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    That's a bummer about the ISOZone, since that was my go-to place for PS1 ROMs that work with my emulator. Mostly. I did manage to get a link to their new spin-off site before the ISOZone stopped even doing that.

    There will always be emulation, and there will always be sites catering to that crowd. I'm not worried about that kind of thing going away, it's just that Nintendo was worried about people not paying $5 for 30 year old games when they could download them for free. I expect sites to stop handling Nintendo stuff from here on out. That doesn't bother me at all, I've never been a Nintendo fan to begin with.

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    That would be funny, instead of calling it Lupin III, instead it's called Generic Lupin haha

    Quote Originally Posted by jb143 View Post
    In the very next sentence I comment on how patents are different, I even use drug research as an example. But even still, when a patent expires other companies can't use their trademarked name. Imagine the confusion that would cause already confused consumers? That's why generic drugs use the chemical name.

    Or imagine if people made and sold inferior quality counterfeit games and devices and tried to pass them off as the real thing. Oh wait... now imagine if that was completely legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jb143 View Post
    In the very next sentence I comment on how patents are different, I even use drug research as an example. But even still, when a patent expires other companies can't use their trademarked name. Imagine the confusion that would cause already confused consumers? That's why generic drugs use the chemical name.

    Or imagine if people made and sold inferior quality counterfeit games and devices and tried to pass them off as the real thing. Oh wait... now imagine if that was completely legal.
    I was commenting on all intellectual property in general, but jumped around a bit. Yeah, I wouldn't mind if important stuff like patents were made available so other companies/people could already start working on advancements right away instead of being delayed for decades first. The more people working on ideas at once the better.

    As for films in the public domain, people can choose to avoid the cheap copies and opt for better releases, like buying a DVD made from a proper fully restored transfer rather than a dollar store DVD copied from a VHS tape. People can still choose to support the original creators if they wanted to, rather than automatically being forced to. It's the same deal with buying/using pirated copies of games over legit produced copies, I still want the legit versions even if cheaper alternatives exist, or to support the developers in some cases. Just because it would be available otherwise(even if legally through public domain means) I would still make other choices. Similar to avoiding 3rd party hardware over 1st party, even when 3rd party is legal and widely available(or the flipside when 3rd party actually makes things better quality than the 1st party). The main benefit of making everything public domain would be to protect works that are basically abandoned by their creators, like getting a good release of the original version of Star Wars. Imagine if that could be factory pressed and sold without any legal problems, giving people what they've wanted for the last 20 years. Or releasing and selling fan translations for games that wouldn't be translated otherwise.

    For using characters created by other people, it's basically making fanfiction legal. It's like anyone being able to publish their own Dracula story, or film adaptation. It hasn't really made things overly confusing, I don't see serious problems coming out if modern characters were being used the same way. People can tell the difference with what's official and what's not, like recognizing Disney's The Little Mermaid and not confusing it with any of the other animated The Little Mermaid films. Or being able to make sequels to other peoples work. It would be nice to see Ron Gilbert make his Monkey Island 3, it's just the rights issue getting in the way even though he created the series in the first place.

    I would draw the line at being able to copy another company's name and make near identical looking copies, at the very least everything should be identified with whoever made it so they can be differentiated. Just like with buying tools, if you want a wrench set you can buy one from Snap On or Craftsman, they're the same item but still different. Buying a game in the public domain could be similar to buying any classic book in the public domain, you just get to choose which edition you want from which publisher. Of course people will value certain versions or editions over others, I just want copies to be easy to differentiate.

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    Well what a shitshow is going down concerning The ISO Zone and RetroZone -
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Roms/commen...one_retrozone/

    JaMbo sure sounds like a dick.
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    Well hell, there goes the only reliable place I knew of for PS1 games that'll work on my emulator. Hopefully something can be made of this crapheap. It's always about some idiot who loses his mind and throws a tantrum, screwing up everybody's hobby.

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    Forcing people to pay for stuff isn't screwing up anyone's hobby unless your hobby is theft

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbpxl View Post
    Forcing people to pay for stuff isn't screwing up anyone's hobby unless your hobby is theft
    I pretty much only ever downloaded PS1 ISOs to check if my scratched legit games were fully readable or not. I would use ImgBurn to load up the ISO and verify against the legit disc. So far the only disc I found with problems was with a PC game and I was lucky to find the ISO for that. I wouldn't keep the ISOs after checking the discs as they take up too much hard drive space, I only would keep patched fan translations as legit pressed discs don't exist and burned discs can erase over time.

    Otherwise I could see it as a way to test games out before buying them but I never really did this, usually watching youtube videos is enough for me to know if I want to play a game or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneDavid View Post
    Well what a shitshow is going down concerning The ISO Zone and RetroZone -
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Roms/commen...one_retrozone/

    JaMbo sure sounds like a dick.
    Yeah, that's just insane. What a damn man child.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gbpxl View Post
    Forcing people to pay for stuff isn't screwing up anyone's hobby unless your hobby is theft
    Dude, can you just relax? Do you have to sideways flip off every thread where every single person doesn't have the exact same thought on a subject as you?

    I'm sure available ISO downloads are totally killing the value of LSD: Dream Emulator or Harmful Park, right? Screw playing a fan translation of Policenauts or Ace Combat 3. Nintendo isn't making a dime on NES and SNES classic consoles and inventory is clogging up retail channels because everyone is just using a Raspberry Pi with illegal downloads. We're all such thieves.

    If I can buy an old game without it being enhanced or reworked, with the money going to the people who developed it or own the IP, I do. So many people at The ISO Zone were maintaining 1:1 clean archives of entire CD based game libraries - you think developers or publishers would do that? Revision differences, unused game assets left on retail releases, regional changes, figuring out who developed what, prototype differences - it's all because of people duplicating game data and uploading it somewhere. So much is learned about the crazy wild west days of the industry from dumping ROM data and ripping disc images. So many important game-by-game video programs created by enthusiasts exist because of access to emulation. So many untranslated games have dozens of talented people working to break down the language barrier every day, all because of emulation.

    Ever rented a video game from a video store in the 1980's or 1990's? Guess what, you were breaking the law with media that was current and taking money from developers who were active.
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    Justify it as much as you want but remember that I am on the side of people who make a living deciding what is and isn't morally acceptable as well as the people whose name was synonymous with "video games" for a solid decade and a half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbpxl View Post
    Justify it as much as you want but remember that I am on the side of people who make a living deciding what is and isn't morally acceptable as well as the people whose name was synonymous with "video games" for a solid decade and a half.
    Wait, there's a job where I get to decide what is and isn't moral? And I get paid big bux for it? Dude, hook me up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornelius View Post
    Wait, there's a job where I get to decide what is and isn't moral? And I get paid big bux for it? Dude, hook me up!
    I assume he means lawyers working for Atari. Or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameguy View Post
    I assume he means lawyers working for Atari. Or something.
    Damn lawyers lol

    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneDavid View Post
    So many people at The ISO Zone were maintaining 1:1 clean archives of entire CD based game libraries - you think developers or publishers would do that?
    It would be awesome if a company actually did that with their old game libraries, even with a price tag of $1-5 per game, they would make a ton of money and we'd have what we need.

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    Good I hope this leads to the removal of all the fake cartridges, manuals, boxes, and multicades out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbpxl View Post
    Good I hope this leads to the removal of all the fake cartridges, manuals, boxes, and multicades out there.
    This literally applies to none of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pr3tty F1y View Post
    This literally applies to none of that.
    You must not be familiar with the butterfly effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbpxl View Post
    You must not be familiar with the butterfly effect.
    No, this will have no effect on anything made (considering all the bootleg game items mass-produced come from China), or any fake games already in existance

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    I wonder why Nintendo was so quick to settle when they (apparently) had a claim worth $100 million. Heard some rumors that Nintendo was afraid of a court saying that in some situations, ROMs might not be protected. Don't think they would have gotten the $100 million anyway, though I doubt they will get the $12 either...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupin View Post
    Don't think they would have gotten the $100 million anyway, though I doubt they will get the $12 either...
    100 is way over the top of course; you cant get blood from a stone. The fact that they came to an agreement makes me think the defendant is gonna have to make payments over the rest of his life, which have prob already been agreed upon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bb_hood View Post
    No, this will have no effect on anything made (considering all the bootleg game items mass-produced come from China), or any fake games already in existance
    Yeah, if anything this would actually increase demand for bootlegs, repros, custom retro-pi units and the like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jb143 View Post
    Yeah, if anything this would actually increase demand for bootlegs, repros, custom retro-pi units and the like.
    I really wish there were a retro game store with deep pockets like Nintendo that could go after a US manufacturer of bootlegs. There's a company in my town that openly sells illegal multicades. A game store in town sells $40 repros of high dollar NES and SNES carts, and there's no indication whatsoever that they're counterfeit besides the price tag.



    GameStop is about the only company who could do something about it but their retro game sales are probably a small share of their profits.

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