UPDATE: US SEGA GENESIS COLLECTION NOW CIB...Done!

[Ed Oscuro]

trying to find Alien Soldier. Never heard about it before and they say it is like Gunstar heroes! :)))
Emulation, try it out. I'm serious.

The game is expensive (I think even the UK version is starting to get spendy) and nothing like Gunstar Heroes. Sure, the mechanics will seem familiar but the game is quite difficult.

Actually, Alien Soldier is one game I haven't gotten yet (since I'd have to go for the expensive import version, bleh). I picked up Ex-Ranza recently though :D

[DreamTR]

Alien Soldier= Virtual Console

[Ed Oscuro]

Good call.

I'll either go with the MDj copy or go without, but that's just me...

[swlovinist]

I noticed you've got Zero Tolerance in the protos/pirates image - that the first release, or the unreleased sequel? Pretty tasty either way.

I just tested this one, and it is the first release. Some of the protos have minor differences than the actual release...this one looks to be identical. I would have loved to see the sequel. Zero Tolerance is such a great game.

[murdoc rose]

very impressive, looks like your doing ok on a complete boxed sega set, with the genesis down it may not be all that much harder.

[swlovinist]

Update: I have now found the final manuals I needed, got an Outback Joey cart with manual, and now have "called it done". Thanks to all who have helped me pursue this quest!

[chrisballer]

Congrats! Damn that has to feel good. Is there something next on your radar?

[Leo_A]

I don't see why the Outback Joey software should count towards a complete cartridge collection (Someone a few years ago in this thread argued for it counting). It doesn't even run on the console, just the special exercise equipment. Just because the machine was Sega Genesis based doesn't seem like it should make it count.

It wasn't intended to be run on someone's Sega Genesis and doesn't. So it doesn't make any sense to count it as a required part of a complete collection of software that runs on someone's Sega Genesis...


Update: I have now found the final manuals I needed, got an Outback Joey cart with manual, and now have "called it done". Thanks to all who have helped me pursue this quest!


Nice job :)

Do you have all the Majesco rereleases as cart variants? I'm sure you have Frogger in there somewhere since it was a Majesco original, but getting all of the rereleases (The Strike trilogy, Mario Andretti Racing, LHX Attack Chopper, F-22 Interceptor, and quite a few others that I can't recall at the moment) would be a cheap and easy way to expand your collection.

[swlovinist]

Congrats! Damn that has to feel good. Is there something next on your radar?

Next on radar, rest :)

Honestly I plan on finishing my Dreamcast set(one game away Tech Romancer), getting the final two manuals for the N64 CIB US. After that all I need for the Vectrex is a boxed light pen and I have a full retail CIB set.

As for Sega variants, I have several, but dont actively collect them. Because I collect so many different systems and sets, the obsession has to end somewhere :)

If I dont have it and find it in person, I will add it to the collection :)

[Singletriad]

Next on radar, rest :)

Honestly I plan on finishing my Dreamcast set(one game away Tech Romancer), getting the final two manuals for the N64 CIB US. After that all I need for the Vectrex is a boxed light pen and I have a full retail CIB set.

As for Sega variants, I have several, but dont actively collect them. Because I collect so many different systems and sets, the obsession has to end somewhere :)

If I dont have it and find it in person, I will add it to the collection :)Great collection! I only hope mine will be half as good someday.

I actually just found a CIB Vectrex lightpen with art master.

[Gameguy]

It doesn't even run on the console, just the special exercise equipment. Just because the machine was Sega Genesis based doesn't seem like it should make it count.

It wasn't intended to be run on someone's Sega Genesis and doesn't. So it doesn't make any sense to count it as a required part of a complete collection of software that runs on someone's Sega Genesis...
It runs on standard Genesis systems just fine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXF5uNMY5A4

[mrmark0673]

It runs on standard Genesis systems just fine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXF5uNMY5A4

Now THAT man has some sexy hands :)

Yeah, I put that weak argument to rest quite some time ago, but people continue to change why it isn't required for a complete set because of the cost. Buyatari probably made the best point for it counting as he likened it to some Atari games:



What about the Sears branded Atari & Intellivision systems and games. Not the same thing? Licensed to Sears and sold with the Sears name. Everyone counts these systems and cartridges. They aren't considered seperate systems with a seperate library. Most games are label variations but some games are exclusive to Sears and they count.

So, to break it down:

- It runs on a regular genesis
- It needs a few accessories to work properly, but that's like not counting a game that uses the justifier or a game on the NES that uses the power pad.
- It is officially licensed by Sega
- It was sold at retailers (making it a retail game)

Why is it that it shouldn't count again?

Amazing job John, an absolutely fantastic accomplishment.

[stargate]

Very cool. Good job, congrats on completing your quest !

[Leo_A]

It runs on standard Genesis systems just fine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXF5uNMY5A4

That's not how it sounded when I read through this thread last night and looked up some information about it when I got curious.

Thanks for providing clarification if what I said wasn't correct.

[DreamTR]

Outback Joey is an officially licensed product, stuff is all over the box too.....it really is an issue of people just not able to get it for their set that has people talking madness about it. It's like saying the ISS Soccer games don't belong for a complete set for SNES when they have boxes and manuals and everything is in English and Nintendo only released games in North American standard....

The only I think that does not need to be required are contest carts and this is coming from someone who collects contest carts....

[Gameguy]

Whether or not the game counts for a complete collection doesn't really matter to me, I just wanted to clarify about it's compatibility. I know it came up in another thread previously as I remember posting the same video there too.

Credit to mrmark0673 for posting the video on youtube. :)

And congrats to swlovinist for completing his Genesis collection, it's quite an accomplishment.

[MarioMania]

swlovinist - You got all the EA NFL games also??

[Leo_A]

Outback Joey is an officially licensed product, stuff is all over the box too.....it really is an issue of people just not able to get it for their set that has people talking madness about it.

I could care less about this cartridge and its rarity or which collectors own a copy (That's why I was unaware of it until the past 24 hours). I was merely repeating information that I found when my curiosity was piqued last night as I read this thread and did a search on the game when I saw some debate about its status.

If it indeed didn't play on any Sega Genesis, it didn't belong on the list (I was picturing, after my search, some proprietary exercise hardware that just happened to utilize Genesis components and such with the Sega name plastered across it, not something that runs on an actual Genesis). Sort of like that coinop kiddie ride that had Jaguar guts inside of it with some software created for it.

It was as simple as that. But thanks to Gameguy's explanation, I understand the situation a bit better.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Good job man! Take that rest and play some Genny to celebrate. :)

And now...

I find the controversy over a single title's inclusion hilarious when I can write-off large chunks of a platforms library from my acquisition goals. I don't imagine a final state for a collection, it's not even set then, it's a constant flux. Some have a hard time ordering their own desires or dealing with dynamic systems or limitations of reality, so I don't hold the Pokemon psychology against anyone. I'd rather just giggle about it. It's super-effective.

[Shinobi]

May I ask, which of the collection was hardest to find ?
Or most expensive ?

im experiencing myself its hard sometimes to find complete or good conditioned Genesis games, US gamers seem by far more careless then Japan an Euro gamers if it comes to manuals, boxes missing etc.

[nebrazca78]

So, to break it down:

- It runs on a regular genesis
- It needs a few accessories to work properly, but that's like not counting a game that uses the justifier or a game on the NES that uses the power pad.
- It is officially licensed by Sega
- It was sold at retailers (making it a retail game)

Why is it that it shouldn't count again?


- It runs on a regular Genesis ~some systems can run other systems' games~
- It needs a few accessories to work properly ~it's not the need for accessories that keep it from being a Genesis game~
- It is officially licensed by Sega ~being officially licensed by Sega does not make it a Genesis game~
- It was sold at retailers (making it a retail game) ~agreed~

Still no one has ever been able to explain why, if it is a Genesis game, that it does not say Genesis on it. The reason is because Outback Joey is a game for the Heartbeat Personal Trainer which is a licensed system sold by Heartbeat Corporation. And do you know what it says in small lettering on the cartridge? "LICENSED BY SEGA FOR PLAY ON THE HEARTBEAT SYSTEM" Anyone who says this is a Genesis game is flat out wrong. Sorry.

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[TonyTheTiger]

Whenever anybody brings up the assertion that the only reason why people won't count Outback Joey as a Genesis game is because it's expensive, I like to use the Burger King Xbox games.

Those games are cheap as hell but there are at least as many reasons to question whether or not they "count" as Xbox 1 games. So discussions like this are really not about money at all.

I think arguing that people dismiss Outback Joey only because it's expensive is needlessly dismissing all the valid arguments otherwise. There are a number of very expensive items people willingly accept so why would Outback Joey be the exception unless there were valid reasons to question its status?

Outback Joey is just especially strange. I think we all understand that just because something functions on a system doesn't necessarily integrate it into that system's library. You wouldn't tell somebody going for a complete LaserActive collection that they can't consider it complete until they get all Genesis and TG-16 titles, right? Even add-ons exist as separate entities. A complete Genesis collection is usually independent from a complete 32X collection even though, technically speaking, 32X games "play" on a Genesis with the help of what's essentially an accessory.

If the Heartbeat Personal Trainer is a separate machine, designed to be used with Outback Joey, and, due to the borrowed tech, just happens to be internally similar enough to a Genesis allowing cross-compatibility, then that sounds more like a side effect of similar architecture rather than something actually by design.

We generally consider AES and MVS games separate even though it's easy enough to play MVS carts on the home system, right?

[Singletriad]

Whenever anybody brings up the assertion that the only reason why people won't count Outback Joey as a Genesis game is because it's expensive, I like to use the Burger King Xbox games.

Those games are cheap as hell but there are at least as many reasons to question whether or not they "count" as Xbox 1 games. So discussions like this are really not about money at all.

I think arguing that people dismiss Outback Joey only because it's expensive is needlessly dismissing all the valid arguments otherwise. There are a number of very expensive items people willingly accept so why would Outback Joey be the exception unless there were valid reasons to question its status?

Outback Joey is just especially strange. I think we all understand that just because something functions on a system doesn't necessarily integrate it into that system's library. You wouldn't tell somebody going for a complete LaserActive collection that they can't consider it complete until they get all Genesis and TG-16 titles, right? Even add-ons exist as separate entities. A complete Genesis collection is usually independent from a complete 32X collection even though, technically speaking, 32X games "play" on a Genesis with the help of what's essentially an accessory.

If the Heartbeat Personal Trainer is a separate machine, designed to be used with Outback Joey, and, due to the borrowed tech, just happens to be internally similar enough to a Genesis allowing cross-compatibility, then that sounds more like a side effect of similar architecture rather than something actually by design.

We generally consider AES and MVS games separate even though it's easy enough to play MVS carts on the home system, right?

Everyone here knows that if Burger King gave out NES games at one point, those would DEFINITELY count as actual NES games.

[TonyTheTiger]

Everyone here knows that if Burger King gave out NES games at one point, those would DEFINITELY count as actual NES games.

That's not what I was saying. The Burger King Xbox games were marketed as 360 games, have a box design like 360 games, but don't actually say "360" on them. They also are not exactly Xbox 1 games that just happen to be compatible with the 360. There is an Xbox 1 version of the game on the disc but while when played on a 360 specific 360 features like achievements are available, which does not happen with backwards compatible Xbox games.

In other words, they may be Xbox 360 games or they may be Xbox 1 games, they may be both. But the answer isn't exactly obvious and people could easily argue it one way or the other.

[swlovinist]

May I ask, which of the collection was hardest to find ?
Or most expensive ?

im experiencing myself its hard sometimes to find complete or good conditioned Genesis games, US gamers seem by far more careless then Japan an Euro gamers if it comes to manuals, boxes missing etc.

Good Conditioned games have been hard to find for awhile, unless you piece together games such as what I did. Hardest to find? It all depends, but a Sega Genesis Miracle Piano Boxed is pretty tough, and I got mine years ago.

[digitalpress]

If I haven't said it already, "congrats"! I love to see collectors polishing off their favorite systems, it's such a sense of accomplishment. It's why a lot of us are even hanging around here.

[xelement5x]

Here's another congratulations on your accomplishment. It looks pretty awesome to see all that stuff in one place, it looks like it's your garage that everything is in? I'm working on my own Sega collection and have a near complete SegaCD set (missing one game!), and pretty robust Master System and Genesis group with Saturn and Dreamcast after that. The Game Gear is the reject of my collections, pretty small compared to everything else. :(

13 years is a long time and must have been an amazing journey, if you're like me I bet you still remember the story behind where you got some of the more memorable items too.

[swlovinist]

Funny true story: I went into a video store that did nothing but resell closed out video rental store surplus. The store had hundreds of videogames.....nearly all were sports titles. I worked an incredible deal out with the place and thought that I did pretty good getting nearly 100 sports titles of various systems complete in box for about $1 ea. My buddy went back for me and asked the guy if they had any extra manuals, spine artwork from leftover games. My friend got for me and gave me a good sized box with over 400 manuals and case artwork for genesis games. HE GOT THESE FOR FREE FROM THE PLACE.
I then took my time and got loose games over the years for several, piecing together games that would have cost me triple the price complete.

[raptor94k]

Whenever anybody brings up the assertion that the only reason why people won't count Outback Joey as a Genesis game is because it's expensive, I like to use the Burger King Xbox games.

Those games are cheap as hell but there are at least as many reasons to question whether or not they "count" as Xbox 1 games. So discussions like this are really not about money at all.

I think arguing that people dismiss Outback Joey only because it's expensive is needlessly dismissing all the valid arguments otherwise. There are a number of very expensive items people willingly accept so why would Outback Joey be the exception unless there were valid reasons to question its status?

Outback Joey is just especially strange. I think we all understand that just because something functions on a system doesn't necessarily integrate it into that system's library. You wouldn't tell somebody going for a complete LaserActive collection that they can't consider it complete until they get all Genesis and TG-16 titles, right? Even add-ons exist as separate entities. A complete Genesis collection is usually independent from a complete 32X collection even though, technically speaking, 32X games "play" on a Genesis with the help of what's essentially an accessory.

If the Heartbeat Personal Trainer is a separate machine, designed to be used with Outback Joey, and, due to the borrowed tech, just happens to be internally similar enough to a Genesis allowing cross-compatibility, then that sounds more like a side effect of similar architecture rather than something actually by design.

We generally consider AES and MVS games separate even though it's easy enough to play MVS carts on the home system, right?

I didn't know what Outback Joey was until maybe 3 months ago when this same argument popped up in a different thread. Since then I've read it in this thread and maybe another one or two, and this is exactly what I have been thinking the entire time.

Stadium Events is ridiculously expensive and everyone counts it in a complete NES collection. So it can't be the price that makes people think Outback Joey doesn't count. After all, why would there even be discussion about it if something wasn't a little different about the existence of the game and its hardware.

[Leo_A]

After all, why would there even be discussion about it if something wasn't a little different about the existence of the game and its hardware.

We have a forum member that thinks it's just jealousy that he owns something that most Genesis collectors don't (Not the thread creator that acquired this to add to his collection).

So there's a different theory about why the classification for this is debated, although I don't think anyone else goes along with it.

[johno590]

Just looked through your updated pictures, truly an awesome accomplishment; What most collectors strive for. So congrats to you.

[DreamTR]

- It runs on a regular Genesis ~some systems can run other systems' games~
- It needs a few accessories to work properly ~it's not the need for accessories that keep it from being a Genesis game~
- It is officially licensed by Sega ~being officially licensed by Sega does not make it a Genesis game~
- It was sold at retailers (making it a retail game) ~agreed~

Still no one has ever been able to explain why, if it is a Genesis game, that it does not say Genesis on it. The reason is because Outback Joey is a game for the Heartbeat Personal Trainer which is a licensed system sold by Heartbeat Corporation. And do you know what it says in small lettering on the cartridge? "LICENSED BY SEGA FOR PLAY ON THE HEARTBEAT SYSTEM" Anyone who says this is a Genesis game is flat out wrong. Sorry.

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No, it's been explained before. The box of the Heartbeat Personal Trainers states if you add a Sega Genesis Control Pad your HEartbeat Personal Trainer turns into a Genesis system, this of course couples with Genesis legal and Genesis info all over the back of theoriginal box, so there really isn't anything to explain. The HEartbeart PErsonal Trainer IS a Genesis. It's like saying the Sharp NES TV isn't an NES...and the legal info just proves it even more.

I guess if you are a Genesis collector and the hardware plays Genesis games, you need the whole system as well, lol...but the HEartbeat System IS A GENESIS. Get the original box. You'll see what I am talking about. Heck I have Outworld also, Genesis is on that one too, and that's a proto.

[nouserever]

JEEZUS THATS ALOT OF GAMES
In Boxes...MEH HEDS GONNA IMPLODE
YOU DUN A GOOD JAWB

[BeaglePuss]

We have a forum member that thinks it's just jealousy that he owns something that most Genesis collectors don't (Not the thread creator that acquired this to add to his collection).

We also have forum members that repost previous misinformation because they have no idea what they're talking about (Not the thread creator that acquired this to add to his collection).

I've read that the game can't play on a standard Genesis and that it wasn't available at retail stores. That's been proven to be incorrect. I've read that the Heartbeat Personal Trainer is Genesis-based hardware that would not run Genesis titles. Not only is this wrong, the only thing different from the HBPT and a standard Genesis is the top shell. The hardware is identical inside.

[Trebuken]

We also have forum members that repost previous misinformation because they have no idea what they're talking about (Not the thread creator that acquired this to add to his collection).

I've read that the game can't play on a standard Genesis and that it wasn't available at retail stores. That's been proven to be incorrect. I've read that the Heartbeat Personal Trainer is Genesis-based hardware that would not run Genesis titles. Not only is this wrong, the only thing different from the HBPT and a standard Genesis is the top shell. The hardware is identical inside.

There is a youtube video that shows Outback Joey loading to the title screen in a Model 1 and 3 Genesis. It does not show gameplay, and the demonstrator is using a control that I assume came with the HBPT. Does Outback Joey have any functionality with a standard controller?

The HBPT is essentially an accessory/controller that conveniently includes the console; at least in my impression.

[Gamingking]

Very nice!

[BeaglePuss]

There is a youtube video that shows Outback Joey loading to the title screen in a Model 1 and 3 Genesis. It does not show gameplay, and the demonstrator is using a control that I assume came with the HBPT. Does Outback Joey have any functionality with a standard controller?

The HBPT is essentially an accessory/controller that conveniently includes the console; at least in my impression.

This is really beating a dead horse at this point, but the same rule applies to zapper/game-gun titles. It needs a peripheral, yes. That doesn't change anything.

[tom]

So any game which was difficult to find in its box?
Besides this Outback game.....

Do the Carousel Entertainment games count as Jaguar games or not?
Some people don't count Gorf as a regular Jaguar title either. I do.
I'd consider the Burgerking Xbox games as XBox titles for completion.

[kupomogli]

I also own a US Sega Genesis Collection CIB.... for the PS2. Not as good as yours obviously. Congrats for getting a complete Genesis set.

[DreamTR]

So any game which was difficult to find in its box?
Besides this Outback game.....

Do the Carousel Entertainment games count as Jaguar games or not?
Some people don't count Gorf as a regular Jaguar title either. I do.
I'd consider the Burgerking Xbox games as XBox titles for completion.

So If I decided to release a copy of a licensed game for a dead system it counts towards that overall system's library from a collecting standpoint?

I need to just release one-offs of a ton of those then. I have Gorf for Jaguar CD but it's pretty laughable to think a CD-R title that someone made is part of the collection overall.

[tom]

I once asked Steven Scavone if his game is a homebrew, as stated in DP Guide, or is it an official release.
He insists it is an official Jaguar CD release.
Works for me.

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[DreamTR]

I once asked Steven Scavone if his game is a homebrew, as stated in DP Guide, or is it an official release.
He insists it is an official Jaguar CD release.
Works for me.

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Uh...it came out on a CDR Homebrew in 2006.

"Official" release would be something that Atari produced during the lifecycle. The best you can say is "post" release but there's no way Atari (Infogrames, wtf owns the rights) decided to release a super limited game on CDR for Jaguar CD in 2006.

[Leo_A]

Gorf (I assume that's who Steven Scavone is, although I never knew his real name) loved to consider his release an official game despite Atari not licensing the game and despite him lacking the necessary licenses from Midway and Namco (And maybe even Taito, since there is a level heavily inspired by Space Invaders). I tried to tell him he'd need Midway and Namco's permission to be official before he released it when he started to act heavy handed that people dared to play it on MAME (He thought all he had to do was talk with the original programmer to secure the rights), and he went berzerk (But was finally convinced after the fact and pulled it from sale).

Nothing official about it, even though he basically considered himself a commercial development house despite programming for a long dead console, porting a project illegally, and having his customers measured in the dozens.

It's a great effort, though, and a deserving part of a Jaguar CD collection no matter what its commercial status is. Too bad Warner or whoever it is that owns the Gorf IP these days wouldn't consider resurrecting it as a $10 download on XBLA/PSN. It's ashame that beyond this limited edition Jaguar release that there isn't a way to play a faithful version of Gorf at home other than with a program like MAME.

[DreamTR]

Gorf (I assume that's who Steven Scavone is, although I never knew his real name) loved to consider his release an official game despite Atari not licensing the game and despite him lacking the necessary licenses from Midway and Namco (And maybe even Taito, since there is a level heavily inspired by Space Invaders). I tried to tell him he'd need Midway and Namco's permission to be official before he released it when he started to act heavy handed that people dared to play it on MAME (He thought all he had to do was talk with the original programmer to secure the rights), and he went berzerk (But was finally convinced after the fact and pulled it from sale).

Nothing official about it, even though he basically considered himself a commercial development house despite programming for a long dead console, porting a project illegally, and having his customers measured in the dozens.

It's a great effort, though, and a deserving part of a Jaguar CD collection no matter what its commercial status is. Too bad Warner or whoever it is that owns the Gorf IP these days wouldn't consider resurrecting it as a $10 download on XBLA/PSN. It's ashame that beyond this limited edition Jaguar release that there isn't a way to play a faithful version of Gorf at home other than with a program like MAME.

There's a homebrew Game Boy Advance one out there as well (I thought that one was good as well) from the last CGE...

[tom]

Jaguar Gorf was 2005 (I own the blue edition) and I also include Starcat and Songbird released games part of the collection. And BattleSphere (2000).

But would Majesco games be part of a Genesis collection, if you own the originals?
Way back Atari re-released QBert, Donkey Kong, Venture and other games as part of their VCS library (with Atari numbering), even though they already had been released by Coleco, Parker etc years earlier.

[DreamTR]

Jaguar Gorf was 2005 (I own the blue edition) and I also include Starcat and Songbird released games part of the collection. And BattleSphere (2000).

But would Majesco games be part of a Genesis collection, if you own the originals?
Way back Atari re-released QBert, Donkey Kong, Venture and other games as part of their VCS library (with Atari numbering), even though they already had been released by Coleco, Parker etc years earlier.

You're talking licensed variants vs a homebrew.

Like I said before, If I make production copies of a new game (a homebrew) and keep only 1 of each, does that mean they count towards an official collection? Of course not. Gorf is post-release and part of the homebrews. Nothing is going to change that. If it came out during the lifecycle of the system, it would be a different story.

[Gamevet]

That's not what I was saying. The Burger King Xbox games were marketed as 360 games, have a box design like 360 games, but don't actually say "360" on them. They also are not exactly Xbox 1 games that just happen to be compatible with the 360. There is an Xbox 1 version of the game on the disc but while when played on a 360 specific 360 features like achievements are available, which does not happen with backwards compatible Xbox games.

In other words, they may be Xbox 360 games or they may be Xbox 1 games, they may be both. But the answer isn't exactly obvious and people could easily argue it one way or the other.

The game does support Achievements, so it's pretty much an official 360 title. ;)

[ugly_monster]

So now that you have all of these what do you do with them? That's gotta take up a bunch of space. Do you build custom shelving?

Wanna come over and play some Gunstar Heroes?

[SpaceFlea]

A castle should certainly be built with them; defended with Justifiers and Menacers. The draw bridge could be raised and lowered by the bike used with Outback Joey. And the fate of the structure would rest in the hands of its king and a game of Rampart.

[brett43]

Sorry if this is a noob question, but is art alive a rare game? I noticed it was a single photo in your collection. I recently sold art alive for $2 (I purchased it for $1) I will be kicking myself if it is a rare game! Great forum by the way, I just registered.