That simply wasn't true either, unless you're talking about getting the massively gimped Xbox 360 that had no memory card, no hard drive, no games, and no wireless connectivity. And that's not even acknowledging how overpriced Xbox 360 accessories were for a long time.Originally Posted by Satoshi_Matrix
That's the route I went down. My first 360 didn't have a hardrive, just a 256MB memory card.
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They also told PS3 owners who were tired of waiting for long mandatory updates to go make a sandwich. Yes really.
I think many have noticed, there's just not much backlash. The same thing happened when Microsoft paid to make Rise Of The Tomb Raider a timed exclusive. There was lots of backlash but when Sony paid to have Street Fighter V(and Silent Hills before it) exclusive there was very little backlash. The same people complaining about one situation magically pretend to not have a problem with it when Sony does the same things.
One thing I think PS4 owners should have taken Sony to task for was them refusing to have EA Access on PS4. Yes we all know that it's because of PS Now but Sony's official bullshit excuse was that EA Access didn't represent good value for PS4 owners. Because apparently Sony doesn't think they can make that decision for themselves. But as long as EA didn't hold any games back from PS Now they were originally planning to put there then I don't see why there would be a problem with it.
As for Microsoft, for all the stupid policies they were planning for the Xbox One I can at least give them credit for not launching with any of them. The worst thing about the XBO's launch was that it cost $500 and was a full $100 more than a PS4. It should have been no more than $450 even with Kinect, which, by launch, could be turned off, unplugged or covered with your dirty undies so it's inclusion in the box was no longer a hindrance as long as the price point was right. But they still launched with that $100 price difference and have suffered greatly for it. As for the power difference, we can look at several generations where the less powerful hardware sold more than it's more powerful competion(PS2 outselling Xbox, DS outselling PSP, 3DS outselling Vita, etc) so I don't think that was a huge selling point for most of the casual buyers. But the combo of bad PR and a higher price tag pretty much marketed the PS4 all by itself. Which is why they can still get away with no must buy games yet.
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I remember then when the PS3 came out and Ken popped up saying this about the $600 price when asked why so expensive? - "This is the PS3 price. Expensive, cheap - we don't want you to think of it in terms of game machines."
That didn't win anyone over, and got all those lovely partly misquoted memes over it $600, Cheap!
That went over really well with PS2 owners and then some which made the PS3 sales blow until it fell off that price by a 1/3.
And with this time around instead of not only just pricing it too high with a forced spycam no one really wanted, MS throws in the intended DRM cockpunching they were forced to back off of but the damage was done. All it takes is some stupid intent and a price that's unreasonable and you'll drive off plenty of buyers and as much as games may make the hardware guys think lots of short memories with all the full price yearly rehash, plenty enough do and the sales of both systems play that out.
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That the best you got? It was somewhat sarcasm since the thing was exposed to have an open gateway on it awhile back which set off lots of security nuts.
Sony is pulling more bullshit than MS this time around. MS got called out on their shit and everyone railed against them to change it. They did for the most part but then Sony isn't even trying to give us any BC and MS is busting their ass to give it to us again. I tried Fallout 3 again to try on my Xbone and it works great. Sony on the other hand is charging us again for PS2 classics that we may already have a disc copy of or have purchased on our PS3. Want to play some PS3 games on your PS4? Stream them...great and with all the cable companies pushing data caps it isn't as viable as it may have been. Everyone said the new consoles were too weak to play the last gen but it seems MS isn't being lazy about it and trying to get some goodwill back from people. Sony is slowly losing any from me. I hate being triple dipped for no good reason. I love paying for PSplus and then I have to pay again to stream games. They have yet to give away one game on the streaming service for PSplus free games. Blah, I love my PS4 for certain things and hate it for others.
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If they really wanted to spy on people don't you think they'd use windows PC's? There's millions more of them and webcams have been standard for several years now.
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Your post is very similar to the main point of this thread: that Sony is doing so successful right now that they don't have to release any system selling games or be innovative with their features and updates. They have become lazy based solely on how successful they've been. There's still stuff to do on your PS4 but Microsoft is in a much different boat. The Xbox One is by no means a failure but they always directly compare their success to their chief rival, which is Sony(and vice versa). So because Sony is selling so much better then them they are compelled to constantly try and come up with new features, release new exclusive software and constantly listen to consumer feedback on what they want to come out for the system as far as improvements and possible new features. This is why competition is such a good thing for everyone. If Sony were challenged more by the Xbox One they'd probably start being more innovative but for the time being they most likely don't feel the need to do so.
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Do people even use webcams that much (aside from some youtubers)?
I know those were the cool thing in the late '90s, but I don't know if I've seen someone actually use one in person.
Porncams.
Never forget, this was one of the first thing PS4 Playroom streamers did right out of the box.
Sony isn't not doing anything, it's just that like every single gen prior, Sony always has a rough start. Even the PSX and PS2 Sony half assed it for the first couple of years, PSX for no reason, but PS2 and PS3 because continued support of the previous console. After the PS3 launched there were several exclusives released by Sony for the PS2. After the PS4 launched there were several exclusives released for the PS3. Sony does what the other console developers don't by supporting their consoles after the next one launches.
People always make comments about Sony not having competition being the reason for slow launches, but this is just Sony. I mean the PS3 was a failure compared to the PSX and PS2, so do you think that they sat on their ass with PS4? It's just how they do things, and imo they just don't get that people want new games with their new console and that doing so pushes more sales than supporting older consoles which will just appease fans who don't want to move to the next gen yet. As has already been stated. Microsoft has been doing just as crappy as Sony has this gen when it comes to pushing new games, so it's not like Microsoft has actually been doing anything either, despite how far behind they are. Both Sony and Microsoft have been doing stuff towards the OS though, so it's not like Sony hasn't been pushing that. PS3 backwards compatibility is impossible thanks to the architecture of the PS3.
Games that have been in development for awhile are finally coming in 2016. Uncharted 4, The Last Guardian, Horizon, Gravity Rush 2, and Gran Turismo Sport are five big releases coming out next year along with all the other releases that they have planed for release, including Heavy Rain Remastered, Gravity Rush Remastered, and then the third party games that are funded and co developed by Sony, Street Fighter 5. Or Yakuza Zero which wouldn't be releasing if not because of Sony. As of next year, Sony will have blown Microsoft away when it comes to support. So much for Sony slacking off due to no competition right? *edit* Oh yeah. And let's not forget the deal they made with Kojima to release a PS4 console exclusive that will later go to PC. Yeah. That's obviously a publisher that's not supporting their console.
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Yeah I know they could, they do in some ways, but cameras I really doubt it.
I'm kind of surprised at the Sony hate for petty junk like being entitled to backwards compatibility as no one is, though anyone would have a fair argument buying a PSN PS2 download once on PS3 and not having it work on PS4 as that's just grubby. Sorry but no one is entitled to run a 15 year old DVD game on a modern system, and PS3, hardware isn't compatible and emulating that beast on PS4 I'm sure would be a real treasure. MS has the designs of the PC through the systems with their Windows like cores and Direct X engines they can get it done and away with in varying degrees far easier so it's not hard to grasp.
The argument is very sound that Sony is more on cruise mode, they have no reason not to be while anyone in second wanting to gain ground would do more which is what you are seeing on The One so far as MS doesn't like being out of primary control. If it were neck and neck Sony probably would cook up something but there's no reason to. Nintendo a decade back was screwed so they backed up the motion junk because they were desperate and that play worked as a one off, then at a leader they got lazy and the others sold more and they fell off, then fell into the WiiU pit they're in now. The thing is too Sony isn't doing nothing either, every generation they've always been the same a slow starter that doesn't take off until 2-3 years in, because that's when finally the hardware prices settle, people learn a few things, and they get out those hallmark titles that people will remember over the generational gaps and that's really when they open up best doing locked down software on their system only. They're actively at it, like kupo pointed out, such as with Kojima basically going second party friend level PS4 exclusive developing stuff which MS will never taste like with MGS5 and before. Sony knows in the end that the most unique solid library of games with good consistency in quality and releases will beat out kitschy features (backwards compatibility) and other nominal fluff and programs.
I didn't say anything about a slow launch as the PS4 is selling faster than any of their previous systems. I and others(including PS4 owners) have pointed out that's it's selling very well despite a lack of compelling software, hence the title of the thread. Nor did I say anything about them not having competition. Microsoft and Nintendo will always be their main competition.
Again, I didn't say anything about Sony not supporting the PS4. I said that their success will/can cause them to be lazy and less innovative.That's obviously a publisher that's not supporting their console.
These days besides for webcam shows people use them mostly for Skype, or at least the people I know who use webcams use them for that. I have Skype but rarely ever use it.
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No competition "could" make Sony ignore releasing new content, but as good as the third party games for the PS2 was and how far ahead Sony was, in 2005 only one year prior to the PS3s release, Sony still developed or funded and released God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, Wild ARMs Alter Code F, Wild ARMs 4(01/06,) Champions Return to Arms, Rogue Galaxy, Sly 3, Genji, Rise of the Kasai, and Gran Turismo 4 as well as their sports and Eyetoy games. Aside from all the Singstar games, sports games, and PSP ports, after the PS3 released they still released Wild ARMs 5, God of War 2, and Ratchet and Clank Size Matters.
This is why anyone I disregard anyone who makes the comments of Sony's lack of support when there's no competition, because it's happened. The Xbox and Gamecube were pretty much no competition compared to the PS2 in terms of sales and Sony had all the third party support, but they still heavily supported the console at the end of the systems life.
Sony's lack of support at the beginning of the console generation though? Every console generation. They really need to get their act together because that's where it matters the most and they do such a poor job.
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Never forget Uno on the Xbox 360. Talk about a sausage fest...
I would say that Sony's launch titles for the PS2, PS3 and PS4 weren't exactly system sellers, but the following year certainly showed that Sony had made efforts to establish their consoles as the best platform.
The PS3 saw titles such as Heavenly Sword, Lair ( didn't live up to expectations) and Uncharted a year after the console's release. The PS2 had the massively successful Gran Turismo 3 a little over a year after the console's launch. And the PS4 had Destiny and Bloodborne a little over a year after the console launched. They haven't exactly dropped the ball with any of their consoles.
It doesn't seem all that important to me. Nothing more than the name on the game's box.
If the good PS4 games are from Sony, fine, if not move along.
Lum fan.
I doubt Sony will be skimping on new games due to how far they are ahead of the competition. As I stated in previous post next year in 2016 they have several heavy hitters lined up. Barring any delays into the next year they should have a pretty solid year of exclusive software.
I hear you and similarly I disregard people who make up bull shit conspiracy theories about why the XBO hasn't sold as well as the PS4. Microsoft's struggles before launch and the changes made before hand are well documented. Even after launch the damage was done and the price tag didn't help things either. There's no conspiracies to be found there. They took a gamble and bet wrong. Phil Spencer has been on damage control ever since.This is why anyone I disregard anyone who makes the comments of Sony's lack of support when there's no competition, because it's happened.
Here's the thing though, Sony doesn't necessarily need all the heavy hitters at launch because not many consoles have must-buy exclusives or killer apps at launch. Microsoft had Halo for the Xbox launch and Sega had Soul Calibur for the Dreamcast launch but outside of a select few others these are the exceptions and not the rule. Sometimes you'll even get games that come out early in the systems life that takes full, or near full advantage of the hardware like Sonic for the Genesis and Gears of War for the 360 and if you're lucky those games will be fun too, which both of those examples were. But that's really not the PS4's issue right now.Sony's lack of support at the beginning of the console generation though? Every console generation. They really need to get their act together because that's where it matters the most and they do such a poor job.
When I've asked my friends who own PS4's over the last two years what they've been playing they typically name a third party game. Something like Watchdogs, Batman: Arkham Knight, the newest COD or Assassin's Creed and lately either The Witcher 3 or Fallout 4. There have been very few times when they told me they were playing a PS4 exclusive. We even had a thread here on DP where the OP was pretty much begging people to like The Order despite it's less than stellar reception. The general consensus I've heard and from my own opinion of the library and also why these threads are starting to pop up on the internet is that the PS4's overall first party line-up has been mediocre at best. And it's not even a comparison to what's available on other systems. People have been judging the PS4's line up on it's own merits because they are so far ahead of the competition. The PS4 is selling at least three times better than the Wii U and at least two times better than the XBO so people are naturally curious what sort of games it has to give it such a boost/lead. But when people finally take a peak at the current line up we get threads like this.
Obviously there's a good amount of third party content but the issue stems from Sony's first party line up so far. And it's not even a lack of support like you suggested because there are a decent amount of first party games now that we are in year three, it's just that you'd be hard pressed to find one that people overall agree is a killer app.
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