Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 Western release canned over sexism concerns

[Tupin]

Seems a bit like defeating the point, do you think?

Supposedly it was because the Japanese developers "didn't want to deal with" the accusations that would be thrown their way if it came out in Europe or the US. Other places are encouraging its sale by promoting imports. Your thoughts? I personally might pick up the game because the PS4 is region-free and I think the backlash is silly.

[The 1 2 P]

Well they were probably correct that there would be a fair amount of backlash here in the US and this could have hurt sales. But the Xbox One is region free so those that want to pick it up can still do so.

[Tupin]

Well they were probably correct that there would be a fair amount of backlash here in the US and this could have hurt sales. But the Xbox One is region free so those that want to pick it up can still do so.

Like with any controversy, you'd get people buying the game just to experience it. It happened with Hatred and its AO rating, and a similar thing to this happened with Dragon's Crown scantily clad female characters. All the outrage made the games sell more. Hell, the company that is importing them is getting so many preorders for the game that it wouldn't surprise me if Tecmo changed its tune soon.

[davidbrit2]

And nothing of value was lost.

[Satoshi_Matrix]

I'm not sure how I feel about this. One on hand, I'm absolutely appalled any game at all should have a western release cancelled because of concerns from the anita sarkeesian feminazi movement. because you knwo they'll take this as a "victory" when in fact the only thing they "won" was denying work and profits to American localization teams since this is a niche game and would sell only to a niche crowd and will do so anyway because of region free.

That said, the Dead or Alive Xtreme series has been historically dubious in terms of quality. The original Xbox game was solid in its ideas but the execution of them was haphazard, with a Persona-like attention to time management that I didn't like nor did I feel added anything.

Then the Xbox 360's Xtreme 2 was just bad.

Given the amount of time and how excellent DoA5/Ultimate/LastRound is, I suspect that Tecmo could make a really excellent game....but I'm not sure that will happen. I'm going to wait and see if I can find unbiased reviews. If the game is good, then I'll import, but if it is good, then it'll be the first time for the Xtreme series.


But ultimately, fuck censorship and the anita sarkeesian movement. Almost everything they deem to have a problem with in gaming is ether skewed way out of the reality of the game or is just plain factually wrong. The times they do have legitimate complaints are in games that are clearly made solely for adults and a particular niche. Gaming is art just as film or television is. Denying the release of a game is denying art. Simple as that.

[Gentlegamer]

[theclaw]

Eh. It was never announced for the west in the first place. Giving any kind of explanation, however wise it may have seemed, was just asking for worse backlash than blanket refusal to comment.

[Daria]

Yeah on one hand fuck censorship.

On the other... it's DOA volleyball.

[Zthun]

SJW thought police actually had an effect. Looks like angry joe was wrong. Damn....

[The 1 2 P]

But the Xbox One is region free so those that want to pick it up can still do so.

It looks like they haven't announced an Xbox One version yet, just the other two systems.

[Sailorneorune]

And nothing of value was lost.

^ This.

DOAX has been garbage for as long as I can remember.

My ex thought it was great... I thought it was a great excuse to play something else... namely, Phoenix Wright.

[kupomogli]

I have no interest in DoAX3 but this kind of thing isn't good for the video game industry. Japanese developers are already scared to localize games, because the video gaming market is so small in comparison to everywhere else, this is where these feminists and women's rights people can get their voices heard, but they're ruining the possibility of people to play the games they want. You might not want to play DoAX3, but what about people who actually like it for more than just the boobs? What happens when it's a game that you want to play that just happens to have character models like those in Dragon's Crown? And it's like these people don't even attack every game, it's just random. Look at how many Senran Kagura came to the west, the Hyperdimension Neptunia games, etc, and none of these games were attacked? I know that Satoshi Matrix in particular is a fan of the Hyperdimension Neptunia games, so what if NIS was attacked for that game and backed out on localizing the games. The hate towards the game is just really bad for the video game industry in the west.

[Zthun]

^ This.

DOAX has been garbage for as long as I can remember.

My ex thought it was great... I thought it was a great excuse to play something else... namely, Phoenix Wright.

Maybe so, but I don't think that's the point.

Although after I thought about it, I wonder if this will be a marketing stunt for publicity and they'll eventually release a copy here in the west after much demand.

[Tupin]

What happens when it's a game that you want to play that just happens to have character models like those in Dragon's Crown? And it's like these people don't even attack every game, it's just random. Look at how many Senran Kagura came to the west, the Hyperdimension Neptunia games, etc, and none of these games were attacked? I know that Satoshi Matrix in particular is a fan of the Hyperdimension Neptunia games, so what if NIS was attacked for that game and backed out on localizing the games. The hate towards the game is just really bad for the video game industry in the west.

I know for a fact that Dragon's Crown was attacked for this same issue and so is Senran Kagura. I mean I don't think Senran Kagura is a very good game in terms of being a fun fighting game but I actually saw professional reviews that knocked off points for it being sexist. Like, what? Not too sure about Hyperdimension Neptunia, I'm sure if pushed you'd just get more of the casual racism and cultural ignorance that this crowd seems to be infamous for. It's like how they say "lol these white nerd dudebros want every game to have porn in it" when they're these niche things that are like a Hooters restaurant: having this is the point.

Seriously. I've lost count of how many times they just lapse into bashing Japan and Japanese culture and implying that Western ideals are better. And here we have a living example of a Japanese company influenced by Japanese culture being afraid to make something because of extremist Westerners. Disgusting.

[Emperor Megas]

I loved the original Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball. LOVED IT. My wife loved it, too, and she doesn't play many games. I can't tell you how many hours we put into that silly game. I even put together a soundtrack album for her one year as a stocking stuffer. I know the is more hated than loved, but guess our taste was a little different from the mainstream, because DOA:X and Fuzion Frenzy were played to death in our house.

I was really excited when I found out that they were releasing a sequel on the XBOX360...and then I bought it...and played it. IT'S SO BAD. I mean, I totally get why people are and aren't fans of the first one, that it's not most gamers cup of tea, but they just did a really terrible job with the sequel. The minigames were terrible and impossible to play (for me, anyway), the game play was just weird (I can't really explain it, but it just didn't feel that tight) and they actually removed two player mode...WHAT THE FUCK!? It's fucking VOLLEYBALL! It IS pretty, and I like having an option of which room to stay in, not that it mattered much, but there were things about the game I could never really figure out, or remember, like where the damn gifts you got from Zack went to for one thing. It was just a huge disappointment.

With that said, I'd still like to try the 3 installment and will import grab an import copy at some point if I find it for cheap.

[Dashopepper]

Seriously. I've lost count of how many times they just lapse into bashing Japan and Japanese culture and implying that Western ideals are better. And here we have a living example of a Japanese company influenced by Japanese culture being afraid to make something because of extremist Westerners. Disgusting.

Japan is know for being behind western culture when it comes to equality for women in the home and workplace. You should check out some of the forced rape games before you call Westerners censoring them disgusting.

Also FYI DOA Volleyball is made for 13 year old Japanese boys.

And "Fuck Censorship," Ugg I wish this forum had some more interesting "Fucking Ideas."

[Tupin]

Japan is know for being behind western culture when it comes to equality for women in the home and workplace. You should check out some of the forced rape games before you call Westerners censoring them disgusting.

Also FYI DOA Volleyball is made for 13 year old Japanese boys.

And "Fuck Censorship," Ugg I wish this forum had some more interesting "Fucking Ideas."

Yes, and I'm sure the best way to fix that is a bunch of Westerners being overtly racist at them. You mean the game that was unacceptable and caused issues even in Japan by the way?

[kupomogli]

I know for a fact that Dragon's Crown was attacked for this same issue and so is Senran Kagura. I mean I don't think Senran Kagura is a very good game in terms of being a fun fighting game but I actually saw professional reviews that knocked off points for it being sexist. Like, what? Not too sure about Hyperdimension Neptunia, I'm sure if pushed you'd just get more of the casual racism and cultural ignorance that this crowd seems to be infamous for. It's like how they say "lol these white nerd dudebros want every game to have porn in it" when they're these niche things that are like a Hooters restaurant: having this is the point.

Seriously. I've lost count of how many times they just lapse into bashing Japan and Japanese culture and implying that Western ideals are better. And here we have a living example of a Japanese company influenced by Japanese culture being afraid to make something because of extremist Westerners. Disgusting.

Dragon's Crown was attacked starting a few months prior to the release and more after it was released when it was found out that it was more than just the Sorceress and Amazon, but Senran Kagura, Hyperdimension Neptunia, Akiba's Trip, and others, didn't have news stories on a regular basis that were bashing the games. You may have seen some people complaining about it in the reviews, but it wasn't so bad to where they took to twitter and sent a bunch of hate mail to the developers then later reported it as news. You quoted one long section but I didn't mention Dragon's Crown as one of the games that wasn't, it was two sentences prior.

[Emperor Megas]

Japan is know for being behind western culture when it comes to equality for women in the home and workplace. You should check out some of the forced rape games before you call Westerners censoring them disgusting.

I'm not sure that's a fair equivocation. There's nuance to societal gender roles/norms. But I'm certainly not trying to get into a thing like that here. Addressing the latter issue though, I will add that if you don't like forced rape games, don't play them. I could go on about the forced MURDER games like GTA that flood the Western market but social justice types don't say much about that sort of thing. I don't like games like that, but I don't want them censored though. I just don't play them.

Also FYI DOA Volleyball is made for 13 year old Japanese boys.

Maybe it was (hell, I'm sure Pac-Man was, too), but it certainly wasn't localized in the West for 13 year old Japanese boys.

[kai123]

Japan is know for being behind western culture when it comes to equality for women in the home and workplace. You should check out some of the forced rape games before you call Westerners censoring them disgusting.

Also FYI DOA Volleyball is made for 13 year old Japanese boys.

And "Fuck Censorship," Ugg I wish this forum had some more interesting "Fucking Ideas."

Go back to your " safe space". Boo hoo fictional characters are being portrayed in a way I don't like. So violence in games doesn't lead to violent behavior but sexually explicit games lead to sexual assault? Sound logic.