View Full Version : New Sega Genesis collection for 360/PS3
shopkins
11-06-2008, 08:30 PM
I didn't see a thread for this so I thought I'd post and see what other people thought.
http://www.sega.com/games/?g=592
http://www.seganerds.com/2008/11/06/sega-mega-drive-ultimate-collection-coming-2009/#comments
Seems to be, for the most part, a very nice upgrade from the PS2 version. I noticed they took out Shadow Dancer and still didn't include Revenge Of Shinobi for some reason I don't understand, but they did put in the Shining, Streets of Rage and other Sonic games, filling a major gap in the PS2 collection.
Also, this says this will be compatible with 720p. I wonder how well it will work? I couldn't really tell from the small video.
I'm kind of curious as to what the extras will be, too. The fact that some of them might be unlockable Master System games and the fact that it outright says "four titles from the Phantasy Star series" makes me hopeful that we'll get the first Phantasy Star. Does Sega own all the rights to the Master System Wonder Boy and Alex Kidd games? Those would also be great additions.
s1lence
11-06-2008, 09:44 PM
Looks like an interesting collection, potential for a lot of cool achievements.
slip81
11-06-2008, 10:06 PM
That collection has a lot of great games. I'll definitely be picking this one up.
savageone
11-06-2008, 10:18 PM
Look at the screenshots, it's filtered to all hell.. I hope there is an option to turn that off.
namzep
11-06-2008, 10:24 PM
I'll definitely have to pick it up as I can't seem to get enough of the collections that they put out (especially all the different ones on the PS2).
kupomogli
11-06-2008, 10:50 PM
If Sega actually adds the Shining Force games I'll once again pick it up. If not then it really depends on what else they add.
7th lutz
11-07-2008, 12:06 AM
Revenge Of Shinobi isn't in for a reason. If Sega added Revenge Of Shinobi in New Genesis Collection, there would be a lawsuit by Marvel or movie companies.
Revenge Of Shinobi has bosses clearly resembling Spiderman, Batman, Terminator and Godzilla.
Leo_A
11-07-2008, 12:36 AM
Just the original release I thought? I believe its been reworked back in the day to resolve those issues.
I believe it was even on Sega Smash Pack for the Sega Dreamcast, so I don't think its unthinkable it could be on here.
SpaceHarrier
11-07-2008, 01:20 AM
The blur effect is kind of a no go for me. I get headaches from that sort of thing. As savageone mentioned, I hope there is the option to turn it off. Great preliminary list of games though.
I can't help but wonder, why not the whole dam catalogue though (maybe a multi-disc set)? Or even 1/2 of it. Or 1/3. They could put dozens upon dozens of Sega games from Master System all the way to Dreamcast on a Blu-Ray, right? Wouldn't that sell exponentially better than a lukewarm retread? Then again, Namco has been retailing the same collection for YEARS..
Graham Mitchell
11-07-2008, 01:35 AM
Although this appears to be a fantastic collection (it has PS IV!!) it makes me feel kind of dumb for buying several of these on Xbox Live Arcade already. And this is the second such collection we're seeing this week! (see the thread on Namco republishing their XBLA games on a Namco Museum disc) The fact that all these have been available already for some time on this generation of consoles sort of takes some of the punch out of this announcement. Regardless, it's still pretty cool.
It'll be interesting to see how well this sells, considering a lot of these games are already available.
Daria
11-07-2008, 01:41 AM
Wooo!
Shining Force!
sonoranreptile
11-07-2008, 07:32 AM
Hi-definition Upgrade: All titles included in the collection have been converted to vivid hi-def (720p) visuals to truly enhance that classic 2D experience!
Friggin' sweet!!!
Damaramu
11-07-2008, 08:16 AM
Yeah, those heavily filtered screenshots are killing it for me too. When it's confirmed that you're able to shut that off, I'll pick up a copy.
otaku
11-07-2008, 08:36 AM
They should make it look shiny and HD pretty like street fighter on xbox live. Then I'll buy. Does have a nice list (hell 40 games period is cool) still collections like this can't compare to a cart, a genesis and a genny controller (6 button)
Oobgarm
11-07-2008, 08:51 AM
Looks like an interesting collection, potential for a lot of cool achievements.
Precisely my thought.
Mimi Nakamura
11-07-2008, 08:58 AM
That is one nice collection.
I'm guessing it'll be cheap too - worth it for Bare Knuckle II and Dynamite Headdy alone!
shopkins
11-07-2008, 10:05 AM
I didn't notice it before, but this press release gives away another unlockable, Space Harrier. I wonder if it will be the arcade version?
http://www.sega.com/news/?n=2507
swlovinist
11-07-2008, 11:31 AM
I loved both the PS2 and PSP versions. I am excited about this one definately.
Drexel923
11-07-2008, 11:31 AM
Yeah, those heavily filtered screenshots are killing it for me too. When it's confirmed that you're able to shut that off, I'll pick up a copy.
It is an option...
"I’ve had confirmation that the filter can indeed be switched off...And the games will display at whatever ratio your console is set at – 4:3 or 16:9. If playing in 16:9 the game will fit and not have black borders at the side."
Taken from Kotaku.
Yet another must buy compilation!
shopkins
11-07-2008, 12:09 PM
It is an option...
"I’ve had confirmation that the filter can indeed be switched off...And the games will display at whatever ratio your console is set at – 4:3 or 16:9. If playing in 16:9 the game will fit and not have black borders at the side."
Taken from Kotaku.
Yet another must buy compilation!
Awesome. That was bugging me, too. Those Streets of Rage screens looked terribly blurred.
SegaAges
11-07-2008, 12:45 PM
Dude, this is going to pwn your face!
Getting for sure
heybtbm
11-07-2008, 12:58 PM
The Streets of Rage games might not be on the US version for the exact same reason they weren't on the North American PS2 Sonic Gems Collection. They would push the rating to "T" and we all know how horrible that scenario would be :roll:.
Leo_A
11-07-2008, 01:38 PM
Plenty of other similarly violent games in this collection from the looks of it, unlike in Sonic Gems. So safe to say in my opinion that they're not out for a E rating with this game.
Even then, Streets of Rage 1-3 are rated E anyways according to a search I just did at the ESRB site.
So lets not fabricate drama over something that's false and isn't even known right now. Sega Genesis Collection had T games in it, and this is mostly another version of that besides the title.
Nebagram
11-07-2008, 02:05 PM
Despite already owning the PS2 collection... not to mention most of the original Mega Drive games anyway... this is an absolute must buy, if only for the achievements. :D
heybtbm
11-07-2008, 02:25 PM
So lets not fabricate drama over something that's false and isn't even known right now.
"Fabricating drama"? THAT is the true definition of irony.LOL
Anyway, I said the SoR games "might not be in the game". They weren't in Sonic Gems, they weren't in the Sega Genesis Collection...so I'm just saying it's possible they won't be in this release. I'm hoping they are. I only have SoR2 (my old Genesis cart) and would love to play them again (without paying $8 a piece on the Wii VC).
kaedesdisciple
11-07-2008, 04:24 PM
Three words: Sign. Me. Up.
Here's the list so far (not including unlockables) for those of you that are saying, "Hey, goober, where's the list?"
Alex Kidd in the Enchanted Castle
Alien Storm
Altered Beast
Beyond Oasis
Bonanza Bros.
Columns
Comix Zone
Decap Attack starring Chuck D. Head
Dr. Robotnik's MBM
Dynamite Headdy
Ecco the Dolphin
Ecco II: The Tides of Time
E-SWAT
Fatal Labyrinth
Flicky
Gain Ground
Golden Axe I
Golden Axe II
Golden Axe III
Kid Chameleon
Phantasy Star II
Phantasy Star III: Generations of Doom
Phantasy Star IV: The End of the Millennium
Ristar
Shining in the Darkness
Shining Force
Shining Force 2
Shinobi III: Return of the Ninja Master
Sonic 3D Blast
Sonic and Knuckles
Sonic Spinball
Sonic the Hedgehog
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Sonic the Hedgehog 3
Streets of Rage
Streets of Rage 2
Streets of Rage 3
Super Thunder Blade
Vectorman
Vectorman 2
Leo_A
11-07-2008, 04:59 PM
Looks like I might've overreacted instead, I hate those rolling eyes smiley faces. Annoying
Anyways, no one seems to have noticed that Phantasy Star 1 for the SMS is included. They mentioned that all 4 are on this. So there's another unlockable we know about, besides some version of Space Harrier.
Overbite
11-07-2008, 08:11 PM
Hell yes, I play the ps2 version a lot and this is pretty much the same thing but more.
I'll have to start my PS4 game over though :(
Neil Koch
11-07-2008, 08:38 PM
Just the original release I thought? I believe its been reworked back in the day to resolve those issues.
I believe it was even on Sega Smash Pack for the Sega Dreamcast, so I don't think its unthinkable it could be on here.
There was a version of RoS that was on the Greatest Hits and 6-Pak Genesis carts, as well as the Sega CD pack-in version and the DC Smash Pack, that tweaked the possible copyright violations but it left Spider-Man in because Sega paid for the rights to the character. Marvel's comic book stuff was dirt cheap to license at this point, but not so much now with the popularity of the movies.
I'd suspect that Sega doesn't think it'd be cost-effective to go back and work on a game that's one of many on a compilation disc or a VC download. It's shame because RoS is my favorite 16-bit game. Shinobi III is good, and is some ways superior (ie the graphics) but it just doesn't have that special something RoS has.
I can't help but wonder, why not the whole dam catalogue though (maybe a multi-disc set)? Or even 1/2 of it. Or 1/3. They could put dozens upon dozens of Sega games from Master System all the way to Dreamcast on a Blu-Ray, right? Wouldn't that sell exponentially better than a lukewarm retread? Then again, Namco has been retailing the same collection for YEARS..
Sega's selling their stuff on the VC at $8 a pop. I'd suspect that's a much bigger of a profit margin than these collection, even if you factor in Nintendo's cut.
CosmicMonkey
11-07-2008, 10:00 PM
I personally don't see the point in these compilation discs anymore; that's what PSN/Live/WiiWare is for.
Why don't Sega release an absolutely perfect Megadrive emulator for PSN and make all 1st party titles immediately available for download individually. Work on all the other 3rd party titles as time goes on.
They could even incorporate it with PlayStation Home when it eventually comes out. If you buy the MD emulator you get a MD console to put in your virtual apartment. Every game you download you get a virtual representation of the actual game box, game and instruction manual to put on the shelf in your apartment. I think it'd be quite cool to have a PC Engine Duo and Megadrive again, but in my PSN house. A Saturn would be nice too ;)
DKTheArcadeRat
11-07-2008, 11:42 PM
For 29.99, this is a major steal. A definite must buy.
Daria
11-08-2008, 01:10 AM
I personally don't see the point in these compilation discs anymore; that's what PSN/Live/WiiWare is for.
$30 for 40+ games though. If the downloadables weren't $8 a pop I'd agree.
But I'm only in it for the Shining Forces... which I've already downloaded on Wii. But any excuse to play the game again is fine by me. (:
Trebuken
11-08-2008, 07:34 AM
I personally don't see the point in these compilation discs anymore; that's what PSN/Live/WiiWare is for.
Why don't Sega release an absolutely perfect Megadrive emulator for PSN and make all 1st party titles immediately available for download individually. Work on all the other 3rd party titles as time goes on.
They could even incorporate it with PlayStation Home when it eventually comes out. If you buy the MD emulator you get a MD console to put in your virtual apartment. Every game you download you get a virtual representation of the actual game box, game and instruction manual to put on the shelf in your apartment. I think it'd be quite cool to have a PC Engine Duo and Megadrive again, but in my PSN house. A Saturn would be nice too ;)
I like having the physical copy myself.
Looks like this could be the best retro-compilation to date of any kind...are there any compilations of this scale?
Leo_A
11-08-2008, 09:19 AM
I'd consider the recent Xbox 360 Namco Museum release, Atari Anthology, and even Intellivision Lives (We're not talking about quality of emulation, right?), as approaching it in terms of numbers of games and the scope of the publisher's library that's being included.
And it's not far away from Midway Arcade Treasures 1/2 and Sega's own Genesis collection they did for the PS2/PSP a couple of years ago.
Capcom's two PS2/Xbox collections had a ton of stuff too, but I forget numbers and I'm too lazy to get up and take a look at them on my shelf. :)
Too bad Sega's Genesis racing games aren't included, but I think most would need a slight bit of rework to eliminate licensed material (Like Ferrari's Pranching Horse logo on the back of the red car in Outrun) first, something they don't appear to consider financially worthwhile.
Maybe we'll get some licensed content through DLC. That seems the most viable way to introduce content that cost extra or needed some rework than tossing it into a collection free of charge in a way.
Daft Punk
11-08-2008, 09:44 AM
Im all over this one.
And once again, the Wii gets shafted. I can't see how it is the most popular system by far, yet no one wants to make any games for it. Classic compilations would probably sell more on this system if anything.
Leo_A
11-09-2008, 10:22 AM
Why would you put this on the Wii? People like CosmicMonkey are happily buying these individual games at $8 a pop off the Virtual Console. Makes more sense to do what they're doing, and target the people that aren't using the Virtual Console to purchase these titles.
Why would you put this on the Wii? People like CosmicMonkey are happily buying these individual games at $8 a pop off the Virtual Console. Makes more sense to do what they're doing, and target the people that aren't using the Virtual Console to purchase these titles.
I'm not a big VC fan. I like to hold games in my hand, and put them in my collection.
Captain Wrong
11-11-2008, 10:12 AM
Suprized they'd cut into their $8 a pop downloads for this. I figured PSN/XLA/VC was the death of the compilation disc. Glad to be wrong, if that's the case.
heybtbm
12-26-2008, 03:02 PM
Achievements/Trophies are up...
360: http://www.xbox360achievements.org/achievements.php?gameID=939
PS3: http://www.ps3trophies.org/game/sonics-ultimate-genesis-colletion/trophies/
Anyway...I'm pretty sure I'll be picking up the PS3 version at this point. I'm thinking the 360's D-pad might ruin this one.
swlovinist
12-26-2008, 03:09 PM
Nice trophies, I cant wait to get this one!
Off-topic but are there there any compilations at all for the Wii?
Graham Mitchell
12-26-2008, 04:00 PM
Off-topic but are there there any compilations at all for the Wii?
metal slug anthology. There's also a namco museum for it but i think the games are "enhanced" to make sure they look totally awful, and to use the wiimote.
s1lence
12-26-2008, 04:24 PM
Nice achievement list, looks like February 10th is going to be a good day. 29.95 according to Amazon.
Nebagram
12-26-2008, 05:52 PM
Excellent, liking the look of those achievements- and completing Sonic 1 and 2 on XBLA with the analogue stick, I'm not too fussed about transferring my 16-bit skills in other games over. :)
DigitalSpace
12-27-2008, 11:09 AM
lol @ the "Blast Processing" achievement.
geneshifter
12-27-2008, 11:16 AM
Off-topic but are there there any compilations at all for the Wii?
I just picked up a SNK Arcade Classics volume 1 compilation for Wii. It's good and a lot cheaper than buying these things on the VC. They're crazy priced on there.
jupitersj
12-27-2008, 07:41 PM
Yeah I think I'm also picking this up for my PS3 instead of 360 due to its shitty d-pad.
Add me to the list of those picking up the PS3 version. There's no way I'm going to play 2D games with the 360's D-pad.
geneshifter
12-28-2008, 08:57 AM
Oh, back on topic, I really want to get this but will have to wait until I get a PS3 because the 360 D-pad is just awful. I wish they would release this on the Wii and I would be set. I guess I could get it on the 360 since I have a hori arcade stick, though.
titanzguard
12-28-2008, 10:35 AM
Ill be picking it up the first day it comes out. Not sure about all of you but I like trophies over achievements so ill get it for PS3.
RPG_Fanatic
12-28-2008, 05:25 PM
I'll be picking this one up!!!!!!!!!
Leo_A
12-28-2008, 06:35 PM
I'll probably get the 360 version, I prefer Live and achievements. Seems strange not being logged into XBL when I'm on the PS3.
I'll probably get the PS3 version down the road and see how much better the games control with the d pad.
And who knows, we might all end up getting both of them. The PS2 and PSP versions of the last Genesis collection both had exclusive unlockable arcade games, maybe they'll pull something similar again with classic gamers like us double dipping to get the different unlockables.
Graham Mitchell
01-03-2009, 01:26 PM
This is kind of random, but it just occurred to me...with all those Turbo/PC-Engine CD games going on the Virtual Console these days, why hasn't Sega ever considered a Sega-CD comp disc? For every POS FMV game, there was one or two really well-made action games or RPG's. Ecco CD was a masterpiece, for example, and Dark Wizard and Shining Force CD are definitiely worth revisiting.
Of course, some of the really truly great Sega CD games would require quite a licensing headache (Working Designs games, or the Sega Cd version of Wing Commander for example) but there were a few really good ones that Sega developed on their own. Hell, I wouldn't mind playing the Streets of Rage and Revenge of Shinobi versions with the improved digital voices that were on Sega Classics disc, either.
Just a crazy idea I had.
swlovinist
01-03-2009, 04:07 PM
This is kind of random, but it just occurred to me...with all those Turbo/PC-Engine CD games going on the Virtual Console these days, why hasn't Sega ever considered a Sega-CD comp disc? For every POS FMV game, there was one or two really well-made action games or RPG's. Ecco CD was a masterpiece, for example, and Dark Wizard and Shining Force CD are definitiely worth revisiting.
Of course, some of the really truly great Sega CD games would require quite a licensing headache (Working Designs games, or the Sega Cd version of Wing Commander for example) but there were a few really good ones that Sega developed on their own. Hell, I wouldn't mind playing the Streets of Rage and Revenge of Shinobi versions with the improved digital voices that were on Sega Classics disc, either.
Just a crazy idea I had.
If more people cared, then Sega probably would do a comp of Sega CD. Unfortunately, there is only a small loyal following of Sega CD fans, and even a smaller following that acknowledge how awsome Dark Wizard is(one of my favorites and glad someone else agrees :)). This post makes me want to bust out my Sega CD collection to play some gems!
hopefully maybe some of the unlockables will be Sega CD games! I do recall that Sonic CD was on a Gamecube comp.
Graham Mitchell
01-03-2009, 05:17 PM
If more people cared, then Sega probably would do a comp of Sega CD. Unfortunately, there is only a small loyal following of Sega CD fans, and even a smaller following that acknowledge how awsome Dark Wizard is(one of my favorites and glad someone else agrees :)). This post makes me want to bust out my Sega CD collection to play some gems!
hopefully maybe some of the unlockables will be Sega CD games! I do recall that Sonic CD was on a Gamecube comp.
I can only hope. The demand may not be there right now, but if they just released it and issued some kind of explanation for it (maybe try to appeal to Genesis fans and tell them that these are definitive versions of classics), it's possible a fair amount of interest would be generated then and there. I'd buy it, anyway.
Glad I lured you away from your PS3/360 for awhile, BTW ;) I'm envious, actually. I don't have Sega CD hardware anymore and I'd kill to burn through Snatcher and Dark Wizard these days.
Leo_A
01-03-2009, 06:08 PM
Sonic CD was a pc port on Sonic Gems, Sega doesn't seem to want to emulate the Sega CD.
Neil Koch
01-03-2009, 08:57 PM
I'd like to see some sort of Sega CD compilation. I've heard that Sega CD emulation is pretty tricky though, and as was pointed out a lot of the games would be rights/licensing nightmares since a lot of them used real music and actors.
Hell, I wouldn't mind playing the Streets of Rage and Revenge of Shinobi versions with the improved digital voices that were on Sega Classics disc, either.
RoS probably will never get a legit re-release due to the Spiderman boss, sadly.
Graham Mitchell
01-03-2009, 10:52 PM
RoS probably will never get a legit re-release due to the Spiderman boss, sadly.
Crap, I forgot about that. Is there any such licensing woes with Shadow Dancer? I own the cart, and I just can't firgure out why that was never reissued. I actually prefer it to RoS, in fact (even the soundtrack!).
kainemaxwell
01-03-2009, 11:00 PM
I hope a 2nd Collection comes out for the PS2 with the Shining Force games. :(
Leo_A
01-03-2009, 11:27 PM
RoS probably will never get a legit re-release due to the Spiderman boss, sadly.
They've reworked the other bosses over the years, so its possible they may decide to do it eventually if theres anyone involved that understand and have access to the source code to modify it.
Therealqtip
01-04-2009, 12:32 AM
Look at the screenshots, it's filtered to all hell.. I hope there is an option to turn that off.
What do you mean?
Therealqtip
01-04-2009, 12:34 AM
I hope this game has Sonic CD.
Neil Koch
01-04-2009, 01:13 AM
Crap, I forgot about that. Is there any such licensing woes with Shadow Dancer? I own the cart, and I just can't firgure out why that was never reissued. I actually prefer it to RoS, in fact (even the soundtrack!).
Shadow Dancer is on the PS2 Genesis Collection so I would assume there's really no issues with porting it over.
Graham Mitchell
01-04-2009, 03:20 AM
Shadow Dancer is on the PS2 Genesis Collection so I would assume there's really no issues with porting it over.
Oh! I didn't know that.
kupomogli
01-04-2009, 09:03 AM
I'd like to see a Sega CD collection, too. Maybe Sega could talk with some other companies to put more than just Sega titles on it. Also Sega Saturn collection. Or better yet, a Sega CD collection with "CD" not meaning the system, but the basic format of what the systems are based on including both Sega's best Sega CD and Sega Saturn games. Now that'd be awesome.
G-Boobie
01-04-2009, 10:29 AM
I'm going to be cautiously optimistic about this, but I sure as hell wish that publishers would stay away from Backbone. Their quality is uniformly poor to middling unless Sirlin is involved, and even then you get the netcode problems with HD Remix. Actually, Sirlin isn't even there anymore...
Some Fantasy Zone would also be appreciated, Sega!
swlovinist
01-04-2009, 11:48 AM
I too would like to see more of a "total Sega Console Compliation", but I will take what I can get. I bet emulating the Saturn would be a bitch, but look forward to this compliation because I feel that it goes above and beyond just emulating the games that I already have.
The arcade unlockables is going to make this one awsome. If it has a golden axe arcade unlockable, I am going to snap.
Graham Mitchell
01-04-2009, 04:01 PM
The arcade unlockables is going to make this one awsome. If it has a golden axe arcade unlockable, I am going to snap.
Am I the only one who thinks the Genesis version of GA is actually quite awful? Play it sometime, see how badly it aged. Golden Axe II, on the other hand, is still quite awesome.
Off-topic, but am I the only one that remembers certain enemies in Golden Axe Arcade yelling "Ohhh Shiiiiit!!" when you killed them?
Am I the only one who thinks the Genesis version of GA is actually quite awful? Play it sometime, see how badly it aged. Golden Axe II, on the other hand, is still quite awesome.
Off-topic, but am I the only one that remembers certain enemies in Golden Axe Arcade yelling "Ohhh Shiiiiit!!" when you killed them?
It probably just sounded like that. No company would have curses in an arcade in 1988. Today though...
shopkins
01-24-2009, 01:34 PM
Edit with better info:
Unlockable games revealed.
Alien Syndrome (Arcade version if screenshots are any indication)
Altered Beast Arcade version
Tip Top/Congo Bongo
Fantasy Zone
Golden Axe Warrior (Master System)
Phantasy Star (Master System)
Shinobi Arcade Version
Space Harrier
Zaxxon
http://blogs.sega.com/usa/2009/01/22/sonics-ultimate-genesis-collection-9-unlockable-games-and-new-screenshots/
Not my full wishlist but not bad either.
What I don't get is, if it is "Sonic's" collection, why not include some of his Game Gear, Master System and Sega CD games as unlockables as they did on other Sonic collections. Also, the complete lack of Alex Kidd love is baffling. But, again, there might be more to reveal.
Leo_A
01-24-2009, 01:45 PM
I wonder if that's the full list? I was told by a employee that there were going to be 9 bonus games, but I only count 8 there.
Also, there's a good chance additional content will come as DLC.
shopkins
01-24-2009, 01:50 PM
I wonder if that's the full list? I was told by a employee that there were going to be 9 bonus games, but I only count 8 there.
Also, there's a good chance additional content will come as DLC.
I was going off the Sega Europe Website. I edited it with US info and now I count 9.
I would really like to see some good, cheap DLC.
heybtbm
01-24-2009, 02:01 PM
Sega Europe spilled the beans on some of the unlockable games. They are:
Shinobi Arcade Version
Cool. Has this ever been released on a home console before? Aside from the SMS version of course.
Graham Mitchell
01-24-2009, 04:21 PM
Cool. Has this ever been released on a home console before? Aside from the SMS version of course.
There's the PC Engine version which isn't too bad, but it's never hit America. Tengen did a crappy NES port, too.