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    Default Offical Xbox 360 Backwards Compatible list Released

    http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?op...=1579&Itemid=2

    According to Next Gen an MS rep said there would some annoucement today Nov. 11th about the Xbox 360's backwards compatibility.

    Hopefully it'll be a list of compatibile title's but right now anythings possible.

    MS hasn't released anything yet, at least nothing that's been reported but with any luck we should be hearing something soon.

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    Part of the report was that Halo 1 and 2 would both be playable, and in 720p instead of the formerly 480p limit. I'm sure that'll elicit several hard-ons around here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flack
    Part of the report was that Halo 1 and 2 would both be playable, and in 720p instead of the formerly 480p limit. I'm sure that'll elicit several hard-ons around here.
    That was yesterday's report. Apparently there's more to come today.

    Speaking of the halo comparision, here's the comparision picture.


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    Oh yeah, 720p, but damnit, wheres my 1080? I want to play the way my TV needs to damnit!

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    I don't think Halo was made for 1080

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    Quote Originally Posted by njiska
    Quote Originally Posted by Flack
    Part of the report was that Halo 1 and 2 would both be playable, and in 720p instead of the formerly 480p limit. I'm sure that'll elicit several hard-ons around here.
    That was yesterday's report. Apparently there's more to come today.

    Speaking of the halo comparision, here's the comparision picture.

    Big Picture Goes 'ere
    Er, is that really a fair comparison? The 480 one is twice as zoomed as t'other one, right? Or does that make no difference? And good lord this whole 480 business confuses me, can someone explain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daltone
    Er, is that really a fair comparison? The 480 one is twice as zoomed as t'other one, right?
    Yup. The 480p picture must be zoomed in to twice the size of the 720p image just to get the same proportions to account for the larger resolution of a 720p image.

    If you zoomed in the 720p image to the same level that the 480p image has been, the pixels would be the same size. That's really not a good comparison because then you'd only be able to show a quarter of the image which is shown in the same *real* space (on an HDTV) as the 480p image would be

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    I don't get it. They show "comparison shots" of a high-def image that would make you puke, but I can hook my Genny up through an RF switch and it looks great.

    Something smells fishy.
    It doesn't get any more serious than a Rhinocerus about to charge your ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davepesc
    I don't get it. They show "comparison shots" of a high-def image that would make you puke, but I can hook my Genny up through an RF switch and it looks great.

    Something smells fishy.
    The only thing that stinks here is your lack of ability to read the article.

    If you had bothered to read, you would notice that the 360 does not output the same way the Xbox does, and Bungie does not yet have the tools necessary to compare 720p images to original Xbox stills with direct feed. The HD image (which looks about 8 billion times better than the original Xbox image) is a still captured from video taken from the console. Kind of like a copy of a copy.

    And I really can't understand how you can think those HD shots looks crappy. FSAA on old Xbox games is about the greatest thing they could have done for backwards compatability, percentage of the library be damned.

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    So how does this backward compatibility work? I keep hearing the word emulation used but I was always under the impression that it took a ton of CPU power to emulate a moderately modern console. I can't imagine that the 360 is THAT much more powerful than the Xbox that it can emulate it accurately through software.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Griking
    So how does this backward compatibility work? I keep hearing the word emulation used but I was always under the impression that it took a ton of CPU power to emulate a moderately modern console. I can't imagine that the 360 is THAT much more powerful than the Xbox that it can emulate it accurately through software.
    3 cores running at 3.2 ghz that's the equivalent of 3 3.2 ghz hyper thread processors running in parellel. That's more then enough power to emulate the original Xbox in software.

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    Here we are. The offical list:

    * Airforce Delta Storm
    * Alias
    * Aliens vs. Predator: Extinction
    * All Star Baseball 2003
    * Amped: Freestyle Snowboarding
    * Army Men: Sarge’s War
    * Atari Anthology
    * ATV Quad Power Racing 2
    * Baldur’s Gate Dark Alliance II
    * Barbarian
    * Barbie Horse Adventure
    * Batman Begins
    * Battle Engine Aquila
    * Battlestar Galactica
    * Blinx 2
    * BMX XXX
    * Brute Force
    * Buffy the Vampire Slayer - Chaos Bleeds
    * Cabela’s Dangerous Hunts
    * Cabela’s Outdoor Adventures 06
    * Cabela’s Deer Hunt 2005
    * Cabela’s Deer Hunt: 2004 Season
    * Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth
    * Call of Duty: Finest Hour
    * Casino
    * Catwoman
    * Chicago Enforcer
    * Circus Maximus
    * Close Combat: First to Fight
    * Colin McRae 4
    * Combat Elite
    * Commandos 2
    * Conflict: Desert Storm
    * Constantine
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    * Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
    * Curse – The Eye of Isis
    * Dark Angel
    * Darkwatch
    * Deathrow
    * Digimon Rumble Arena
    * Dinotopia
    * Dead or Alive 3
    * Drake
    * Egg Mania
    * ESPN MLS Extra Time 2002
    * Euro 2004
    * F1 Championship Season 2001
    * Fable
    * Fable: The Lost Chapters
    * Fairly Odd Parents: Breakin’ da Rules
    * FIFA 2003
    * FIFA 2004
    * FIFA Street 2005
    * FIFA World Cup 2002
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    * Fight Night Round 2
    * Ford Mustang Racing
    * Ford vs. Chevy
    * Forza Motorsport
    * Freedom Fighters
    * Frogger
    * Futurama
    * Fuzion Frenzy
    * Genma Onimusha
    * Goblin Commander
    * Grabbed by the Ghoulies
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    * Grand Theft Auto Vice City
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    * Gravity Games Bike: Street. Vert. Dirt.
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    * Half-Life 2
    * Halo
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    * Harry Potter & The Goblet of Fire
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    * Kelly Slater’s Pro Surfer
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    * MTV Music Generator 3
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    * MX World Tour - featuring Jamie Little
    * Namco Museum X Next Generation
    * NBA Live 2003
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    * Pro Race Driver
    * PUMP IT UP
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    * Raze’s Hell
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    * Red Faction II
    * RedCard 20-03
    * Robotech: Battle Cry
    * Rocky: Legends
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    * Rugby 2005
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    * Samurai Warriors
    * Scooby Doo: Night of 100 Frights
    * Scrapland
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    * Soccer Slam
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    * Sonic Mega Collection
    * Speed Kings
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    * Spyro: A Hero’s Tail
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    * Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
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    I'm amazed Yourself is on there.

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    Holy Jesus, thanks for the big, "FUCK YOU" to Sega, Microsoft.

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    THAT'S IT?



    No NFL Madden 2006 or NCAA Football 2006? No Dead or Alive XBV? No Sheume II? No Panzer Dragoon Orta? No Metal Gear Solid II?

    There's almost nothing in my current library of games for the XBox that WOULD play on the 360!

    Damn, that means I'd have to keep my XBox around and plugged in and find room for it. I was hoping to be able to 'upgrade' and sell the old system like I do with the PS3 and the Rev. This bites. :/
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    Hmmm.. only 3 of my games are on that list. Makes my decision to wait on the 360 a little easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stressboy
    Hmmm.. only 3 of my games are on that list. Makes my decision to wait on the 360 a little easier.
    Remember it is a rolling list though. More and more will be supported each month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by njiska
    Quote Originally Posted by stressboy
    Hmmm.. only 3 of my games are on that list. Makes my decision to wait on the 360 a little easier.
    Remember it is a rolling list though. More and more will be supported each month.
    Yeah I know. I am going to keep my eye on it.

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    is it MS or the developers that makes the compatibility patch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richter
    is it MS or the developers that makes the compatibility patch?
    MS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richter
    is it MS or the developers that makes the compatibility patch?
    I'd imagine that anyone with a 360 dev kit can work on it. If Microsoft has any brains at all, they'd give serious attention to this area. That's a pretty sad backwards-compatibility list at launch. Time will tell if things will substantially improve. In a year or two it won't matter as much, but this has gotta hurt for some people who were planning on just using the 360 for all their games, as well as those who never had an Xbox to begin with, but might be interested in Xbox titles for their shiny new 360. Bleh.

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    No Jet Set Radio Future or The Warriors??

    Ouch...

    At least both Ninja Gaidens are backwards compatible. *phew!*

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    That's 213 compatible games. On Xbox.com, they list 769 titles under "Catalog." If accurate, that's about 27.7% of the Xbox catalog that is compatible with the Xbox 360. Frankly, this number is pathetic for a system that touts "backward compatibility" with a previous system's library.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cantaloup
    That's 213 compatible games. On Xbox.com, they list 769 titles under "Catalog." If accurate, that's about 27.7% of the Xbox catalog that is compatible with the Xbox 360. Frankly, this number is pathetic for a system that touts "backward compatibility" with a previous system's library.
    It's not an absolute list. They will constantly be adding emulators for download over the coming months, so the number should (hopefully) jump to well over what it's at now.

    But more important to this issue, can the original Xbox communicate with the 360 in that you can transfer files from the old to the new? I'm certainly not restarting saves in any of these games.

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    None of the Splinter Cells?! Army Men, Barbie's Horse Adventures, and BMX XXX among other floods of shitty games, but no Rayman 3 or Beyond Good & Evil?! No (well, okay, a few) Sega games? Shenmue II...where art thou.

    Actually, I don't give a shit. To tell the truth, I hate backwards compatibility unless it significantly boosts graphical quality, shortens load times, and the successor console's controller is considerably more comfortable than its predecessor. The PS2 came along, for example, and rendered my PS1 useless. The PS2 didn't have a better controller, or better graphical quality for PS2 games...yet there was no reason not to play PS1 games on it.

    I guess the main reason I hate backwards compatibility is because as a video game collector, I try to own every system, but it seems entirely stupid to own a PS1 when I own a PS2. Yet I do. I'm addicted to collecting.

    I'm glad to see I'll still need my Xbox for games though, instead of it becoming a PS1 situation and just sitting there connected to one of my many switcher boxes and surge protectors but being unused. To tell the truth, even if the 360 was 100% backwards compatible, my modded Xbox would still get lots of use - Xbox Media Center's capabilities kick the shit out of the 360's media capabilities.

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    Unlike most of you, I'm stunned it can play that many Xbox1 games.

    When I read about the emu backwards compatibility, I *knew* it would be a hit and miss list (mostly miss), and indeed it is exactly that.

    There about 4 titles I own in that list.

    I'm sure it will grow. Hurry up and wait, those of you who expected backwards compatibility to be *real*.

    What is most amusing to me is that most people I speak to (OSG customers) seem to 'expect' full backwards compatibility now, like it's some sort of established standard. I'd hardly call these consoles:

    Atari 7800
    PS2
    (GameBoy is not a console)

    an established standard upon which to expect the way consoles have been for 30 years to suddenly change.

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