But that's the thing, he's a marketing figurehead. He's SUPPOSED to be visible. It's his job.Originally Posted by Snapple
Game designers makes games. There's not that much reason to know who they are.
But that's the thing, he's a marketing figurehead. He's SUPPOSED to be visible. It's his job.
Game designers makes games. There's not that much reason to know who they are.
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Lame list. I've never even heard David Jaffe being talked about. I knew who he was, but that's about it. Where the hell is Cliffy B?
I can't agree at all with the honorable mentions. Mizuguchi has done some great work and isn't all that highly recognized, and no one gives a shit about American McGee (although Oz would've been good).
I agree with all the people - especially Kojima.
MGS2 sucked soooooooo much it wasn't even funny. Well, actually, I DID laugh throughout the whole game because it was so god-awful.
Kojima $%#@ed up MGS2 so much so that I haven't played the newer games and could care less about the upcoming next-gen sequel.
Miyamoto is overrated simply because he is the gaming world's equivalent of Steve Jobs. People honestly don't think his crap stinks. I have seen ZERO innovation in a Zelda game since 2000's Majora's Mask, ZERO Innovation in a 2D Zelda since '93's Link's Awakening, ZERO innovation to a 3D Mario game since 96's Mario 64...ZERO innovation to a 2D Mario game since 95's Yoshi's Island, ZERO innovation to Star Fox since the original game in '93, ZERO innovation to 2D Pokemon since the original, ZERO innovation to Metroid since Prime and Super Metroid...basically, this guy is thought of as some awesome something because he either created or worked on great games years or decades ago. I'm not saying he isn't worth anything because obviously he's talented...but the last truly good game he made from scratch was Pikmin. Since then, nuthin' but sequel city...
I disagree with Kojima and Miyamoto being on the list I think they deserve there spot of greatness because they earned it. great games like msg for the psx and super mario 64 maybe old and forgotten but are 2 of the best produced games out there.
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They weren't overrated THEN but they are overrated NOW.
No one was saying they didn't do great things in the PAST. But just because you do something great once or a few times doesn't mean you should get to wear the crown of "Awesomeness" forever. Also, if you end up creating crap later on, that should damage your reputation as well.
I my opinion, MGS2 sucked so bad it HURT my memories of the original game. I don't doubt the original MGS is a good game, but I no longer mention it to people as something truly wonderful....Kojima's fluke of greatness, that's all.
And those are conveniently the points in which Miyamoto stopped having a significant role in the development of the games.For the most part, all he does these days is have other people create new entries in the franchises he created, and once they have something to show, Miyamoto takes a look and says "yeah, this looks good".
I don't see what Miyamoto ever had to do with Pokemon and Metroid, though. o_O Metroid is Gunpei Yokoi's baby (and he died after Super Metroid), and Game Freak developed Pokemon.
All Nintendo games are basically credited to Miyamoto nowadays, just like the Gamecube was pretty much HIS machine, made the way he wanted. This is both good and bad because whether or not he was involved with a game every step of the way or just giving the final okay to a title under the Nintendo brand, he is the name everyone associates with it.
So, yes, while other people may have had more significant roles on certain games, when you hear Nintendo you think Miyamoto...not the guy who made Super Mtroid or the guy who was the creator of Pokemon or the guy who came up with Starfox and so on.
Well, that's the point of his inclusion. He deserves all the credit he gets for his own creations, but he's overrated when he's getting credit that other people should be receiving. But he also shouldn't take the blame if there are any problems with the recent games.
That list is absolutely terrible...the guy has no idea what he is talking about.
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Actually I was talking about his games over 8 years AGO when he designed the original Unreal Tournament. I give the guy a whole lot of credit for having two monster games in UT and Gears of War under his belt by the age of 32.
If people are going to put Miyamoto on the list then what about Jason Rubin, formerly of Naughty Dog? If Crash Bandicoot and his various games (including Crash Team Racing) weren't inspired by Mario in some way, then you'll have to tell me what the inspiration was. A lot of the Crash games weren't even that good. I'd be curious to hear why Rubin hasn't even been mentioned yet. At least Miyamoto has had a few more original ideas in his lifetime than Jason Rubin. He sure as heck hasn't put together a game as sloppy as Way of the Warrior, at least not any game I've ever heard of. I understand a fighting game released back on the 3DO shouldn't have any bearing on a list released in 2007 but that isn't the point. The point is that maybe Miyamoto is overrated but top five? I just don't see why Jason Rubin or his (former) cohorts are getting a free pass here.
Well My point is that if you stack their resumes up with any others they will hold there own. How many people try to develop games and create blockbusters? Tons of people try but many never get the brass ring. The unfair thing is that no one can consistantly put out blockbusters. The is not one person alive. Ms2 might have hurt your eyes but alot of people loved it and zone of enders 2 was great as well as pikman. I call it crabs in the barrel when you are on top people want you to fall off. They revel when you do just look at Rare to hear people talk you would think rare create drake. When one makes a great great game it is hard to top it No matter how good a sequel is to some it is never better than the original. overated I don't think so.
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ShenmueFan sure does talk a lot.
Sorry dude, but the majority of your posts just come off as really, really annoying.
I have nothing to say about the list. I barely play any games by anyone on the list, besides CastleVania and Tetsuya Mizuguchi's games. I agree that CastleVania is getting stale, and I liked Every Extend Extra.
Yeah.
-GoTaS
That seems uncalled for. I don't have a problem with his posts.
Well people with stupid opinions who can't back up what they're saying annoy me!
At least I attempt to back up my opinions with a good description of WHAT I'm trying to say.
Beef min.
Calm it.
-GoTaS
Okay.........................anybody understand that or do I have to break out the L33T dictionary, 5th grader edition?
Search for a thread called "it calm the beef min".
After you find it, be prepared to be just as confused as you are now.
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Just searched and .... yeahhhhhhh ... ummm.... I'm gonna go to sleep now.
What about the original Metal Gear series for the MSX and NES? He more or less invented the sneaking game, how many designers can boast that they've created/popularized a new genre? And Snatcher and Policenauts?
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