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    Default Just bought Smash Bros Ultimate...

    ...My first reaction:

    "Why does this game boot up with a song that sounds like an anime opening from the 1990s?"

    Not complaining, since the 1990s is when I most loved anime. It's somehow a little surreal hearing it in a sequel to a game I first discovered at around the same time.

    Also I guess I need to invest in a Gamecube-style controller.

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    I never got into the series past Melee. it seems like one of those games where theyre more concerned with cramming every conceivable character into the game as possible even if they seem strangely juxtaposed against the backdrop they find themselves in. just not my cup of tea but I know it has a massive following

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    The English language opening makes me, and I don't use this term lightly, cringe every time I hear it. It's mostly because the singer isn't very good IMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by gbpxl View Post
    I never got into the series past Melee. it seems like one of those games where theyre more concerned with cramming every conceivable character into the game as possible even if they seem strangely juxtaposed against the backdrop they find themselves in. just not my cup of tea but I know it has a massive following
    Not only that, but they keep doing this thing where a character gets in primarily as a way to promote a game rather than for popularity. Joker to promote the Persona series despite it being a mostly Sony thing, Byleth to promote the new Fire Emblem, and now an ARMS character because Nintendo wants to bring that game back. A slot is less a celebration of gaming now and more an advertisement. And really? I think most people get more entertainment out of thinking about what character will be next and talking about it than actually playing the game.
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    Wow, buncha cynics up in here!

    For my part my only issues so far are just little things I remember Melee having but that aren't here--like an adventure mode and how you'd get titles like "Edge Grabber" or "Half-Minute Man" after finishing a stage/fight.

    I'll admit, I have a reason to play Xenoblade Chronicles now since I kinda like Shulk. Altho the real DLC I'm looking forward to is Terry Bogard (already out) and I've heard that the Dragon Quest VIII hero is gonna be released soon, and I THINK I heard that Spyro the Dragon was gonna be in, but I may have misremembered that last one.

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    Heh, I guess you could say that. It's fun, but it has some stuff I really don't like in there too.

    Hero is already out. Spyro would never get in before Crash Bandicoot, sadly. Especially because Crash is beloved in Japan and Spyro is seen as the epitome of "kusoge" (shitty game) because the Japanese localization of the first two games was botched.

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    Smash is a celebration of games and every fanboy's dream of who would win in a fight. Thankfully unlike many clones and other attempts. Smash puts a lot of thought and detail in every character's move set being tied very specifically into that game/character. Smash is a series I feel gets better with each entry, mainly because of the roster and since Ultimate has everyone, it's amazing. A lot? Yes but not like they were just thrown in there with little care like PS All-Stars. With how wildly diverse the roster is,it's amazing it's as balanced as it is all things considered.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupin View Post
    Hero is already out. Spyro would never get in before Crash Bandicoot, sadly. Especially because Crash is beloved in Japan and Spyro is seen as the epitome of "kusoge" (shitty game) because the Japanese localization of the first two games was botched.
    Okay, Nintendo needs to update the eshop then, because it keeps saying that the contents of Ultimate Fighters Pass Season 2 is unknown--even if I look at each one individually--and that they won't come out until 2021.

    I wish I had looked into this earlier, I instead bought Dragon Quest Builders 1 and so have to wait til next month to get the Season 2 Pass.

    Also, personally I wouldn't mind Crash in here (I'm kinda surprised he's not, honestly)... but I was thinking either him or Spyro would make sense due to both having just had high-profile remakes of their old games, and like you guys said, Smash exists partially to advertise these days. I HOPE Spyro reignited helps rehabilitate the dragon in Japan, as well... I would rather have seen a Spyro JRPG than whatever crap Legend of Spyro was trying to pull.

    Also, question for those who've played Kid Icarus Uprising: Why is there a "Dark" Pit? The in-game stuff only says he was created by a "Mirror of Truth" the bad guys had (seems kinda un-badguyish) and why is his stage this sort of apocalyptic version with Palutena's head appearing in the sky a lot like she's gone Tyrantlestia?

    I don't have a 3DS or I'd just play the damn game.

    EDIT: Also, as someone who has never played Animal Crossing.... Isabelle just seems like she's not even a combatant. What she's like in Smash kinda makes me think of Fluttershy but with Pinkie Pie's gimmicks.... and like I used to say about that cartoon, neither character seemed like they belonged in a combat scenario. Tho Smash gets a pass here since this isn't literally the character, just a toy or statue some kid is playing with.

    What kind of game IS Animal Crossing, anyway?
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    Animal Crossing is kinda like Nintendo's The sims with cute animals.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmond Dantes View Post
    Okay, Nintendo needs to update the eshop then, because it keeps saying that the contents of Ultimate Fighters Pass Season 2 is unknown--even if I look at each one individually--and that they won't come out until 2021.

    I wish I had looked into this earlier, I instead bought Dragon Quest Builders 1 and so have to wait til next month to get the Season 2 Pass.

    Also, personally I wouldn't mind Crash in here (I'm kinda surprised he's not, honestly)... but I was thinking either him or Spyro would make sense due to both having just had high-profile remakes of their old games, and like you guys said, Smash exists partially to advertise these days. I HOPE Spyro reignited helps rehabilitate the dragon in Japan, as well... I would rather have seen a Spyro JRPG than whatever crap Legend of Spyro was trying to pull.

    Also, question for those who've played Kid Icarus Uprising: Why is there a "Dark" Pit? The in-game stuff only says he was created by a "Mirror of Truth" the bad guys had (seems kinda un-badguyish) and why is his stage this sort of apocalyptic version with Palutena's head appearing in the sky a lot like she's gone Tyrantlestia?

    I don't have a 3DS or I'd just play the damn game.

    EDIT: Also, as someone who has never played Animal Crossing.... Isabelle just seems like she's not even a combatant. What she's like in Smash kinda makes me think of Fluttershy but with Pinkie Pie's gimmicks.... and like I used to say about that cartoon, neither character seemed like they belonged in a combat scenario. Tho Smash gets a pass here since this isn't literally the character, just a toy or statue some kid is playing with.

    What kind of game IS Animal Crossing, anyway?
    Hero was in the first Fighter's Pass but came out a while back. And yeah, Isabelle is in there because of popularity among fans.

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    Okay, another instance in the "I Am An Idjit" files...

    So yeah, Hero is out and is part of Fighter's Pass Season 1... I didn't recognize him because the store page etc. uses the DQ11 Hero. Which confused me because the advert I caught on a Gamestop TV specifically showed the version from DQ8, so I assumed it would look like him by default.

    Now that I know tho, I'm gonna see if I can find a way to make him always default to that look, since DQ8 is probably the best Bippydoo has ever looked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupin View Post
    Spyro is seen as the epitome of "kusoge" (shitty game) because the Japanese localization of the first two games was botched.
    First I've ever heard of that, care to elaborate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Az View Post
    First I've ever heard of that, care to elaborate?
    There's a collab video between Antdude and Caddicarus that explains it pretty well:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRwAQWGRpaY

    Essentially, because apparently a lot of Japanese gamers were getting motion sick? from 3D gaming, they changed the camera and some of Spyro's moves, but these changes resulted in Spyro's gameplay flowing less well, a lot of instances of the camera actually being irritating due to stuff you can't see well, and the game was just less fun overall.

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    That doesn't make much sense. Were they actually getting feedback from Japanese players of the Western version, or were they just taking a shot in the dark as to what kind of 3D gaming would make Japanese gamers motion sick? I'm pretty similar to Japanese gamers in terms of the kinds of games that make me motion sick. First-person gaming is particularly problematic for me, but as far as 5th gen gaming goes, third-person games with especially low/inconsistent frame rates can also be a problem. But Spyro is both third-person and stays around 30fps most of the time. I played through the whole game, collecting 100% of everything, and I don't remember any point causing me motion sickness, not even a mild headache. I would guess most Japanese gamers would be fine with the Western version too. Even if the changes weren't for the worse, it still sounds totally unnecessary. It's as if they never actually consulted anyone who gets motion sick from games and only took action based on rumor and fear.
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    I haven't watched the video in a while but I do think they had Japanese gamers play the Western versions and people complained. Of course, it turned out to be a mistake because the majority of the Japanese audience probably wouldn't have been sick and they made their game actively worse to appeal to a minority. The games sold so poorly and had such a bad reception that the third game in the Trilogy never came out in Japan and I don't think any of the further games ever came out in Japan until Reignited. Again, meanwhile, Crash became a beloved import. Spyro being in Smash would probably make Japanese Smash fans upset, and the only time I remember that happening was with Little Mac.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie2B View Post
    That doesn't make much sense.
    Most things the games industry does don't. I kinda started agreeing with Jim Sterling in that the industry seems run by effing morons sometimes.

    It's as if they never actually consulted anyone who gets motion sick from games and only took action based on rumor and fear.
    Which sadly is an atmosphere we still live in today and is pretty much what causes a lot of media to suck. It's pretty much why I don't get people who are beholden to corporations and loyal to their products, and why I tend to be doubtful that triple-A products are actually any good (so many people seem to mistake having a large budget for being a good game).

    It's easy to forget that all the best games tended to come from nobodies who had no idea what they were doing, which is again something we still see now.

    And I see a dragon next to me asking what any of this has to do with Smash, which even I thought was pretty good.

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    I don't know about the best games coming from nobodies who had no idea what they were doing. It doesn't take fame to make a great game, but it does take knowledge, experience, and talent in one field or another. Even in the earliest days of gaming, when the industry hadn't be around long enough for anybody to be especially experienced in video game making specifically, they still had experience in other applicable fields. They were already great programmers, engineers, designers, etc. of other types of products. When I look at today's indie scene, it's the games made by solo individuals that are often the most flawed, in my opinion. The creator may have a strong background in one field, but they're probably not equally knowledgeable in every component (programming, gameplay design, graphic design, sound engineering, music composition, etc.) So you may have, say, a game that plays great but has crap music. The best, most well-rounded indies come from small teams of people with different areas of expertise, who can also give feedback to the others. The more people know what they're doing, the better the game. Rarely does someone who has no idea what they're doing have a happy accident and produce something amazing in spite of their cluelessness.

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    It depends, I think, on what one values in a game. A person who values creativity or willingness to try things will probably be more impressed by nobodies than someone who prefers refinement.

    That said I think at the time of my post I was mostly thinking of games like Colossal Cave Adventure, Zork, Tetris, Doom, Myst, and Minecraft... all great games (well... Minecraft maybe not so much), all made by small teams or in some cases one person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmond Dantes View Post
    It's pretty much why I don't get people who are beholden to corporations and loyal to their products, and why I tend to be doubtful that triple-A products are actually any good (so many people seem to mistake having a large budget for being a good game).
    People tend to stick with familiarity, if one company produced something or several things in the past that were good quality and well liked, it's assumed that those same attributes will exist with their future products. It's so someone doesn't have to do research every time prior to buying something, like do I have to research what the best ketchup brand is every time I need to buy more ketchup? No, even if new companies start producing ketchup or other existing ones improve theirs, I'll most likely just stick with what I know to be satisfactory rather than keep looking for alternatives.

    Basically if someone liked what Nintendo previously made, or they liked an earlier game in a specific series, they'll assume they'll also like the newest releases too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Edmond Dantes View Post
    It depends, I think, on what one values in a game. A person who values creativity or willingness to try things will probably be more impressed by nobodies than someone who prefers refinement.

    That said I think at the time of my post I was mostly thinking of games like Colossal Cave Adventure, Zork, Tetris, Doom, Myst, and Minecraft... all great games (well... Minecraft maybe not so much), all made by small teams or in some cases one person.
    You can add the earliest Lucasfilm Games/LucasArts releases too, those were made by mostly small teams. Apple computers started the same way. At those early times games didn't need to sell as many copies to be profitable so people were more willing to experiment with new types of games or content/subject matter. Now that every game needs to be widely liked by as many people as possible, they're mostly generic and unmemorable. If you aim it at a specific type of audience it would probably alienate everyone else, so to play it safe they end up aiming it at everyone so nobody is really satisfied. The modern smaller studios or independent developers tend to care more about making the types of games that they personally want to play so they end up being more creative and memorable. I largely don't care about most modern games or modern movies anymore.

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    I think there's a pretty huge difference between small, unknown teams and people "who had no idea what they were doing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameguy View Post
    People tend to stick with familiarity, if one company produced something or several things in the past that were good quality and well liked, it's assumed that those same attributes will exist with their future products. It's so someone doesn't have to do research every time prior to buying something, like do I have to research what the best ketchup brand is every time I need to buy more ketchup? No, even if new companies start producing ketchup or other existing ones improve theirs, I'll most likely just stick with what I know to be satisfactory rather than keep looking for alternatives.

    Basically if someone liked what Nintendo previously made, or they liked an earlier game in a specific series, they'll assume they'll also like the newest releases too.
    I understand this stuff, I was more thinking about people who act like a certain company informs a large part of their identity, like they have some sort of higher reason to stay loyal. People who continue reading DC or Marvel comics when all they do is criticize the companies, for example, or people who make it their mission to set out to play every new Kirby game that comes out even though they know full well not all of them will be good.

    You can add the earliest Lucasfilm Games/LucasArts releases too, those were made by mostly small teams. Apple computers started the same way.
    With Apple its somehow surreal that when I was in school we played on Apple IIe computers in computer lab but then I didn't hear much about them growing up, until suddenly they were big.

    I largely don't care about most modern games or modern movies anymore.
    Largely the same here. For me the litmus is usually whether or not I'm just interested in the premise or the subject matter--several games have sold me simply because I read the back of the box and it said it was a horror mystery taking place on a ship or in a haunted lighthouse or whatever and I'm like "that sounds interesting." Helps if they're cheap.

    That's my litmus for books too--I often buy based on just if I find the premise interesting... and if the thing isn't overpriced.

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