RapeLay - Japanese "rape simulator" game

[ScourDX]

I can see Hentai porn slowly coming to State side. Look at few of the games soon to be released by Aksys games Record of Agarest War & Deathsmiles. There are market for this sort of things and believe it or not. After the news announce Rapelay on CNN, torrent site are fill with request for download. So yes it is big.

[TonyTheTiger]

I don't think there's anything specific about the rape genre that makes it attractive to the general marketplace. Even in Japan these things are pretty niche. That's why most of them are low budget. In North America you'd be talking niche of a niche of a niche. RapeLay is big only because of the "Well now I HAVE to see it" factor. When CNN is telling you how bad something is that's going to have the same effect as telling a 4 year old not to push the red button.

[Cryomancer]

There is definately a market for large chunks of the Japanese doujin work / PC software business, both the adult stuff and not. Tons and tons of non-Japanese people download the manga / games released at comiket and stuff. Touhou games are pretty popular on the English-speaking internet for an example. There are blog websites that manage to make cash by charging for hentai doujinshi translations. DLsite has an English page that presumably gets enough cashflow to justify it's existance. Clearly, there is an interest of a certain level for products of that "world". Illusion's games are massively downloaded and hacked and whatnot too. Maybe they wouldn't be so well know here if it wasn't for the piracy and also the media uproar about Rapelay specifically, but they are indeed known.

I don't really know where I'm going with this but as I started writing it more examples came to mind so I just kept rolling with it. tl;dr there is totally a market for Japanese content in America.

[TonyTheTiger]

If you want to say there's a market somewhere for something then I'd agree in the vaguest sense. But I'm not sure there's much of a correlation between these things being pirated or exchanged among like-minded people and how well they'd perform on the mainstream market. Shit, everything is pirated to hell these days.

Quirky Japanese stuff is still quirky Japanese stuff. Rosenqueen still can't sell a mere 2,000 copies of Mana Khemia 2's special edition and that's been sitting on the website for months. Add rape or lolicon to the mix and you raise the squick factor which lowers mass market appeal. If somebody put out RapeMaster Fantasy 20X6 on a GameStop shelf (assuming for a moment GS would allow it) it probably won't sell through more than 10,000 copies which I think is roughly the minimum print run for current gen games. I wouldn't necessarily call that "successful." I'd call it what it is. Very, very niche. It wouldn't be until CNN picks up on the story and everybody rants and raves about the game that people think "Holy shit, I have to see what this ruckus is about."

[JSoup]

I skipped over it? Really? Did I?

Yes.

And your current strategy isn't going to work either.

[Berserker]

Yes.

And your current strategy isn't going to work either.

As long as you keep reacting to her outlandish remarks and paying attention to her, the strategy is working.

[JSoup]

As long as you keep reacting to her outlandish remarks and paying attention to her, the strategy is working.

Maybe, I know this is crazy, but just maybe, that's the point. You've gotta realize, we are having a serious discussion here, not just flippantly having fun in a thread that has long outlived it's purpose.

Never that. Always serious. Always.

[Mimi Nakamura]

As long as you keep reacting to her outlandish remarks and paying attention to her, the strategy is working.

You just completely destroyed the thread.

[Berserker]

You just completely destroyed the thread.

I highly doubt that. But if I've destroyed your motivation for posting here, please allow me to use this image to express my deep, heartfelt level of regret:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/natev/high_five.jpg

[Mimi Nakamura]

Yawn.

[E Nice]

I can see Hentai porn slowly coming to State side. Look at few of the games soon to be released by Aksys games Record of Agarest War & Deathsmiles. There are market for this sort of things and believe it or not.

I kinda get Record of Agarest War, though I kinda wonder why Guilty Gear wasn't mentioned, I-No anyone? But Deathsmiles? I've seen the dual endings for each character but outside of one simple bath scene I don't see how the game could be lumped in as a stepping stone for hentai porn. Duke Nukem 3D and The Saboteur are perhaps more blatant than any of those titles.


Illusion's games are massively downloaded and hacked and whatnot too. Maybe they wouldn't be so well know here if it wasn't for the piracy and also the media uproar about Rapelay specifically, but they are indeed known.

I would guess they're hacked because Illusion began programming their PC games to not work outside Japanese computer operating systems. Who knows what their reason is for that. Though you have to admit some of the 3D games they've produced do look pretty. How they play might be a different matter.

[Cryomancer]

Well, the most obvious hacks that get done for hgames are uncensor hacks, due to the whole "must pixelate the crotch" rules. The Japanese mode stuff doesn't help either, yeah.

[somesortofrobot]

I'm not in favor of government bans or anything of that sort but I do think that some games are just creatively irresponsible.

Second.

[HappehLemons]

What a silly game everyone knows asian girls have tiny boobs and no ass. This anime stuff is so stupid they always try so hard to make their asian girls look attractive and fail miserably.

[TonyTheTiger]

What a silly game everyone knows asian girls have tiny boobs and no ass. This anime stuff is so stupid they always try so hard to make their asian girls look attractive and fail miserably.

You're saying Asian girls are ugly?

Dude...

Epic Fail.

[ClassicGameTrader]

I have always thought Asian chicks are at the bottom of the list of races as far as looks go. The percentage of hot ones compared to overall population has to be like .0000125%. No offense to anyone, but they are few and far between.


You're saying Asian girls are ugly?

Dude...

Epic Fail.

[k8track]

I have always thought Asian chicks are at the bottom of the list of races as far as looks go. The percentage of hot ones compared to overall population has to be like .0000125%. No offense to anyone, but they are few and far between.
No offense to anyone? I'd say you managed to offend tons of people. Asian women are at the TOP of the list, and you are blind.

Epic, epic, EPIC fail.

[Aussie2B]

Wow, this topic has sunk to a new low.

You know, guys, yellow fever is just as pathetic as those who would rule out all Asian women. Instead of spouting negative generalizations or putting one race up on a pedestal in some fetish, how about, you know, just appreciating an attractive woman when you see one, regardless of race?

[HappehLemons]

Everyone has different taste in women you know. Most people have a preference in race when looking for a significant other and there's nothing wrong with that. People can appreciate beauty without someone telling them who's pretty and who's not since it's well.. what helps make us all individual.

[k8track]

Wow, this topic has sunk to a new low.

You know, guys, yellow fever is just as pathetic as those who would rule out all Asian women... putting one race up on a pedestal in some fetish
And thank you for that warm fuzzy, Aussie2B. Just for the record, my fiancée is Japanese, and I have a rather negative reaction when I see an extremely rude and foolish comment such as the one I responded to. If you think that makes me a pathetic person with a "fetish", then fine, I am the most pathetic person ever. Thanks again. /golf clap

[Aussie2B]

I can understand the offense taken over such comments, but it doesn't help to swing to the opposite extreme. To say that Asian women are "at the top of the list" is offensive to non-Asian women and does make you appear to have some fetish, whether you do or not, and while everyone is entitled to their preferences, saying that someone is "blind" if they don't agree with your preferences means you're stating your preference as fact, which is rude to those who have different preferences and, again, rude to women who aren't the "factually" superior race in terms of appearance.

So, again I say everyone would be better off looking at individuals rather than propping up or putting down an entire race.

[Baloo]

Wow, this topic has sunk to a new low.

You know, guys, yellow fever is just as pathetic as those who would rule out all Asian women. Instead of spouting negative generalizations or putting one race up on a pedestal in some fetish, how about, you know, just appreciating an attractive woman when you see one, regardless of race?

This right here. The Asian fetish is ridiculous IMO. k8track, your opinion is biased anyway due to your fiancee being Japanese.

[c0ldb33r]

At one point I had a thing for Asian chicks, but now don't really care.

BTW, this thread should probably be locked, it's totally off-topic now.

[k8track]

This right here. The Asian fetish is ridiculous IMO. k8track, your opinion is biased anyway due to your fiancee being Japanese.
No kidding, I'm totally biased. Of course, when I made mention of being at the top of the list, I was really thinking of her (when it comes to my fiancée, I really do put her on a pedestal). I don't really think one entire race is more beautiful or superior to another entire race, but I do think you're being willfully blind (and rude) if you assert that "Asian chicks are at the bottom of the list of races as far as looks go".

I can concede that my initial response was hyperbolic and reactionary, but the cumulative effect of the cluelessness and ignorance of CGT's post, and the subsequent (typically) abrasive response from Aussie2B asserting that I am a "pathetic" person with a "fetish" and "yellow fever" has left me really quite ruffled.

[JSoup]

I can concede that my initial response was hyperbolic and reactionary, but the cumulative effect of the cluelessness and ignorance of CGT's post, and the subsequent (typically) abrasive response from Aussie2B asserting that I am a "pathetic" person with a "fetish" and "yellow fever" has left me really quite ruffled.

Isn't a fetish for Japanese women called being a 'rice king'? Cause I always thought 'yellow fever' was associated with an interest in Chinese women.

[k8track]

Isn't a fetish for Japanese women called being a 'rice king'? Cause I always thought 'yellow fever' was associated with an interest in Chinese women.
I'm more of a Rice Viscount, I think.

[Mimi Nakamura]

I have always thought Asian chicks are at the bottom of the list of races as far as looks go. The percentage of hot ones compared to overall population has to be like .0000125%. No offense to anyone, but they are few and far between.

Yeah, you wouldn't believe how ugly I am. I can barely look at myself in the mirror. It's such a shame that I'm Japanese, as it has given me next to no hope of being good-looking.

[JSoup]

Yeah, you wouldn't believe how ugly I am. I can barely look at myself in the mirror. It's such a shame that I'm Japanese, as it has given me next to no hope of being good-looking.

Plus, as previously established, your men have small penises. Your race just can't get a break.

[ScourDX]

Yeah, you wouldn't believe how ugly I am. I can barely look at myself in the mirror. It's such a shame that I'm Japanese, as it has given me next to no hope of being good-looking.

Yet you post your own fetish hand. :-P

[Mimi Nakamura]

Yet you post your own fetish hand. :-P

I don't get it. What is a "fetish hand". Please remember English is not my mother tongue. I understand the words "fetish" and "hand" but this makes no sense to me. I'm not being sarcastic this time.

[ScourDX]

I don't get it. What is a "fetish hand". Please remember English is not my mother tongue. I understand the words "fetish" and "hand" but this makes no sense to me. I'm not being sarcastic this time.

I guess you don't remember this (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136362&page=2) post. ;)

[Mimi Nakamura]

I guess you don't remember this (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136362&page=2) post. ;)

It's a hand. Just a hand. Calm down, breathe deeply. Relax.

If a hand gets you that excited, I'd hate to think what would happen if you ever came into contact with a body.

[ScourDX]

It's a hand. Just a hand. Calm down, breathe deeply. Relax.

If a hand gets you that excited, I'd hate to think what would happen if you ever came into contact with a body.

I am being sarcastic. Generally speaking people get turned on by many different things. Sometimes weird things. I am not surprise Japanese culture will try to explore their own ways to express their sexual fantasy. Even Japanese are turn on by nun. What is with that?

link (http://kotaku.com/5513209/whats-with-the-nuns-japan)

[Famidrive-16]

nun fetish has been around forever, i don't know how it became a "lol japan!1" thing all of a sudden

edit: after reading that thread about the hand i find it comforting that some of digitpress is way more pathetic than i am

[Aussie2B]

the subsequent (typically) abrasive response from Aussie2B asserting that I am a "pathetic" person with a "fetish" and "yellow fever" has left me really quite ruffled.

Typical? I've been abrasive to you before? I've always thought I'm quite mellow around here, avoiding the majority of heated topics and trying to not be instigative that often since I'm more interested in just enjoying the good vibes of learning and sharing game knowledge. I honestly wasn't trying to single out any particular person to make accusations of him being pathetic or having a fetish for Asian women. When I wrote about about the topic sinking to a new low, I meant from the point at which HappehLemons started making negative generalizations about all Asian women, and I didn't want to see it swing in either direction (bashing all Asian women or talk of Asian women being more attractive than all other races). I guess you could say I was trying to be more preemptive in terms of the direction of the conversation than attempting to chastise those that had already posted.

[TheDomesticInstitution]

I was always under the impression that Yellow Fever was a viral infection transmitted by mosquitoes, that primarily occurs in Africa (and never Asia). Hmm... I guess I need to read up on my infectious diseases.

[Baloo]

I was always under the impression that Yellow Fever was a viral infection transmitted by mosquitoes, that primarily occurs in Africa (and never Asia). Hmm... I guess I need to read up on my infectious diseases.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yellow%20fever

[boatofcar]

Wow, this topic has sunk to a new low.

You know, guys, yellow fever is just as pathetic as those who would rule out all Asian women.

No. No, it's not. Being physically attracted to a person based on physical features determined by race is not pathetic. Ruling out said specific class of women is.

Why is it always Western girls that have such a problem with "yellow fever?" Oh, I know.

[Zap!]

In my opinion, whatever your attracted to or not attracted to perfectly ok. If you are attracted to Asian woman, women with blue eyes, very thin women, etc., that is fine. Likewise, if you are not attracted to these types of women, that is also fine. You can't help who you are or aren't attracted to.

[Baloo]

In my opinion, whatever your attracted to or not attracted to perfectly ok. If you are attracted to Asian woman, women with blue eyes, very thin women, etc., that is fine. Likewise, if you are not attracted to these types of women, that is also fine. You can't help who you are or aren't attracted to.

Yeah, but that doesn't really give you the right to say things like:

"Oh you don't like X type of women? You must be fucking crazy!"

OR

"Oh, you like X type of women? You must be fucking crazy!"

Because really, it's all a matter of opinion as you said. And to rank one type of women over the other because of YOUR personal preference may as well be considered racism.

[kedawa]

I only like left-handed lesbian eskimo albinos.

[Zap!]

Yeah, but that doesn't really give you the right to say things like:

"Oh you don't like X type of women? You must be fucking crazy!"

OR

"Oh, you like X type of women? You must be fucking crazy!"

Because really, it's all a matter of opinion as you said. And to rank one type of women over the other because of YOUR personal preference may as well be considered racism.

I would call it racism only if you put others down for their preference, or if it bothers you to see one race/nationality with another.

However, if you happen to think Brazilian women are better looking than other women, I would be ok with at, as it's your attraction. However, if you are bothered by someone else who is Irish dating a Brazilian woman, then that's not ok. Just my .02.

[JSoup]

I only like left-handed lesbian eskimo albinos.

You too!?

[k8track]

Yeah, but that doesn't really give you the right to say things like:

"Oh you don't like X type of women? You must be fucking crazy!"
Again, just to clarify my own personal position, in my haste and zeal to counter the negative sentiment of the post I was responding to, I overstated my opinion. It was meant more in the spirit of, "Hey, Asian women are awesome, don't be rude." Having a Japanese fiancée and living here in Korea has admittedly made me a bit more Asian-centric, but of course nowhere near the point of totally disregarding all other ethnicities.

And in the spirit of getting the original topic back on track, I am announcing that I will soon begin work on a text version of RapeLay for TI Basic, available on cassette.

[Famidrive-16]

Rapelay - Genesis repro cart - R8

[mastamuzz]

Back to the topic of the rape game, cause reading the last 2 pages was soooo boring and offensive more than the rape game itself! racist people here after all!

I like violent games!
why? because I am violent!
yes I am! I don't go around looking for trouble but I know I am violent and I try to step away of anything that can lead me into a violent situation, and in some way playing violent games ease my violent behavior in a way is like getting your doze of violence a day, it is like an inverse therapy in a way of speaking.

maybe for those inclined to the sexual needs this games ease their needs! who knows maybe!!

and again with the stereo types some guys in the thread said that there is a line and some of you really crossed that line this time with your racism! American people tend to see others the way they like or think it is like the Mexican gardener or illegal worker, the taxi driver (7/11 attendant) Hindu, the dry cleaner Chinese and so on but you can't get a blow cause you get mad!

you generalize on a whole nation because of your narrow view! and stupidly answer is just a joke!!

[boatofcar]

Back to the topic of the rape game, cause reading the last 2 pages was soooo boring and offensive more than the rape game itself! racist people here after all!

I like violent games!
why? because I am violent!
yes I am! I don't go around looking for trouble but I know I am violent and I try to step away of anything that can lead me into a violent situation, and in some way playing violent games ease my violent behavior in a way is like getting your doze of violence a day, it is like an inverse therapy in a way of speaking.

maybe for those inclined to the sexual needs this games ease their needs! who knows maybe!!

and again with the stereo types some guys in the thread said that there is a line and some of you really crossed that line this time with your racism! American people tend to see others the way they like or think it is like the Mexican gardener or illegal worker, the taxi driver (7/11 attendant) Hindu, the dry cleaner Chinese and so on but you can't get a blow cause you get mad!

you generalize on a whole nation because of your narrow view! and stupidly answer is just a joke!!

What is amazing to me is you edited that for clarity and it still appears as it is.

[Aussie2B]

Why is it always Western girls that have such a problem with "yellow fever?" Oh, I know.

Just for the record, I'd feel exactly the same about, say, black guys who only go after white women, or white women that only go after black guys. It's not like it's an "only if I'm not excluded" kind of deal. Like I said, I think everyone is entitled to their preferences, but when they state their preferences as fact and start going on about one particular race being physically superior, it gets annoying, if not offensive. I mean, heck, I have my own preferences. I'm usually most interested in Italian or Greek guys, but I know that everybody appreciates different qualities so I'd never present my preferences as fact or fail to realize that all races are equal in terms of attractiveness, even if some attractive individuals may not do much for me personally.

And maybe it's just me, but when a preference gets elevated to a fetish, whether for race, feet, or anything else, I think that's pretty dumb, but whatever floats people's boats, as long as it's legal and healthy. I just don't get that stuff considering I have no fetishes myself.

[The 1 2 P]

Based on all this free press the makers of Rapelay should make a mainstream sequel. And if the game is going to go mainstream they might as well release it as a Wii exclusive. I can hear it now: "Now coming exclusively to the Wii: Wii Rape. Because it's not about you raping or me raping. It's about Wii raping". It would probably fly in Japan.

[SegaAges]

Now what is this about a fetish hand?

I think I have a fetish hand as well. Oh man does it do some sick and twisted things.

[JSoup]

I just don't get that stuff considering I have no fetishes myself.

That's psychologically impossible.

[Zap!]

That's psychologically impossible.

Doesn't a fetish has to be considered something uncommon? For example, I don't believe liking big boobs would be considered a fetish. However, being obsessed with feet would be.

[JSoup]

Doesn't a fetish has to be considered something uncommon? For example, I don't believe liking big boobs would be considered a fetish. However, being obsessed with feet would be.

It being uncommon is a bit of a misnomer, as it's only the strange things you hear about. A sexual fetish can be to anything, even if it's just a fetish for sex in of itself.

Also, I'd hardly consider feet to be an uncommon fetish, as it's the single most common fetish in men.

[Cryomancer]

Sexualizing breasts is a fetish too, it pretty much doesn't exist in "topless" cultures such as tribal people etc.

[Icarus Moonsight]

All your fetish are belong to us

Except feet... You can keep that one. Duality of the issue, fetish/revulsion.

[HappehLemons]

Doesn't a fetish has to be considered something uncommon? For example, I don't believe liking big boobs would be considered a fetish. However, being obsessed with feet would be.

I agree. A fetish definitely almost always refers to something uncommon despite what the technical definition is.



It being uncommon is a bit of a misnomer, as it's only the strange things you hear about. A sexual fetish can be to anything, even if it's just a fetish for sex in of itself.

Also, I'd hardly consider feet to be an uncommon fetish, as it's the single most common fetish in men.

I don't think the constant desire to have sex is a fetish because that would be considered an attraction to genitalia and for something to be a fetish it has to be nongenital.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Think you are confusing fetish and taboo. There are 'normal' fetishes and taboo ones, but those distinctions are purely cultural in context, specifically cultural norms - within them or outside of them. Personally, I think culture is all bullshit as far as behavior goes.

[Mimi Nakamura]

I don't think the constant desire to have sex is a fetish because that would be considered an attraction to genitalia and for something to be a fetish it has to be nongenital.

Sex for you is an attraction to genitalia? You've got a lot to learn about sex...

[JSoup]

Sex for you is an attraction to genitalia? You've got a lot to learn about sex...

Which was my point (although, you could argue that I was speaking more of 'sex addiction' than 'sex fetish'). It's similar to a person who has a rape fetish, it's not about the sex, it's about the action and a few other things.

[Zap!]

Think you are confusing fetish and taboo. There are 'normal' fetishes and taboo ones, but those distinctions are purely cultural in context, specifically cultural norms - within them or outside of them. Personally, I think culture is all bullshit as far as behavior goes.

Well in that case I have a vagina fetish. :)

[Icarus Moonsight]

Poon hound is the street form I believe...

http://silentremembrance.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/edward.jpg

[DonMarco]

Based on all this free press the makers of Rapelay should make a mainstream sequel.
There are more than a few eroge properties that toned down their content and went mainstream. Kanon is one I can think of that went on to have a rather tame anime OVA, manga and cds.

Air, BALDR Force, Comic Party, Fate/stay Night, Nanatsuiro Drops, Popotan, Raimuiro Senkitan, To Heart, Tsukihime, Triangle Heart (Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha), Utawarerumono...

I'm thinking a RapeLay anime would be pretty sweet. About a group of high schoolers being stalked by a mystery guy, which turns out to be a time traveler and gives them magical powers and costumes (with sexy results). Rest of game would revolve around finding magical gem stones (with sexy results) to defeat the anti-magical girls from the future that happen to work at a 24-hour news network (with sexy results).

[Aussie2B]

I don't know how technically correct it would be, but I've always regarded a fetish by the extent of obsession one has with something. Or, rather, what level of rejection one would have for things that don't meet that interest. Most guys in Western culture like big breasts, but that's just a preference in my book. However, if there's a guy that flat out wouldn't be with a woman with smaller breasts no matter how smokin' hot she is in every other way and no matter how awesome her personality is, then I'd call that a breast fetish, and in my personal opinion it would be foolish. Granted, I don't think it has to be that extreme to be a fetish. I think someone could make rare exceptions and still have a fetish, but it's hard to put into words the exact point in which a preference turns into a fetish.

Heh, I'm glad to see this topic is getting back to some intellectual discussion, even if it's as silly as "what is or isn't a fetish". :P Really, this topic was doomed from the start, haha.

[Graham Mitchell]

I don't know how technically correct it would be, but I've always regarded a fetish by the extent of obsession one has with something. Or, rather, what level of rejection one would have for things that don't meet that interest. Most guys in Western culture like big breasts, but that's just a preference in my book. However, if there's a guy that flat out wouldn't be with a woman with smaller breasts no matter how smokin' hot she is in every other way and no matter how awesome her personality is, then I'd call that a breast fetish, and in my personal opinion it would be foolish. Granted, I don't think it has to be that extreme to be a fetish. I think someone could make rare exceptions and still have a fetish, but it's hard to put into words the exact point in which a preference turns into a fetish.

Heh, I'm glad to see this topic is getting back to some intellectual discussion, even if it's as silly as "what is or isn't a fetish". :P Really, this topic was doomed from the start, haha.

What the DSM-IV considers a fetish is a sexual attraction/preoccupation with either an inanimate object (ie-women's undergarments) or a part of the human body not generally considered erotic (such as a foot). Sexual arousal can ONLY occur in these people in the presence of or context of this object or body part. So if a person likes feet but likes to fuck in the more conventional sense, that's not a fetish.

A common psych boards question is "What is the most common crime committed by individuals with a diagnosis of fetishism?" The answer is always "theft", because the perverts commonly steal panties and bras off of clothes lines.

[Zap!]

A common psych boards question is "What is the most common crime committed by individuals with a diagnosis of fetishism?" The answer is always "theft", because the perverts commonly steal panties and bras off of clothes lines.

But wouldn't those with a thong fetish rather steal thongs that are used in a hamper, rather than washed and cleaned? Or am I confusing collectors with sniffers?

[TonyTheTiger]

This thread just took a hard turn toward weird. And considering it started with a discussion about a rape fantasy game, that's saying a lot.

[JSoup]

Sexual arousal can ONLY occur in these people in the presence of or context of this object or body part. So if a person likes feet but likes to fuck in the more conventional sense, that's not a fetish.


Interesting, I didn't know that.

As I'd like to read more about this, might I ask for your source?

[Mimi Nakamura]

A common psych boards question is "What is the most common crime committed by individuals with a diagnosis of fetishism?" The answer is always "theft", because the perverts commonly steal panties and bras off of clothes lines.

This happened to me quite a few times at my old apartment. I resorted to drying my more expensive underwear indoors as it had become quite an expensive inconvenience!

[Icarus Moonsight]

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/IHateAds/UnderpantsGnomes.png

[Graham Mitchell]

Interesting, I didn't know that.

As I'd like to read more about this, might I ask for your source?

The DSM-IV; Diagnostic and Statiscal Manual for Psychiatric Disorders, 4th edition Text Revision, published by the American Psychiatric Society.

The DSM-IV is the bible of psychiatric diagnosis. I'm a 3rd-year (soon to be 4th year) psych resident at LAC+USC so I'm fully of random disgusting facts like that.

The whole chapter on sexual disorders is super fascinating. I think I'm the only person in my class who read it because we really don't see any patients with any of these disorders...most of them go to jail if they're poor or get private sex therapists if they're rich. But darn if it isn't fascinating.

The thing about the DSM-IV is that it functions like a rigid checklist. "If they have this and this and this, but don't have this, then it's not bipolar." It's a bit ridiculous because there's so much variation among people that a clinician has to take all the factors into account and not rely solely on this stupid book.

The whole reason I'm mentioning that is because the definition of fetishes that I gave is the MEDICAL definition. The porn world has an entirely different definition, which is much looser. But I thought it would be interesting to contribute the de-facto medical definition to the thread.

@Zap!: You've got a point there. But I don't think everybody who steals panties wants to sniff them. Some men want to WEAR them (as in transvestic fetishism) but are too embarrassed to buy them.

@Mimi: Never use a clothsline to dry your undies in a public building. Nuff said. ;)

[HappehLemons]

Sex for you is an attraction to genitalia? You've got a lot to learn about sex...

I said considered, but the act of sex is mainly stimulated by genitalia (by that it mean its where all the good feelings comes from, mimi). I was trying to explain that I don't think sex is a fetish because the pleasure of sex (Normal sex that is) comes from the genitalia and not any other type of outside source and since fetishes are "attraction" to non genitalia that would exclude it. But this is just how I'm interpreting everything.

Good job missing my point though, but I'm not surprised to be honest since you have a reputation for not understanding much.


Think you are confusing fetish and taboo. There are 'normal' fetishes and taboo ones, but those distinctions are purely cultural in context, specifically cultural norms - within them or outside of them. Personally, I think culture is all bullshit as far as behavior goes.

Probably, I always was under the impression that for something to be a fetish it had to be somewhat abnormal but looks like I'm wrong.




What the DSM-IV considers a fetish is a sexual attraction/preoccupation with either an inanimate object (ie-women's undergarments) or a part of the human body not generally considered erotic (such as a foot). Sexual arousal can ONLY occur in these people in the presence of or context of this object or body part. So if a person likes feet but likes to fuck in the more conventional sense, that's not a fetish.

A common psych boards question is "What is the most common crime committed by individuals with a diagnosis of fetishism?" The answer is always "theft", because the perverts commonly steal panties and bras off of clothes lines.

That just doesn't sound right to me. So lets say someone likes to get footf*cked, and it's one of the most incredible things for that person.. but he can still have sex without feet involved (but doesn't get turned on nearly as much, but still gets turned on) he doesn't have a fetish?

[Mimi Nakamura]

I said considered, but the act of sex is mainly stimulated by genitalia (by that it mean its where all the good feelings comes from, mimi). I was trying to explain that I don't think sex is a fetish because the pleasure of sex (Normal sex that is) comes from the genitalia and not any other type of outside source and since fetishes are "attraction" to non genitalia that would exclude it. But this is just how I'm interpreting everything.

Good job missing my point though, but I'm not surprised to be honest since you have a reputation for not understanding much.

You're obviously not very experienced as you have next to no understanding of women. For us, sex is not purely physical, it's also a mental experience. In fact, I would say it's 50% physical, 50% mental. If sex was a purely physical experience, women would be quite happy with vibrators / sex toys, and sexual fetishes such as the ones mentioned in this thread wouldn't exist.

The "good feeling" isn't just a physical sensation, to say it doesn't come from "any other type of outside source" is an uneducated statement.

No doubt, you'll tell me how "I'm missing the point" again in your next response.

[kedawa]

Even if it were entirely physical, there are erogenous zones beyond just reproductive organs.

[Graham Mitchell]

That just doesn't sound right to me. So lets say someone likes to get footf*cked, and it's one of the most incredible things for that person.. but he can still have sex without feet involved (but doesn't get turned on nearly as much, but still gets turned on) he doesn't have a fetish?

Well, like I said, it's up to the clinician to take all those factors into account.

One of the things I didn't mention is that for fetishism to be considered a DISORDER it has to cause significant problems in social, occupational, or educational functioning. That's the medical definition.

I think a person probably can have a fetish in the situation you described but the DSM-IV won't recognize it (and insurance companies won't cover it ;) ) if the person can have sex by normal means.

Personally, I think some things in the DSM-IV are ridiculous and in some cases, it has as much validity as a grocery store romance novel. I've even gotten in serious trouble in residency for making "demeaning comments" about the DSM-IV in residency during case presentations. (I think the guy who got mad at me was on the DSM-IV drafting committee or something.)

[HappehLemons]

You're obviously not very experienced as you have next to no understanding of women. For us, sex is not purely physical, it's also a mental experience. In fact, I would say it's 50% physical, 50% mental. If sex was a purely physical experience, women would be quite happy with vibrators / sex toys, and sexual fetishes such as the ones mentioned in this thread wouldn't exist.

The "good feeling" isn't just a physical sensation, to say it doesn't come from "any other type of outside source" is an uneducated statement.

No doubt, you'll tell me how "I'm missing the point" again in your next response.

You're right, because understanding the female anatomy directly relates to how much experience you have with women. Seems like every post you make responding to something I said is stab at me. You're not really missing my point I just don't know how to explain my reasoning to why I don't think sex is a fetish very well. I'm well aware of how physical and mental stimulation of sex play a part for women but I don't think you're trying to explain or have a conversation about anything in your posts.


Even if it were entirely physical, there are erogenous zones beyond just reproductive organs.

That's true. As I said above my reasoning is pretty flawed. But I still don't think sex itself is a fetish.