Manhunt 2 banned

[Vroomfunkel]

Couldn't see a thread on this ... if I missed it, lock the thread I guess! Manhunt 2 has been banned in the UK ... all those sick UK gamers will have to get it shipped from France now:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/6767623.stm

Expecting Jack Thompson's immigration forms to come through any minute ..

[diskoboy]

Couldn't see a thread on this ... if I missed it, lock the thread I guess! Manhunt 2 has been banned in the UK ... all those sick UK gamers will have to get it shipped from France now:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/6767623.stm

Expecting Jack Thompson's immigration forms to come through any minute ..

My guess is, a good portion of Europe and Austrailia will probably ban Manhunt 2.

[tom]

Actually, I heard that Europe wants to unite in the 'fight against violent videogames'? Anyone else heard about this?

[heybtbm]

You've got to love the socialist, "nanny-state" mentality. What games you play or movies you watch should be determined by the individual...not the government. Let the marketplace sort it out. If people don't want to have games like this made...don't buy them. I guarantee they'll go away as soon as people stop buying them.

[DefaultGen]

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[Kitsune Sniper]

Ah, Europe. The only place where you can see boobs in primetime, but you don't have the right to purchase a violent game.

And they call -us- the bad guys...

[jajaja]

Ah, Europe. The only place where you can see boobs in primetime, but you don't have the right to purchase a violent game.

And they call -us- the bad guys...

Boobs > Violence

;)


I dont mind this ban at all. Isnt Manhunt a game where the main goal is to kill people in the most gruesom ways to get most points? I wonder why anyone wants to play that :\

[Kitsune Sniper]

Boobs > Violence

;)


I dont mind this ban at all. Isnt Manhunt a game where the main goal is to kill people in the most gruesom ways to get most points? I wonder why anyone wants to play that :\

Because it's a GAME. It's made up. It's NOT REAL.

Because those morons think that playing games like this will lead to kids going crazy. Well this isn't a KID'S GAME. It's for young adults and older. It's rated as such.

[Chadt74]

I was talking to a guy over in Europe when I lived over there briefly and he described boobs on prime time vs. violence on TV this way..

Would you rather teach your kids to kill or f[have sex].

As for the banning it does seem a bit over the top, it is rated Mature for those of us who can tell the difference between fantasy and reality.

[FastRobPlus]

I was talking to a guy over in Europe when I lived over there briefly and he described boobs on prime time vs. violence on TV this way..

Would you rather teach your kids to kill or f[have sex].

As for the banning it does seem a bit over the top, it is rated Mature for those of us who can tell the difference between fantasy and reality.

The US is still living in Victorian times. It's hard to even wrap my brain around how backward censorship is here.

[jajaja]

Because it's a GAME. It's made up. It's NOT REAL.

Because those morons think that playing games like this will lead to kids going crazy. Well this isn't a KID'S GAME. It's for young adults and older. It's rated as such.

I know its just a game :P But still, i wonder why people want to play games like this. Its suppose to simulate how to kill people in the most horrible ways, where is the fun in that? Its the same with movies, i dont understand why people enjoy looking at movies like Giuena Pig (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0161634/), that is also "just" a movie, its not the real thing.

[Kitsune Sniper]

I know its just a game :P But still, i wonder why people want to play games like this. Its suppose to simulate how to kill people in the most horrible ways, where is the fun in that? Its the same with movies, i dont understand why people enjoy looking at movies like Giuena Pig (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0161634/), that is also "just" a movie, its not the real thing.

Where's the fun in using a yellow thing to eat pellets and big ones so he can kill ghosts? Or an Italian plumber that's commits turtle genocide?

It. Is. A. Game. Just because YOU (or anyone else) can't figure out why it's fun, doesn't mean it should be banned.

[jajaja]

Where's the fun in using a yellow thing to eat pellets and big ones so he can kill ghosts? Or an Italian plumber that's commits turtle genocide?

It. Is. A. Game. Just because YOU (or anyone else) can't figure out why it's fun, doesn't mean it should be banned.

You dont understand my point? I'm just wondering why people really enjoy seeing people i.e getting stabbed alot of times, game or not. I havnt mentioned anything that the game should be banned because i dont like it, i'm just wondering why people like and really enjoy to play games where you have to kill people in the most horrible ways. I simply cant figure it out. And why do you think the game was banned? Why do movies and games get age ratings?

I think you see the difference between Pacman, Mario and Mahunt 1 and 2, but if you want to put things on the edge; why is weed illegal? Just because YOU (not directed to you, but genereally speaking) or anyone else wants it to be legal doesnt mean it should be legal.

[diskoboy]

Well - It may take a beating here in the US, as well.

'Watchdog groups' now want this game slapped with an AO (Adults Only) rating. The equivalent of getting an X or NC-17 rating.

http://gamepolitics.com/2007/06/19/wii-mote-prompts-watchdog-groups-demand-that-manhunt-2-be-adults-only/

I'm getting the strangest preminition, they may actually cancel this game, peroid.

[FastRobPlus]

Well - It may take a beating here in the US, as well.

'Watchdog groups' now want this game slapped with an AO (Adults Only) rating. The equivalent of getting an X or NC-17 rating.

http://gamepolitics.com/2007/06/19/wii-mote-prompts-watchdog-groups-demand-that-manhunt-2-be-adults-only/

I'm getting the strangest preminition, they may actually cancel this game, peroid.

Thanks - I just read that story.
The argument I hear being made on Gamepolitics is "You should enforce "M" better parents!"
I won't argue with that, but making the game AO (along with some other games of this nature) would serve as a jolt to let parents know that some games really are for mature audiences. I think that's a good thing. I would not care if this "...kills Take Two because of decreased sales" if the reason for the decrease is that less youngsters are playing a game not even intended for them in the first place. That would be like admitting that the game was designed for this younger audience to begin with, and that the producers are being hypocritical in voluntarily giving it an M rating. On the other hand, it's safe to say that many chain stores would not carry an AO game at all, thereby potentially deflating sales because the game is harder to find even by the audience old enough to play it.

[Gamereviewgod]

The game has received an AO in the US, all versions apparently.

http://gamepolitics.com/2007/06/19/breaking-manhunt-2-rated-adults-only-by-esrb/

[Kitsune Sniper]

Well - It may take a beating here in the US, as well.

'Watchdog groups' now want this game slapped with an AO (Adults Only) rating. The equivalent of getting an X or NC-17 rating.

http://gamepolitics.com/2007/06/19/wii-mote-prompts-watchdog-groups-demand-that-manhunt-2-be-adults-only/

I'm getting the strangest preminition, they may actually cancel this game, peroid.

I'm all for giving it an AO rating. Totally serious. At least that'll keep it OUT of children's hands, but unfortunately it'll keep it out large retailers like Toys'R'Us and Wal-Mart. (And an AO rating is more like an R rating, in this case. Leisure Suit Larry: Magna cum Laude really deserved the AO due to its insane sexual content.)

jajaja: Weed is illegal because it is a mind-altering substance and can cause harm to people, either directly (by damaging the user's body) or indirectly (by harming others while under the influence.) This game should be rated properly so it can't be seen by children, but it should NOT be banned outright.

I personally don't understand why people like the game, either. But that doesn't mean I'm against its sale, or anything like that.

[FastRobPlus]

Leisure Suit Larry: Magna cum Laude really deserved the AO due to its insane sexual content.)


The Xbox got an M and an AO version. The AO cover is even bustier.

[diskoboy]

The game has received an AO in the US, all versions apparently.

http://gamepolitics.com/2007/06/19/breaking-manhunt-2-rated-adults-only-by-esrb/

Yeah - I definitely smell a cancelation, or either a platform switch.

The reason I say they'll switch platforms: Without the Wii's controller scheme, it wouldn't be like actually simulating a murder.

[Kitsune Sniper]

The Xbox got an M and an AO version. The AO cover is even bustier.

Wasn't the AO version PC only? I've never seen an AO XBox version. I -heard- it got released in Europe, but not in the USA.

[FastRobPlus]

Wasn't the AO version PC only? I've never seen an AO XBox version. I -heard- it got released in Europe, but not in the USA.

Correct - it's a PAL version.

[FastRobPlus]

Yeah - I definitely smell a cancelation, or either a platform switch.

The reason I say they'll switch platforms: Without the Wii's controller scheme, it wouldn't be like actually simulating a murder.

I think I have a plan to save this title.

You remember how in Sneak King you get to sneak up on unsuspecting people and kill them give them delicious Burger King brand food products? I think they should do a similar rework with this game.
They could re-model the weapons as Nerf toys and distribute the game though MacDonald’s. Nerf could sell all sorts do supplemental Wiimote sleeves for all the wacky things they come up with to kill tickle the games many victims lovable characters.

I’d still want it to be rated AO though. Maybe have a Hot Coffee mode or something.

[Garry Silljo]

Why is everyone blaming the Wii-mote? PS2 and PSP got the same rating.

[jajaja]

jajaja: Weed is illegal because it is a mind-altering substance and can cause harm to people, either directly (by damaging the user's body) or indirectly (by harming others while under the influence.) This game should be rated properly so it can't be seen by children, but it should NOT be banned outright.

I personally don't understand why people like the game, either. But that doesn't mean I'm against its sale, or anything like that.

True what you say about weed, but i belive that games like Manhunt can fuck up peoples mind too. I'm not saying that a normal person who plays this game goes insane after its been played, but people who already are unstable can be affected by it. Sure, this goes by alot of things and i know you cant ban everything that can make unstable people worse, that would be crazy, but its not like Manhunt does anything good to people (except the ones that cash in on it) if you know what i mean. So i think people can do fine without it. I have played Manhunt 1 for like 5 minutes so i dont know much about it, but doesnt it have this insanity factor built around it?

Age rating is a good thing, but its still easy for kids to get these games. I remember buying Resident Evil 2, which is 18+ (atleast in Europe), when i was like 14 years old without a problem. The same with Lula (porn game). The guy in the store just said "i hope your mom wont come and yell at me" or something like that hehe. This is ages ago tho so maybe the stores are better today when it comes to following the age limit on games.

Games like GTA, Soldier of Fortune etc. etc. i dont mind them, but games with pretty much senseless violence and being rewarded for horrible killing is games i can do fine without. It wouldnt bother me if the game wasnt banned since i would never buy it anyway, but it doesnt bother me that is banned either.



Why is everyone blaming the Wii-mote? PS2 and PSP got the same rating.

Probly because you "preform" the actions in a more lifelike way than just pushing some buttons.

[Garry Silljo]

Probly because you "preform" the actions in a more lifelike way than just pushing some buttons.

You miss my point. PS2 and PSP got AO as well. These use the traditional control scheme, so the control must not be the reason.

[jajaja]

You miss my point. PS2 and PSP got AO as well. These use the traditional control scheme, so the control must not be the reason.

Ah sorry, i thought you ment why/if people were talking bad about the Wii version only and not the PS2 and PSP version. Sure, the content of the game is why it gets AO, not the control scheme for the Wii.

[FastRobPlus]

This has nothing to do with the controller. I don't think folks are getting too hung up on that aspect. The real question is:
Did this game get an AO becuse it deserves and AO? Or did it get an AO becuse the M rating is not really taken seriously?

I think that's the whole debate summed up. Once you ask that question, the subject invariably changes to ask: Aren't parents supposed to be monitoring the Ms? Isn't AO a way to hide M games that some moral right wing finds extra objecitonable? Does that mean the industry admits it's ratings don't work? Isn't this all a slippery slope?

[Kitsune Sniper]

True what you say about weed, but i belive that games like Manhunt can fuck up peoples mind too. I'm not saying that a normal person who plays this game goes insane after its been played, but people who already are unstable can be affected by it. Sure, this goes by alot of things and i know you cant ban everything that can make unstable people worse, that would be crazy, but its not like Manhunt does anything good to people (except the ones that cash in on it) if you know what i mean. So i think people can do fine without it. I have played Manhunt 1 for like 5 minutes so i dont know much about it, but doesnt it have this insanity factor built around it?

Age rating is a good thing, but its still easy for kids to get these games. I remember buying Resident Evil 2, which is 18+ (atleast in Europe), when i was like 14 years old without a problem. The same with Lula (porn game). The guy in the store just said "i hope your mom wont come and yell at me" or something like that hehe. This is ages ago tho so maybe the stores are better today when it comes to following the age limit on games.

Games like GTA, Soldier of Fortune etc. etc. i dont mind them, but games with pretty much senseless violence and being rewarded for horrible killing is games i can do fine without. It wouldnt bother me if the game wasnt banned since i would never buy it anyway, but it doesnt bother me that is banned either.

You don't mind Soldier of Fortune? The game that allowed you to completely dismember any character in the game, limb by limb, and even at any particular joint? And you can't understand why Manhunt is liked?

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What? Do you think SoF got popular because it was a good game? NO, it was popular because of all the ways to kill a person. The sniper rifle is fun. :p

Also, the insanity thing? That goes for any game. But again, it's up to the parents to make sure that stuff like that doesn't happen. Of course, if adults do it... eh. :p

[sabre2922]

Europe is the WORST type of hypocrits. meaning they look at it as OK for T and A to be shown in primetime tele yet they ban violent VIDEOGAMES:rolleyes:

[FastRobPlus]

Europe is the WORST type of hypocrits. meaning they look at it as OK for T and A to be shown in primetime tele yet they ban violent VIDEOGAMES:rolleyes:

People are born naked and strip daily, often in front of others. It’s kind of natural unless you were raised in an uptight society *cough*usa*cough*korea*cough*iran*cough*

But it’s less common and honestly, in my opinion, less natural to put a gun to someone’s head and pull the trigger, watching coolly as their body falls to the ground in a slump.
That is what some countries *cough*usa*cough*korea*cough*iran*cough* have no trouble airing on primetime in lieu of the nasty, subversive T and A.

So who really deserves the :roll:

[diskoboy]

Yeah - I'm from the US, and I'm puzzled why we shun nudity, yet adore violence.

[FastRobPlus]

Yeah - I'm from the US, and I'm puzzled why we shun nudity, yet adore violence.

I'm not sure I'm puzzled by it. Many countries with large standing armies, especialy Theocratic countires glorify violence. Especially if it's in the name of Justice.

[Richter Belmount]

People are born naked and strip daily, often in front of others. It’s kind of natural unless you were raised in an uptight society *cough*usa*cough*korea*cough*iran*cough*

But it’s less common and honestly, in my opinion, less natural to put a gun to someone’s head and pull the trigger, watching coolly as their body falls to the ground in a slump.
That is what some countries *cough*usa*cough*korea*cough*iran*cough* have no trouble airing on primetime in lieu of the nasty, subversive T and A.

So who really deserves the :roll:

not *cough*every*cough*country*hurl*Is*Fart*the*puke*S ame
That was unecessary , see this is easier.
~_^

[Richter Belmount]

Well I think it was a good idea to give the game a Ao rating. Keep the game away from impressional morons that we call children.But a outright ban of the game in europe , is probably the biggest surprise of the year for me. I thought the uk looked down on censorship of this kind.

I think this rockstar game was targeted because the censorship noticed that rockstars games have always been popular and rockstar has always pushed content in their games and set standards in the video game industry. Remember the push of grittier games after grand theft auto 3 came out? (gta clones , free roaming games , more grittier and darker toned games)

[FastRobPlus]

not *cough*every*cough*country*hurl*Is*Fart*the*puke*S ame
That was unecessary , see this is easier.
~_^

Hit a nerve huh?

[heybtbm]

Hit a nerve huh?

No, he was just pointing out how naive and shortsighted your comment was. Pretty simple really.

[FastRobPlus]

No, he was just pointing out how naive and shortsighted your comment was. Pretty simple really.

Must've done it wrong then, since he (and you) have still failed to deliver that point.

[heybtbm]

Must've done it wrong then, since he (and you) have still failed to deliver that point.

Flamebait is flamebait. I call it as I see it. When you make a moronic generalization, you should expect to get called on it. That's how it works here. Anyway, I don't feel like arguing about it. After reading your previous posts in this thread...I agree with you for the most part. What I don't agree with are statements like "X" country is this way and "Y" country is that way. That shit is just tired and naive. I was just trying to point that out. Nothing more.

[FastRobPlus]

Flamebait is flamebait. I call it as I see it. When you make a moronic generalization, you should expect to get called on it. That's how it works here. Anyway, I don't feel like arguing about it. After reading your previous posts in this thread...I agree with you for the most part. What I don't agree with are statements like "X" country is this way and "Y" country is that way. That shit is just tired and naive. I was just trying to point that out. Nothing more.

No flaming here. Just a statement of fact. In the US (where I live at least) you can watch murder on TV, but not frontal nudity.

Let me say again- this is not flamebait, it is a fact.

Sorry if it was taken as flamebait. I also used Iran and Korea as examples becuse I have watched thier TV programs for extended periods.

You may have me confised with the guy earlier that said:

"Europe is a hipicrite (Sic) becuse they have T&A :rolleyes:"

[RPG_Fanatic]

I know its just a game :P But still, i wonder why people want to play games like this. Its suppose to simulate how to kill people in the most horrible ways, where is the fun in that? Its the same with movies, i dont understand why people enjoy looking at movies like Giuena Pig (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0161634/), that is also "just" a movie, its not the real thing.

It's just like watching Saw III look how much money that movie made IT'S JUST A MOVIE!!!!!! just like Manhunt is just a GAME!!!!! get over it already, if you don't like it don't buy it!!!! But i will just like i watched Saw III.

[heybtbm]

No flaming here. Just a statement of fact. In the US (where I live at least) you can watch murder on TV, but not frontal nudity.

There are (obviously) alot of reasons for that...but one thing that stands out to me is the fact that the "murder" you see on TV (or wherever) is fake. It's pretend violence. With nudity, you're either naked or you're not. I'm not sure where I'm going with this, but I can see a difference between the two. Still, you won't hear me complaining if they break out a few boobies in prime time. FOX will be first...I'm calling it.

[FastRobPlus]

There are (obviously) alot of reasons for that...but one thing that stands out to me is the fact that the "murder" you see on TV (or wherever) is fake. It's pretend violence. With nudity, you're either naked or you're not. I'm not sure where I'm going with this, but I can see a difference between the two. .


I still feel more comfortable explaing to a toddler who sees nudity as I flip through stations what he's seeing than I would a simulated murder.


Still, you won't hear me complaining if they break out a few boobies in prime time.

There we can agree!

[smork]

I don't like the banning of anything -- purely as a knee jerk reaction.

But the AO rating exists for a reason (as does NC-17 for movies) -- if something is absolutely not for children, then it should be restricted for sale to children. Of course, parents could still buy the game for their child, even if common sense dictates that it's not appropriate. Parents COULD buy porn for their children as well, certainly doesn't mean they should.

The real problems with the AO rating stem from retailers refusing to stock such games -- I think this is indicative of two things, failure of the industry to establish a business model where its possible for publishers to make money selling AO games and the failure of mainstream game retailers to advise consumers on the meaning of the ESRB ratings. The latter point is changing -- I was 'carded' buying an M-rated game during my recent America trip, even though I am 34. I like to see that, shows retailers pay attention to ratings. If more retailers made an effort to advise on the meaning of the rating system perhaps alot of the controversy over the sale of violent games to minors would be avoided.

Seriously, though -- take out the effect that an AO rating has on the marketplace, does anybody REALLY think a game like Manhunt should be available for sale to children directly?

[Garry Silljo]

I've always thought they should just change the ratings system to be an exact copy of the MPAA ratings.

Manhunt and most M games would be rated R
Teen would be PG 13
E = G

and so on. Parents understand those ratings and have less ability to claim ignorance. They still will try though.

Anyhow, I wouldn't have a problem with the game being AO except I might want to buy it and now no one will carry it.

If they are worried about kids getting a hold of it, then we need to pass legislation with harsh punishments for retailers who sell to kids, and set up stings to make sure they comply like they do with cigarettes, beer, or anything else kids shouldn't have.

[AMG]

Well - It may take a beating here in the US, as well.

'Watchdog groups' now want this game slapped with an AO (Adults Only) rating. The equivalent of getting an X or NC-17 rating.

http://gamepolitics.com/2007/06/19/wii-mote-prompts-watchdog-groups-demand-that-manhunt-2-be-adults-only/

I'm getting the strangest preminition, they may actually cancel this game, peroid.

Banned across the pond, and now an AO rating in the states.

Back to the drawing board for R*. They'll never release an AO game.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Banned across the pond, and now an AO rating in the states.

Back to the drawing board for R*. They'll never release an AO game.

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Unless it's distributed for PCs via online downloading. Oh snap!

[FastRobPlus]

Bottom line here is that we just got perhaps the stongest message yet that a vocal and growing subset of the public does not think we can properly regulate our industry. This should be worrying more companies than just TT.

[Guru of Time and Space]

Its the same with movies, i dont understand why people enjoy looking at movies like Giuena Pig (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0161634/), that is also "just" a movie, its not the real thing.

Guinea Pig has amazing makeup effects for being such a low budget film series.

EVEN CHARLIE SHEEN THOUGHT IT WAS REAL.

-GoTaS

[Anthony1]

This really sucks. Just when the Wii was finally going to get an interesting game for adults (I'm not sure I would really be down with the subject matter but still...), it gets an AO rating which means the game is going to get severly neutured. There is no way in hell that Take Two and Rockstar release an AO game. How depressing. Because you know they are going to totally fuck up the game trying to make changes to it. They are basically going to remove whole chunks of the game, and water it down, and in the end, it won't even closely resemble the original intent.

Hopefully the unedited version will somehow slip out onto the internets.


Again, I'm not sure if I would like this game or not, but I recently heard a IGN podcast from their Nintendo team, and they were talking about this game, saying that it was the closest they've seen the Wii come to Xbox 1 graphics. They said some parts of the games looked slightly better than Xbox 1, and some parts not quite as good, but that overall it was one of the most advanced Wii games they had seen so far. They also said that they couldn't comment on the gameplay too much, but to be rest assured that the game was going to pretty damn awesome. (it was a podcast from like a month ago)

After they end up neutering the game to get it down to M, I wonder what we are ultimately going to end up with? It's too bad they don't take the opposite route. Take the AO rating and run with it. Fuck it.... If they are getting a AO rating, then go ahead and go to town with it. Throw in some nudity and some sex, and all kinds of other shit too. Might as well push the boundries. They can advertise the game on the internet all over the place and sell it directly from a website.

[ProgrammingAce]

Ratings aside, does anyone actually argue the point that this game shoud be for adults only? 18+ seems like kind of a good limit considering you can take shards of glass and shove them into people's eye sockets. I'm ok with an adults only rating.

What seems stupid to me is the fact that stores won't carry an AO rated game. The ESRB got itself into this mess, they're the ones who told the stores that they shouldn't stock any games who don't have ratings. At the time, it was a profit grab (best way to make sure every publisher uses your ratings is to make stores ban unrated games). Now they come to find out it can hurt the industry.

The solution would seem to me to add an extra rating to the system. T for teen, M for mature, AO for adults only, XXX for porn. If american socity finds violence acceptable but can't tolerate nudity, lets give them a rating system that can distinguish the two.

[pragmatic insanester]

Guinea Pig is an antiquated gore series. you should watch Naked Blood instead. there's a scene where a woman eats her own vaginal lips, and another scene in which a woman plucks her eye out and devours it. even me, the hardened veteran of splatter-trash film, had to glance away from that moment.

also, REAL MEN also acknowledge the animal instinct within us and accept violence as entertainment. i'll buy an AO Manhunt 2, especially if they jack up the violence/sex levels since there's nothing worse the ERSB can do. i want to be able to pull the head off a person in-game, and then cram my character's dong through an eyesocket for extra points.

Manhunt 2 will sell regardless. An AO would be a death sentence for a no-name company's non-sequel title, but the Rockstar's infamous Manhunt... its a juggernaut, baby!

[ProgrammingAce]

@pragmatic insanester: Is your avatar some dude punching a chick in the gut, then walking off with her? Because that seems fitting in this thread...

[pragmatic insanester]

heh. its also fitting to my "title". i'm a beat 'em up fanatic, and double dragon (the gif's source) is a pioneer of the genre.

[jajaja]

You don't mind Soldier of Fortune? The game that allowed you to completely dismember any character in the game, limb by limb, and even at any particular joint? And you can't understand why Manhunt is liked?

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What? Do you think SoF got popular because it was a good game? NO, it was popular because of all the ways to kill a person. The sniper rifle is fun. :p

Also, the insanity thing? That goes for any game. But again, it's up to the parents to make sure that stuff like that doesn't happen. Of course, if adults do it... eh. :p

If SoF was a game of a insane guy going around killing any people with different weapons and tools in the most horrible ways i would never play it, but SoF is not like this. The goal with the game is not to kill people in the most horrible way, its optional. What i remember its also possible to turn of the gore if you want that.

SoF also got a "good VS evil" theme, like kill the terrorists etc. Manhunt isnt like this. Yes, SoF is a pretty violent game in detail, but its far from as violent in detail as Manhunt. Here is one example:


If you perform a level-three execution ( just like in the last Manhunt, the longer you wait before attacking, the more grotesque the death blow) with this weapon, you'll reach underneath the enemy to grab on to his family jewels, rip 'em off, and then stick the wire cutters into his back and tear out the spinal cord.

So the level and detail of the violence is huge between SoF and Manhunt.

Its not like i hate every violent games, i do enjoy FPS and beat'em up games, but when games becomes as violent and horrible as Manhunt my limit has been reached. With insane theme i mean games like Manhunt and Postal. Far from any game got that.

SoF 1 and 2 was actually pretty good games when it comes to controls, gfx and story in my opinion. I also used to play SoF2 online alot (it wasnt possible to shoot off body parts there) and it was very fun.




It's just like watching Saw III look how much money that movie made IT'S JUST A MOVIE!!!!!! just like Manhunt is just a GAME!!!!! get over it already, if you don't like it don't buy it!!!! But i will just like i watched Saw III.

What shall i get over? I just said i dont understand why people like and enjoys these kinda stuff (the Saw serie is an excellent example by the way), and that i dont mind that the game is getting banned.

I'm pretty sure that everyone on this forum can see the difference between a movie or a game and real life. If people like gore movies it doesnt nesseserally mean that they like to watch real life torture of course, thats not what i'm saying. But even if its just a movie or just game i dont go out and watch or play anything and enjoys everything violent just because its simulated and not real.



Guinea Pig is an antiquated gore series. you should watch Naked Blood instead. there's a scene where a woman eats her own vaginal lips, and another scene in which a woman plucks her eye out and devours it. even me, the hardened veteran of splatter-trash film, had to glance away from that moment.

That is sick! O_o hehe. I wonder how people come up with the ideas of making movies like this.

[djsquarewave]

I don't know if this has been pointed out yet, but an AO rating won't just keep the game out of major retailers, it will keep the game from being published entirely. Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft all refuse to license any AO-rated game, meaning in its current state, unless the ratings appeal is successful, there's no way this is going to be published here in the US.

Supposedly some European countries have already passed down a rating...just not Germany or the UK. Maybe the only uncut version will be the Scandinavian one! Great free advertising for Rockstar when the cut down version goes through the ratings systems, in any event.

Regardless, I can't say I relish the idea of using my Wiimote to rip someone's testicles off with a pair of pliers.

[Griking]

Ah, Europe. The only place where you can see boobs in primetime, but you don't have the right to purchase a violent game.

And they call -us- the bad guys...

Nothing wrong with this in my eyes. Boobs never killed anyone.

[Griking]

Where's the fun in using a yellow thing to eat pellets and big ones so he can kill ghosts? Or an Italian plumber that's commits turtle genocide?

It. Is. A. Game. Just because YOU (or anyone else) can't figure out why it's fun, doesn't mean it should be banned.

Yeah, it's just a game. People keep saying that. But it's funny (and troublesome) how people are so insistent on their right to be able to violently mutilate people in realistic 3D graphics in the name of fun.

Just because we have the right to do something doesn't mean that we should.


Weed is illegal because it is a mind-altering substance and can cause harm to people, either directly (by damaging the user's body) or indirectly (by harming others while under the influence.) This game should be rated properly so it can't be seen by children, but it should NOT be banned outright.

Bad example and a different argument altogether. Regular tobacco and alcohol are more dangerous than pot yet pot is illegal and tobacco and alcohol aren't.

[Iron Draggon]

so what's the point of even having an AO rating for games, if none of the major retailers will even carry an AO rated game and/or none of the major console manufacturers will even license an AO rated game? this is a huge point of contention that the industry should be rallying itself against... and don't blame the ESRB for it either, they're not the ones with their heads up their asses, they're just doing their job and rating the games... it's all the moral morons like WalMart with their bullshit biased policies that are really to blame, and should be held accountable for what is effectively marketplace censorship being enforced by assinine retailers who think that they should have a right to mandate what the game industry itself can and cannot sell...

why should stores like WalMart have the right to simply refuse to even sell a legally sellable product just because they don't want to have to deal with it properly? in other words, they don't want to keep the AO games locked up in the same glass cases that all the other games are locked up in, and refuse to remove them from the locked up glass case for anyone who isn't old enough to buy it? would they not still be keeping these games out of the hands of children if they did handle the situation properly, rather than not even selling the games at all? and why the fuck should all the console makers have the right to refuse to license any AO rated games, just because of the AO rating?

what this is really saying is that an AO rating is effectively an outright ban...

so try and sugar coat it all you want, but what we have going on here is just as bad as some authority in Britan banning the game outright, because that's exactly what's happening here too, they're just trying to cover it all up and make it look like it isn't what it is... so let's call censorship what it really is...

CENSORSHIP!

point me to a petition to put an end to this type of blatant censorship and I'll very happily sign it... this is bullshit, and it needs to be stopped before it gets even worse... they say that developers like Rockstar will just continue to make more and more violent games until they finally cross a line that should never be crossed, well by the same token major retailers like WalMart will just continue to censor more and more games until they finally cross a line that should never be crossed too... so let's rake them over the coals for what they're doing too... why just blame it all on the developers for making the games when the retailers are effectively banning the games they make?

and where the hell are all the anti-censorship groups fighting against the censorship of video games as effectively as all the literary anti-censorship groups fight against the censorship of books? if this was a story about a book, there would be people uniting against this sort of censorship all over the world, but somehow it's supposed to be different because it's a game? there is no difference... books are just as interactive as games are... you have to turn all the pages to keep on reading them, and you have to use your imagination to fill in all the blanks... just like a video game... if you don't keep on pressing all the buttons to "turn the pages" and "keep on reading" the story will end in the same way that a book you stop reading ends... video games are far more like books than they are like movies, and yet you rarely hear games being compared to books, they're always compared to movies!

[sabre2922]

No flaming here. Just a statement of fact. In the US (where I live at least) you can watch murder on TV, but not frontal nudity.

Let me say again- this is not flamebait, it is a fact.

Sorry if it was taken as flamebait. I also used Iran and Korea as examples becuse I have watched thier TV programs for extended periods.

You may have me confised with the guy earlier that said:

"Europe is a hipicrite (Sic) becuse they have T&A :rolleyes:"

FIRST off GUY

Not ONCE did I ever state that the U.S. werent hypocrits in their own rights.

In fact the U.S. does the opposite they ban and shun nudity and seem to celebrate violence in all forms of "entertainment" so yes I do agree with your overall point.

The thing is YOU could have made your point without being so sarcastic and rude thats all the other members of this forum are trying to point out to you.

Second I see that you are NEW to this forum and I have been here for a while so I wouldnt suggest you come all up in here and start flaming on someone that you dont know.

This isnt gamefaqs,gamespot or whatever other forums you are used to posting on.

Just a recommendation GUY;)

[mailman187666]

if retailers would carry the game with an AO rating, I think it would sell the game off the charts. No one has seen an AO game yet and if this is the first to get it and is actually allowed to be sold, it will fly off the shelves for everybody to own thier first AO game. Rockstar could make M rated versions of the game for retail and AO versions off thier website or something.

[Super Mario Fan]

if retailers would carry the game with an AO rating, I think it would sell the game off the charts. No one has seen an AO game yet and if this is the first to get it and is actually allowed to be sold, it will fly off the shelves for everybody to own thier first AO game. Rockstar could make M rated versions of the game for retail and AO versions off thier website or something.


I hear you. I had no interest in this game, but now that everyone's making a big deal about it and it's AO, I'd definatley try it out.

[FastRobPlus]

FIRST off GUY


This isnt gamefaqs,gamespot or whatever other forums you are used to posting on.

Just a recommendation GUY;)
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I'm not used to posting on forums like this. They contain too many "GUYS" like you.

[norkusa]

I don't understand why the same retailers that cary NC-17 movies on their shelves refuse to cary AO games. If I can walk into Best Buy and easily purchase the Mondo Cane or Guinea Pig box sets (which I wasn't carded for BTW), it doesn't make sense why they'd refuse to sell stuff like Manhunt II. It's totally a double standard.

[sabre2922]

I'm not used to posting on forums like this. They contain too many "GUYS" like you.

:duh:

[Kitsune Sniper]

Bad example and a different argument altogether. Regular tobacco and alcohol are more dangerous than pot yet pot is illegal and tobacco and alcohol aren't.

I know pot isn't -as bad-, but it's still a substance that alters your perception of things. Say you're stoned and driving a car. You fall asleep, people get hurt. Pot won't make people go crazy or violent, but if you're doing something that requires your full attention to prevent others from getting hurt, you're asking for trouble.

Also, about games getting AO ratings... the uncut version of Magna Cum Laude got released in Europe for the XBox (and PS2, I think), and that was Adult Only. Or 18, whatever that rating was.

I'll say it again. Make Manhunt 2 for PC, and with digital distribution. And fuck the censors.

[xmagxus]

I'm not in the UK but if I were i'd be more likely to break the law if they actually do follow through with this. Violent games dont make me want to harm people..... its people that whine about video game violence being the root of all evil that make me want to "slam their heads into a sidewalk repeatedly"

See? videogamess dont draw out violent ideas from my head, its the people blaming games for their poor parenting that make me violent.

[hbkprm]

games like this are protected by the 1st amendment here in the states but im not blaming you for being banned in other countries

[Frica89]

See the thing with video games is that they're called "games," and as a result they're considered to be children's toys by the uninformed masses. Family stores like Wal-mart will not sell a game like this, yet they will sell copies of Saw, which is like the film equivilent. As someone mentioned before, there is definitely a double-standard present, and it sucks.

I was thinking about picking this up on the Wii because it sounded interesting with the motion control and stuff, but I wasn't too sure. But now I'm positive that I'll be buying it simply for the principle of the damn thing. I don't want anybody telling what I can and can not play.

Also, I hope this does not have a negative effect on No More Heroes, which is supposed to be even more violent than Manhunt 2. I'm really looking forward to playing it.....it's gonna be crazy as shit.

[Richter Belmount]

See the thing with video games is that they're called "games," and as a result they're considered to be children's toys by the uninformed masses. Family stores like Wal-mart will not sell a game like this, yet they will sell copies of Saw, which is like the film equivilent. As someone mentioned before, there is definitely a double-standard present, and it sucks.

I was thinking about picking this up on the Wii because it sounded interesting with the motion control and stuff, but I wasn't too sure. But now I'm positive that I'll be buying it simply for the principle of the damn thing. I don't want anybody telling what I can and can not play.

Also, I hope this does not have a negative effect on No More Heroes, which is supposed to be even more violent than Manhunt 2. I'm really looking forward to playing it.....it's gonna be crazy as shit.

Ah damn it , I actually care about no more heroes =T.

[blissfulnoise]

Didn't see it mentioned but it looks like the Wii version isn't going to happen with an AO rating (via Kotaku (http://kotaku.com/gaming/original/nintendo-nixes-ao-manhunt-270741.php)).

[diskoboy]

(Blissfulnoise beat me to it...)

Apparently - I may be right about it doing a platform jump.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/06/20/nintendo-and-sony-wont-touch-manhunt-2-with-ao-rating/

Nintendo and Sony are both refusing to grant a liscense to any game with an AO rating. No word on MS...

What's the point of having one, then?

[jajaja]

(Blissfulnoise beat me to it...)

Apparently - I may be right about it doing a platform jump.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/06/20/nintendo-and-sony-wont-touch-manhunt-2-with-ao-rating/

Nintendo and Sony are both refusing to grant a liscense to any game with an AO rating. No word on MS...

What's the point of having one, then?

360 and Windows/Mac/Linux are the only options left. Looks like the game will be delayed. Sony did sell GTA:SA with AO rating tho. But it was rated M first. 23 games on www.esrb.org are rated with AO, but only 2 are listed as console games, GTA:SA and Thrill Kill (which never got released).

[diskoboy]

Here's another thing to consider: If it wasn't for the Wii's controller, we wouldn't be talking about this, right now.

So the only logical choice is to spruce up the GFX, and release this on the 360, with an M rating, but nothing taken out of what would've been the Wii version.

[Richter Belmount]

Maybe they can make manhunt 2 more artsy and unrealistic in its violence? kinda like killer 7.

[djsquarewave]

Didn't see it mentioned but it looks like the Wii version isn't going to happen with an AO rating (via Kotaku (http://kotaku.com/gaming/original/nintendo-nixes-ao-manhunt-270741.php)).
Well...

Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft all refuse to license any AO-rated game, meaning in its current state, unless the ratings appeal is successful, there's no way this is going to be published here in the US.
As it stands, the AO rating exists exclusively on PC games.

Honestly, I find it rather silly that there's such a huge difference in interpretation when there's only a one-year age difference for obtaining them. 17+? Yeah sure whatever. 18+? OMG NO WAY THAT IS HORRIBLE BANNED. And really, this wouldn't have happened at all if people actually took M ratings seriously.

I'm starting to wonder if the uncut version will be released in countries that have already given a rating, with a cut-down version going everywhere else. Hell, I'm even starting to wonder if Rockstar ever intended to release the game as it is anyway, riding the ratings rejections all the way to the bank from people wanting to protect their "rights", and those becoming interested soley because the game is "banned".