Opinions On Nintendo Age?

[Gameguy]

I know what's tolerated, that was the point, it's hypcrisy as they're all equally wrong. Picking which is more wrong over less wrong is just to excuse the behavior.

There is a difference between bootlegged items and pirated items, it's slight but there is a difference.

As for what you said about the tray being near indistinguishable from the original, it just goes like I said that this stuff is made to just rip people off. As for OCD, I don't see the point of spending money on fake items unless it's because of OCD. Let's say your copy is missing the tray, you could easily keep it as is without the tray, but you have the compulsion to have the tray so you need to buy a fake to replace it. Same with a label, it's not like the game won't work with a beat up or missing label. Why spend money on these things if it's not a compulsion?

I would rather own a real Timex than a fake Rolex, I don't see the point to owning fake goods just to show off. I don't need to show anything off because I'm not insecure and don't need to value my own worth based on the value of my possessions(or perceived value if trying to show off to others). If I can't afford the real thing, I'll either wait to come across it by chance at a thrift store or yard sale, or I'll live without it. The people who need fake bags or fake watches are the same people who get fake tans, superficial and insecure.

[Guntz]

There does come a point where fighting for authenticity is utterly moronic. There have been NintendoAge threads where people questioned replacing batteries because of authenticity, preferring extremely specific general purpose PCB parts in game repairs and by far the most debated is picking the correct back labels for games.

[Niku-Sama]

out of curiosity and I am not bringing this up to harp on you but I wonder....

how do they feel about your famicom / super famicom translated carts at NA Guntz?

[Guntz]

Technically they're all bootlegs, but seeing how naysayers of the NA effect get banned, might as well join them. I don't agree with a lot of their practices, but I myself like repro/translated carts (to be completely fair, I am not bothered by counterfeits). My absolute favorite is unreleased prototypes though.

[Niku-Sama]

well I was wondering.
honestly I have been eyeballing a few of your translations but I cant quite do it, atleast not till I get my mess under control
you don't by chance go to any conventions with them do you?

[JSoup]

What gets me is when people get up in my business about something I'm doing for myself and that's it. Take Harvest Moon (SNES) as an example. It's one of my favorite SNES games, but I have it loose. I decided a few years ago that I'd eventually track down a box. Looking into the prices, seeing that the custom printed ones I can buy off DeviantArt or similar are cheaper and of generally higher quality (and, by the way, note "this is a reproduction" somewhere on the box), I've chosen to buy a reproduction box whenever I get around to it. I don't care if it's authentic, as I'm not looking to archive my game or make a complete set for flipping. I'm getting it for me because I'd like it and it'll look nice on my shelve. Could it eventually make it's way on to eBay or something and theoretically be mistaken for something authentic? Sure, but we're talking decades down the line, maybe longer if any kids I may or may not someday have decide to hold on to all my old junk after I'm gone.

But I still get shit talkers from all ends, here, NA and vbender, who all are on about how I'm ruining the hobby or some nonsense.

[Bing147]

I agree with others that anything that could be mistaken for an original by a well informed collector should be clearly labeled reproduction somewhere. Your Harvest Moon box is fine as long as it says that somewhere, even if it's rather small. (readable though) Anything short of that isn't okay to me. Replacing labels? I don't see the point but if you want it fine, but label it what it is. There are a million ways our games could end up back in the general population and so we can't guarantee that we'll be there to inform the next buyer. (or that they'll do so for that matter) It's not needed with something like a US Terranigma or Secret of Mana 2 because those games don't exist and even some very basic research will tell you that. They don't need the same protections. Basically if I can't quickly research it or I'll need a magnifying glass to tell if it's real, it's just out to fool people and it's not okay.

[leatherrebel5150]

Im not a very active member on here, more so on NA, but some of the way people act on their has always drove me nuts. I used to love reading Tanooki's posts on there because I almost always agreed with him. I had a pissing match of sorts on their a couple of months ago in a thread where someone wanted to replace their label with an authentic one and I forget which member but it basically boiled down to me arguing for personal property rights and their socialistic "bad for the collective" nonsense. I could never understand that way of thinking on there. Ive said it on an NA and Ill say it here some of those guys wouldn't last a day in other hobbies where stuff is reproduced. A good example is classic car stuff. I bought new fenders for my firebird, they have no markings of any kind, are identical to original, and are not from the original manufacture so dear god the world must be ending.

http://i.imgur.com/6GEIUBw.jpg

Last I checked when I buy something its my right to do what I please with it. But not to some of the tyrants over there. Im actually surprised I never had any issues over there from the top. Some of you may remember I use to make Repros and sold them on there for years, the majority of which were unreleased in the US but I did also do the Panesian Trio. They were different in that they were in standard grey shells and had reproduction incorporated into the label (which Bouncedelemos on there did incredibly well) but even following those kind of guide lines I was still waiting for the day when someone bitched about it and they would come after me. Luckily it never happened

[o.pwuaioc]

Im not a very active member on here, more so on NA, but some of the way people act on their has always drove me nuts. I used to love reading Tanooki's posts on there because I almost always agreed with him. I had a pissing match of sorts on their a couple of months ago in a thread where someone wanted to replace their label with an authentic one and I forget which member but it basically boiled down to me arguing for personal property rights and their socialistic "bad for the collective" nonsense. I could never understand that way of thinking on there. Ive said it on an NA and Ill say it here some of those guys wouldn't last a day in other hobbies where stuff is reproduced. A good example is classic car stuff. I bought new fenders for my firebird, they have no markings of any kind, are identical to original, and are not from the original manufacture so dear god the world must be ending.

http://i.imgur.com/6GEIUBw.jpg

Last I checked when I buy something its my right to do what I please with it. But not to some of the tyrants over there. Im actually surprised I never had any issues over there from the top. Some of you may remember I use to make Repros and sold them on there for years, the majority of which were unreleased in the US but I did also do the Panesian Trio. They were different in that they were in standard grey shells and had reproduction incorporated into the label (which Bouncedelemos on there did incredibly well) but even following those kind of guide lines I was still waiting for the day when someone bitched about it and they would come after me. Luckily it never happened

As stupid as their policies might be, they are not taking away your right to do anything. You have a right to do what you want with your property, just like they have a right to kick you off their forum (or whatever it is they do to people they disagree with).

Freedom works both ways.

[goldenband]

Why bother buying fake boxes, manuals, labels, or other inserts?

From a gamer's perspective, I really want to have a manual for the games I play. Sure, I can have a PDF on my laptop, but it's not a great way to read or to rapidly flip through looking for something.

Maps are even worse. It's pretty much impossible to get a view of the big picture and the fine details from a scanned map on anything but the largest screen, whereas you can see anything you want instantly with an unfolded paper map.

As for boxes and labels, well, people put reproductions of famous paintings on their walls. Games are aesthetic objects too, and I like the feeling of opening up an RPG and having the thick manual, the detailed cover art, and the map right at hand.

If someone can make me an exact repro of those things, and it costs a fraction of the real deal, then of course I'll be interested -- and I don't mind at all if it says "REPRODUCTION COPY" in small print somewhere.

BTW I wish there were more translated manuals around at reasonable prices. It's awesome that people translate games, but a manual often frames the action and points out small details in the gameplay that aren't otherwise obvious. I can't tell you how many times I've seen someone angrily bitch about something in a game that could've been solved in ten seconds by reading the manual. How many Japanese games seem "inscrutable" and "so Japanese" to angry gamers and frustrated weeaboos, but would be totally straightforward if you could just RTFM?

[Daria]

How many Japanese games seem "inscrutable" and "so Japanese" to angry gamers and frustrated weeaboos, but would be totally straightforward if you could just RTFM?

Reproduction makers don't pass these along but translation patches come bundled with ReadMe files that often do just this. If it's not a direct translation of the manual, there's usually at least an explanation of the controls. You can view all these files independent of downloading the patch at Romhacking.net

[goldenband]

Reproduction makers don't pass these along but translation patches come bundled with ReadMe files that often do just this. If it's not a direct translation of the manual, there's usually at least an explanation of the controls. You can view all these files independent of downloading the patch at Romhacking.net

I've contributed a few translation patches to ROMHacking.net, with a new one coming soon (an NES game, no less). Some amazing work comes out of that site.

But those README files don't really replace the manual. They help, of course, but even the longest and most detailed ones omit things sometimes (especially plot and context), or give things away the original manual wouldn't have done. Some of them are near-walkthroughs!

EDIT: BTW when I was writing that earlier post, I was thinking of Bokosuka Wars. 100% playable in English, but it seems like some bizarro-world attempt at a game if you don't know what's going on. (It may still seem that way once you do know what's going on, but...)

[Tanooki]

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[Daria]

I've contributed a few translation patches to ROMHacking.net, with a new one coming soon (an NES game, no less). Some amazing work comes out of that site.

But those README files don't really replace the manual. They help, of course, but even the longest and most detailed ones omit things sometimes (especially plot and context), or give things away the original manual wouldn't have done. Some of them are near-walkthroughs!

EDIT: BTW when I was writing that earlier post, I was thinking of Bokosuka Wars. 100% playable in English, but it seems like some bizarro-world attempt at a game if you don't know what's going on. (It may still seem that way once you do know what's going on, but...)

I've even seen some bundled with scans of the label and box. Some are just crazy. :P

[Gentlegamer]

I'm against reproductions in so far as they are vehicles for counterfeiting scammers to swindle people.

But on the other hand, the yuppy instant collectors who drop the money that attract the resellers and scammers deserve it for being collectards.

I'm now of the opinion that the scammers should rev up the bootleg machine non stop and ruin the collectability of everything and drive the collectards and resellers out of the hobby. Take it all back to zero.

[o.pwuaioc]

^I can't say I disagree. But then you get people wanting to pay big bucks for bootlegs - you know what thread I'm talking about.

[JSoup]

I'm now of the opinion that the scammers should rev up the bootleg machine non stop and ruin the collectability of everything and drive the collectards and resellers out of the hobby. Take it all back to zero.

It's difficult to predict if it will actually do that, though. I would think it would lower some prices and force the hobby to open up to more people, but there will still be somethings that will always be expensive and some people who will pay extra for a "confirmed authentic copy". It's a similar to the arguments you see when a rare and/or expensive game is released on a virtual gaming platform. "This will lower the prices, fuck those guys!" But it hardly ever does.

[Pikkon]

I'm now of the opinion that the scammers should rev up the bootleg machine non stop and ruin the collectability of everything and drive the collectards and resellers out of the hobby. Take it all back to zero.

Well that wouldn't to difficult to pull off,just buy a shit ton of any rare bootleg snes game from aliexpress and then flood it on ebay.

[Guntz]

well I was wondering.
honestly I have been eyeballing a few of your translations but I cant quite do it, atleast not till I get my mess under control
you don't by chance go to any conventions with them do you?

I've never been to a convention. Shipping to the US isn't really that expensive.

[Gentlegamer]

I've never been to a convention. Shipping to the US isn't really that expensive.

It cost me 17 USD for shipping a CD from British Columbia to Texas. Maybe that seems cheap to Canadians, but not to us.