The Legend of Zelda vs. Final Fantasy

[Nero 99]

which series do you think is better and why? From a game play perspective Ill have to go with Zelda but the story in Final Fantasy games are far supeior. its pretty close for me but id have to say Zelda just because its alot funner to actually play.

[Poofta!]

apples and oranges (both fruit, but so vastly different)


/thread.

[5thman]

apples and oranges (both fruit, but so vastly different)

Seconded. You may as well ask if we like Mortal Kombat better than Gran Turismo.

Frankly I favor Zelda because Final Fantasy rarely features characters with any kind of depth, or even memorability beyond hairdo or bust size. And because the Zelda games' gameplay aren't comprised of number-juggling.

[Sudo]

They're not even the same genre. This poll is flawed.

[Nero 99]

They're not even the same genre. This poll is flawed.

their Both series based on saving the world and making your character stronger, both are loved by millions, both have almost all their games stared by a bonde. their close enough to make a poll .

[strassy]

i voted zelda because i don't like any FF after 6...but then again, i never played a zelda after the first one on N64, so i don't really know what i am talking about there, either.

[Nero 99]

i voted zelda because i don't like any FF after 6...but then again, i never played a zelda after the first one on N64, so i don't really know what i am talking about there, either.

really? Do you hate 3d? And if you do do you even have agood reason?

[Snapple]

Just ask me to choose my favorite child. I mean, if I had children.

[Sudo]

their Both series based on saving the world and making your character stronger, both are loved by millions, both have almost all their games stared by a bonde. their close enough to make a poll .
Not sure what you were trying to say there. The whole "making your character stronger and trying to save the world" thing can be said of countless games, they're still not at all similar.

[Pantechnicon]

I agree that it's not a perfectly fair comparison on the basis of such radically different styles of gameplay. Nevertheless I cast a vote for Zelda. I'll give five reasons (in no particular order) but try to be succinct about it:

1. Zelda requires physical reflexes as well as deduction to succeed. FF is all about deduction.
2. Link, as a character, is tabula rasa He's easier to appreciate since the player is basically projecting his/her own personality onto his mission.
3. I've always enjoyed the nutty, borderline psychotic sense of humor in the random characters Link meets on his quest. Everything in the FF games I've played seems so darned serious.
4. Zelda games maintain a high level of innocence in their presentation. It hasn't been hypersexualized like the last few FF games I've seen. I'm not knocking this, necessarily, but I've got little kids in the house and I'd rather play something I don't feel self-conscious about with them peeking over my shoulder.
5. I'm playing Phantom Hourglass right now, so maybe I'm a little biased at the moment.

[Richter Belmount]

dragon quest 4

[Haoie]

Apples and oranges.

Oh wait, someone already posted that.

Well, in any case, both series have their fans. I happen to like both, thank you.

[Buyatari]

I picked Zelda because I prefer playing a game to watching hours of anime cut scenes.

[Dark_Sol]

Absolutely FF!!

[FrakAttack]

Zelda because FF has turned into bad anime with moments of actual game play sprinkled throughout like the scattered droppings of a herd of running Chocobos.

[LifeGame]

FF no doubt

[thetoxicone]

I prefer Zelda for most of the same reasons as post by the folks above

[Berserker]

I think Aliens are the best, and here's why.

http://www.kropserkel.com/Images/alienren.jpg
- Exoskeletons. Their skeletons are on the outside of their bodies. Pretty rad.

http://www.horrorphile.net/images/alien-acid-for-blood.jpg
- Acid for blood.

http://www.rocksensations.co.uk/images/Dog-Alien.jpg
- Versatile biology. The Alien is imbued with unique characteristics of its host organism.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/ent_impact_home/2007/12/medium_alien.jpg
- Versatile on Stage & Screen. Have just one Alien and it's a horror movie. Throw in a bunch more and it's an action movie. Throw in Paul W.S. Anderson and it's a pro-wrestling movie (bodyslam!).

http://www.horrorphile.net/images/alien-acid-for-blood.jpg
- Did I mention the motherfucking acid?? They bleed it.

http://www.alicia-logic.com/capsimages/a_154WeaverAlienQueen.jpg
- Led by women. These are equal-opportunity xenomorphs we're talking about here.

http://www.horrorphile.net/images/alien-alien-head1.jpg
- They were rocking the metal grills before it was hot.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/natev/dourif.jpg
- Finally, they're not afraid to take one for the team. Like in Alien Resurrection when the two Aliens decide to kill the one, so that its acid blood (!!) would melt through their space-cage and open the way towards freedom and revenge against Brad Dourif.

So hopefully my point is proven and the matter is now settled. Alienz4evar.

[Cryomancer]

Mother

[JerseyDevil65]

They're not even the same genre. This poll is flawed.

Games don't have to be in the same genre to decide whether you like one better than the other.

I voted Zelda.

[scooterb23]

I vote for Berserker's post being way more entertaining than either Zelda or FF.

[FantasiaWHT]

Are they apples and oranges? Yes.

Am I capable of deciding whether I like apples or oranges better? Yes (apples).

I'm going to pick FF. Zelda is, admittedly, more steadfast in its quality, but FF has had the higher peaks. FF also wasn't virtually ruined (at first) by the switch to 3D.

[HYB]

Pantechnicon really summarized it up good. I'm playing Phantom Hourglass too, and it's much more fun that the constant leveling up that I'm doing in FF8. I also feel the FF series has lost it's touch after the 9th installment (which is my favourite, garnetxzidane is too cute not to like). Twilight princess wasn't the best game in the Zelda series, but it was still an excellent one. Besides Phantom Hourglass more than makes up for that <3.

Also since I'm a sucker for love ZeldaxLink takes it all the way home for me. Link feels much more fleshed out than many of the FF charactes, even if he is a tabula rasa of sorts. You can still see his personality. Also the Zelda mangas are funny as hell. Still both series are excellent.

[Poofta!]

I think Aliens are the best, and here's why.

http://www.kropserkel.com/Images/alienren.jpg
- Exoskeletons. Their skeletons are on the outside of their bodies. Pretty rad.

http://www.horrorphile.net/images/alien-acid-for-blood.jpg
- Acid for blood.

http://www.rocksensations.co.uk/images/Dog-Alien.jpg
- Versatile biology. The Alien is imbued with unique characteristics of its host organism.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/ent_impact_home/2007/12/medium_alien.jpg
- Versatile on Stage & Screen. Have just one Alien and it's a horror movie. Throw in a bunch more and it's an action movie. Throw in Paul W.S. Anderson and it's a pro-wrestling movie (bodyslam!).

http://www.horrorphile.net/images/alien-acid-for-blood.jpg
- Did I mention the motherfucking acid?? They bleed it.

http://www.alicia-logic.com/capsimages/a_154WeaverAlienQueen.jpg
- Led by women. These are equal-opportunity xenomorphs we're talking about here.

http://www.horrorphile.net/images/alien-alien-head1.jpg
- They were rocking the metal grills before it was hot.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/natev/dourif.jpg
- Finally, they're not afraid to take one for the team. Like in Alien Resurrection when the two Aliens decide to kill the one, so that its acid blood (!!) would melt through their space-cage and open the way towards freedom and revenge against Brad Dourif.

So hopefully my point is proven and the matter is now settled. Alienz4evar.



i vote for this as well. vastly more entertaining and funny than both games/genres/this thread


score so far?

Zelda - 52 million
FF - 40 million
Berserker - 3

the real winners? us. thanks to berserker's thread-saving post.


ps: those numbers are worldwide selling figures for each series.

[TheDomesticInstitution]

I think Aliens are the best, and here's why.

I think you've pretty much settled the argument. Aliens are the clear winner here.


http://www.best-horror-movies.com/images/Aliens-half-synthetic.jpg


And to wander a little off-topic... I prefer game play to cut scenes- which is why I've never been a big fan of the FF series. And I 2nd (or 3rd) Pan's post.

[jb143]

And to wander a little off-topic... I prefer game play to cut scenes- which is why I've never been a big fan of the FF series. And I 2nd (or 3rd) Pan's post.

I even get ever so slightly annoyed by the "cut-scenes" in some of the Zelda Games. Well...not really annoyed, I just want to get back to playing the game and my guy won't respond to my button pushing. Like in Links Awakening. It's a great game but if that stupid owl won't shut up and get outa my way... I've got to save the day and your just slowing me down!!!

[Rob2600]

I picked Zelda because I prefer playing a game to watching hours of anime cut scenes.


Zelda because FF has turned into bad anime with moments of actual game play sprinkled throughout

We have Final Fantasy VII to thank for that...and all of the people who bought it, which encouraged Square to continue the trend.

[CosmicMonkey]

I think Aliens are the best, and here's why.

http://www.kropserkel.com/Images/alienren.jpg

I've been getting the Dark Horse Omnibus GNs of Aliens, Predator and AvP. Never had a chance to read them all fully first time round. Very good read.

On topic, I vote Zelda as they're the games I've played the most of.

[Nodtveidt]

I choose Final Fantasy. I'm an RPG gamer before anything else, and although I do enjoy some Zelda games, I can't stand the gimmicky new ones. Likewise, I also can't stand the paper-thin, RPG-machine new FF games either. So, I have to rely on the older games for my choice. That said, the Final Fantasy series has always had the advantage for me. Now I sit and wait for a proper remake of FF7, not all of these cheesy spinoffs using the same characters.

[Cinder6]

Though I'm a big RPG fan, I'm not a huge fan of Final Fantasy (only one I've beaten is VI, though, I'm near the last dungeon in XII, but unlikely to finish it; just started IV and VIII). That said, I'm even less of a fan of Zelda. In fact, I'm not a fan at all. In many ways, I detest the series, because it feels extremely stale to me (and yes, I own almost all of the games, save Wind Waker, a couple of the GBA games, and PH). There's almost no character development, and you can pretty much go into a dungeon and know right away what you're supposed to do.

I've only liked two Zelda games well enough to complete (which is admittedly more than FF, now that I think of it), and that's Link's Awakening and Twilight Princess. Ocarina of Time was fun until it was drawn out too long (actually, the Zelda games being too long is one of my biggest complaint). IMO, they're just extremely formulaic. And yet I keep buying them when I can find them used for cheap :)

Zelda is one of the most overrated series, IMO, but only slightly moreso than Final Fantasy.

So, after writing that, I've decided Aliens win.

[James8BitStar]

Oh bushwah.

We all know Predators could beat aliens, and Jedi could beat both.

Then Astro Boy could beat the Jedi, because Japanese things are always better.

In all seriousness, I really can't choose. My initial response was to choose FF over Zelda, but then I realized my reason for doing so didn't necessarily make sense. In real life, I have no problem popping in a pre-32bit game from either series and enjoying it (though the forced-to-watch cutscenes DO get annoying)

[Nero 99]

We have Final Fantasy VII to thank for that...and all of the people who bought it, which encouraged Square to continue the trend.

oh jeez they decided to add fmvs and suddenly its crap? there only about 15 to 20 fmvs( not counting the crappy half fmvs ) in the entire 40 hour plus game! why is it that people like a series alot then it goes 3d and they think it sucks? i love 2d games but that dont mean i gotta hate 3d ones. though i do agree that FF games are just starting to suck more and more. FFX-2 and up sucks horse cockles!!

[Juskin]

Legend of Zelda by far, I just think the masterfully crafted puzzles outweigh any battles or presentation FF has. Love both though.

We must keep in mind that they're two very different types of games. No matter what anyone tells yuh, LoZ is not an RPG.

[108Stars]

Stupid poll, comparing games of completely different genres.

[blissfulnoise]

I think Aliens are the best, and here's why.

http://www.horrorphile.net/images/alien-acid-for-blood.jpg
- Did I mention the motherfucking acid?? They bleed it.

So hopefully my point is proven and the matter is now settled. Alienz4evar.

This post is full of win and that shit above made me legit bust out laughing at work. Thank you.

[5thman]

Stupid poll, comparing games of completely different genres.

Not so much because they're different genres as his 12-year-old reasoning for why they should be in a poll. A good poll would ask if players prefer JRPG's to real-time adventure games, or vice-versa, and why. Not "which do u liek bettewr cuz they both make you do stuff and both got blondes in 'em sometimes".

Off-topic, if the xenomorphs are as much like ants as they appear to be, they're all female. So scratch "equal opportunity" off yer list.

[tom]

Pong.

[Jackattack]

apples and oranges (both fruit, but so vastly different)


/thread.

Are you saying that you couldn't tell me which fruit, apples or oranges, you prefer? Just because they are different doesn't mean you can't like one more. Everyone could rate everything in their life in order of importance if they had too. What would you give up before the rest? It doesn't mean you don't love any given thing, it just means you like somethings better than others.

[MeTmKnice]

In chosing anything, it comes down to personal preference. Just because one likes/dislikes something, does not make it good or bad. And that that goes for basically everything in the world, vehicles, movies, broads (haha), music, video games.. etc. Cut scenes have always bothered me, as it takes away from gameplay. I have always been a fan of LOZ. Not too thrilled with most of the newer ones except for TP and Minish cap. My favorite of the series is LOZ: Link to the Past.

[Nero 99]

:vamp:
Not so much because they're different genres as his 12-year-old reasoning for why they should be in a poll. A good poll would ask if players prefer JRPG's to real-time adventure games, or vice-versa, and why. Not "which do u liek bettewr cuz they both make you do stuff and both got blondes in 'em sometimes".

Off-topic, if the xenomorphs are as much like ants as they appear to be, they're all female. So scratch "equal opportunity" off yer list.

two things Ass wipe: one I'm not 12 I'm 18 and two , I made this this poll too prove to my freind that zelda is more popular(not better more popular)than Final fantasy. And if you dont like the topic of the thread then you shouldnt bother posting in it if your just gonna be a dick.

[Nero 99]

Are you saying that you couldn't tell me which fruit, apples or oranges, you prefer? Just because they are different doesn't mean you can't like one more. Everyone could rate everything in their life in order of importance if they had too. What would you give up before the rest? It doesn't mean you don't love any given thing, it just means you like somethings better than others.

thank you for being one of the few people who didnt get all pissy and say apples to oranges.sayin apples to oranges is just an excuse not to think.

[p_b]

:vamp:

two things Ass wipe: one I'm not 12 I'm 18 and two , I made this this poll too prove to my freind that zelda is more popular(not better more popular)than Final fantasy.

Here at DP, we can prove everything by means of a poll!

[Cinder6]

The point of the "apples and oranges" argument isn't that they aren't comparable, it's that such a comparison is meaningless. You can prefer one over the other, but that doesn't mean you can present worthwhile reasoning beyond personal preference.

I could list the reasons for why I prefer Lunar over Final Fantasy, and people would be able to judge whether they're reasonable points. On the other hand, I can't provide a meaningful set of reasons for liking shooters over beat-em-ups. I could list them, but the two genres are so different that it all comes down to opinion; no objectivity is involved.

Similarly, I can say that I enjoy the tanginess of oranges, and find amusement in the fact that they come self-segmented, but it still just boils down to objective opinions. Who am I to say that the more solid consistency of apples isn't the way to go?

Hence people complaining about this topic. Zelda is too far removed from Final Fantasy, and vice versa, for any quality discussion to emerge.

[Poofta!]

The point of the "apples and oranges" argument isn't that they aren't comparable, it's that such a comparison is meaningless. ..... Zelda is too far removed from Final Fantasy, and vice versa, for any quality discussion to emerge.

Thank you.



:vamp:

two things Ass wipe: one I'm not 12 I'm 18 and two , I made this this poll too prove to my freind that zelda is more popular(not better more popular)than Final fantasy. And if you dont like the topic of the thread then you shouldnt bother posting in it if your just gonna be a dick.

Are you sure you're not 12? You're spelling, grammar, and ability to conduct both, a coherent conversion AND poll point otherwise. I'm certain we all made similar threads (if the internet were to exist) and arguments when we were in middle school. Also, this is a relatively public forum... everyone can post and comment on everything, that is why its so much fun -- you get more than one side to every argument. You tell us to choose between apples and oranges, we say beefsteak.

but anyway, you already got your answer, and you didn't need to make this thread for it. a 2 minute google search yielded what you tried "too" prove to your friend:


**blah blah**

Zelda - 52 million
FF - 40 million


**blah blah**


ps: those numbers are worldwide selling figures for each series.

[calthaer]

Chalk me up in the apples & oranges category.

In before lock!

[PentiumMMX]

I like Zelda more. Link's Awakening rocks.

[Ruudos]

I think it's more like apples and pears.

[Nero 99]

Thank you.




Are you sure you're not 12? You're spelling, grammar, and ability to conduct both, a coherent conversion AND poll point otherwise. I'm certain we all made similar threads (if the internet were to exist) and arguments when we were in middle school. Also, this is a relatively public forum... everyone can post and comment on everything, that is why its so much fun -- you get more than one side to every argument. You tell us to choose between apples and oranges, we say beefsteak.

but anyway, you already got your answer, and you didn't need to make this thread for it. a 2 minute google search yielded what you tried "too" prove to your friend:

Oh excuse my bad grammar i mean if I suck at typing fast and cut some corners too type faster Then I must be 12, only 12 year olds suck at typing .your reasoning is so "good" you should be the president of the planet!!! ( I am being sarcastic in case your under developed brain didn't catch it ,)

[Cinder6]

Ah, ad hominem attacks. The mainstay of Internet debate.

[FantasiaWHT]

The point of the "apples and oranges" argument isn't that they aren't comparable, it's that such a comparison is meaningless. You can prefer one over the other, but that doesn't mean you can present worthwhile reasoning beyond personal preference.

I could list the reasons for why I prefer Lunar over Final Fantasy, and people would be able to judge whether they're reasonable points. On the other hand, I can't provide a meaningful set of reasons for liking shooters over beat-em-ups. I could list them, but the two genres are so different that it all comes down to opinion; no objectivity is involved.

Similarly, I can say that I enjoy the tanginess of oranges, and find amusement in the fact that they come self-segmented, but it still just boils down to objective opinions. Who am I to say that the more solid consistency of apples isn't the way to go?

Hence people complaining about this topic. Zelda is too far removed from Final Fantasy, and vice versa, for any quality discussion to emerge.

But why are you assuming that you can't have a valid discussion about people's SUBJECTIVE reasons for prefering one thing over another? I find that discussion interesting, so long as its not being populated by people being dicks just for the sake of being dicks to each other.

Frankly, I think people's subjective reasons for liking things are more interesting than their objective reasons. You're going to get a larger variety of reasons under the subjective idea.

[Rob2600]

The point of the "apples and oranges" argument isn't that they aren't comparable, it's that such a comparison is meaningless. You can prefer one over the other, but that doesn't mean you can present worthwhile reasoning beyond personal preference.

Let me get this straight:

According to you, I can't make a valid argument whether I like The Legend of Zelda more than Final Fantasy because it's based on personal preference. However, I can make a valid argument whether I like Lunar more than Final Fantasy. But wait, isn't that based on personal preference, too?

Both arguments, not just one, are based on personal preference. "Apples and oranges" is a cliche and a cop-out.

[Berserker]

Let me get this straight:

According to you, I can't make a valid argument whether I like The Legend of Zelda more than Final Fantasy because it's based on personal preference. However, I can make a valid argument whether I like Lunar more than Final Fantasy. But wait, isn't that based on personal preference, too?

Both arguments, not just one, are based on personal preference. "Apples and oranges" is a cliche and a cop-out.

You're putting the cart before the horse. Before personal preference comes into play, there must be some sort of shared commonality; a basis for comparison that allows us to prefer one over another.


Examples:

Final Fantasy and Lunar are both RPGs. Which RPG do you prefer?
Granny Smith and Golden Delicious are both apples. Which apple do you prefer?

Final Fantasy and Zelda are both video games. Which video game do you prefer?
Apples and Oranges are both fruit. Which fruit do you prefer?


So the argument isn't whether or not a comparison can be made, as clearly it easily can, but rather whether or not such a comparison is too base to be worthwhile.

[Poofta!]

i also have to remind, that this discussion isnt on which you prefer, its a completely retarded question of "which is better?" read the poll!

and i still prefer beefsteak.

[FrakAttack]

You know, most folks don't really see FF and Zelda as being totally different genres because most folks see a couple of games with heroic characters swinging swords and using magic to kill a thousand little monsters in order to reach bigger monsters and then kill them complete a mystical quest and think themselves, "I think I like that game better than the other."

Of course, most folks don't hang out in video game forums and nitpick each other to pieces over minutia.

[James8BitStar]

You're putting the cart before the horse. Before personal preference comes into play, there must be some sort of shared commonality; a basis for comparison that allows us to prefer one over another.

Such as, for example, that they're both video games.

[FantasiaWHT]

Such as, for example, that they're both video games.

And we have a winner! I'm surprised nobody has tried to say "You're comparing apples to video games!"

[p_b]

And we have a winner! I'm surprised nobody has tried to say "You're comparing apples to video games!"

That's simply because it wouldn't work. However, oranges and video games....

[Berserker]

Such as, for example, that they're both video games.

Wow man... *facepalms*

Read the whole post next time.