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    Default PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X|S - Your Thoughts

    What are your impressions of the PlayStation 5 and the Xbox Series X|S consoles? Prices? Controllers? Games? Which games would you play if you have or had one?

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    I don't see the Series S lasting very long. I heard developers are frustrated with having to produce a game on three different platforms (PS5, Series S, Series X) versus two (PS4 and Xbox One). I don't know why anyone would opt for a "budget" console if they need the latest tech. If they were budget-conscious to begin with, I imagine theyd be more likely to stay with the PS4/Xbone or even just the PS3/360. I predict that the Series S will be dead by 2022.

    The PS5 design isnt something Im a fan of. Its good theyre doing something different but man... just not a fan.

    At this point I think naming conventions are awful. The numbering of the consoles just makes every previous gen seem dated. Telling someone you still play PlayStation 3 makes you sound like a dinosaur or that youre broke. I dont feel the way if I tell someone I still play GameCube
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    The excitement of a new generation definitely fades when most of the games are cross-generation releases.

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    I'm going to get a PS5 but it'll be April next year at the earliest. I decided I'm going to try and work off my backlog of PS4 and 3DS games or atleast as much as I can and I'm still picking up games I'm interested in. Not going to pick up any games cross gen with PS4 and by the time I do pick them up next year, they should be cheap. I'll be picking up all three Sony launch titles, the Miles Morales Special Edition with the original Spider-Man included, Demon's Souls, and Sackboy's Big Adventure(I don't like Sackboy, but this game looks really good.) It's the most effort that Sony themselves have ever put into a launch line up, and then next year they're releasing another five games.

    I'm also glad that developers are starting to push framerates over graphics though. Faster framerate is more appealing because a smoother picture as well as less input lag. Seeing how well the PS5 does backwards compatibility as well is nice, games that can run at 60fps can actually meet that goal, so Until Dawn, Resident Evil Revelations 2, etc.

    I technically do have one PS5 game since I did preorder Cthulu Saves Christmas from LRG, just won't be playing it for quite some time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupin View Post
    The excitement of a new generation definitely fades when most of the games are cross-generation releases.
    The excitement also fades when you realize you probably won't be able to buy the actual system until it's about 3 years into its lifespan and even then it will just be because you happened across one in a Target. And it will be sitting there because everyone else gave up looking for them too.
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    My gaming friends have all jumped onto the PS5 and are constantly asking when I intend on getting mine, and honestly, with the backlog of PS4 and Xbox One games I have (not to mention generations before those) and the fact that all of the games that I wanted for PS5 have now been announced for PS4 as well, I don't feel the need to go ASAP and get one, My Switch is really making me happy and scratches my "current gen games purchasing" itch just fine. I don't really feel as "out of the loop" as in past generations.

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    Honestly?

    We've officially hit diminishing returns on graphical fidelity, to the point where a new console doesn't do anything visually substantial. We've also hit the point where a new console requires so much time/work to develop for that companies are quite possibly incapable of making any use of new features, at least without 8-10+ years of development. I'm highly skeptical these consoles will get any legitimate game support that will make them worth owning over the current generation ones, which is reinforced by the fact that we have yet to even see a major first party exclusive, let alone anything genuinely exciting, on either platform.

    More personally, I consider the prices to be batshit insane, but I also waited until PS4 was around $200 used to get one, so I guess that doesn't matter too much. Worse, though, is that physical games seem to be more difficult to come by than ever and the prices for games have increased to an amount I'm not sure I'm comfortable with. It might just be psychological, but $70 just feels far too substantial to me for a single video game, especially of the quality we tend to see these days on Sony and Microsoft platforms. Beyond price, it's worth mentioning that I probably would have strongly considered buying a PS5 if it had a new compelling Final Fantasy coming out for it exclusively. I bought my PS4 strictly for FFXV and played nearly exclusively that for years. Unfortunately, while there is a new FF coming, it looks absolutely awful to me (feels like a Witcher 3 clone and I did not like that game at all). It also is coming to PC at some point, which just means it'd make more sense for me to upgrade that than buy a pointless console. So, not only do they not have anything that interests me now, but the dev team that could have convinced me will now be busy working on trash for years, pretty much cementing the console to forever be a failure in my eyes.

    I'm looking forward to seeing what Nintendo ends up doing next, though. I probably will buy whatever they do, assuming it's actually interesting and not crazy expensive. They have the games I actually care about anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbpxl View Post
    The numbering of the consoles just makes every previous gen seem dated. Telling someone you still play PlayStation 3 makes you sound like a dinosaur or that youre broke.
    That's probably why they do it, to push people into buying new consoles instead of sticking with their old ones.

    I also find the PS5 ugly to look at, I haven't paid much attention to the latest Xbox whatever so I can't remember what it looks like. Is it the box looking air purifier/humidifier thing, or was that just concept art that didn't make it to production? I just don't get excited for new games or hardware anymore.

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    I don't like the design for PS5 but i'm still interested in the console mostly for the demon's souls remake.Also coming from a long time fan of the souls series this is a must for me.



    Still i didn't save up for one so i couldn't have bought one at launch even if i tried.Maybe next year at the latest i will still with demand out stripping it's supply who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tron 2.0 View Post
    I don't like the design for PS5 but i'm still interested in the console mostly for the demon's souls remake.Also coming from a long time fan of the souls series this is a must for me.
    Dark Souls 3 had a patch that I think is included on the Fire Fades edition that adds a 60fps cap, so on the PS4 since it can't hit 60fps it's essentially an uncapped framerate, but on PS5 it runs at 60fps according to Digital Foundry. So the entire Souls series excluding Bloodborne(30fps cap,) will run 60fps on the PS5. I don't like Sekiro, but unpatched it also has a 60fps cap so it can also run 60fps.

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    As for me, I like how the PS5 looks, I just don't care for how large it is. Well, I own a Space Heater PS3, a Jet Engine PS4, and I'll eventually own a Space Station PS5. *edit* I do prefer simple, but I think it looks good visually.
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    I just wish Microsoft would learn how to give their consoles good, memorable names. "Xbox". Good name. "Xbox 360". Again, good solid name that shows a progression between generations. "Xbox One". Um... shouldn't that technically be referring to the first generation console? No? I'm honestly not entirely sure what to call their consoles since they have such non-distinctive names. "Xbox One X"? "Xbox Series X"? Go screw yourself, Microsoft. How are they still in business with that complete and utter lack of originality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kupomogli View Post
    Dark Souls 3 had a patch that I think is included on the Fire Fades edition that adds a 60fps cap, so on the PS4 since it can't hit 60fps it's essentially an uncapped framerate, but on PS5 it runs at 60fps according to Digital Foundry. So the entire Souls series excluding Bloodborne(30fps cap,) will run 60fps on the PS5. I don't like Sekiro, but unpatched it also has a 60fps cap so it can also run 60fps.

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    As for me, I like how the PS5 looks, I just don't care for how large it is. Well, I own a Space Heater PS3, a Jet Engine PS4, and I'll eventually own a Space Station PS5. *edit* I do prefer simple, but I think it looks good visually.
    Good to know there's been rumors going around that bloodborne will get a remaster.Still i don't what it is but the PS5 design makes me think of a ice cream sandwich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbpxl View Post
    I don't see the Series S lasting very long. I heard developers are frustrated with having to produce a game on three different platforms (PS5, Series S, Series X) versus two (PS4 and Xbox One).
    They're not going to scuttle it anytime soon. Microsoft is committed to supporting people that have bought it, so Series S software support has to continue for a respectable amount of time. And because of that, they may as well continue to manufacture and sell the system.

    At worst if it's just not selling well enough to justify maintaining a production line and retail partners don't want to stock it, they'll discontinue production. But their hands are tied for software support and they can't pull that plug anytime soon. People bought the Series S based on promises and MS isn't going to risk tons of bad publicity, disgruntled customers, and probably some class action lawsuits by cancelling support a few months after launch and leaving Series S owners as orphans. Whether or not developers like it, mandatory Series S support is going to be sticking around at least into the mid 2020's.

    Considering the similarity that consoles have with PC hardware these days and how scaleable PC games have to be in order to run on a wide variety of systems with drastically varying degrees of horsepower, it's hard to imagine MS having two levels of power here is too much of a hindrance for developers. Heck, even console specific developers should be getting used to different tiers of power by now thanks to the Xbox One X and Playstation 4 Pro.
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    I don't think the series S is going to last very long when the console is already running with worse textures, 1080p or less resolution in most cases, and stuff like "as low as 576p resolution." Yakuza Like a Dragon it runs at 900p in order to hit 60fps, a last gen title. Compare that to the PS4 who ran the PS3 version of Yakuza 0, another last gen title at 1080p/60.

    Dirt 5's resolution mode runs at 60fps with something in the 1100s as the max resolution and the game already runs with a lot of textures being removed(Grass Gate returns.) The 120fps mode runs as low as 576p. Assassin's Creed Valhalla runs at 1080p/30. These are only launch games that are also cross gen, so nothing considerable compared to what we'd see in the future but it's already running poorly.

    I said this prior to the release, but it's not like a PC where you can just scale back certain settings, they have to specifically develop for the hardware since just scaling back baked in features like shadows, AA, etc, isn't going to do anything. They have to specifically make sure they're running at solid performance, and in order to do this, developers might start making compromises for more powerful hardware and develop for the Series S and then put the effort into upscaling and increasing the other consoles features, this will just hold back game development, especially when other consoles have that much less work put into them when devs have to waste their time on the Series S.

    I'm sure most people out there haven't purchased a Series S yet, Microsoft should cut their losses with it, give up to a specific point in time for people who bought one to get a refund, and then give the system a home beside E.T.

    *edit* Microsoft won't cut their losses with it though, instead of losing hundreds of millions on whatever is currently produced, they'd rather pass those savings along to the devs that will be forced to work on the console and the publishers who are paying for development costs. If you ask me, this is going to hurt Microsoft more than help them if devs just stop bothering with the Xbox altogether because of the Series S. They don't get as much third party support compared to Playstation as is, and you can forget about a indie dev that can't afford to release on all three consoles as going with Xbox first.
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    PS3 is kind of in that weird transitional zone, PS1 and PS2 are definitely retro like the GameCube. The PS1, during its first year, actually competed with the SNES.

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    I’d paid $600 for a 60GB PS3 and $400 for an Xbox 360 Elite, so paying $500 for either of these consoles isn’t all that crazy. I just bought an RTX 3060 Ti for $650, a couple of months ago and it’s only about 10% faster than the Series-X.

    The 360 was the last Xbox console I’ve bought, because I’ve always had a more powerful PC since 2010 and everything on Xbox is also on PC. But…..MS mak oh no pretty much most of the Xbox and Xbox 360 library BC, with improved visuals has me interested in maybe buying one.

    I’ll wait until PS5 prices settle down, because there’s only a few exclusive titles that I’m interested it right now.

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