FF12 demo - I don't like this new battle engine

[kevin_psx]

Just played the demo that comes with Dragon Quest. FF 12 uses a style similar to Kingdom Hearts-- you control character 1, and the computer controls characters 2/3. And instead of lining up to face the enemy, the players run around chaotically. A confusing mess. I don't like it. (Also missing is the cool battle music-- replaced with elevator music crapola.)

Prefered the battle style use in FF4-10 with cinemas / special effect animations.

It was like watching a movie that you directed.
Beautiful.

[kevin_psx]

Just played the demo that comes with Dragon Quest. FF 12 uses a style similar to Kingdom Hearts-- you control character 1, and the computer controls characters 2/3. And instead of lining up to face the enemy, the players run around chaotically. A confusing mess. I don't like it. (Also missing is the cool battle music-- replaced with elevator music crapola.)

Prefered the battle style use in FF4-10 with cinemas / special effect animations.

It was like watching a movie that you directed.
Beautiful.

[Ed Oscuro]

I had always wondered why the FF games were still lining up the characters, instead of making use of environmental stuff. Oh well. Maybe this is the game to change that.

[Ed Oscuro]

I had always wondered why the FF games were still lining up the characters, instead of making use of environmental stuff. Oh well. Maybe this is the game to change that.

[anagrama]

Well, isn't that the whole point of playing a demo? To see if you like it or not?
Now you've discovered you don't, you can save yourself $50 by not buying the full version.

[anagrama]

Well, isn't that the whole point of playing a demo? To see if you like it or not?
Now you've discovered you don't, you can save yourself $50 by not buying the full version.

[kevin_psx]

Anagrama - you are correct. But it's Final Fantasy. Reknowned for having great stories from FF4 onward --so I might be able to overlook the clumsy battles-- if the story is any good.

This game will need to have one hell of a story --else like Kingdom Hearts I'll sell it off on ebay to recover my cash. (Of what I saw so far KH is actually better than FF12.) There was an awesome battle engine in FF10-2. They should have used that. Imho.

I had always wondered why the FF games were still lining up the characters, instead of making use of environmental stuff. Oh well. Maybe this is the game to change that.

Nope. The environment has no effect on the battle (that I could tell).

It's just a chaotic mess.

[kevin_psx]

Anagrama - you are correct. But it's Final Fantasy. Reknowned for having great stories from FF4 onward --so I might be able to overlook the clumsy battles-- if the story is any good.

This game will need to have one hell of a story --else like Kingdom Hearts I'll sell it off on ebay to recover my cash. (Of what I saw so far KH is actually better than FF12.) There was an awesome battle engine in FF10-2. They should have used that. Imho.

I had always wondered why the FF games were still lining up the characters, instead of making use of environmental stuff. Oh well. Maybe this is the game to change that.

Nope. The environment has no effect on the battle (that I could tell).

It's just a chaotic mess.

[s1lence]

Well I like the fight engine that is in both KH games. Sure its a bit chaotic, but aren't most REAL battlegrounds that way.

[s1lence]

Well I like the fight engine that is in both KH games. Sure its a bit chaotic, but aren't most REAL battlegrounds that way.

[slip81]

Well that's a bit of a dissapointment for me. I like the turn based system used in all previous FF games.

Real time battles with more than one character are okay (the Tales series does it well), but I just don't like it as much as turn based.

[slip81]

Well that's a bit of a dissapointment for me. I like the turn based system used in all previous FF games.

Real time battles with more than one character are okay (the Tales series does it well), but I just don't like it as much as turn based.

[exit]

I liked the demo of FF12, it's a big change for the series, but it's them trying something new. The gameplay reminded me more of .hack than anything else, which is probably another reason why I enjoyed it.

I won't pick the game up for if it retails for $50, but I'll pick it up after the price drops.

[exit]

I liked the demo of FF12, it's a big change for the series, but it's them trying something new. The gameplay reminded me more of .hack than anything else, which is probably another reason why I enjoyed it.

I won't pick the game up for if it retails for $50, but I'll pick it up after the price drops.

[zerohero]

Grandia battle system - random battles = FF12 battle system.

[zerohero]

Grandia battle system - random battles = FF12 battle system.

[kevin_psx]

Well I like the fight engine that is in both KH games. Sure its a bit chaotic, but aren't most REAL battlegrounds that way.

Technically true-- but don't think a >fantasy< game should go for realism. I liked the "cinema" feel of the previous games where you can sit back & watch the battle unfold. I liked seeing FF7's Cloud do his 20-hit Sword Slashing, or FF10's Lulu say, "Burn" and unleash some major butt-kicking.

But now that is gone.

It's just a button-masher. (yawn)

I prefer FF4-10's order to FF12's chaos.




I am a member of the Dominion.

[kevin_psx]

Well I like the fight engine that is in both KH games. Sure its a bit chaotic, but aren't most REAL battlegrounds that way.

Technically true-- but don't think a >fantasy< game should go for realism. I liked the "cinema" feel of the previous games where you can sit back & watch the battle unfold. I liked seeing FF7's Cloud do his 20-hit Sword Slashing, or FF10's Lulu say, "Burn" and unleash some major butt-kicking.

But now that is gone.

It's just a button-masher. (yawn)

I prefer FF4-10's order to FF12's chaos.




I am a member of the Dominion.

[Daltone]

Is the combat anything like that in Vagrant Story? I've not seen much of the game in action, but that's what I first thought of when I saw it.

[Daltone]

Is the combat anything like that in Vagrant Story? I've not seen much of the game in action, but that's what I first thought of when I saw it.