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Thread: DP Members: Beware of the "Scam-and-Burn"

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Shawn
    That was real good work. It's just sad that it makes new people (like myself) look like we can't be trusted, as video games are the reason I joined anyway.
    I agree 100% with you Shawn.I to am new to DP.I have been on ebay several years now. See stems2000.I have never tried to scam anyone.I guess I hope to get exactly what I am buying.Sometimes your feedback is hard to build up because people do not leave it.I always tell people to let me know how things are.I do like this site because you can buy,sell or trade things to help your collection or someone elses.Good job Berserker for helping point out people like that.Hopefully that can keep those people from messing things up for us.Thanks

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    I agree with the sentiment David said. He was getting to be a great member of the board. Doing the masquerade is underhanded and there are better ways of doing it.

    It's like that cover of American Splendor with Letterman telling Harvey Pekar "You F---ed up a great thing."


    Oh well...

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    Wow. Great work Berserker. This is one of those threads you have to read the entirety of, and in that regard is 2nd only to the mighty "Bio Force Ape" debacle, which, I think, will never be topped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrJustinRamone
    Wow. Great work Berserker. This is one of those threads you have to read the entirety of, and in that regard is 2nd only to the mighty "Bio Force Ape" debacle, which, I think, will never be topped.
    You have expressed my sentiments exactly. This was huge, and I literally thought of the farcical Bio Force Ape thread when I delved into this one. I read this stickied announcement this morning as if it was a major news event in the world. I was completely stunned that a trusted DP'er would stoop so low. I must commend you, Berserker, for a wonderful investigative job.

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    what a douchebag. This sentence basically sums up what a tool he is

    [09:35] NintendoNut: brb i need a smoke im all worked up now lol

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    I'm getting scared of buying from the b&s forum nowdays, to be honest. I've had so many deals fall through, no replies when I've been about to send money and PMed the seller to double check something... a package I paid for over a month ago hasn't arrived, but as that was a one off, I'm letting it slide (it could have been the postal system, I'm really not sure). It really sucks that something like this had to happen.

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    I'd like to say there is some reasable defense to his actions, but I honestly cant think of anything. If he had been interested in checking prices, he wouldnt have demaned payment before shiping. What, would he suddenly anounce that he was the same person and refund everyone? Would he actualy go thru and send out the games? We will never know now. Should this surprise or scare anyone? To a degree, yes and no. The buying and selling section here has never been a 100% safe place to buy as one will always run the risk of getting ripped off. Things wont be described as they actualy are. Things may never get shiped at all. People dont pay up to what's agreed. The ways one can get scamed or many. All this realy does for me is let me know who one of the posible scammers are. You can go by post counts in trying to verify if someone is a solid member of DP who values their respect earned here, but honestly that is a very stupid way. Consider that any new person can post up to 25 threads a day (is responses the same?) or 25 responses. Now, if they do that many for 7 days, that gives them 175 posts in one week. In one month, that gives them 700+ Posts. Basicly what I myself have gathered in a year and a half of posting. Does this mean that person who's been here only a month has the same credability as myself? I would hope not! People who have history tend to not get up and disapear. Sure, everyone has the posibilty to go bad, but getting worked up and scared because someone with an 8 month history shows himself to be a potential scamer is realy not a good enough reason to get worked up into a panic. Exspecialy if you yourself were not a victem.

    Use the buying section to sell.
    Use it to buy stuff as well.
    Not everyone in it is a crook, but not everyone is honest. Basicly, you the buyer/seller should decide if you can trust or not. Myself, I'm going to continue to buy stuff on the buying and selling. One day I may very well get scamed. Thankfully it's not been that way so far.

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    Whatever his intent, his actions were reprehensible.

    As both a buyer and a seller, Berserker has my thanks for keeping a sharp eye on the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avatard
    I would never ever buy anything from someone with a user name with every other letter capitalized anyhow. Or with a "leet" speak name. It wreaks of doing business with a 13 year old. Good work none-the-less.


    I can definitely understand that line of reasoning.

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    Yeah, it's been said before, but I'm glad to see him go because A) He's obviously a dumbass scammer, and B) his username irritated me. Stupid Kazaa, influencing people's capitalization.

    Hooray for Berserker.
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    Well, I was just over at rfgeneration at saw that Donut has stuff for sale, mostly the same type stuff he had listed here under that "secret identity". I dropped a post in the thread basically stating that I would find it hard to deal with him after all the bs over here. I then asked if he would ship first.
    Let's see what, if any, response he gives...
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    For what it is worth. It is all about integrity. Regardless of the reasons. No other business would tolerate this. I think the term is called shill (creating a false identity in order to manipulate).

    This is a good life lesson. No matter how much you think you can get over no matter how tempting it is to be deceitful you never really know who's watching.

    NiNtEnDoNuT1983 crossed the line and got called on it.
    Good job Berserker.
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    Wow! (realize I'm chiming in a bit late), I haven't traded with Nintendo Donut boy before but would have done so without hesitation. Just tell me, who wouldn't trust a racoon mario, wiith that cute little tail and all? You wouldn't? Well, maybe I would have my doubts if it were mario in the tanooki suit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jagdiesel
    Well, I was just over at rfgeneration at saw that Donut has stuff for sale, mostly the same type stuff he had listed here under that "secret identity". I dropped a post in the thread basically stating that I would find it hard to deal with him after all the bs over here. I then asked if he would ship first.
    Let's see what, if any, response he gives...
    He said he would.

    I think this thread is funny as hell.

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    First off, excellent work Berserker, and on behalf of the entire DP community thank you for being vigilant and protecting all of us.

    For those of you that feel that Nintendonut really didn't plan to scam anyone in the end, consider his actions when confronted in the thread by Berserker.

    Denial and coverup. Had he simply come clean at that time, who knows maybe this whole thing goes in a different direction, but his reaction clearly shows what his intentions were.

    Consider also that had his intentions trully been what he said they were, don't you think he'd be much more likely to recieve serious feedback, and thus be more likely able to determine these games true value, by posting as a recognized user with an established rep on DP?

    There are many veteran collectors on this board that are too savvy, and are not going to give a n00b like this the time of day on the games he was offering.

    Make the same offer as a reputable (certainly moreso than as a complete n00b) member of DP and you're going to see alot more people come out of the woodwork.

    His actions are contrary to what his stated intent was, no question the right decision was taken.

    Everyone here that does business in the B&S forum can feel even more secure now knowing that we have this caliber of people minding the store for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumpman Jr.
    After reading Berserker's latest post, there isn't a doubt in my mind that he was trying to scam people, and thus, the actions taken are 100% justified to me.
    1. For the purpose of recanting my previous statement in this thread, I couldn't have said it any better than Jumpman did. 100% in agreement.

    2. I thought I was alone on the Ninten-Donut thing, but apparently *really* not.

    3. Anybody else surprised by the fact that he's not some 14 year old spoiled rich kid with Daddy's credit card? Because that was my first impression, what with the spelling and all. Irrelevant, I suppose, however.

    That is all. Thanks again, Berserker.

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    lol
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    In looking over the comments about members not taking a chance on newbs, by being so paranoid about being scammed by posters with little or no feedback or low post-counts, one also runs the risk of totally missing out on finding new reliable and honest traders/sellers as well. I personally don't do alot of posting, but when I first started replying to a few WTB posts, an established member of this board "took a chance" on me as a total newb. (at that time, I had NO feedback, and maybe about 4 posts) But, as a result, over the next few months he ended up buying literally thousands of $ worth of additional classic games from me. Similarly, when I started my own selling thread last year, a few others took a chance and ended up glad that they did. I'm not saying one should not be reasonably cautious <insert George Bush Sr. "prudent" quote here>, but if nobody ever trusted anyone, there would never be any trading/buying/selling going on at all. It's like the "real" world in the sense that the only way to become established at something is for someone to give you a chance. Anyways, that's my two-cents worth on that...
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    This really has nothing to do with the thread but doesn't everyone remember they where a "noob" once.

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    Nice work, Berserker.

    Let this thread be a warning to all scammers (and scammer wanna-bes).
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    Very well said. Not only do I understand what you're trying to say, I couldn't agree more.

    I just for the life of me can't figure out why anyone would care what anonymous others on a forum think.

    Oh well.

    Quote Originally Posted by blissfulnoise
    For what it's worth…

    I can understand if he was trying to sell the games "on the downlow" as he perceived he might damage his credibility, whatever it actually was. It can be painful having to walk away from a passion that you love under non-optimal circumstances so leaving with a degree of anonymity can help soften the blow.

    So many people come into this hobby, like any other, rack up thousands and thousands in debt to try to try and “play with the big boys”. After the realization of what they’ve done sets in, they end up dumping their collection when they realize they can’t sustain it.

    I don’t know if this is NintendoNut’s scenario or not, but regardless, it can be embarrassing to a degree to make some name for yourself as a collector, then be forced to turn your back on it for whatever reason. Most people who dump their collections on boards like these subsequently leave and never come back. But some may want to stick around as gamers or enthusiasts and still participate in discussions. And as such, they might feel that they’re somehow less worthy to be around, or at least fear they’ll be perceived as such.

    I don’t know if I’m expressing this correctly, it’s still kind of muddled in my mind, but I just want to say there IS a logic behind his actions if we give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he doesn’t mean to rip anyone off.

    I actually considered these things when I put up my Myriad and RacerMate but the reasons for me listing it weren’t necessarily financial, but more of a self-sacrifice given the circumstances surrounding their sale.

    Ultimately though, in my opinion, I doubt he would have attempted to rip anyone off. After all, simply posting your items under a different user account doesn't make a scam in and of itself. He would still need set up a system to allow him to receive payment without revealing himself completely. Not to mention, over items like that, you can be assured mail fraud would come into play if there was a non-completed transaction.

    I’m the first to sound the horns when I detect bullshit around here. I love these forums. I really do. You guys, by and large, are a great bunch and it pains me when we get gamefaqs kiddies around here, spammers, scammers, and idiots in general. But I think that we may have gone too far in this case without knowing all the facts. While I do realize you can only go so far when you take someone at their word, this may have been a literal witchhunt to hold an example up for the people who really do want to rip people off.

    And for what it's worth, NintendoNut was one of the highest offers on my Myriad, but we couldn't agree on a price I could accept. Shortly after that transaction fell apart he began to sell parts of his collection. Related? Dunno. But it might be relevant to this conversation.
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    I usually don't buy or sell on here (but I have in the past), so I didn't see this thread until now.

    I just wanted to say nice one Beserker.

    Oh, and I always read his user name as Ninten Donut too. (bastard)
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    Although Berserker's detetive work was great, I don't necesarily agree with the whole "ban him" thing. As long as he sends first to other people who cares?

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    Oh and BTW his myspace would make baby jesus cry.

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    I'm relatively new to the boards, so I just want to say:

    1. I've dealt with Nintendonut on NESWORLD with success before, and until now I had an 'anything goes after one trade' mentality. Now I know how foolish that idea is and how it invites a scam.

    2. I'm glad people keep a close eye on things, it keeps us all safer. If others see the royal slam you get from just trying something shady, more scammers will go elsewhere.

    Many thanks, keep up the good work.

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