SquareEnix kills Chrono Trigger Fangame at 98% completion [Archive] - Page 2

Kitsune Sniper

05-15-2009, 01:40 PM

There's something that hasn't happened yet (from what I know of at least) that surprises me, there's a group out there that released a mod that updates some of the graphics on the PC version of Final Fantasy 7 and SE never sent them a C&D letter. You'd think that would be the first thing to get one since FF7 is their cash cow and they're not even close to milking it to death.

That patch was released -ages ago-, and I don't think Squeenix (or Square at the time) really bothered going after hackers in those days.

There's also things like the FF5 translation, retranslations of others, etc. They just seem to be doing this with CT.

The older retranslations are pretty old, and well, who would they go after? Many of those people have already moved on or aren't even doing this anymore.

TonyTheTiger

05-15-2009, 01:42 PM

There's also things like the FF5 translation, retranslations of others, etc. They just seem to be doing this with CT.

Fan translations seem to get a pass. RPGOne's retranslation of FFVI was actually mentioned (albeit indirectly) in the GBA version of the game. One controversy surrounding the retranslation was that the translator, Sky Render, insisted on spelling Kefka's name as "Cefca" because of some random Japanese artbook or action figure or something that spelled it that way despite it being awkward in English. In FFVI GBA, one NPC had a line like "There's a cult out there that insists on spelling Kefka's name with Cs." So maybe Square Enix gives some deference to fan translations because it makes their job easier should they ever want to translate something. But I really can't be sure.

Or maybe Square Enix as a company didn't know about the retranslation but the translator did.

As for this being a hoax, maybe. But if it is then it sounds like a stupidly complex hoax. Stringing people along, making essentially fake videos...if somebody were willing to go through that much trouble they would likely just do the thing for real. I think the more likely scenario is that Square Enix picks and chooses where to send the C&D letters based on how "big" the project is. Chrono Trigger Resurrection was huge. And this one looked pretty nice, too. It just so happens that the biggest projects are CT projects so it appears CT gets treated differently just by coincidence.

Jorpho

05-15-2009, 03:01 PM

I can think of at least two CT projects that have been shut down by C&Ds before - Chrono Trigger 64 and that other 3D one from a few years ago. (That was a C&D, wasn't it? I can't quite recall.)

Matt-El

05-15-2009, 05:48 PM

It probably would have been more profitable had SE just paid the developers 150,000 for the game, put it on to a ds cart, and make that Jerry O'Connell money.

kedawa

05-16-2009, 04:46 PM

They can backtrack the owner of the site by going after the host, and get the guy's billing info that way. And work their way up from there.

It's not as simple as "ZOMG RELEASE IT NOW".

It really is that simple, actually.
There's no need to even host the rom/patch on a website.
All you need to do is give the file to the right people and it'll make its way around the internet all on its own.

skaar

05-30-2009, 03:22 PM

It's been posted on UG...

Don't ask me whats not complete about it, i don't know. Here it is though, the game the S-E tried to stop from happening.

Good luck to those involved i hope the leak doesn't bring down the FURY.:lol:

Hopefully some dipshit didn't just screw someone over. Poster's name was JenadaeX

Jorpho

05-30-2009, 03:47 PM

It's been posted on UG...Ug?

I'd read elsewhere that someone was posting a complete playthrough, which would have been a dreadful tease.

Ironically this whole business has probably done much more to publicize this hack than anyone could have done otherwise. (I don't see anyone posting about that spiffy new Breath of Fire 2 retranslation.)

Daria

05-30-2009, 03:55 PM

What's UG?

kupomogli

05-30-2009, 04:40 PM

It's been posted on UG...

Hopefully some dipshit didn't just screw someone over. Poster's name was JenadaeX

Link? I would like to download it.

skaar

05-30-2009, 05:17 PM

underground-gamer

Sorry I heard about it through here so I assumed people here knew about it.

Neat site. I got most of my old Sierra stuff back off them recenty :D

kupomogli

05-30-2009, 05:58 PM

Well. I couldn't join the site since it's invite only as they have too many members. It's extremely easy to find on Google though.

Anyways. If you go to Youtube there's a playthrough of it if you don't want to download it. Supposedly it's not the 98% complete version though.

Daria

05-30-2009, 06:51 PM

Well. I couldn't join the site since it's invite only as they have too many members. It's extremely easy to find on Google though.

Weird. I was able to register fine.

ProgrammingAce

05-30-2009, 06:55 PM

that's not going to win them any friends with squeenix...

Daria

05-30-2009, 07:05 PM

http://www.chronocompendium.com/

Sorry, Chrono Trigger fans. Here's to hoping that SquareEnix is actually doing something with their IP.

This website's just sad now. They're reporting community drama as "news". The game's canned, does anyone really care if some faceless strangers on the internets think it was all a hoax?

TonyTheTiger

05-31-2009, 12:24 PM

This is going to be interesting. Square Enix threatened legal action if the game ever got out, right? Well, if the company takes action it'll be a waste because it won't really do them much good and also they might not even win. But if they don't follow through then that could send the message that a Square Enix Cease & Desist letter is just an idle threat.

Cryomancer

05-31-2009, 01:55 PM

So, has anyone actually played it? You will probably have to grind the literal first regular battle in the game for awhile, until Magus can handle two beasts at a time on his own. His shield spell helps and all, but at level 1...yeah. Once you can get past the first two areas, you will get a full party and the balance becomes better. It still seems like it is skirting the "hard because romhacks have to be hard for hard's sake" sort of mentality, but perhaps that's one of the things unfinished with the game. Doesn't even bother to explain why everyone is level 1 and have lost all their prism helms and whatnot but hey. I've played a few hours into it so far and it actually isn't too bad, not super fanfictiony yet. There lots of weird graphical errors and people with placeholder text and whatnot, but the version that is out is supposedly from february and isn't neccesarily the "98%" complete version, let alone a final. I did encounter a bug that made me lose a bunch of progress and I've not gotten back to it since, so make sure you save pretty much before going into any new area just in case of stuff like that.

kupomogli

05-31-2009, 02:59 PM

I'm replaying Chrono Trigger, then I'll play Prophet's Guile, then Crimson Echoes. I'm going to get all the secrets and sidequests to each game or atleast all of them that I can find(which will be every one of them on Chrono Trigger, probably not all of them on the others.)

Cryomancer

05-31-2009, 08:39 PM

Yeah, I'm sure I'm missing lots of stuff playing this. I've encountered a couple of "make a choice" segments too that I wonder how much they actually effect things. But hey, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that they probably let newgame+ be an option, so i'll try different stuff next time maybe.

Also, I have went ahead and started cheating lightly. I've given several characters 999 HP, but not infinate HP. I'm still dying pretty well, since the enemies seem to all have like 750+ HP and come in groups. I also gave Marle ** stamina stat so she could have high defense because no I am not going to play a solo low-level Marle segment legitimately.

badinsults

05-31-2009, 11:58 PM

I played the hack and gave some impressions (http://www.snescentral.com/article.php?id=0902) on my website.

Really, it is not worth playing the leaked hack. There are many glitches, and the enemies are too hard. Considering the amount of grinding required to proceed through the game, you are better off watching the playthrough videos they are making on youtube.

Cryomancer

06-01-2009, 10:03 AM

Alright, I've hit the worst thing I've encountered so far. There's a part where it locks glenn as the main player, and only allows you to take one other person with you. I've done (i think...) all the quest that should be neccesary for that, but it still won't unlock the first or third character slot. Problem is, I appear to need Nadia/Marle in the first character slot to trigger the next event. Anyone other than me get to the part where you have to place the masamune in the dark ages? it's right after that.

I tried going back to the middle ages as it suggested, but the game froze on me when I talked to Leene. I guess I'll try that again, there's been a couple random freezes that didn't happen a second time, so maybe that's all I need to do. here's hoping.

Anyway, make savestates often, obviously.

TonyTheTiger

06-01-2009, 01:17 PM

I'm about 4 hours in and have gotten stuck, literally, a couple of times. Luckily all the Game Genie codes still work so I just popped in the walk through walls code and managed to fix myself. It also didn't take long to realize that the only way to make the game tolerable is to cheat my way through the battles.

At a few points you can feel the fanfiction nature of it all like in Dalton's maze and some lines that are probably inappropriate for the character. Would Lucca really say "Prepare to be shot"? And Magus, while dismissive in the original game, was not Vegeta actively seeking out people just to call them idiots. But I am pretty impressed overall. The few oddball moments aside, the writing is actually pretty sound and appears to bridge Chrono Trigger's tone with Chrono Cross's nicely.

Now here's hoping the 98% version gets leaked.

Nature Boy

06-01-2009, 02:12 PM

Now here's hoping the 98% version gets leaked.

What makes people think that this isn't the 98% version?

I'll still be shocked if the whole thing wasn't a big hoax because the devs (a) knew they'd never be done, (b) wanted to be done with it, and (c) figured this was the best way to give it up and not lose face.

If the C&D were true, why would you *ever* take a chance showing anything, even videos? I sure as heck wouldn't.

TonyTheTiger

06-01-2009, 03:10 PM

The videos show scenes that have fewer graphical glitches than the leaked version so some work was definitely done between what we've got and what was used to make the footage.

kupomogli

06-01-2009, 04:25 PM

If Square-Enix sues and nothing happens does anyone think that they'll end up finishing the project? Even if they have to pay out to Square-Enix because of this leak.

What's to say that they can't just release the full version since they've already been sued.

TonyTheTiger

06-01-2009, 04:32 PM

Based on my admittedly limited knowledge of what's been going on, I don't think Square Enix has a slam dunk case. But even if they do sue and lose that doesn't give a free pass to any and all actions these romhackers take in the future. They can't come back and say "Yo, Square, you lost the suit and now we get to do whatever we want with this romhack." Losing one case doesn't preclude another suit for a similar offense committed later on. Imagine what that would mean. I smash your car window with a rock. You sue me and lose (or even win). So now I can smash your car window again and get away with it because you already had your shot in court. That would be royally screwed up if things worked that way.

badinsults

06-01-2009, 05:12 PM

What makes people think that this isn't the 98% version?

I'll still be shocked if the whole thing wasn't a big hoax because the devs (a) knew they'd never be done, (b) wanted to be done with it, and (c) figured this was the best way to give it up and not lose face.

If the C&D were true, why would you *ever* take a chance showing anything, even videos? I sure as heck wouldn't.

It definitely isn't the 98% done version. Read my article there. The videos show completed things that are definitely not done in the leaked hack.

TonyTheTiger

06-02-2009, 01:28 PM

Well that didn't take long. First game breaking glitch that I have no idea how to get around. After a certain boss fight there's a montage of scenes depicting all hell breaking loose. But the montage never finishes. The screen just goes blank and hangs. Any ideas?

badinsults

06-02-2009, 05:32 PM

TonyTheTiger

06-02-2009, 05:36 PM

Have people finished the game? If they have there's got to be a way around it. If I'm out of luck then so is everybody who plays it as it renders the game unbeatable.

badinsults

06-02-2009, 06:08 PM

Have people finished the game? If they have there's got to be a way around it. If I'm out of luck then so is everybody who plays it as it renders the game unbeatable.

What do you expect of a game that is full of upwards of 2000 bugs (as the development team claims)? I wouldn't expect this game to be completable, unless the final hack is released.

kupomogli

06-02-2009, 07:07 PM

TonyTheTiger

06-02-2009, 07:27 PM

What do you expect of a game that is full of upwards of 2000 bugs (as the development team claims)? I wouldn't expect this game to be completable, unless the final hack is released.

I didn't expect the game to be flawless or even beatable when I started. I did, however, expect somebody to have played through it or gotten as far as it allows. And since nobody is talking about the game not being beatable I was assuming that it could be finished. I highly doubt I'm the first person to reach this point. And if I am then here's fair warning to anybody who decides to play this.

Though I do think I circumvented this little problem. Funnily enough, though, it's apparently because of another bug that I was able to bypass it. I have no way to be certain but it appears the game gives you access to something you aren't supposed to have access to at that point in the game. By taking advantage of that you can skip over the sequence that locks the game and jump ahead to some later point. I think I'm in the last dungeon now although it looks incomplete and so I don't know how to navigate it.

Edit: I'm also using the newest version of ZSNES.

aett

06-06-2009, 02:52 AM

Hello all - I have just registered here because this is the only place on the internet I can find that actually has people attempting to play this ROMhack.

I actually got at least several hours into the game before reaching what appears to be a game-ending glitch. I had just completed the series of events where [the party is split up and sent to different time periods, each one being controlled by the Reptites thanks to King Zeal's meddling in prehistory.] After finishing this bit, Belthasar gives the party a quest to accomplish in 2302 AD and suggests talking to Mother Brain about it to get more information. Unfortunately, one of the blocks of text in Mother Brain's speech is completely blank and afterwards, nothing else happens. There is no way to advance the story or reach the mainland as far as I can tell.

Has anyone else reached this point?

Cryomancer

06-06-2009, 03:50 AM

the dome in the upper left of the continent chronopolis is on has a one-square enterable area that will take you to the other continent. it's called "Mayor's Manor" when you stand on it I beleive. Hopefully I have the proper place in mind that you are talking about. If that's not it, I can make other suggestions (there are a few pretty easy to miss overworld locations, it can get annoying).

kupomogli

06-06-2009, 08:25 AM

You guys should play Prophet's Guile if you haven't. I'm playing it before Crimson Echoes. Prophet's Guile is a great game. Difficulty of the game is a little unbalanced but it's completable without much trouble really. The main reason to play this is the storyline which they have written extremely well as well as staying true to the original Chrono Trigger.

Playing this game makes me really hope they do sometime release a full version of Crimson Echoes.

TonyTheTiger

06-06-2009, 12:14 PM

The only game ending problems I've encountered are the one with the montage of all hell breaking loose and what I think is the unbeatable final dungeon.

The montage in question leads to a blank screen that just hangs. I had to take advantage of another bug to skip over the entire story event (and possibly a couple of others) in order to move forward.

By taking advantage of the bug, the story jumps forward and ends up leading to a dungeon that comes off as, if not the last dungeon, one very close to the end. This dungeon requires you to manipulate two parties and have some random guy you meet inside follow you around. But I can't seem to complete the puzzle. It's almost like the door leading out is missing. Not even the Game Genie walk through walls code helps out.

Cryomancer

06-07-2009, 06:25 PM

Did you get past the part where you have to take the Masamune to the dark ages? My first party slot with Frog in it won't unlock after this, making having Marle as the party leader for returning to the present impossible. The King refuses to see her in my party at all, and walking past the guard with codes doens't do anything either. Did this part work for you?

TonyTheTiger

06-07-2009, 07:05 PM

Yeah, I was able to do that just fine. I can't imagine what the problem is. All I know is that after returning the Masamune I was able to make Marle the party leader and then go to the castle. Try talking to everybody you can and resting at Chronopolis.

You might also want to try loading an earlier save and doing the sequence again. On more than one occasion I've encountered weird glitches that screwed me over but wouldn't happen consistently. One example is once you get access to the Epoch once in a while the scene will change to something random and the game will lock up. But it doesn't happen all the time.

kupomogli

06-11-2009, 10:35 PM

I just finished the part on Crimson Echoes where you do the drum part. I like the fact that whoever did the writing wrote that it not only went from left to right(which I thought in the first place) but also on the other clue wrote the crescent shaped ones were high as well. Both clues were wrong.

It took me quite some time to get this one. I did literally every combination from left to right, then tried right to left with high for crescent first, then mid for crescent second time and the broken note did high.

VG_Maniac

06-13-2009, 04:15 PM

This reminds me of when Square killed that awesome 3D Chrono Trigger remake that was being made.

kupomogli

06-29-2009, 01:19 AM

I'm currently stuck in the game. After going through the reptite timeline and stopping it from ever happening, I can't find where to go. It's been awhile since I've touched it since then so I end up going to the one computer that says something about in the future(which theres nothing I can do in the future or any of the time lines.)

I ended up going to 1002 which our characters wonder why the Vanguard is there and that's where that ends. Supposedly the Porre is supposed to attack the Vanguard and Guardia but they're not in the forest that they're supposedly at and I can't go into their military base. Went to 602 AD and nothing there either. The only spot I really haven't checked again is the 64,999,998 BC but only because there is nothing that I'm told that I should go there(no Vanguard or nothing about a cause in the future against the Mystics, etc.) I think I might need to do something against Kazmir but I think I've talked to everyone so no idea how to get rid of his illusion to actually kill him instead of fighting him over and over.

When I was playing the game earlier, it gave the options of helping the Mystic, the Porre, or doing nothing. I decided to remain neutral and they actually killed each other so I'm guessing that's why I got the story part where I'm at. Does this part lead to a dead end(this is the part where you can't take Glenn because the Vanguard might recognize him?)

Anyone know where I'm supposed to go.

DenDenDos

03-14-2010, 01:21 PM

The reviews look bad.

Baloo

03-14-2010, 01:52 PM

Square Enix is being it's usual assholish self for ordering a cease and desist, because they can't come up with anything better to counter a simple fangame. Make a 3D Chrono Trigger for the fans? Out of the question. Someone else is doing it? Fuck them, Cease and Desist.

skaar

03-14-2010, 02:04 PM

The game's all over and I think most of the reviews have been poor to horrible. The C&D was probably the best thing that could have happened to the team to even get any attention.

Still, I respect the effort put in on it.

Jorpho

03-14-2010, 02:53 PM

The game's all over and I think most of the reviews have been poor to horrible. The C&D was probably the best thing that could have happened to the team to even get any attention.Come now, had they had the time to finish it properly, it may well have gotten better reviews.

Rickstilwell1

03-14-2010, 03:02 PM

I bet they did finish it just so they and their personal friends could play it themselves. Too bad we don't get to see it.

kupomogli

03-14-2010, 03:41 PM

I honestly think they wanted to quit putting effort into the game. They had alot put into the game but there were so many areas in the game that were incomplete. Most people think the cease and desist letter was a fake in order to get out of finishing it.

This was the same team that did the Magus prequel and that one never got a cease and desist letter, which the prequel with Magus the storyline is extremely well done, it just needs to be rebalanced properly and a few bugs fixed.

NayusDante

03-14-2010, 03:49 PM

Now that I think about it, wouldn't the author of the Temporal Flux editor be more C&D worthy than a mod team?

kedawa

03-14-2010, 05:57 PM

I don't see how, unless the editor itself contains copyrighted material.

TonyTheTiger

03-14-2010, 05:57 PM

Even if he is, what's the point of sending one to him now? Sending a C&D to somebody who's already released an editor on the net would serve only to bring more attention to it rather than quash it.

I still think that there's nothing particularly wrong with what Square-Enix did. I'm sure if the situation were reversed and it was Square-Enix making a pseudo-sequel to a game some indie developer produced people would be perfectly happy seeing a C&D letter sent out, even if the game were 98% complete.

Baloo

03-14-2010, 06:47 PM

kupomogli

03-14-2010, 07:22 PM

*deleted*

TonyTheTiger

03-14-2010, 07:27 PM

It's not as if these people are trying to make a profit off these games, what's the need for a cease and desist order?

A major misconception is that something making money is the ultimate deciding factor. It isn't necessarily about whether something is being sold but rather how it impacts the original IP, how much of the original is taken, etc. Brand recognition is a major consideration. Square-Enix protecting it's IP is no different from Indie Dev #204 doing the same thing. People forget that the laws that protect Square-Enix's interests in its property are the same laws that protect the little guy's interest in his.

NayusDante

03-14-2010, 07:42 PM

Brand recognition is a major consideration.

I'm starting to recognize Chrono Trigger as a brand that Squenix spends more time protecting with C&D letters than they do developing sequels.

Nintega Grafx-16

03-14-2010, 08:02 PM

lol Square-Enix hates their fans. I bet the ultra looney FFVII/Tetsuya Nomura evangelists are the biggest reason of this. The kind that would wear about 16 belts all over their bodies just like their precious semi-emo characters.

Jorpho

03-14-2010, 08:10 PM

Most people think the cease and desist letter was a fake in order to get out of finishing it.[Citation Needed]

kupomogli

03-14-2010, 08:20 PM

Doesn't Capcom allow for fan hacks or fan made games based on their games as long as there's no profit? They get publicity for the series. People obviously now the games are not made by the company, Capcom, so they're not hurting anything by doing so.

Everyone know Rondo of Blood? Of course you do. Konami sent out letters to sites asking the removal of Rondo of Blood but went right over the fact that the same sites had roms of the rest of the Castlevania series from Vampire Killer all the way to Legacy of Darkness. The Castlevania Dungeon was one of these sites. Obviously Konami was asking for removal of Rondo because later on they actually did something with the game. They remade it and rereleased.

With Squaresoft. They sent out a cease and desist for Chrono Trigger Resurrection which was already told was going to be a battle sequence and playable sequences from main parts of Chrono Trigger but in 3d. This I can see. It was pretty much a remake of certain parts, not a fan hack.

But with Chrono Trigger Crimson Echoes, this was nothing more than a fan hack. Of a series that Square Enix isn't doing anything with. Making no money on the series whatsoever. Of all the Square Enix games that get fan hacks, only this one receives a C&D. There are a ton of fan hacks released for the Final Fantasy games as well as my previous(non deleted) post referencing Chrono Trigger Prophet's Guile. All of which did not have a C&D.

Also. Many people stated they called the law firm that was listed on the C&D letter and was told that they knew nothing about the issue. Square Enix after being emailed also gave no recognition to sending out a C&D letter. Afterwards the phone number on the letter was removed so no one could call it.

It's probably a line of shit the Crimson Echoes team was feeding everyone. They wanted to make a project and made it too big. The storyline was written very poorly making some characters really unlikable in comparison to the original game, like Frog instead of being respectful and mature, he acted like an immature kid. "Don't call me Frog!!!" etc. Also using lots of cursing when they really didn't need to. The game was also less balanced than Prophet's Guile, like the beginning of the game which was ridiculously hard, then the later parts were easy enough to be taken on at low levels, including Marle's supposedly hard area. Many areas in each section were incomplete, such as multiple dungeons that looked like ass. You were unable to advance on more than one occassion so basically had to restart and forward through by the debug mode to the next part and play from there until you reached the next area that was unable to be continued from.

Since it was too largely scaled, they realized how much more time it would take to fix a lot of the bugs in it, rebalance the game, redo the entire script to make it not suck, etc, they probably felt it would take too much longer than they originally expected and decided to scrap the game. How? Then they thought of how Chrono Trigger Resurrection got shut down.

Baloo

03-14-2010, 08:23 PM

A major misconception is that something making money is the ultimate deciding factor. It isn't necessarily about whether something is being sold but rather how it impacts the original IP, how much of the original is taken, etc. Brand recognition is a major consideration. Square-Enix protecting it's IP is no different from Indie Dev #204 doing the same thing. People forget that the laws that protect Square-Enix's interests in its property are the same laws that protect the little guy's interest in his.

Yeah, but when the fuck was the last time Square Enix actually did something with the Chrono Trigger IP aside from the re-release on DS? Is some fanhack really going to cut into sales of that? Hell, it should increase sales really, as it makes the IP more popular. It's one thing if you're going to actually do something with the IP, such as make a Chrono Trigger sequel, but Square Enix hasn't done anything with the IP in 10 years except send out cease and desist letters. There's no money being made ANYWHERE really off this series.

kupomogli

03-14-2010, 08:25 PM

Yeah, but when the fuck was the last time Square Enix actually did something with the Chrono Trigger IP since PSX?

The DS? It wasn't anything new though unless you count the couple extras.

Porksta

03-14-2010, 08:47 PM

kupomogli

03-14-2010, 08:55 PM

If they didn't stop this game from happening, what is to keep other people from trying to make other games. There is some legal term that I am trying to remember, but basically if Square didn't stop this game, and tried to stop other games the other people would point out Square's failure to stop the previous game. I just confused a lot of people.

What's the point? Prophet's Guile was made? They didn't stop that game. A lot of Final Fantasy hacks were made, those weren't stopped(also sitting on Romhacking.net.) A lot of rom sites have roms for Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy, Secret of Mana, as well as ISO files for various games, etc. Well known rom sites btw. Chrono Trigger was rereleased and there's a different Final Fantasy rereleased every couple years.

Don't you think Square Enix would attempt to get their games taken off rom sites that the games could just be downloaded from before worrying about some fan hack?

jeffg

03-14-2010, 09:26 PM

'Precedence'

that is the term you are looking for.

Legal Precedence

Porksta

03-14-2010, 09:29 PM

That's it.

Jorpho

03-15-2010, 10:48 AM

Many people stated they called the law firm that was listed on the C&D letter and was told that they knew nothing about the issue.[Citation Needed]

Don't you think Square Enix would attempt to get their games taken off rom sites that the games could just be downloaded from before worrying about some fan hack?Anyone can put a copy of a ROM up for download; it's trivial. Not everyone can make a hack that could potentially be wildly popular.

And besides, they stated prominently (for some reason) that they would stop if Square-Enix asked them to, which is a lot more than what your typical ROM site will do.

SegaAges

03-15-2010, 10:57 AM

It is one thing to protect your IP. It is another thing to wait until the last minute to protect it.

If square truly cared that much about the Chrono Trigger IP, why would they wait until the fan game was so close to completion.

That is stupid and makes no sense. If you truly want to protect your IP, you shut down those fan games the moment they spring up and not at the last minute.

TonyTheTiger

03-15-2010, 11:09 AM

Maybe they didn't know about it. I doubt the company went out of its way to wait until it was 98% complete to bring down the hammer just to be extra nasty. They killed the Chrono Resurrection project, too, after a period of time but that one was nowhere near complete. But it did get a lot of exposure around the net.

What I think happens is that Square-Enix and most other companies are no different from any of us. I didn't know about Crimson Echoes until it started getting a lot of chatter around the net. By that time the game was nearly finished. It wasn't long before the C&D showed up. So it isn't inconceivable that the company just plain didn't get the memo.

That's the irony of it. If Crimson Echoes were a quiet project, what it was in its early stages, then there wouldn't be any trouble because nobody knows about it. It's when these things get big, usually after they've done significant amounts of work, that there's a risk of a C&D. I guess the lesson is "keep your mouth shut."