Fees on eBay set to skyrocket for BIN for everything in the video game category

[JohnnyA]

As of 9/16, FVF for BIN for Books, Music, DVDs & Movies and Video Games will follow the following sceme:
$1.00-$50.00: 15.00% (was 8.75%).
$50.01 - $1000.00: 15.00% of the first $50, 5% for the rest (was 8.75%, 3.5%).
Over $1000.01: 15.00% for the first $50, 5% for 50-1000, and 2% for everything above that (was 8.75%, 3.5%, 1.5%).

They are lowering the insertion fee though to a flat $0.15...
Books, Music, DVDs & Movies and Video Games
$1.00 - $9.99 was $0.25
$10.00 - $24.99 was $0.35
$25.00 - $49.99 was $1.00
$50.00 - $199.99 was $2.00
$200.00 - $499.99 was $3.00
$500.00 or more was $4.00

Plus, they are instituting a maximum shipping charge. You MUST offer one shipping option that is less than the following:
Accessories Accessories $6.00
Games Games $4.00
Internet Games Games > Guild Wars $6.00
Games > World of Warcraft $3.00
Software & PC Versions $6.00
Other Other $4.00
Systems Systems $15.00
Vintage Games Vintage Games $6.00
Wholesale Lots Accessories $10.00
Console Systems $50.00
Games $9.00
Other $9.00

But wait, there's more:
"...checks and money orders will no longer be accepted on eBay..."
"So starting in late October, 2008, we are moving to 100% electronic payments - credit cards, ProPay, or PayPal."

So, selling a $50 game on eBay used to cost $6.375. Now it will cost $7.65. Don't forget, you have to accept PayPal, so you have to add on an additional fee of $1.75, bringing the new total to $9.40. Say goodbye to 18.8% of your money...

DISCUSS...

[megasdkirby]

As of 9/16, FVF for BIN for Books, Music, DVDs & Movies and Video Games will follow the following sceme:
$1.00-$50.00: 15.00% (was 8.75%).
$50.01 - $1000.00: 15.00% of the first $50, 5% for the rest (was 8.75%, 3.5%).
Over $1000.01: 15.00% for the first $50, 5% for 50-1000, and 2% for everything above that (was 8.75%, 3.5%, 1.5%).

Oh my goodness...this is rape! DOUBLE the amount! Does ebay want to kill themselves?


They are lowering the insertion fee though to a flat $0.15...
Books, Music, DVDs & Movies and Video Games
$1.00 - $9.99 was $0.25
$10.00 - $24.99 was $0.35
$25.00 - $49.99 was $1.00
$50.00 - $199.99 was $2.00
$200.00 - $499.99 was $3.00
$500.00 or more was $4.00

At least they did something right...


Plus, they are instituting a maximum shipping charge. You MUST offer one shipping option that is less than the following:
Accessories Accessories $6.00
Games Games $4.00
Internet Games Games > Guild Wars $6.00
Games > World of Warcraft $3.00
Software & PC Versions $6.00
Other Other $4.00
Systems Systems $15.00
Vintage Games Vintage Games $6.00
Wholesale Lots Accessories $10.00
Console Systems $50.00
Games $9.00
Other $9.00

RAPE!

-A system S&H to be $50 MINIMUM!? WHAT THE HELL!?
-Accesories $6? What if it's something that costs no more than $0.50 to send? ROBERY!

This is going to cause people to flee Ebay more than ever. This can potentially KILL Ebay!


But wait, there's more:
"...checks and money orders will no longer be accepted on eBay..."
"So starting in late October, 2008, we are moving to 100% electronic payments - credit cards, ProPay, or PayPal."

Shoving Paypal up where the light does not reach, eh Ebay? This is their way to make more money! DAMN FUCKING BASTARDS! (sorry for the vulgarity) And what the hell is "ProPay"?


So, selling a $50 game on eBay used to cost $6.375. Now it will cost $7.65. Don't forget, you have to accept PayPal, so you have to add on an additional fee of $1.75, bringing the new total to $9.40. Say goodbye to 18.8% of your money...

DISCUSS...

The only thing I can say is this...Ebay will sure use BUY to pad more of their listings...MORE THAN EVER!

This is just horrible, HORRIBLE news!

[eugenek]

-A system S&H to be $50 MINIMUM!? WHAT THE HELL!?


MAXIMUM shipping charge. Reading is fundamental.

Still bullshit though...who can ship Steel Battalion for 4 bucks? Give me a fucking break, eBay.

[gepeto]

I rarely sell things I am just curious if one sold something for 6,000 how much would one owe Ebay? TIA

[megasdkirby]

MAXIMUM shipping charge. Reading is fundamental.

Still bullshit though...who can ship Steel Battalion for 4 bucks? Give me a fucking break, eBay.

Ah ok, my bad. But still...it will give sellers an excuse to charge $50 shipping as a max and $49 as the minimum!

[DreamTR]

What if I am selling stuff for running auctions, and not BUY IT NOW prices? Does the 15% apply to that as well?

[jb143]

I caught on the news this morning that Ebay sellers were up in arms but didn't hear why. I just figured it was the same old same old. I guess this is why. I rarely use BIN though. Is everything else staying the same? Do you have an Ebay website with this information? I didn't find it.

It'll never happen but if they're going to force electronic payments then they need to refund the fees involved. Also, how can they keep people from paying by check or money order? Does that mean if I buy a local pick up item that I still have to pay with paypal?

[otoko]

God.. *cancels sellers account* ridiculous.

[Kevin H]

Hey looks like the new game auction sites will be getting more business.

[SpyHunter]

They are getting way too big for their britches. I hope this kills them.

I don't have PayPal so I guess I am done with them, even buying.

[megasdkirby]

Come back, Yahoo! Auctions!

Rise from your Grave!

[ryborg]

I didn't see a link posted yet, so here's one: http://pages.ebay.com/sell/August2008Update/Overview/

These changes SUCK. Time to unload whatever leftover systems I have left ASAP.


Ah ok, my bad. But still...it will give sellers an excuse to charge $50 shipping as a max and $49 as the minimum!

What?


What if I am selling stuff for running auctions, and not BUY IT NOW prices? Does the 15% apply to that as well?

No, only BIN.



"...checks and money orders will no longer be accepted on eBay..."
"So starting in late October, 2008, we are moving to 100% electronic payments - credit cards, ProPay, or PayPal."

Unfortunately, I've been seeing this day coming for a long time now, since ebay bought Paypal. I still get about 2-5% of buyers who pay with checks/MOs. The transactions always turn out good on both ends. The buyer doesn't have to deal with Paypal's BS, and the seller doesn't have to pay the high fees.

Don't forget about this gem:

What about Google Checkout, Checkout by Amazon or Amazon Flexible Payment Services? Will these payment methods be offered?

No. The electronic payment methods available on eBay already provide security and protections and are already used by the vast majority of our buyers and sellers. eBay will offer several other electronic payment options in addition to PayPal, namely ProPay to start, with more electronic payment providers to be added in coming months. Google's and Amazon's products and services compete with eBay on a number of levels, so we are not going to allow them on eBay.

At least now they're saying they won't allow GCO because they are a competitor, not because it's unsafe, which was the party line for years.

[ryborg]

What should I do if a buyer demands to pay with checks or money orders?
We know that some buyers will still want to pay with checks and money orders, even after this policy change goes into effect. When this happens, explain to your buyers the benefits that come with electronic payments:
More secure payments
Faster delivery of their purchases
More protection in case anything goes wrong.

Yeah, this'll work. Allow me to become an unpaid Paypal advertising rep, please. Why doesn't ebay realize that a large portion of buyers HATE Paypal and will never use it? Sellers always had to put up with Paypal because they had to; buyers always had a choice. Not so much anymore.

Ebay is so arrogant it makes me sick.

[megasdkirby]

Well, if the max was $50 and they MUST offer a lesser one, then a seller can only give two options: $49 and $50.

[ryborg]

Well, if the max was $50 and they MUST offer a lesser one, then a seller can only give two options: $49 and $50.

I think you're reading something (everything) wrong. I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Nitrosport]

No company in its right mind would do what e-bay has been doing. It looks like e-bay is going down soon.

[megasdkirby]

I think you're reading something (everything) wrong. I have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm pretty sure I am.

I keep seeing different prices for the same things.

I think I'm toasted today...

[ryborg]

I'm pretty sure I am.

I keep seeing different prices for the same things.

I think I'm toasted today...

Just read the ebay links I posted above. Everything is there. Here's the max shipping page that seems to be confusing you: http://pages.ebay.com/sell/August2008Update/MaxShipping/

[Nitrosport]

I'm pretty sure I am.

I keep seeing different prices for the same things.

I think I'm toasted today...


What he's saying is that e-bay will not allow sellers to charge over a certain amount for the shipment of items depending on there approximate weight. This can be a good thing and a bad thing. On one side, sellers can't charge outragous amounts but on the other side, some sellers might be forced to pay out of pocket on items that cost more to ship than e-bay thinks.

[megasdkirby]

Just read the ebay links I posted above. Everything is there. Here's the max shipping page that seems to be confusing you: http://pages.ebay.com/sell/August2008Update/MaxShipping/

Thansk Ryborg and Nitrosport.

I know realize that it's no more than $15 for the consoles.

But then I just realized something...they don't specify a shipping method. Does that mean that it can be, say $10 for Parcel Post as it can also mean $10 for Priority Mail?

I would now suspect sellers would choose the cheapest method so they can have funds left over for fees and such. But then again, this will kill their DSR's.

Ugh, this is going to bring chaos.

[ryborg]

I know realize that it's no more than $15 for the consoles.

Yep, so you can say goodbye to auctions featuring systems with 40 games included. Even if you get a slightly better bid price because of it, you're still losing out because of fees on that money. That's the *real* reason ebay is doing this, to collect more fees. No one's buying that BS that ebay cares about the buyer.

[Nitrosport]

That's why I havn't sold a thing on e-bay for ages. It's a big scam. Everything they do to "protect the buyer" is really a front to take more money out of the sellers pockets. A friend of mine sold a car for parts on e-bay for $500 and ended up paying $100 in fees. They used the $.99 cent listing scam on him and raped him with the final value fee. He didn't know that there is a minimum final value fee for cars and they didn't disclose it in the "special".

[megasdkirby]

I also realized that now, most sellers will not combine shipping. And unfortunately, I don't blame them.

Ebay is going down.

[Tupin]

This screws over both buyers AND sellers.

eBay will not be around for much longer.

Meh, I prefer smaller gaming specialty sites anyway.

[DreamTR]

I love how eBay kept trying to push BIN auctions months ago through Channel Advisor to make it more like Amazon, and people kept falling for it, changing everything they did to that format and look where it leads? Honestly, how can anyone EVER defend this company? It's a bunch of schoolchildren trying to run a business.

Also:

New seller standards: Minimum 4.3 on all DSRs: The vast majority of eBay sellers—some 96%—are well above this threshold. To protect the interests of all these sellers, starting November 1 we'll no longer allow the few who don't deliver on basic standards of customer satisfaction to sell on eBay. Sellers will be evaluated on the past 30 days of DSRs. Sellers who've received less than ten DSRs in the past 30 days will be evaluated on their DSRs over the last 12 months. Sellers with no DSRs will still be allowed to list. See the FAQs for more details.


LOLOLOL. Sellers are REALLY at the mercy of the buyers now.

[Fuyukaze]

The changes suck but this isnt the end of ebay, just the end for many who use it only for video games. Just one part of ebay will suffer, not the whole. Also, the new gaming auction sites still could use more time to be established. As is, the prices are too high and there's very little incentive for people to list anything great at .99 cents to see if it'll fetch anything decent as the user base is still very small currently.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Well, I guess it's time for me to close up shop on eBay.

Time to promote ChaseTheChuckwagon and GameGavel EVERYWHERE, folks!

Edit:
Do you think they'll cancel my listings if I post bigassed anti-rate hike messages in my future auctions? Because that's what I'm planning to do soon.

[otoko]

Do you think they'll cancel my listings if I post bigassed anti-rate hike messages in my future auctions? Because that's what I'm planning to do soon.

They're assholes, so I'd figure so. If they will cancel my auctions with documentation that I am able to sell a product without prior notification.. I'm sure they're pull yours for that.

Either way. I'm going to stop with Ebay all together after the last item I want to get. I'm sure you all know what that is.. Hmm Craigslist...

[scooterb23]

I surely hope this means that I might be able to start finding games at garage sales, flea markets, and thrift stores again.

[Kaboomer]

Well, I guess it's time for me to close up shop on eBay.

Time to promote ChaseTheChuckwagon and GameGavel EVERYWHERE, folks!

Edit:
Do you think they'll cancel my listings if I post bigassed anti-rate hike messages in my future auctions? Because that's what I'm planning to do soon.

Jasen and I started our sites at the right time it appears :)

Here is link to the Chuckwagons very straight forward fees: http://www.chasethechuckwagon.com/html/sellers_guide.htm

Now is a great time to visit the Chuckwagon as we have well over 1,000 auctions running and lots of great deals on lots of items. Let's see some new faces step aboard the Chuckwagon. Since launching we have listed over 7,000 items and sold over $22,000 in merchandise. We have a thriving auction community waiting for you all.

Also visit our member forums which are going a long way to instill a community feeling around the Chuckwagon: http://www.chasingthechuckwagon.com/upload/index.php

[Kitsune Sniper]

How many of those 7000 items have actually sold, though? That's the kicker.

[Kaboomer]

The Chuckwagon has nothing to hide here:

We've listed 8,223 items since launching on March 24th, 2008

Of those we have had 1,859 of them close through this evening or 23% have successfully closed. I seriously doubt 23% of all of Ebay's auctions end successfully. Do a search for Atari and look at how many items have gone unsold multiply that times all the bazillions of auctions they run and you will be amazed. Don't be fooled by Ebay thinking everything they host sells. It doesn't.

These 1,859 auctions have totaled $22,598 in actual sales dollars.

We've had 53,031 Searches since we launched meaning someone typed a specific term into a search box over 53,000 times and we've had 132,225 Item Views meaning someone has actually clicked into read about an auction over 132,000 times since launch.


For being online only 5 months I could ask for no more. Here is a thread discussing some of our members success on the Chuckwagon: http://www.chasingthechuckwagon.com/upload/forumdisplay.php?f=17

I've said it before, there is no better auction venue for buying and selling games than ChaseTheChuckwagon.com. And it's growing every day. We will hit 800 members by the end of August and are averaging about 150 members each month.

It's only a matter of time :)

[jb143]

What Ebay really needs to do is stop wasting their money investing in things like skype. Why in the world do they think that needs to be added to auction listings? If they'd stop wasting money on things like that, then maybe they'd be able to actually lower fees and bring in more customers...Sellers. They're who pay Ebay's bills. Buyers are the sellers customers. And maybe reward good sellers instead of punish them all becasue of what bad ones do. More good sellers-> more good stuff on Ebay-> more buyers-> all is back the way it once was.

A quick search on google reveals what they're doing with our fees...
eBay Acquires Skype
eBay Acquires PayPal
eBay acquires Craigslist
eBay Acquiring StumbleUpon
eBay Acquires VUVOX
eBay Acquires VeriSign
eBay acquires Shopping.com
eBay acquires Rent.com
eBay Acquires Tradera.com
eBay Acquires HomesDirect
eBay acquires Afterbuy.com
eBay Acquires StubHub
eBay Acquires Fraud Sciences
...

Cut it out Ebay, your an auction site!

[DreamTR]

Kaboomer, I don't think it has to do with eBay's closing prices, I think it has to do with our own personal experience of auctions closing.

By far my eBay auction closings were always around 90% because my prices were always aggressive. On CTCW, not so much, and I think a lot of that has to do with exposure still.

Don't get me wrong, I am dying for it to be bigger, and I do list/sell on there sometimes, but a lot of times, things just don't sell well for me there even with great prices...it's just an exposure thing still.

[JohnnyA]

Sorry about not linking the source originally. I had meant to, but it slipped my mind. It seems the shipping thing is still confusing some people... That table I posted is the maximum value you can charge for shipping if you only list one shipping method. If you list more than one method, you can charge more. They're trying to end ridiculous shipping charges, or so they say. What they're really trying to do is to get sellers to break apart lots, so that ebay makes more money.

If I sell 10 games for $10 in one lot and I get paid by PayPal, eBay gets $1.025 plus eBay gets $.59 via PayPal for a total of $1.615. Now, if I break that up and sell the 10 games separately in 10 listings, they get $.2375 and $.329 from PayPal for a total of $.5665 for each listing, for a total of $5.665!! So eBay would get 56.65% of your selling price instead of 16.15%. So, as you can see, eBay makes out like a bandit in this case. To be fair, you typically make more money when you break up a lot, but not always, especially with cheapo games.

[TRM]

They are getting way too big for their britches. I hope this kills them.

I don't have PayPal so I guess I am done with them, even buying.

Yeah I am this way also. Goodbye eBay, hello extra money that I will be saving...

[Kaboomer]

Kaboomer, I don't think it has to do with eBay's closing prices, I think it has to do with our own personal experience of auctions closing.

By far my eBay auction closings were always around 90% because my prices were always aggressive. On CTCW, not so much, and I think a lot of that has to do with exposure still.

Don't get me wrong, I am dying for it to be bigger, and I do list/sell on there sometimes, but a lot of times, things just don't sell well for me there even with great prices...it's just an exposure thing still.

Like I said we will get there. Keep trying us in the meantime you will see results :)

And, thanks by the way being a member of the Chuckwagon community. You registered way back in April. We've grown alot since then :)

[swlovinist]

I actually stopped selling on ebay once I found out about ChaseTheChuckwagon, which I give the site a HUGE thumbs up. Ebay is shooting themselves in the foot. All These changes that ebay does are really becoming annoying. Ebay really is sucking now for sellers.

Goodbye Ebay

Hello ChaseTheChuckwagon

Stick it to the man!

[garagesaleking!!]

ebay will never go away. the amount of money you get on ebay makes up for the fees. they offer something you cant get anywhere else. I hate the fees myself. But where else can you sell some vintage speakers for 600 in a couple days.

So am i understanding correctly, all the changes are for fixed price listings only? not auctions?

[Cmosfm]

I actually stopped selling on ebay once I found out about ChaseTheChuckwagon, which I give the site a HUGE thumbs up. Ebay is shooting themselves in the foot. All These changes that ebay does are really becoming annoying. Ebay really is sucking now for sellers.

Goodbye Ebay

Hello ChaseTheChuckwagon

Stick it to the man!

Sadly, I sell on ebay for a living, there is no way in hell I could pull in the same amount of sales on CTC as I could on eBay. I WISH I could, because ebay is raping the living hell out of me, and I hope that I can one day find somewhere to go with as large of a userbase as ebay and make as much money.

I'm sick of this but there's not a thing I can do.

[Bojay1997]

ebay will never go away. the amount of money you get on ebay makes up for the fees. they offer something you cant get anywhere else. I hate the fees myself. But where else can you sell some vintage speakers for 600 in a couple days.

So am i understanding correctly, all the changes are for fixed price listings only? not auctions?

I agree that Ebay will never go away, but they will continue to miss profit targets as more and more buyers and sellers stay away. Five years ago, I spent a thousand dollars or more a month on Ebay stuff. Nowadays, I'm lucky if I buy $100 worth of stuff a month off Ebay. I still spend thousands of dollars on video games and other electronics at outside vendors like Amazon and brick and mortar retailers, but I have been burned too many times by badly packed items, slow or rip-off shipping, misrepresented items and shill bidders. I have also been burned by the poor level of investigation conducted by Paypal into fraud.

For example, I purchased an allegedly new/factory sealed DS game a couple weeks ago, the seller shipped a badly beaten up used game which I returned and which the seller agreed to take back for a refund. As soon as the item was returned, the seller stops responding to e-mails. I open an investigation and the seller just sends the confirmation that the item was mailed to me and Paypal decides that's good enough, despite the fact that they have all the e-mails back and forth and my tracking confirming the game was returned. The seller has like nine recent negatives which weren't there when I bought the item and I guarantee Paypal and Ebay will do nothing. As far as I'm concerned, Ebay and Paypal allow fraud to happen and profit from it.

So, long story short, unless something I cannot find anywhere else at any price that I have always been searching for turns up (which is literally like 3 things at this point in my collecting), I will not be using Ebay.

[Sergeant Sega]

For me, who lives in Norway, ebay is more or less my number one source of retrogames and other cool stuff. Should I buy my games at QXL.no (a crappy Norwegian ebay wannabe) I'd end up paying 5-10 times more than on ebay. Our prices are so inflated that a cart versions of Super Mario World often sells for over $50. When I buy at home, I do it from fellow collectors and on the website my friend and I run, Retro1.no

I understand the fees, because it's the same thing here, if you sell something for a high value, all of the sudden you ow the site a lot of money for the transaction.

The utopia should be an auctionsite like ebay, but with smaller fees. They would still rake in the dough, and more items would sell, I'm sure.

[megasdkirby]

New seller standards: Minimum 4.3 on all DSRs: The vast majority of eBay sellers—some 96%—are well above this threshold. To protect the interests of all these sellers, starting November 1 we'll no longer allow the few who don't deliver on basic standards of customer satisfaction to sell on eBay. Sellers will be evaluated on the past 30 days of DSRs. Sellers who've received less than ten DSRs in the past 30 days will be evaluated on their DSRs over the last 12 months. Sellers with no DSRs will still be allowed to list. See the FAQs for more details.

That is one part I don't understand. :(


What Ebay really needs to do is stop wasting their money investing in things like skype. Why in the world do they think that needs to be added to auction listings? If they'd stop wasting money on things like that, then maybe they'd be able to actually lower fees and bring in more customers...Sellers. They're who pay Ebay's bills. Buyers are the sellers customers. And maybe reward good sellers instead of punish them all becasue of what bad ones do. More good sellers-> more good stuff on Ebay-> more buyers-> all is back the way it once was.

That, and fire Donohue as well. He's the culprit behind all this mess. They should fire him!


ebay will never go away. the amount of money you get on ebay makes up for the fees. they offer something you cant get anywhere else. I hate the fees myself. But where else can you sell some vintage speakers for 600 in a couple days.

Ebay won't be going away, but they will be hurt severely. Many more sellers will leave, stocks will drop to even lower amounts, and Ebay will use BUY.COM to pad their listings even further, manipulating stocks.

Eventually, it will bite them in the ass.

[Kevin H]

I still thought it was funny when one of the new auction sites, which I love btw, offered a lifetime membership on ebay. It was awesome IMHO. I just recently bought the lifetime membership on CTCW with owing no seller fees ever again, and I hope to soon use it to its fullest as soon as I get back from the Age of GAmers expo.

[ronclon]

I closed my Ebay store last night. I just got fed up with them constantly trying to shove me out the door since JD took over. I got the lifetime membership at CTCW last night as well and I am going to support it wholeheartedly.

[Kaboomer]

I still thought it was funny when one of the new auction sites, which I love btw, offered a lifetime membership on ebay. It was awesome IMHO. I just recently bought the lifetime membership on CTCW with owing no seller fees ever again, and I hope to soon use it to its fullest as soon as I get back from the Age of GAmers expo.

I actually sold a few as a result of that auction as well. And Ebay never pulled it :)

[megasdkirby]

Also became a member at CTC!

Hope I can frequent it more often than Ebay...Ebay is sucking bad!

Thanks Kaboomer!

[willowmoon93]

Come back, Yahoo! Auctions!

Rise from your Grave!

God yes! I really miss yahoo auctions, it was my primary auction site for quite a while until they decided to close up shop.

[tritium]

Thank you for letting me know about this site. I don't 'frequent many of these forums anymore, so I had no idea why ebay was sucking lately. I'll be shopping at ctcw !!!

[Nightwing]

I actually stopped selling on ebay once I found out about ChaseTheChuckwagon, which I give the site a HUGE thumbs up. Ebay is shooting themselves in the foot. All These changes that ebay does are really becoming annoying. Ebay really is sucking now for sellers.

Goodbye Ebay

Hello ChaseTheChuckwagon

Stick it to the man!

I pretty much agree. I'll be looking into all other options now when I go to sell of part of my toy collection.eBay is really getting too greedy for my tastes...

[jb143]

The problem with switching to Chase the Chuckwagon or GameGavel is that most of what I sell isn't game related. Ebay is still the only real option in that regaurd.

I think it's great what they're doing and wish them the best of luck but if they do ever become big enough to compete with Ebay then what's to stop Ebay from trying to buy them out too?

[coreys429]

I haven't used ebay in a year. I've been doing ok on selling local and through craigslist. A lot of people come up to me for video games telling me ebay is so bleep................down the line that they rather go through me then be screwed over. Ahhh the day is back of the personal dealer of games:pimp:

[coreys429]

The problem with switching to Chase the Chuckwagon or GameGavel is that most of what I sell isn't game related. Ebay is still the only real option in that regaurd.

I think it's great what they're doing and wish them the best of luck but if they do ever become big enough to compete with Ebay then what's to stop Ebay from trying to buy them out too?

Money and respect. I know money is worth *cough* a lot these days with rising costs, but the question is would you sell something that would mean a lot to the people you created for to beat ebay? Showing that alternative of selling and creating the idea of lifetime memberships. I don't think they would give the option back to ebay.

[Cmosfm]

I pretty much agree. I'll be looking into all other options now when I go to sell of part of my toy collection.eBay is really getting too greedy for my tastes...

Well, they aren't raising fees on toys.

Good fucking time for me to decide to part out my 400+ DS collection isn't it.

[megasdkirby]

Well, they aren't raising fees on toys.

Good fucking time for me to decide to part out my 400+ DS collection isn't it.

Got a link to your items? :)

Would like to bid on a few. :)

[Cmosfm]

Got a link to your items? :)

Would like to bid on a few. :)

You gotta surf through a lot of stuff since I have so much up for sale, lol.

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/cmosfm

I'm listing 30-40 new ones a week, so keep watching. :)

[kaedesdisciple]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/20/technology/20ebay.html?_r=1&sq=ebay&st=cse&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&scp=2&adxnnlx=1219337313-lFuLJ7yQ4P5sssGTKfT74A

I love how they left out the part about the FVF in this article, but I think what they're trying to say is that eBay is moving further and further away from being an auction house. Apparently management feels that they can make far more money dealing with other companies and BINs than its loyal customers with their auctions. My favorite part about the article is that they blame the customer for the change in business model!

I'd say it's about time a worthy competitor steps up and gives them a run for their money, but it looks like they don't even want the money with the way they write off their customers.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Well, Google dropped the ball on this one. They should've launched Google Auctions ages ago...

[eskobar]

eBay now has a huge market that has no significant competition ... they can and will do what they want to.

As many guys have said before; very few sellers can stop selling on ebay and this will result in higher prices.

[ryborg]

Well, Google dropped the ball on this one. They should've launched Google Auctions ages ago...

While I absolutely wish they would have done this, everyone's gotta realize that Google doesn't drop the ball very often. I'm sure they've looked into the cost of setting up a new auction house. A few years ago, Google Auctions may not have been successful like many people believe it can be today.

[Lostdwarf]

"Wal-mart" i mean "ebay" is a monopoly and a disease to everyone when you think about it. I use to love ebay but now it's very very commercialized and fixed. It's nearly impossible to get something good without paying an outragous shipping price or getting outbid with one second to go cause someone has a hack bid program.I say someone start a company called "Bid-Right' and agreefully give ebay a run for it's money. It's time now.

Dwarf

[Aussie2B]

I swear, eBay is making it more and more frustrating and convoluted for the small-time, occasional seller. The big-time sellers may already rule out money orders, but, me, I usually get at least one every time I list a small set of auctions (usually around 10 tops a couple times a year). Not only do a lot of people dislike PayPal, but brand new buyers often get their start with money orders because it's easier to slowly work your way into online shopping than register for a million different sites at once. Plus the real young buyers may not even have a checking account that would allow them to use PayPal. I know when I started eBay shopping I didn't. I started with personal checks from my mom when I was under 18, moved to money orders for a couple years when all I had was a savings account, and then a few years after registering for eBay, I finally signed up for PayPal. Now they're basically saying: "Sorry, you have to be old enough and financially independent enough to have a checking account AND you need to be internet-savvy just to even BEGIN to shop on eBay."

I've been using eBay since 1999, and with the way they keep changing things, it's like they're saying a big "fuck you" to the people that have stuck with them over the years. I try to approach auction listing in the same way as back then, but they want to make everything more difficult. Heck, I used to even accept cash from buyers, but they don't allow that anymore either (although, that I can better understand since it is a risk). I've always preferred to just write out my auctions in Notepad, coming up with all my own terms of buying, but now they want to force me to jump through hoops through all these damn options and forms and ruling out services I want to offer or the methods in which I want to offer them. At this rate, eBay is just going to turn into an overpriced Amazon Marketplace-style store in which everything is sold by big sellers and the buying/selling process is handled entirely by the host.

[Vroomfunkel]

As many guys have said before; very few sellers can stop selling on ebay

Watch me ...

[eskobar]

Watch me ...

Well, i said very few LOL

I do not have another option because most games i sell are very rare and some of them reach above 300 usd or more than 500 usd like some sealed quadruns, crazy climbers, iss cib, super copa .... etc :D

[Lostdwarf]

i stopped when they changed the whole feedback rating system a few months back. I had a guy screw me over, then leave me negative feedback and ebay refused to remove it. He never paid for his item so I sent an alert and finally requested a FVF for the auction that he never paid, well when I did that he left me a negative, go figure that one out, and ebay refused to withdraw his feedback. Thats when I said forget this BS!

dwarf

[megasdkirby]

You gotta surf through a lot of stuff since I have so much up for sale, lol.

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/cmosfm

I'm listing 30-40 new ones a week, so keep watching. :)

Hey, thanks!

Gonna save it on my watch. :)

[Kaboomer]

Welcome to all our new members. Each time there is an Ebay thread like this it does wonders for our growth. Registered 12 new members today alone! Usually we hover around 3-5. We are only few members away from 800!

And I hope more of you take the plunge :)

[Kaboomer]

The problem with switching to Chase the Chuckwagon or GameGavel is that most of what I sell isn't game related. Ebay is still the only real option in that regaurd.

I think it's great what they're doing and wish them the best of luck but if they do ever become big enough to compete with Ebay then what's to stop Ebay from trying to buy them out too?

I would never sell out to Ebay -- like it would ever come up anyway :). You can mark my words on that. Love this hobby to much to sell out to the "Dark Side".

[Kitsune Sniper]

http://www2.ebay.com/aw/core/200808.shtml#2008-08-20070116

They opened a forum for people to voice their opinions.

Feel free to fill it up with your complaints. And if you can get through to their town hall thing, make sure you demand an explanation for their bullshit.

[TonyB80]

Hi

Link below shows the changes in fees on ebay.co.uk for uk sellers.

http://pages.ebay.co.uk/pricechange08/

Looks like all fees go up.

I'm still going over the fact that before you could list an item in your shop for 3p (no gallery picture) but now you have to pay 40p (no option not to have a gallery picture). Also the monthly cost of having a shop is now £14.99 up from £6.00!!!!!

[Kitsune Sniper]

... Well, you're paying in pounds, of course they're going to squeeze as much as they can outta you. -_- :\

[winona2k]

Im kind of curious. lets say I have a 500$ item I want to sell. The old insertion fee was 4$. The new one is 0.15$

If the items sold for 500$ I would have to pay 0.15$ + 30$ compared to 4$ + 20.125$ Old system)

So why dont I simply list the item at a higher value to cover the higher fees? It wont cost me anything extra since the insertion fee is very low and there is no fees for unsold items?

I think we will see an increase in prices and less and less auctions in the future. But the sellers shouldnt have to worry too much as the new low insertion fee means they can just adjust their lowest price accordingly.

[megasdkirby]

So why dont I simply list the item at a higher value to cover the higher fees? It wont cost me anything extra since the insertion fee is very low and there is no fees for unsold items?

Because doing so will detract potential buyers and probably no one will purchase your items.


I think we will see an increase in prices and less and less auctions in the future. But the sellers shouldnt have to worry too much as the new low insertion fee means they can just adjust their lowest price accordingly.

But it also means that, if the item sells, they will end up paying alot more than they usually did. Which means that more and more sellers will leave ebay.

[winona2k]

Dunnu, in my experience most items will sell sooner or later despite the price beeing high. And if there is no fee or a very low fee to list the item, then you have very little to loose trying to get the higher price.

[AB Positive]

We all gotta remember an important thing here...

"Buy it now"

so... if you sell in all auction format - no change?

Either way... might have to setup a CtCW account soon. This has gotten pretty ridiculous.