Pretty Woman didn't have prostitutes AND rape. If it featured a rape scene with views of penis penetrating pussy, then it would be porn. And, it would be illegal to sell it to minors.
Repeating my question: Why do you guys say "porn on video" should be age-restricted to adults only, but "porn on PS2" should have no restrictions?
Basically, I wish clarification on why the Double Standard between videos and games? Why do you think videos should be age-restricted and games not?
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But it had Prostitutes and attempted rape, plus it portrayed prostitution in a fair light (go out, get picked up by wealthy nice guy, get treated very well, get paid very well, have fun), surely that presents a dangerously misleading impression to young girls everywhereOriginally Posted by gamingguy
, plus there was attempted rape which still presents the motivation and mentality behind the act.
Now you're changing your argument and adding additional variables to support your case, however the addition of these variables actually weakens your argument because GTA doesn't actually involve the hardcore depictions that you're now basing your argument on.
Rather than constantly expecting everyone else to repeatedly define their point and do everything for you (as usual
@Bagora, YoshiM: You're right to agree to disagree, don't expect to get too far with this one, he has a history of wrecking discussions because of his self-opinionated manner.
I asked a simple question:
Why should kids be forbbiden from buying porn movies, but allowed to buy pornographic games?
You're still dodging.. some things just never change
@Nvrmore: That's why I stopped after I read his response to my Pretty Woman entry. I said my piece and even fleshed it out some. If the person can't comprehend what we're saying, well tough.
I'd just hate to live in their world.
I comprehend your points:
- You think kids should be free to buy pornographic games.
- But not pornographic videos.
As for Pretty Woman, I didn't realize it had rape scenes. I was wrong when I said "prostittutes and rape" equate to porn. Clearly porn is more than that. It involves Sex and Close-Ups of body parts which few games have.
Still, a lot of today's games would easily carry a "NC-17" or "PG-13" rating if they were movies. In my opinion, these games should have the same restrictions as movies.
I shouldn't get sucked into this thread. I've got other things to do. But dang it all.
Getting off the "pornographic" thing, since you have no freakin' clue what pornography is except for the broad definition in your mind. We'll focus on M-Rated games.
-Where did we say kids should be free to buy M-Rated games? Please site word for word examples from this thread where we actually say that. I don't remember saying it, I said the government shouldn't get involved while in the same breath agreeing that kids shouldn't get these games and its up to the stores and mostly the parents/guardians who should prevent these titles from getting into the kids' hands.
You loved the movie 1984, didn't you? :P
@YoshiM: You're probably right to walk away, the poster with whom you're trying to have a reasoned discussion is notably incapable of such due to his self-opinionated manner (and has a history of such). IMO you've made your point very well, don't get drawn in, he'll only drag the same thing out pointlessley because you don't concede to what he believes is right.
Thank you for the clarification. You're right. I did mis-understand your view. I apologize.
However as was pointed out earlier, voluntary restrictions have not worked. Stores like Wal-Mart/Best Buy have stated they will not sell M-rated games to underage kids and teens. But as shown on Dateline, stores like Wal-Mart/Best Buy continue to sell M-rated games to minors anyway. 80-90% of the time, these stores ignore their own policy and sell M-rated games to minors.
And parents are either too clueless or lazy or both, to protect their own children. (Sad isn't it?)
My view is that since voluntary restrictions have been tried, and not worked, the state governments should pass a law to make the restrictions mandatory... just as they do with other adult items like videos, alcohol, cigarettes.
Does that sound reasonable?
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Okay, accepted. Now that that's settled:
First off, ya gotta lay off the Dateline. While they are a good source of news, however when it comes to hot topics they tend to sensationalize. Case in point: they ran a "shocking report" about how children are getting burned to death because they were spilling *open* containers of gasoline by water heaters in basements (thus starting a fire when the gas runs into the heater). They made this big hoopla over it and to *demonstrate* how this can happen they used a child mannequin and a bucket of gas. A BUCKET. They tipped the bucket and let the fuel run under an improperly installed water heater. Flames followed the stream to the bucket and then the mannequin. Then they state how dangerous this is (as doll starts to smolder). Not that any of that has any true basis to real life, but I think you get my point. Dateline doesn't do a great deal of research on a hot topic like game violence and more than likely they hit all of the "bad" stores that don't do any sort of ID check. Wal-Mart and Best Buy are probably the worst examples as the associates are usually no more than stockers and are either not trained or don't think about not selling the mature games to kids.
Yes, it is sad that some parents are too lazy to know what goes on in their child's life. While a law would eliminate a potential problem, it doesn't mean that those games won't get into kids hands. Kids still get cigarettes. They still get alcohol. If the kids want it, they get it any easy way they can. If a kid wants a game bad enough they will try and con their parents into it or perhaps another relative. They may even get an older friend to buy it. What if the child orders a game over mail order and pays COD? How's the poor store clerk to know if the kid is an adult?
The problem goes deeper than violent games or movies. There's a problem in the home. The only way this problem could possibly be fixed is that men and women are temporarily sterilized and have to apply for a sort of birthing license in order to have children. But then again, that steps on people's reproductive and possible religious rights, so it'd never fly.
So to put a law down about mature games isn't going to work on a nationwide scale. It'd be too difficult to maintain and hard to enforce on a large scale. They could draw up the law all ways until Tuesday and it will never pass because it'd be too tough to manage and that any ruling would probably stir the pot even more, given the volatile nature of free speach. The best we can hope to do is contact our local stores and voice our concern. And then, as Crosby Stills Nash and Young said: "Teach our children well."
That makes sense. I get the impression you disagree with government-enforced age restrictions on alcohol and cigarettes, because they don't work. Is that true?
I know I've often seen underage teens smoking here at the local bus-stop. Obviously the law didn't stop them from obtaining the cigarettes illegally.
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No, no. I used alcohol and cigarettes as an example, not a basis to my thinking of government restrictions. If you remember my other posts, these two things themselves are in a class all their own. It's one thing to slap a law on substances like alcohol and cigarettes. It's another to slap one on a medium like video games and movies. And don't mention porn-it ain't media in the sense of movies, though neither is the Carrot Top movie. If there weren't state restrictions (in some states), local stores (ala Wal-Mart) probably would not sell porn anyway as it would offend it's "Family" atmosphere (and why they sell censored CDs and sell movies loaded with F bombs is beyond me). It's trying to put a law on thought and speech, which is what movies and games ultimately are. The backlash potential is too great.
Anyway, I think we hit this issue enough. Look, it's bleeding from every oriface and it coughed up snot on the pavement. I don't know if anyone is actually READING this post anymore. I think we're back at neutral ground with a better understanding of things. Let's leave it die.
And I must say, THAT is my last zenny on this. Nope. No more. There isn't much else one could squeeze onto this topic.
Oh, really? A videogame will teach Johnny to be bad?
Not the hypocrisy and violence of so-called adults, who glorify guns and wars? Not Rambo 2, which was praised by our President in the 1980s?
Every day, we fill the world with partisan politics, war, death, destruction, hypocrisy, crime, and Lord only knows what, but OF COURSE it's a videogame that causes the problem with kids.
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