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    Quote Originally Posted by zmweasel
    ...according to NPD...
    ...apparently. So who is that?
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    ...according to NPD...
    ...apparently. So who is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zmweasel
    ...according to NPD...
    ...apparently. So who is that?
    A three-second Google search would've answered your question, but: NPD is the most reliable source of videogame sales figures in North America, cited as gospel by retailers and publishers alike. "Subscriptions" to the NPD database cost thousands of dollars a year, which no one would pay if the information wasn't accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan
    Quote Originally Posted by zmweasel
    ...according to NPD...
    ...apparently. So who is that?
    A three-second Google search would've answered your question, but: NPD is the most reliable source of videogame sales figures in North America, cited as gospel by retailers and publishers alike. "Subscriptions" to the NPD database cost thousands of dollars a year, which no one would pay if the information wasn't accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_ro
    Quote Originally Posted by zmweasel
    the highest-rated third-party GC title is Rogue Squadron II, ranked 51st. And there are only four third-party GCN titles in the entire top 100.
    So, Nintendo has released 96 titles that were better than pretty much everything else? I can't even name 96 Nintendo-made Gamecube games. Where is this information from?

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    See the above post for a brief description of NPD, and why only the most willfully ignorant fanboy would dispute its numbers.

    As for the top 100, I was referring to the top 100 sellers for the first half of '03 across all home-console formats (PS2, Xbox, Cube).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_ro
    Quote Originally Posted by zmweasel
    the highest-rated third-party GC title is Rogue Squadron II, ranked 51st. And there are only four third-party GCN titles in the entire top 100.
    So, Nintendo has released 96 titles that were better than pretty much everything else? I can't even name 96 Nintendo-made Gamecube games. Where is this information from?

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    See the above post for a brief description of NPD, and why only the most willfully ignorant fanboy would dispute its numbers.

    As for the top 100, I was referring to the top 100 sellers for the first half of '03 across all home-console formats (PS2, Xbox, Cube).

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    What if we take first party games into account, Zach? How would games like Zelda, Metroid, Eternal Darkness, Halo, and.....uh, I can't think of any major games that Sony themselves released this year for the PS2. Anyway, how did they do? And what was nummber one for the first half of 2003? Let me guess....GTA 3.
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    What if we take first party games into account, Zach? How would games like Zelda, Metroid, Eternal Darkness, Halo, and.....uh, I can't think of any major games that Sony themselves released this year for the PS2. Anyway, how did they do? And what was nummber one for the first half of 2003? Let me guess....GTA 3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulBlazer
    What if we take first party games into account, Zach? How would games like Zelda, Metroid, Eternal Darkness, Halo, and.....uh, I can't think of any major games that Sony themselves released this year for the PS2. LOL Anyway, how did they do? And what was nummber one for the first half of 2003? Let me guess....GTA 3. :roll:
    I mentioned only third-party GC releases since they were the implied focus of the thread-launching question, but I'll gladly jack the thread with sales stats, since they're endlessly fascinating.

    Of the top 100 games across all home platforms (GCN, Xbox, PS2) for the first half of '03:

    * The highest-ranked GCN game is Super Smash Bros. Melee, at #10. SSBM is also currently the all-time best-selling GCN game in North America. God bless the U.S.A. and its insatiable thirst for violence!

    * Other first-party Nintendo games on the top 100 include The Wind Waker (#23), Super Mario Sunshine (#28), Metroid Prime (#34), Luigi's Mansion (#35), Mario Party 4 (#47), Starfox Adventures (#74), Pikmin (#77), and Animal Crossing (#80).

    * Counting both first- and third-party releases, GCN titles hold 13 spots, Xbox games hold 12 spots, and PS2 games hold 75 spots.

    * PS2 games hold 8 of the top 10 spots, and 18 of the top 20.

    * Grand Theft Auto III was the #2 game for the first half of 2003; Vice City was #1.

    * Halo is the highest-rated first-party Xbox game (#5). Others include Project Gotham Racing (#40), NFL Fever 2002 (#67), Amped (#86), and Mech Assault (#100).

    * The highest-ranked first-party PS2 game is Gran Turismo 3 (#3). Others include ATV Offroad Fury (#13), Jak and Daxter (#17), SOCOM (#18), ATV Offroad Fury 2 (#39), Twisted Metal: Black (#42), The Getaway (#44), Dark Cloud (#66), and Ratchet & Clank (#94).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulBlazer
    What if we take first party games into account, Zach? How would games like Zelda, Metroid, Eternal Darkness, Halo, and.....uh, I can't think of any major games that Sony themselves released this year for the PS2. LOL Anyway, how did they do? And what was nummber one for the first half of 2003? Let me guess....GTA 3. :roll:
    I mentioned only third-party GC releases since they were the implied focus of the thread-launching question, but I'll gladly jack the thread with sales stats, since they're endlessly fascinating.

    Of the top 100 games across all home platforms (GCN, Xbox, PS2) for the first half of '03:

    * The highest-ranked GCN game is Super Smash Bros. Melee, at #10. SSBM is also currently the all-time best-selling GCN game in North America. God bless the U.S.A. and its insatiable thirst for violence!

    * Other first-party Nintendo games on the top 100 include The Wind Waker (#23), Super Mario Sunshine (#28), Metroid Prime (#34), Luigi's Mansion (#35), Mario Party 4 (#47), Starfox Adventures (#74), Pikmin (#77), and Animal Crossing (#80).

    * Counting both first- and third-party releases, GCN titles hold 13 spots, Xbox games hold 12 spots, and PS2 games hold 75 spots.

    * PS2 games hold 8 of the top 10 spots, and 18 of the top 20.

    * Grand Theft Auto III was the #2 game for the first half of 2003; Vice City was #1.

    * Halo is the highest-rated first-party Xbox game (#5). Others include Project Gotham Racing (#40), NFL Fever 2002 (#67), Amped (#86), and Mech Assault (#100).

    * The highest-ranked first-party PS2 game is Gran Turismo 3 (#3). Others include ATV Offroad Fury (#13), Jak and Daxter (#17), SOCOM (#18), ATV Offroad Fury 2 (#39), Twisted Metal: Black (#42), The Getaway (#44), Dark Cloud (#66), and Ratchet & Clank (#94).

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    Quote Originally Posted by zmweasel
    As for the top 100, I was referring to the top 100 sellers for the first half of '03 across all home-console formats (PS2, Xbox, Cube).
    Ah, that makes sense then... I thought you were talking about the top 100 Gamecube games or something.

    So out of 12 Gamecube games on the list, 25% of them were third part... that's not quite as bad as I thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zmweasel
    As for the top 100, I was referring to the top 100 sellers for the first half of '03 across all home-console formats (PS2, Xbox, Cube).
    Ah, that makes sense then... I thought you were talking about the top 100 Gamecube games or something.

    So out of 12 Gamecube games on the list, 25% of them were third part... that's not quite as bad as I thought.

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    Zach: Would you get in trouble if you just posted the whole top 100? If not, will you do it? Please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WiseSalesman
    Zach: Would you get in trouble if you just posted the whole top 100? If not, will you do it? Please?
    I would indeed get in trouble, but a little Google-ing will locate any number of naughty NPD sharers on website forums.

    I've edited my earlier post, as I miscounted; it's 13 GCN titles in the top 100, not 12, with 4 of those 13 being third-party. (It's only 75 PS2 games in the top 100, not 76.)

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    Interesting stats.

    Kinda sorry to see that GTA holds both spots -- it's a fun pair of games, but yes, it does speak volumes for the game playing majority in this country. I thought that almost half of all game players were over the age of 25?

    The NPD does'nt do PC games, do they? There's a number of other groups that report on those, however. Does anybody track handheld sales?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulBlazer
    Interesting stats.
    I *love* NPD. It's amazing and depressing to see what sells and what doesn't.

    Kinda sorry to see that GTA holds both spots -- it's a fun pair of games, but yes, it does speak volumes for the game playing majority in this country. I thought that almost half of all game players were over the age of 25?
    The industry-funded studies which claim a significant percentage of adult gamers and female gamers are a crock, as they generally include grandmas who play Windows Solitaire.

    The NPD doesnt do PC games, do they? There's a number of other groups that report on those, however. Does anybody track handheld sales?
    NPD tracks GBA sales, as well.

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    Well, I believe from my own personal experience that a large number of adults DO play both PC and console games, though I suspect the PC market is a big bigger.

    They include GBA games sales? What's been the best selling GBA game? If I had to make a educated guess, I'd say it was one of the Mario re-makes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulBlazer
    Well, I believe from my own personal experience that a large number of adults DO play both PC and console games, though I suspect the PC market is a big bigger.
    Oh, there are definitely more grown-ups in the PC world. Indisputably true.

    I haven't encountered too much console/PC-gaming crossover, however; PC gamers, at least in game-reviewer circles, are very snobbish, whereas console gamers are jes' plain folks.

    They include GBA games sales? What's been the best selling GBA game? If I had to make a educated guess, I'd say it was one of the Mario re-makes.
    You are an educated man. Top ten GBA titles for October, in order:

    Super Mario Bros. 3.: Mario Advance 4
    Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
    Pokemon Pinball Ruby & Sapphire
    Pokemon Ruby
    Pokemon Sapphire
    Donkey Kong Country
    Kirby's Nightmare
    Sonic Advance 2
    Yu-Gi-Oh! Worldwide
    Mega Man Zero 2

    #1 through #7 are all Nintendo-published.

    I can't believe anyone still wonders why Nintendo hasn't done a retro-collection. Why the hell would it, when it can instead sell each moldy-oldie as a $30 GBA cart?

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    Thanks for posting the October stats, Zach. Any chance you know what the OVERALL best selling GBA game has been?

    PC gamers snobbish? Really? Well, myabe the young ones. I've played both PC and console games for years, though, and most of my friends do. I just feel that there are some games better done on a PC (strategy and FPS) and some games better done on a console (RPG). Sports are mixed -- I have the PC version of Madden 2004 but most of my other sports games are console.

    And I don't see anything wrong with Nintendo taking their old games, updating them a little, and selling them again full price. If the public is willing to buy it, then it's a great move. Sega has bundled their games together (Sonic and Phantasy Star) cause they knew the games alone would not sell good enough as stand alones. Hey, the games are still popular -- SMB 3 was STILL the best selling video game in history. Nintendo just is getting better at learning what the costumer will pay for.

    (Something Sony is learning about launching it's PSX in Japan......)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulBlazer
    Thanks for posting the October stats, Zach. Any chance you know what the OVERALL best selling GBA game has been?
    That, I don't know offhand, but I'll do some research and find out for ya.

    PC gamers snobbish? Really? Well, myabe the young ones. :) I've played both PC and console games for years, though, and most of my friends do. I just feel that there are some games better done on a PC (strategy and FPS) and some games better done on a console (RPG). Sports are mixed -- I have the PC version of Madden 2004 but most of my other sports games are console.
    Again, most of my experiences with PC gamers are those of the game-critic kind, but I've always sensed a general contempt. Not that, given the current sorry state of the PC gaming market, there's much to be contemptuous about.

    I myself play many more console than PC games these days, as consoles are where the freelance moolah is at, but I played plenty of PC games in the olden days of the '80s -- probably because the C64 and Amiga were game consoles in computer disguise.

    And I don't see anything wrong with Nintendo taking their old games, updating them a little, and selling them again full price.
    Hey, I didn't say there was anything wrong with it, either! You tryin' to get the Nintendo fanboys mad at me? Heh. I think it's a testament to the greatness of Mario 3 et al that the GBA versions sell as well as they do.

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