LUNAR Remastered Collection announced

[JSoup]

Hot take... or, not so hot take if you agree, Beyond the Beyond is better than Lunar could ever hope to be.

Don't get me wrong, Lunar has better characters, beautiful looking areas, great music, etc, but these are long g mes and most of what you'll be doing in these two "average" but classic style RPGs is the combat, and Lunar's combat is just straight ass. Lunar has the combat depth of Dragon Warrior and by like Dragon Warrior I mean Dragon Warrior 1. Sure there's more characters, but it's as bare bones as it comes. Beyond the Beyond combat isn't amazing or anything but it's a night and day experience compared to the combat of the Lunar series. If I'm playing a really long game I don't want to play a really long game with what's essentially 90% shitty combat and that's what the Lunar series nails more than anything, shitty combat.

What especially gets me though is people rant and rave how great a game Shining Force is, the same developer of Beyond the Beyond, but this painfully, painfully slow combat system which is just incredible mediocre, but Beyond the Beyond gets a lot of hate simply because it has high encounter rate that "CAN" get into combat one step after the previous encounter, but you can go 20 steps after the previous encounter as well. It really gets shit on by a number of people that have never even played the game. FF10 has high encounter rate, that game doesn't get shit on, it for some reason gets highly praised despite changing characters and attacking in the same repetitious combat but taking so man y actions in order to do a single attack of an idea that on paper sounds great but in practice is the most brain dead common sense I've ever seen in a video game, at that point I'd rather just hit x or o to attack instead of jumping through all the hoops to OHKO the enemy. Yet again, the game is highly praised, highly adored, despite having the same high encounter rate that everyone complains about in Beyond the Beyond except taking a damn action involves several steps, several steps that just wastes your time with again, the most brain dead common sense I've ever seen as "depth."

Okay, rant over.

You posted this same rant in this very thread six months ago, literally the second post here.

In any case, Lunar 1/2 Complete were more popular than Beyond the Beyond because the first Lunar Complete was hyped to hell and back at the time, whereas Beyond the Beyond....was not. It's that simple. The advertising for Lunar 2 Complete was literally "Remember that great thing we wouldn't shut up about and you all bought? Here's another.".

[Kid Fenris]

Aside from being good and well-reviewed games, the Lunar Complete titles had the benefit of the cult following generated by the Sega CD originals. There were many RPG fans who hadn't owned a Sega CD but still knew about the Lunar.games, and they were eager to try out the PlayStation remakes.

I don't think Beyond the Beyond's reputation stems from anything but Beyond the Beyond being dull. It came out on the PlayStation when there were no other RPGs available on the system in North America, and even then no one really liked it.

[Tron 2.0]

Most reviews coming out have been positive towards the remaster.Beside the localization is the same for what wd other then the redub.I will buy a copy asap.Beside,it's improvements being able to speed up the battles and the option for the japanese voice acting if you don't like the english dub.Sure i have my original copies still for the sega-cd and PS1 but i find this remaster a convenient to play it.

[JSoup]

I was interested in getting a physical copy when the announcement first dropped, on the assumption they'd go whole hog and make another pretty box to go with my two other pretty boxes. Once it was clear they weren't interested in that, and wouldn't be offering pre-orders of any kind, I lost interest in that. Will go digital for this one.

[kupomogli]

I don't think Beyond the Beyond's reputation stems from anything but Beyond the Beyond being dull. It came out on the PlayStation when there were no other RPGs available on the system in North America, and even then no one really liked it.

And here we are in 2025 people jacking off about Dragon Quest 3 HD 2D Remake being an 80 hour grind fest that's such an amazing game. Games don't sell themselves, it's the bias surrounding the games that sell and the sheep drive the sales.

But Beyond the Beyond isn't an amazing game, it's a solid classic RPG, same as Lunar. The point is, you've got two merely decent RPGs, one is highly praised like it's the best RPG ever made, the other is criticized by people who likely haven't even played it because word of mouth. Sheep.

[Kid Fenris]

Wake up, sheeple! The MEDIA just doesn't want you to learn about Tecmo's Secret of the Seven Stars!

But seriously, Beyond the Beyond is tedious, simplistic, and at best unremarkable. There's a reason no one has cared much about It over the last thirty years (wow) despite several other RPGs from that period being re-evaluated.

The "people who say this game is bad HAVEN'T EVEN PLAYED IT" argument always seems a little pathetic, to be honest. It's as though someone can't accept the reality of folks trying a game and just not liking it.

[JSoup]

I just played Beyond the Beyond for 10 minutes just so I could tell it to it's stupid face how stupid it's face is.
I then turned the TV around to face a second TV where I was also playing Lunar, just so Beyond the Beyond could see A. What a good game looks like and B. What someone enjoying a game looks like.

[kupomogli]

Wake up, sheeple! The MEDIA just doesn't want you to learn about Tecmo's Secret of the Seven Stars!

But seriously, Beyond the Beyond is tedious, simplistic, and at best unremarkable. There's a reason no one has cared much about It over the last thirty years (wow) despite several other RPGs from that period being re-evaluated.

You've just described Lunar, most of the early Dragon Quest games, etc. As I've stated, and I'll state again, I know that Beyond the Beyond isn't an amazing game, it's merely decent as a classic RPG and is on the level or above a lot of the games aforementioned. It's no Legend of Legaia, it's no Suikoden, it's no Final Fantasy 7, etc, but it's also no Monster Seed, no Eternal Eyes, and no Dragon Warrior 1 which let's be honest, was only ever really interesting or good when it was the only RPG that you've ever played. Poeple love to praise games that make their way to Romhacking.net as great RPGs simply because they're now playable, but Dual Orbs 2 is especially mediocre and Beyond the Beyond is better than that trash. Just look at this list of reviews at Gamefaqs. More people rate this meh game atleast average(5/10) or a well above average than below average.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/snes/5...orb-ii/reviews

I'm not saying that Beyond the Beyond is another above a 5/10, but I'm saying the same for Lunar, for early Dragon Quest, for all these highly praised games that people accept that have the same or worse flaws than I'd say Beyond the Beyond has. Beyond the Beyond is not a bad game, it's actually rather average, and compared to even early Dragon Quest games despite being very similar, it's easier to find where to go, and there's far less grinding, with comparable combat to the better early Dragon Quest titles and night and day better than Lunar's combat which again, straight up ass.

It's just the popular game to hate on rather than actually being a bad game. Let's say you play it like a classic Dragon Quest game and you stock on herb because RPGs teach you drugs are okay, or you stock up on mages potions. These are relatively cheap items that you can stock up on to make going through dungeons easier and remove the requirement to level grind. There are other in or out of battle items that can be used to cast spells, use buffs, debuffs, etc. But the major complaint of the game is that it's too hard, you're required to grind, and the encounter rate is too high.

After deciding to make these comments, I've started to replay Beyond the Beyond. I haven't played it in a long time, but since the first comment I've made I made it to Zalagoon, after the tree puzzle section, another one that people complain about. My mind is absolutely blown how stupid people can be with such an easy puzzle saying that this combined with the high encounter rate makes it such an impossible dungeon to get through. You can practically walk two steps and see the entire area you need to, to understand where you'll need to push the nut to and then move to a different location. There's a delay on each movement just like many of Camelot's games, so when you get to the nut just move one space at a time. Reposition yourself, and then push it again. I had no problem with this puzzle, I had no problem with the harder dungeon after this puzzle, and I only started losing LP by the time I made it to the world map and didn't want to use any of my herbs, and I think that was with one character one time. I also ran from maybe three or four battles at most here. The most trouble I had up to this point was when you only start with the main character alone because there was a battle I ran into with four bats and I couldn't escape and died, lost half my GP. I was a bit pissed off there but I continued playing and from then on no problem.

[kupomogli]

So here's where you get Tont. You can see him as a slime at my character's feet.



I'm pointing this out, because of how "supposedly" unforgiving the difficulty of Beyond the Beyond is, but from Zalagoon to I think it's Luna, and then Simone, I forgot to rest at the inn, and I didn't want to restart and still made my way there because I threw Samson in the back row and only used herbs on my characters with less LP.

But four hours and five minutes through seven towns/rest areas and seven dungeons plus the world map, where's the time to level grind? On top of one attack power in this game doesn't actually mean one attack so level grinding doesn't really mean too much in this game honestly.

The lack of bosses might be combat's biggest weakness, but the games difficulty, item management, and the overall challenge make it a much better experience than similar games that are either grindy or too easy and still no depth. If I'm going to play a gameplay focused game, the gameplay better not be ass like Lunar when that's what I'll be spending 70-80% of my time on or more.

[Aussie2B]

I think you're going a bit beyond the beyond with the derailing of this topic. If you wanna talk in-depth about Beyond the Beyond, take it to another topic. It's not even relevant to modern gaming.

We get it. You think Lunar gets too much praise compared to games you feel are of a similar quality. Different people like and dislike different games for different reasons. It's shocking, I know. I would venture to guess that the vast majority of Lunar fans would have "combat" near the bottom of the list of why they love the games. There's a reason there's an auto-fight option. Most people who love the games would probably cite the plot, characters, music, art, and graphics as their favorite aspects. The first game is a little overly sappy for my tastes, but it certainly has heart. That's what resonates with players, not so much the gameplay. The RPG genre is diverse, with developers targeting different goals with different games. Some are very gameplay-centric, others, like Lunar, focus more so on different aspects.

[Kid Fenris]

I was interested in getting a physical copy when the announcement first dropped, on the assumption they'd go whole hog and make another pretty box to go with my two other pretty boxes. Once it was clear they weren't interested in that, and wouldn't be offering pre-orders of any kind, I lost interest in that. Will go digital for this one.

If you're looking for a special edition, GungHo is running a contest where you can win a press pack full of stuff.

https://gleam.io/kFiE7/heroes-wanted...iE7-GiHw1NNYux

It's strange that they're including a digital code for the game instead of a physical copy, but hey, t-shirts and mousepads!

[Gentlegamer]

Now this is a digitpress thread!

Reminds me of the old days

[JSoup]

Thing bring Digital Press to the discussion table like a dumb, circular argument about basically nothing.

[Tron 2.0]

If anyone is looking to buy it physical you can for the PS4 version over at amazon but the switch it's not available still.Gungho,has stated the physical release is not limited if it sells well it will get another run.

[Kid Fenris]

The Switch version is up at Amazon now as well. The site thinks the game normally sells for $80, but it's still $54.99. Maybe they're using some weird algorithm for that.


https://a.co/d/5h8UYsU

Thing bring Digital Press to the discussion table like a dumb, circular argument about basically nothing.

How dare you. I'll have you know that my taste in basically nothing is better than everyone else's.

[Aussie2B]

GungHo is probably perfectly happy to let consumers be tricked into thinking they're getting a great discount, haha.

[Tron 2.0]

The Switch version is up at Amazon now as well. The site thinks the game normally sells for $80, but it's still $54.99. Maybe they're using some weird algorithm for that.


https://a.co/d/5h8UYsU



How dare you. I'll have you know that my taste in basically nothing is better than everyone else's.

Switch and PS4 are sold out but the xbox version is still in stock gungho has stated they are doing another run.
https://noisypixel.net/lunar-remaste...ock-confirmed/

[JSoup]

How dare you. I'll have you know that my taste in basically nothing is better than everyone else's.

We are aware that your taste in nothingburgers goes above and beyond the beyond.