Midway is ignorant and arrogant

[Iron Draggon]

I just got banned from their boards for posting this on their boards for Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe:

Why no Wii or PC version?

The XBOX360 isn't worth buying because it constantly malfunctions, and the PS3 still isn't worth buying if you already own a high-end PC. So why is there no PC or Wii version of this game? I shouldn't have to buy an unreliable system or a cheap Blu-Ray player just to play this game when I already own a system that should be able to run it better than an XBOX360 or a PS3. You want to know why Midway is losing money? It's because of stupid decisions like this to limit the market for games with massive sales potential to the few who own one or the other of the two worst values in video game systems. Thanks for being so interested in earning some of my hard-earned money. Now I'll never get to play this game, just because you can't be bothered to support the PC or the Wii in addition to the XBOX360 and the PS3.

WTF? Obviously, they don't want to hear any criticism of their business decisions... so let them tiwst in the dust when they end up going bankrupt!

[Hardcore]

You flamed the company on their own forum. And you are complaining?

/me sets mode +fail iron_draggon

[Iron Draggon]

if that's considered flaming, they deserve to burn... and if they can't take the heat on their own forums, they deserve to go down in flames... COWARDS

me sets Midway on = FAIL

it's not like they don't KNOW they're operating in the red... EVERYONE KNOWS

[Hardcore]

I think 4chan is right up your alley.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

While I don't agree with your assessment of gaming hardware - you can probably enjoy a bit of personal retribution knowing that Midway is likely going to go away (or have their best properties gutted and sold on the chopping block) based on their current multi-million-dollar-debt financial situation.

It's a damned shame considering the very decent legacy that the company has.

[Arcade Antics]

I just got banned from their boards for posting this on their boards for Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe:

Why no Wii or PC version?

The XBOX360 isn't worth buying because it constantly malfunctions, and the PS3 still isn't worth buying if you already own a high-end PC. So why is there no PC or Wii version of this game? I shouldn't have to buy an unreliable system or a cheap Blu-Ray player just to play this game when I already own a system that should be able to run it better than an XBOX360 or a PS3. You want to know why Midway is losing money? It's because of stupid decisions like this to limit the market for games with massive sales potential to the few who own one or the other of the two worst values in video game systems. Thanks for being so interested in earning some of my hard-earned money. Now I'll never get to play this game, just because you can't be bothered to support the PC or the Wii in addition to the XBOX360 and the PS3.

WTF? Obviously, they don't want to hear any criticism of their business decisions... so let them tiwst in the dust when they end up going bankrupt!
Your post sounds like you don't want an answer - you're just looking to bash them in their own neighborhood so they probably figured, "the hell with this."

If you really wanted to know why there wasn't a Wii or PC version, why not just keep it to:


Why no Wii or PC version?

...and give them a chance to respond?

[Garry Silljo]

I wouldn't think posting on their boards would have any effect on them, so I'm not sure why you did. For what it's worth though I agree with you. If MK vs. DC was on Wii I would have payed full price before it was even released and picked it up on launch day. Now I will most likely never play it. I refuse to by a 360 with it's ridiculous failure rate and the PS3 isn't even the cheapest Blu-ray anymore making it even less appealing than before.

[heybtbm]

Ugh. I wish we were so lucky.

[SegaAges]

While I agree that it needs to be put on more systems, I can see why they would not.

While the Wii is a cool system, it just can't push the graphical limits that a ps3 or 360 could. And the pc has a huge piratting rate.

And yes, saying anything negative about a company their own boards would justify the ba hammer.

I am not going to do it, but it would be like me starting a thread and talking down on Joe's store. It would have the same effect of the ban hammer.

[DreamTR]

You can't blame Midway for PS3 or XBOX 360 system issues. THose are where the sales numbers are for the type of graphics needed to display this game.

Remember, the Wii is still basically a GameCube, and like with Armageddon, Midway WAITED on sales numbers for PS2/XBOX to see how well it would do before releasing it on Wii.



This game is a whole different story, but you flamed the heck out of them for no reason. MK makes money, the reason they are in this whole is because of non AAA products like STranglehold which put them in an even BIGGER hole.

PC is a joke, that is bootleg non selling central for most fighting games...

[ProgrammingAce]

midway is obviously struggling to keep from closing down. It costs a *lot* of money up front to make a game, even a port. They don't have the cash, so they choose the most profitable systems.

It's like shopping at costco. Sure you can save money by buying the huge $50 box of cereal, but if you don't have the $50 to spend, then you're out of luck.

[Steve W]

I think it's obvious why there's no Wii or PC version. The Wii is now perceived as the 'gimmick' console. Underpowered and filled with shovelware, it's geared more toward 'casual' gamers, not hardcore players who would like something like MK vs. DC. And on the PC side, you have to deal with constant and widespread piracy. At least on the PS3 and 360 it's a little harder to pirate than with a PC.

[maxlords]

Also.....who plays fighting games on the PC? The demographics are NOT in favor of PC releases for major fighters. And the Wii wouldn't appeal to the hardcore fighter audience at all. I just can't see either of those being a sensible choice for release.

[Neil Koch]

They probably can't afford to make a Wii/PC version. They had to borrow money to print out the game in the first place.

[The 1 2 P]

Also.....who plays fighting games on the PC? The demographics are NOT in favor of PC releases for major fighters. And the Wii wouldn't appeal to the hardcore fighter audience at all. I just can't see either of those being a sensible choice for release.

QFT

Seriously, who plays fighting games on a pc? Thats got to be one of the worst controller set ups ever. As for the Wii, most third party games just can't seem to cetch a break under the all mighty shadow of Nintendo first party games. So while I understand that you still want a pc release of every game in existance, the piracy rate will always keep that from happening. Even without piracy this game wouldn't have fit into the pc's main demographic....or the Wii's.

[otoko]

...game wouldn't have fit into the pc's main demographic....or the Wii's.


Agreed... 99.99999999% of my friends would never buy a fighting game for the PC. I've asked. From what I've gathered PC is shooter country.

[CreamSoda]

They probably can't afford to make a Wii/PC version. They had to borrow money to print out the game in the first place.

Exactly. A Wii version? I could see it happening, but a PC version, never.

[kupomogli]

This game is a whole different story, but you flamed the heck out of them for no reason. MK makes money, the reason they are in this whole is because of non AAA products like Stranglehold which put them in an even BIGGER hole.

Non AAA products? Every Mortal Kombat from 4 and on. The only people who ever buy an MK game anymore are fans who think maybe the creators will wise up and actually create a good game once again. However, after promises and promises, the creators just create more and more crap.

I remember the promise that they were going to create an entirely new fighting engine and Armageddon was going to be some sortof godsend. What happened to the new system? Armageddon was nothing more than an even worse version of Deception with a crappy character creation, adventure, and racing system. I'd personally never buy another MK because of all the failed promises, whether it was good or not.

Now you did mention Stranglehold. While it wasn't the best title ever or even a very high quality title, it was still a pretty good title. Definitely had fun playing through the game, although it was quite repetitive. The way the game itself controlled was pretty much perfect as it was very responsive towards every action you made and there was hardly ever slowdown even with the amount of enemies. So to tell you the truth, the game was actually a well developed title and it fit being a sequel to Hard Boiled very well(as the movie itself was nothing but a pure action title.) This is more of a AAA title than any MK game will ever be, even when the MK series didn't suck.

[j_factor]

I think it's obvious why there's no Wii or PC version. The Wii is now perceived as the 'gimmick' console. Underpowered and filled with shovelware, it's geared more toward 'casual' gamers, not hardcore players who would like something like MK vs. DC.

Please. MK vs. DC is in no way "hardcore". It is as much of a gimmick game as anything else. The Wii may be underpowered, but how much power does this game really need? It doesn't look like anything fancy. I'm sure it could be scaled down to 480p without any big problems.

[CelticJobber]

MK vs. DC would have to be really scaled down to work on Wii. And Midway is in a dire financial situation, so I doubt it has the resources to do such a port.

Why not flame Rockstar for not porting GTA IV to Wii, or Namco for not porting Soulcalibur IV? Its the same deal...

[heybtbm]

Please. MK vs. DC is in no way "hardcore".

Can we stop with using the word "hardcore" as the assumed opposite of "casual"? It sounds so stupid.

[alxbly]

You want to know why Midway is losing money? It's because of stupid decisions like this to limit the market for games with massive sales potential to the few who own one or the other of the two worst values in video game systems.

Classic stuff. A few people have already mentioned that the companies dire financial situation may be related to why there isn't a Wii version. Perhaps they simply couldn't finance it?

Remember that Midway did release the last Mortal Kombat game (Armageddon) on the Wii, and it got similar scores to this game. If that title didn't sell well on the Wii then that's one very significant factor that Mr. Finance Director and/or Mr. Bank Manager would been considering when asked to fund a Wii version of the current game.

[TheDomesticInstitution]

"Hardcore" is my favorite type of pornography.

[j_factor]

MK vs. DC would have to be really scaled down to work on Wii. And Midway is in a dire financial situation, so I doubt it has the resources to do such a port.

Why not flame Rockstar for not porting GTA IV to Wii, or Namco for not porting Soulcalibur IV? Its the same deal...

The Wii clearly couldn't handle GTA IV. What is so special about MK vs. DC that the Wii couldn't handle it? Other than the fact that it's in HD, it doesn't look like anything that couldn't be done on Xbox.

Being short on resources isn't much of an excuse. It would've taken less resources to make this game for Wii to begin with.

[Cinder6]

I'm failing to see how Midway is ignorant, based off this exchange. And I don't think they're coming off as ignorant. You spouted off a completely useless diatribe against them on their public forums. I'd have banned you, too.

To reiterate what others have said, who plays fighters on the PC? That sounds horrible in so many ways.

As for the Wii, it would take a lot to scale it down, and frankly, the cost would outweigh any financial game they got. Traditional fighters aren't for the Wii. They would require players to buy another piece of hardware to control them well (namely, the classic controller), which is a big turnoff. Playing with the remote would be a joke.

[kedawa]

QFT

Seriously, who plays fighting games on a pc? Thats got to be one of the worst controller set ups ever.

Yeah, my USB arcade stick is horrible for fighting games.

[kedawa]

Traditional fighters aren't for the Wii. They would require players to buy another piece of hardware to control them well (namely, the classic controller), which is a big turnoff.
If people really hate buying those extra controllers for Wii, why is every videogame store/department overflowing with gimmicky Wii accessories? Why didn't Wii Fit tank?
The Wii classic controller is a better fighting pad than the DS3 or 360 pad.
Not that it really matters, since MKvsDC is a joke of a fighting game to begin with.

[Sudo]

Your comments were the things that were ignorant and arrogant. The majority of my PS3 and 360 games aren't on the PC, so to say that they aren't worth owning if you have a high-end PC is both laughable and incorrect. The game would tank on Wii, anyway.

[Icarus Moonsight]

I often wonder why certain less tech dependent games that are 360/PS3 releases don't get a Wii release. Soul Calibur IV, SFIV and SF Turbo HD Remix (just scale it to 480p? what's the big deal?) among others. They would take a hit in the sparklies department but these games are completely realizable on the Wii hardware. With the classic controller, it's not as if the waggle stick is a huge obsticle. Does the classic controller have that poor of a sell through?

They released MK on the original Gameboy for Pete's sake. I know it comes down to internal decisions, but it doesn't make much sense to me.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

I think it's pretty simple and it's already been eluded to multiple times in this thread -

This isn't about Midway "hating" Nintendo users or PC owners, this is about the fact Midway is financailly FUCKED.

These games probably went into development on PS3 and 360 dev kits LONG before the shit really hit the fan in the money department, and after the fact they couldn't very well allocate the resources to do scaled-down ports for the Wii or hardware scaleable versions for PC.

[Sudo]

I often wonder why certain less tech dependent games that are 360/PS3 releases don't get a Wii release. Soul Calibur IV, SFIV and SF Turbo HD Remix (just scale it to 480p? what's the big deal?) among others. They would take a hit in the sparklies department but these games are completely realizable on the Wii hardware. With the classic controller, it's not as if the waggle stick is a huge obsticle. Does the classic controller have that poor of a sell through?

They released MK on the original Gameboy for Pete's sake. I know it comes down to internal decisions, but it doesn't make much sense to me.

...Because it would defeat the purpose of the game. It would be SD Remix. I don't know why people think it's so easy to just make the graphics worse and do a quick Wii port for all the PS3/360 games that come out. The process is more complicated than that, and it often isn't worth it when you consider the sales of third party games on the Wii.

[emceelokey]

Just in the sake of fighting games. Why the hell would you release a game on either platform. PC's are pretty much FPS games, RTS/strat games or MMOs. There are probably 100's of franchises that probably could release games on the PC that just won't because of the way the market is for PC games. You can pretty much ask why isin't there a Mega Man game for the PC. There's just little money in it. Even Madden doesn't do well on PC. As for the Wii. Other than the hardware limitations. The controller has TWO freakin buttons! If they want to play the game with way it was ment to be played then Midway would have to count on everyone buying a $20 controller, which most people won't do. I highly doubt there are "massive sales potentials" and those sales potentials probably won't outweigh the production cost of having to retool the game for each platform. I think they wouldhave been better off on trying to make a version for th handheld systems thatn either the PC or Wii.

[kedawa]

Mortal Kombat has never had enough depth to justify more than two buttons anyway, so I'm sure it could be made quite playable on the Wiimote by a competent developer.

[ubersaurus]

Mortal Kombat has never had enough depth to justify more than two buttons anyway, so I'm sure it could be made quite playable on the Wiimote by a competent developer.

You sir are clearly not familiar with Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3. Not only does it have depth, I'd easily rank it in the top 10 of best competitive fighters ever made.

[Snapple]

You're flaming Midway for a problem that doesn't have anything to do with MK vs. DC Universe. Your problem is that most high-end console games are made for the 360 and/or PS3. And to that I say... well, tough shit. If you don't want a PS3, get a 360. If you don't get a 360, get a PS3. And if you don't want either, then don't bitch that none of the games are coming out for the Wii, because you made the choice to buy the underpowered console of this generation.

I'm going to play the world's smallest violin for Iron Dragoon right now. I'm crying tears because not every multiplatform game comes out for the Wii, and because fighters aren't for the PC.

If 360 and PS3 aren't good enough for you, that's your problem, not theirs. Get over yourself.

[Zap!]

I just got banned from their boards for posting this on their boards for Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe:

Why no Wii or PC version?

The XBOX360 isn't worth buying because it constantly malfunctions, and the PS3 still isn't worth buying if you already own a high-end PC. So why is there no PC or Wii version of this game? I shouldn't have to buy an unreliable system or a cheap Blu-Ray player just to play this game when I already own a system that should be able to run it better than an XBOX360 or a PS3. You want to know why Midway is losing money? It's because of stupid decisions like this to limit the market for games with massive sales potential to the few who own one or the other of the two worst values in video game systems. Thanks for being so interested in earning some of my hard-earned money. Now I'll never get to play this game, just because you can't be bothered to support the PC or the Wii in addition to the XBOX360 and the PS3.

WTF? Obviously, they don't want to hear any criticism of their business decisions... so let them tiwst in the dust when they end up going bankrupt!

If you would have just asked politely why there was no Wii version, you would not have been banned. There was no need to put down the XBox 360 ("constantly malfunctions") or the PS3 ("cheap Blu-Ray player"). The final nail in the coffin was when you mentioned Midway's (the forum you were on no less!) money problems and quote "stupid decisions." That's just wrong. Critisizing is fine. Putting people down is just wrong.

[Zap!]

It's a damned shame considering the very decent legacy that the company has.

More than decent. They actually have been making games before Computer space (see sig). While it's not a true video game, it is still the same idea and cabinet.

[kedawa]

You sir are clearly not familiar with Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3. Not only does it have depth, I'd easily rank it in the top 10 of best competitive fighters ever made.
I can't argue with you there, since I gave up on MK after MK3 and only played UMK3 and MKT casually.
The 3D Kombat games are just convoluted without having any real depth.

[j_factor]

As for the Wii. Other than the hardware limitations. The controller has TWO freakin buttons! If they want to play the game with way it was ment to be played then Midway would have to count on everyone buying a $20 controller, which most people won't do.

As was said before, Mortal Kombat was previously ported to the original Game Boy of all platforms. Not to mention Game Gear and Sega Master System. Granted, those versions sucked, but if "it would suck" hasn't stopped them before (and Midway has a long history of shitty ports), why should it stop them now? Mortal Kombat Trilogy was even on the Game.com!

[Garry Silljo]

Mortal Kombat has never had enough depth to justify more than two buttons anyway, so I'm sure it could be made quite playable on the Wiimote by a competent developer.

Not to mention there is little to no doubt that if they made a Wii port it would use the nunchuck adding MORE buttons. Where did this 2 figure come from? Even if it used the just the remote there are more than two buttons. The big A, 1, 2, B on the bottom ...

[Sniderman]

Why are there no Mario games for the PS3 or Xbox360 when they are clearly more superior to the Wii? And why did I get banned from the Nintendo forums when I asked this? (As well as insulting their intelligence and business model...)

[kaedesdisciple]

Why are there no Mario games for the PS3 or Xbox360 when they are clearly more superior to the Wii? And why did I get banned from the Nintendo forums when I asked this? (As well as insulting their intelligence and business model...)

Duh, just ask most ignorant people that walk into GS. Of COURSE there are Mario games for the 360 and PS3, their 5 year old SAID there are, so there HAVE to be! [/sarcasm]

Seriously, if some nobody came into my house and decided to make baseless "criticism" about how I do business, I'd throw him out too.

[Solertia]

The XBOX360 isn't worth buying because it constantly malfunctions, and the PS3 still isn't worth buying if you already own a high-end PC.

Alright, for one thing, the Xbox360 does not "constantly" malfunction. People need to stop using the RROD as an excuse to bash 360. If you get an RROD, you send it back, they give you a new one that is less likely to break, and it doesn't cost you a penny! How terrible! Seriously, the only downside is the you don't get to play Xbox 360 games for the week-or-two it takes to get the new one, and if that's such a problem, then you should probably get outside more or find something else to do.

Second, what does owning a PS3 have to do with owning a high-end PC? I own a high-end PC, but I also own a PS3, because I have friends who own PS3's that don't own Xbox360's or they don't game on PC, and as far as I know, there aren't any PC versions of MGS4, LittleBigPlanet, or the Resistance games (or other upcoming PS3 exclusives).

/rant

[Garry Silljo]

Why are there no Mario games for the PS3 or Xbox360 when they are clearly more superior to the Wii? And why did I get banned from the Nintendo forums when I asked this? (As well as insulting their intelligence and business model...)

You could make a Mario Sackboy in Little Big Planet and then build any Mario level you wish.

[kupomogli]

Not to mention there is little to no doubt that if they made a Wii port it would use the nunchuck adding MORE buttons. Where did this 2 figure come from? Even if it used the just the remote there are more than two buttons. The big A, 1, 2, B on the bottom ...

You have to realize that the Wiimote plays fighters like ass. Ever try playing SSBB while using the Wiimote? It's extremely uncomfortable. The nunchuk/Wiimote is a better option, but it still sucks in comparison to playing it using a Gamecube controller.

Even the Gamecube controller sucks for your average fighter, though. For Smash Bros it's good only because the buttons used. However, most people who never originally had a Gamecube probably won't have a Gamecube controller(and even then we're not talking about SSB.)

[bangtango]

... so let them tiwst in the dust when they end up going bankrupt!

So I assume this also means all of the people who work at Midway but have nothing to do with the decision making and are just there trying to put food on their families tables?

I suppose it is all right if they "twist in the dust" when they get laid off, if they haven't already.

If you ask me, Midway would have went under a long time ago if they bent over backwards trying to put every console game onto the PC.

[Nature Boy]

Being short on resources isn't much of an excuse. It would've taken less resources to make this game for Wii to begin with.

I totally disagree. If you're struggling financially, you have to make decisions, and I personally believe not releasing an MK game on the Wii was the right decision for them.

On the actual *topic,* however, before I'll comment on how ignorant they were for banning you I'd like to know what their rules for posting are. If they've clearly stated in their rules that, for example, flaming the company is strictly not allowed then they were right to ban you.

If you violated none of their rules then shame on them. But shame on you in the first place for making a simple question like "why not Wii" into an anti-360/PS3 rant. The reason you choose a Wii isn't relevant to the discussion at hand. Hell you should've known games like this might not be made for Wii when you made your choice in the first place.

[Garry Silljo]

You have to realize that the Wiimote plays fighters like ass. Ever try playing SSBB while using the Wiimote? It's extremely uncomfortable. The nunchuk/Wiimote is a better option, but it still sucks in comparison to playing it using a Gamecube controller.

I'm willing to accept that but seeing as how there already is an MK game released on the Wii, people shouldn't be acting like it can't be done. Best control option? I agree, no. Unthinkable? Why the hell not?

[Garry Silljo]

Alright, for one thing, the Xbox360 does not "constantly" malfunction. People need to stop using the RROD as an excuse to bash 360. If you get an RROD, you send it back, they give you a new one that is less likely to break, and it doesn't cost you a penny! How terrible!

Or they could sell one that works in the first place. That's just me being irrational though.

[heybtbm]

But shame on you in the first place for making a simple question like "why not Wii" into an anti-360/PS3 rant. The reason you choose a Wii isn't relevant to the discussion at hand. Hell you should've known games like this might not be made for Wii when you made your choice in the first place.

Have you ever read any of his posts before? I'll sum them up...

Wii good. PS3/360 bad.

Yawn. Same theme everytime. The only thing that changes is the context.

[ProgrammingAce]

I'm willing to accept that but seeing as how there already is an MK game released on the Wii, people shouldn't be acting like it can't be done. Best control option? I agree, no. Unthinkable? Why the hell not?

The last mortal kombat game sold like crap on the wii, why would they release another?

It's not enough to just develop and sell a game on a specific platform, somebody actually has to buy it.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Have you ever read any of his posts before? I'll sum them up...

Wii good. PS3/360 bad.

Yawn. Same theme everytime. The only thing that changes is the context.

At least in this thread the PS3 wasn't cited as still costing $600.

[Gentlegamer]

Midway was going to make a Wii version, but Nintendo was going to require that there be a tiger killing bonus stage.

[otoko]

Midway was going to make a Wii version, but Nintendo was going to require that there be a tiger killing bonus stage.

LOL LOL LOL LOL... wait... what?

[kainemaxwell]

I just got banned from their boards for posting this on their boards for Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe:

Why no Wii or PC version?

The XBOX360 isn't worth buying because it constantly malfunctions, and the PS3 still isn't worth buying if you already own a high-end PC. So why is there no PC or Wii version of this game? I shouldn't have to buy an unreliable system or a cheap Blu-Ray player just to play this game when I already own a system that should be able to run it better than an XBOX360 or a PS3. You want to know why Midway is losing money? It's because of stupid decisions like this to limit the market for games with massive sales potential to the few who own one or the other of the two worst values in video game systems. Thanks for being so interested in earning some of my hard-earned money. Now I'll never get to play this game, just because you can't be bothered to support the PC or the Wii in addition to the XBOX360 and the PS3.

WTF? Obviously, they don't want to hear any criticism of their business decisions... so let them tiwst in the dust when they end up going bankrupt!
Enjoy your banhammer over there then.

[Nature Boy]

Have you ever read any of his posts before? I'll sum them up...

Wii good. PS3/360 bad.

Yawn. Same theme everytime. The only thing that changes is the context.

I guess in this case the PS3/360 are bad because they're stealing games that rightfully belong on the Wii!

Shame on you PS3/360!!! Go to your rooms until you learn how to share!

[Garry Silljo]

Midway was going to make a Wii version, but Nintendo was going to require that there be a tiger killing bonus stage.

You know what? ... That's funny. Nice one.

[The 1 2 P]

You could make a Mario Sackboy in Little Big Planet and then build any Mario level you wish.

Which would last all of a few days before Sony deleted it.


Have you ever read any of his posts before? I'll sum them up...

Wii good. PS3/360 bad.

Yawn. Same theme everytime.

You forgot the "every game that ever gets made should have a pc port, even cell phone and board games......just because" part.

[Garry Silljo]

Which would last all of a few days before Sony deleted it.


Keep it private, don't upload it.

[Gentlegamer]

You know what? ... That's funny. Nice one.*bows*

[emceelokey]

Midway was going to make a Wii version, but Nintendo was going to require that there be a tiger killing bonus stage.

.....Hmmm...... That might sell.

[Flack]

In a board room with a wall of windows facing Lake Michigan, a group of twenty-and-thirty-somethings wearing button down shirts, dockers and brightly-colored ties sit facing on another at a long, heavy table. The man at the head of the table, Midway CEO Matt Booty stands, clears his throat, and calls the meeting to order.

"Gentlemen," he begins, "we are in trouble." The only sound in the room is that of the projector. Powerpoint slide after slide scrolls by delivering a barrage of bad news. "Console sales are down, game sales are down ... Boys, the recession has caught up with us."

Matt sits back down in his chair, putting his hands behind his head and leaning back. He picks up a glass of ice water; there's no water left, and he rattles the ice against the sides of the glass to prove it.

"Uh, Matt," one of the men says. It's Bob MacArthur, one of Midways project leads. "We've been working on a new title ... may I?" he says, uncertainly. Matt nods, and Bob walks to the laptop. With a few keystrokes, a new Powerpoint appears on the projector screen: "MORTAL KOMBAT HERO". The splash screen shows Raiden holding a microphone, with lightning in his eyes. Behind Raiden stand Scorpion with a guitar, Sub Zero with a bass, and Goro on drums. Off to the side is Kitara and Sonya, one with maracas, the other with a tambourine.

"The name says it all, really," says Bob. Underneath the game's title is a subheading: "Flawless Rockality".

The room is silent. Suddenly, Matt springs to his feet, walking directly up to Bob and punching him in the gut. As Bob doubles over, Matt grabs his head, twists it, and pops it off. Reaching into his neck hole, Matt grabs a handful of Bob's tendons. By pulling on them he makes Bob's body appear to be playing air guitar.

"Flawless Rockality," he says, letting go of the clump of tissue as Bob's body crumples to the floor below.

Once again, the room is silent, save for the faint whir of a projector fan.

"Anybody else have any ideas?" asks Matt, wiping the blood from his hands on a small towel.

For half a minute, the room remains silent. The tension is thick. Finally, again, someone speaks up.

"What about porting MK vs DC to the Wii?" a voice says.

The room remains silent. "Who suggested that?" Matt asks.

"A user on our forums," says the voice. "He also called us idiots," he adds.

Matt sits back down in his chair. He laughs for a split second; then again, slightly longer. Finally his laughter erupts in an explosion of madness. "That's it ... that's IT!" he exclaims! "We ARE idiots!" he laughs!

Slowly, the nervous board members begin to laugh, too. Matt walks over behind one of the men and puts his hands on his shoulders. Matt throws his head back and laughs even louder. When his head tilts forward, his face is gone, replaced with a metal skull. His razor sharp nails dig into the man's neck, holding his target in place. Suddenly, flames shoot from his eyes and mouth, burning the member beyond recognition almost instantly. Screams fill the room. One member running toward the door is stuck in the back by Scorpion's tail.

"Get over here!" shouts Matt, punching all the way through the man's torso with his free hand.

One member attempting to flee opens the double closet doors in the back of the room only to discover Goro hiding there. Goro picks the man up with two of his arms and holds him in the air, punching him repeatedly with the other two.

"FLAWLESS ROCKALITY!!!" Matt screams as the carnage continues to unfold.

[Gabriel]

"Uh, Matt," one of the men says. It's Bob MacArthur, one of Midways project leads. "We've been working on a new title ... may I?" he says, uncertainly. Matt nods, and Bob walks to the laptop. With a few keystrokes, a new Powerpoint appears on the projector screen: "MORTAL KOMBAT HERO". The splash screen shows Raiden holding a microphone, with lightning in his eyes. Behind Raiden stand Scorpion with a guitar, Sub Zero with a bass, and Goro on drums. Off to the side is Kitara and Sonya, one with maracas, the other with a tambourine.

"The name says it all, really," says Bob. Underneath the game's title is a subheading: "Flawless Rockality".



That's so lame it wraps back around to awesome.

[Nature Boy]

"FLAWLESS ROCKALITY!!!"

I will now think this every time I play either game...

Brilliant!

[Iron Draggon]

well at least this thread illustrates some of their ignorance pretty well

they deleted my post immediately, instead of letting it stand and letting others comment on it after I was banned for it... to keep their Denial Nirvana forums "happy"... would it have harmed them so much to face reality and let all their posters comment on what I posted? I suspect the thread would've followed a similar course as this one has... but instead, they reinforced my assertion that they're obviously not interested in selling me Wii or PC games

BTW, to the person who asked, their forum rules state that they can edit or remove anything for any reason, or for no reason at all... so it's a fascist board

for those who perceive me whining about being banned, their bans are only temporary, so the fact that I was banned isn't my issue with the matter as much as how and why I was banned and my post was deleted immediately... let's keep Denial Nirvana "happy" by ruling it with an iron fist of censorship, shall we? granted, it is their right to do so on their own forums, but it still smacks of COWARDICE when owners find such methods necessary to them

so in other words, they're AFRAID to make games for the Wii and PC now... and granted they should be afraid, in their situation, but what have they got to lose in doing so till the bitter end? going bankrupt faster? accidentally stumbling on a miraculous mega-hit that turns their profit margins around?

apparently alot of you think that the point of my post was just another bitch session about this or that... and maybe it is for some people, but clearly it's not for others, judging by the comments in this thread so far... it is what you perceive it to be, so I won't defend it much more than to make it clear that I currently do most of my modern gaming on Wii & PC, after having done it on GBA & PC exclusively since the death of the Dreamcast... so the games I know of XBOX, PS2, Gamecube, XBOX360, & PS3 are the games that got ported to the PC... mostly racing games, as that's what I enjoy most now... but I still know of most games for those systems in other genres, as long as they got ported to the PC... the Wii not so much still, as I still don't actually own a Wii yet myself, I just started collecting for it after my parents got one, and I'm still mainly focusing on my retro collecting goals over my modern collecting goals, but managing to keep adding plenty for both generations

so for those who think I'm biased for not collecting for XBOX, PS2, Gamecube, XBOX360, & PS3, I just don't see why I should feel like I should have to do it just because "everyone else" is doing it and paying 2 or 3 times as much to do it on those consoles instead of doing it through PC ports... even after spending $1000's on hardware and hardware upgrades, I'm still getting nearly every racing game ever made for any of those systems for 2 or 3 times less paying full price on the day of release... this is how I'm able to continue spending $1000's on games for all the systems that I collect for... so I really don't see why an XBOX360 or a PS3 is a necessary purchase for me, unless one of those systems does what the Wii did and makes a game like Speed Racer a Wii exclusive... then I might need to get one of those systems... so in other words, I don't see it happening anymore than it did for the XBOX & PS2... there were only a handful of exclusives for those systems that I would've liked to own that weren't ported to the PC, so why bother?

my point is that especially in this economy, corporations like Midway need to figure out that most people aren't gonna keep feeding them what they want, if they aren't gonna keep feeding us what we want... I don't buy any video games or systems because I have to, I buy them because I want to... so just because "everyone else" is still doing it, doesn't mean that I have to keep doing it to keep up with them... I can keep up with them cheaply and legally on the PC, so they can play the Piracy Pity Violin for themselves all they want to, obviously it still isn't THAT MUCH of a problem for them, because they're still selling most PC ports of modern console games for ONLY $20 each... so if they're not selling enough at those prices, perhaps they should price them higher, so those that do sell return more money to them... because I'm certainly not gonna stop buying them, as long as they make them... and obviously I'm not the only person buying them, because plenty of new ones are still coming out every year... where there's a seller, there's a buyer... no seller, no buyer... so no PC port = no buyer here... I can't buy what they don't make, and I won't buy what they make for consoles, just because they choose to not port it to the PC... certainly not when I've spent $1000's on hardware to run PC ports... why spend $1000's more on consoles?

CHEAP GAMES GOOD... EXPENSIVE GAMES BAD... PC PORTS FOR THE WIN! this is why WII = WIN... WII = CHEAP... CHEAP = GOOD... EXPENSIVE = BAD

welcome to the new world economy... it's everyone's reality now... enjoy it... I certainly am... it's like the Great Crash all over again... ALL ON CLEARANCE!

:D

[carlcarlson]

So.. if we all go to the Midway boards there won't be any Iron Draggon?

[Bojay1997]

well at least this thread illustrates some of their ignorance pretty well

they deleted my post immediately, instead of letting it stand and letting others comment on it after I was banned for it... to keep their Denial Nirvana forums "happy"... would it have harmed them so much to face reality and let all their posters comment on what I posted? I suspect the thread would've followed a similar course as this one has... but instead, they reinforced my assertion that they're obviously not interested in selling me Wii or PC games

BTW, to the person who asked, their forum rules state that they can edit or remove anything for any reason, or for no reason at all... so it's a fascist board

for those who perceive me whining about being banned, their bans are only temporary, so the fact that I was banned isn't my issue with the matter as much as how and why I was banned and my post was deleted immediately... let's keep Denial Nirvana "happy" by ruling it with an iron fist of censorship, shall we? granted, it is their right to do so on their own forums, but it still smacks of COWARDICE when owners find such methods necessary to them

so in other words, they're AFRAID to make games for the Wii and PC now... and granted they should be afraid, in their situation, but what have they got to lose in doing so till the bitter end? going bankrupt faster? accidentally stumbling on a miraculous mega-hit that turns their profit margins around?

apparently alot of you think that the point of my post was just another bitch session about this or that... and maybe it is for some people, but clearly it's not for others, judging by the comments in this thread so far... it is what you perceive it to be, so I won't defend it much more than to make it clear that I currently do most of my modern gaming on Wii & PC, after having done it on GBA & PC exclusively since the death of the Dreamcast... so the games I know of XBOX, PS2, Gamecube, XBOX360, & PS3 are the games that got ported to the PC... mostly racing games, as that's what I enjoy most now... but I still know of most games for those systems in other genres, as long as they got ported to the PC... the Wii not so much still, as I still don't actually own a Wii yet myself, I just started collecting for it after my parents got one, and I'm still mainly focusing on my retro collecting goals over my modern collecting goals, but managing to keep adding plenty for both generations

so for those who think I'm biased for not collecting for XBOX, PS2, Gamecube, XBOX360, & PS3, I just don't see why I should feel like I should have to do it just because "everyone else" is doing it and paying 2 or 3 times as much to do it on those consoles instead of doing it through PC ports... even after spending $1000's on hardware and hardware upgrades, I'm still getting nearly every racing game ever made for any of those systems for 2 or 3 times less paying full price on the day of release... this is how I'm able to continue spending $1000's on games for all the systems that I collect for... so I really don't see why an XBOX360 or a PS3 is a necessary purchase for me, unless one of those systems does what the Wii did and makes a game like Speed Racer a Wii exclusive... then I might need to get one of those systems... so in other words, I don't see it happening anymore than it did for the XBOX & PS2... there were only a handful of exclusives for those systems that I would've liked to own that weren't ported to the PC, so why bother?

my point is that especially in this economy, corporations like Midway need to figure out that most people aren't gonna keep feeding them what they want, if they aren't gonna keep feeding us what we want... I don't buy any video games or systems because I have to, I buy them because I want to... so just because "everyone else" is still doing it, doesn't mean that I have to keep doing it to keep up with them... I can keep up with them cheaply and legally on the PC, so they can play the Piracy Pity Violin for themselves all they want to, obviously it still isn't THAT MUCH of a problem for them, because they're still selling most PC ports of modern console games for ONLY $20 each... so if they're not selling enough at those prices, perhaps they should price them higher, so those that do sell return more money to them... because I'm certainly not gonna stop buying them, as long as they make them... and obviously I'm not the only person buying them, because plenty of new ones are still coming out every year... where there's a seller, there's a buyer... no seller, no buyer... so no PC port = no buyer here... I can't buy what they don't make, and I won't buy what they make for consoles, just because they choose to not port it to the PC... certainly not when I've spent $1000's on hardware to run PC ports... why spend $1000's more on consoles?

CHEAP GAMES GOOD... EXPENSIVE GAMES BAD... PC PORTS FOR THE WIN! this is why WII = WIN... WII = CHEAP... CHEAP = GOOD... EXPENSIVE = BAD

welcome to the new world economy... it's everyone's reality now... enjoy it... I certainly am... it's like the Great Crash all over again... ALL ON CLEARANCE!

:D

I really think you should maybe seek some professional help. If you looked at the responses you got on this board, everyone agreed that you were the one out of line. Nobody agrees with you. The fact that you don't understand that everyone here is making fun of you is a sign that you aren't able to cope or process reality.

I did get a laugh from your line about them being afraid. Midway isn't afraid, just like all the other third party publishers who don't support Wii or PC aren't afraid. The Wii is a system that makes tons of money on hardware and software sales for Nintendo. The PC doesn't make money for anyone except publishers doing RTS, MMOs or first person shooters. Other companies know that to make money in most game genres, the PS3 and 360 are the market you must go after. Whether you want to admit it or not, most adult gamers are not Wii-only or even PC gamers. Similarly, fighting game fans own PS3 or 360, not the Wii or PC as their primary systems.

You also may not understand this, but whether or not you personally buy a game has very little impact on the bottom line of large developers. You are just a single crack-pot in a market of millions of gamers. Frankly, I think publishers would be best served by avoiding your guidance and preferences.

Contrary to your assertion, it's no more expensive to collect PS3 and Xbox 360 games than it is PC or Wii. PS3 and Xbox 360 games drop to $20 just like PC and Wii games do. If you're talking about brand new games, PC and Wii are usually $10 cheaper than PS3 and 360 games, but with sales and other discounts, the difference is even smaller. Your arguments are false and kinda sad. I wish you luck in life.

[scooterb23]

So.. if we all go to the Midway boards there won't be any Iron Draggon?

You know...you might be on to something there.

[bangtango]

Midway may be stupid about some things but they are smart enough to know that half of the people who'd be interested in PC ports of any of their games (including MK vs DC) don't even have a system powerful enough to play it anyway.

You can spend less money on BOTH a brand new PS2 and a brand new PS3 (with a few games on top of it) than you would on a "current" PC that can actually play recent/new games and all the money sunk into upgrading it periodically and you'll still get a better gaming experience on the PS2 & PS3.

You buy a PC and within a year, you might need to upgrade to play the newest games. The second your PS3 is home and hooked up, you're done upgrading for 4-5 years.

[fishsandwich]

As was said before, Mortal Kombat was previously ported to the original Game Boy of all platforms. Not to mention Game Gear and Sega Master System. Granted, those versions sucked, but if "it would suck" hasn't stopped them before (and Midway has a long history of shitty ports), why should it stop them now? Mortal Kombat Trilogy was even on the Game.com!

Now, now. Porting (if you can even call it that) an original MK game (1-3) down to the GB, SMS/GG, and Game.com was/is far cheaper and requires far less of a team and resources than taking a game meant to play on a 360/PS3 and dumb it down to Wii specs.

Who said the Wii sucks at fighting games??? I played Mortal Kombat: Armageddon on my neighbor's Wii and I thought it only sucked a little bit.

[bangtango]

What was so bad about the first Mortal Kombat for Game Gear anyway and wasn't the Master System version basically the same thing?

A couple characters were missing and so were some of the stages but the game had pretty good graphics for an 8-bit version and had a blood code.

[The 1 2 P]

so in other words, they're AFRAID to make games for the Wii and PC now... and granted they should be afraid, in their situation, but what have they got to lose in doing so till the bitter end? going bankrupt faster?

So theres this developer named Cliffy B who works for Epic. And he has stressed that his company will focus much less on pc ports because of the alarming rate of piracy. Thats why you won't be getting a pc port of Gears or War 2(among other games). And somehow I don't think Cliffy and Epic are scared of the pc.....they're just smart:wink 2:


I really think you should maybe seek some professional help. If you looked at the responses you got on this board, everyone agreed that you were the one out of line. Nobody agrees with you. The fact that you don't understand that everyone here is making fun of you is a sign that you aren't able to cope or process reality.

So theres this river in Egypt called.......

[Sudo]

well at least this thread illustrates some of their ignorance pretty well

they deleted my post immediately, instead of letting it stand and letting others comment on it after I was banned for it... to keep their Denial Nirvana forums "happy"... would it have harmed them so much to face reality and let all their posters comment on what I posted? I suspect the thread would've followed a similar course as this one has... but instead, they reinforced my assertion that they're obviously not interested in selling me Wii or PC games

BTW, to the person who asked, their forum rules state that they can edit or remove anything for any reason, or for no reason at all... so it's a fascist board

for those who perceive me whining about being banned, their bans are only temporary, so the fact that I was banned isn't my issue with the matter as much as how and why I was banned and my post was deleted immediately... let's keep Denial Nirvana "happy" by ruling it with an iron fist of censorship, shall we? granted, it is their right to do so on their own forums, but it still smacks of COWARDICE when owners find such methods necessary to them

so in other words, they're AFRAID to make games for the Wii and PC now... and granted they should be afraid, in their situation, but what have they got to lose in doing so till the bitter end? going bankrupt faster? accidentally stumbling on a miraculous mega-hit that turns their profit margins around?

apparently alot of you think that the point of my post was just another bitch session about this or that... and maybe it is for some people, but clearly it's not for others, judging by the comments in this thread so far... it is what you perceive it to be, so I won't defend it much more than to make it clear that I currently do most of my modern gaming on Wii & PC, after having done it on GBA & PC exclusively since the death of the Dreamcast... so the games I know of XBOX, PS2, Gamecube, XBOX360, & PS3 are the games that got ported to the PC... mostly racing games, as that's what I enjoy most now... but I still know of most games for those systems in other genres, as long as they got ported to the PC... the Wii not so much still, as I still don't actually own a Wii yet myself, I just started collecting for it after my parents got one, and I'm still mainly focusing on my retro collecting goals over my modern collecting goals, but managing to keep adding plenty for both generations

so for those who think I'm biased for not collecting for XBOX, PS2, Gamecube, XBOX360, & PS3, I just don't see why I should feel like I should have to do it just because "everyone else" is doing it and paying 2 or 3 times as much to do it on those consoles instead of doing it through PC ports... even after spending $1000's on hardware and hardware upgrades, I'm still getting nearly every racing game ever made for any of those systems for 2 or 3 times less paying full price on the day of release... this is how I'm able to continue spending $1000's on games for all the systems that I collect for... so I really don't see why an XBOX360 or a PS3 is a necessary purchase for me, unless one of those systems does what the Wii did and makes a game like Speed Racer a Wii exclusive... then I might need to get one of those systems... so in other words, I don't see it happening anymore than it did for the XBOX & PS2... there were only a handful of exclusives for those systems that I would've liked to own that weren't ported to the PC, so why bother?

my point is that especially in this economy, corporations like Midway need to figure out that most people aren't gonna keep feeding them what they want, if they aren't gonna keep feeding us what we want... I don't buy any video games or systems because I have to, I buy them because I want to... so just because "everyone else" is still doing it, doesn't mean that I have to keep doing it to keep up with them... I can keep up with them cheaply and legally on the PC, so they can play the Piracy Pity Violin for themselves all they want to, obviously it still isn't THAT MUCH of a problem for them, because they're still selling most PC ports of modern console games for ONLY $20 each... so if they're not selling enough at those prices, perhaps they should price them higher, so those that do sell return more money to them... because I'm certainly not gonna stop buying them, as long as they make them... and obviously I'm not the only person buying them, because plenty of new ones are still coming out every year... where there's a seller, there's a buyer... no seller, no buyer... so no PC port = no buyer here... I can't buy what they don't make, and I won't buy what they make for consoles, just because they choose to not port it to the PC... certainly not when I've spent $1000's on hardware to run PC ports... why spend $1000's more on consoles?

CHEAP GAMES GOOD... EXPENSIVE GAMES BAD... PC PORTS FOR THE WIN! this is why WII = WIN... WII = CHEAP... CHEAP = GOOD... EXPENSIVE = BAD

welcome to the new world economy... it's everyone's reality now... enjoy it... I certainly am... it's like the Great Crash all over again... ALL ON CLEARANCE!

:D

So, you admit that you are actually the ignorant one here, since the only PS3 and Xbox 360 games you know of are the ones that get ported to PC (ie: a fraction of their total libraries). Just wanted to clear that up.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Flack, your post there was awesome. It brought the lawlz, hard! :) Regarding Flawless Rockality, beware, Activision may be listening. Dollars to donuts that phrase will pop up if you perfect a song in GH4. LOL

[Cinder6]

even after spending $1000's on hardware and hardware upgrades, I'm still getting nearly every racing game ever made for any of those systems for 2 or 3 times less paying full price on the day of release... this is how I'm able to continue spending $1000's on games for all the systems that I collect for...

I fail to see how spending $1000s of dollars on a PC costs less than spending $700 on a PS3 and 360 ($600, if you get the Arcade version). Maybe I'm missing something here. Buying all three consoles will still cost you less than $1000. And if you buy a $1000 PC, you're not going to have a true gaming PC.

This isn't to mention the fact that the PC has far less big games this generation.