people who have had some great finds that are similar to theirs, yet I don't see a reason to doubt them. Nor would I doubt their integrity more if they happened to record it...especially if they spent a lot of time recording themselves as they look for games.

    I also think it's kind of funny that we're getting some of the "I like so-and-so because of A B C, but I don't like so-and-so because of X Y Z", when they are all pretty much doing the same thing that this topic is asking about: drawing attention to games and in some way influencing the price of the games. If you like someone, cool. If you don't, cool. But don't try to act like some are excused because of arbitrary reasons while others are held to some different standard.
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    I enjoy them, and the effects on the systems I collect for have largely been done. Can't change that fact, so I take it in stride instead of bitching about it. pre-2009 pricing will likely never be back so I've accepted it. It's either that or get out of the hobby, but I have too much passion for the hobby and enjoy it too much to do that.

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    Personally I've always enjoyed these videos because I'm not an active collector. I just like learning about games I had no clue on.

    As far as youtubers having an effect on the market, I think its cool. If someone wants to drum up the value of a game like Little Samson which I happen to own already... that's cool for me obviously! I can see where that might frustrate someone who doesn't yet own it, but its the nature of this sort of thing.

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