View Full Version : New Genesis Consoles ETA: Summer 2009
Sonicwolf
10-14-2009, 12:02 AM
Good lord, triple post.
Sonicwolf
10-14-2009, 12:02 AM
Good lord, triple post. Sorry.
$45 isn't as bad as $50, but if I were to order one, I'd certainly wait for the GenMobile reviews. After checking StoneAgeGamer, $10 difference for possibly fixed audio and a properly shaped D-pad sounds worth it to me.
The audio between all of these systems should be the exact same. They all use the same chip and hardware.
PSony
10-14-2009, 09:11 PM
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=61841201
http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7673&page=55
The GenMobile's sound is off too.
gamesboro
10-15-2009, 07:42 PM
I sell the Retrogen, so you might take my thoughts on it with a grain of salt, or you may believe me when I tell you that the unit is pretty nice.
The screen is incredible, compatibility is pretty good, and the sound isn't so hot.
The sound isn't as bad as you may think though, coming through the units tiny speaker it really doesn't make that much of a difference. Out of all of the ones I've sold; and I've sold a lot of them, no one has told me that they were dissapointed with the purchase.
Personally I've beaten Sonic 2, tried out at least a hundred games or so, played hours and hours of Beggar Prince, and I'm perfectly happy with it.
Street Fighter SCE is very difficult to play on the system. I can do fireballs, but dragon punch and sonic boom motions are pretty much impossible. Mortal Kombat I and II on the other hand I've been able to play with very little trouble. (I can't win "Test your might" challenges, just can't hit the buttons fast enough)
Direct Feed Footage of Retrogen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtjLGCK1ydI)
Crappy built in Firecore games (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWTEVXKoVRQ)
Here are a couple of videos I put up on YouTube when I first got the system in last week. Thought you might like them.
Oh yeah, I expect that the GEN Mobile will have the same sound and compatible games, but its a HELL of a deal with 20 games built in. THAT is going to be the real hotness. I expect it to be huge this Christmas.
Akito01
10-15-2009, 09:27 PM
I sell the Retrogen, so you might take my thoughts on it with a grain of salt, or you may believe me when I tell you that the unit is pretty nice.
The screen is incredible, compatibility is pretty good, and the sound isn't so hot.
The sound isn't as bad as you may think though, coming through the units tiny speaker it really doesn't make that much of a difference. Out of all of the ones I've sold; and I've sold a lot of them, no one has told me that they were dissapointed with the purchase.
Personally I've beaten Sonic 2, tried out at least a hundred games or so, played hours and hours of Beggar Prince, and I'm perfectly happy with it.
Street Fighter SCE is very difficult to play on the system. I can do fireballs, but dragon punch and sonic boom motions are pretty much impossible. Mortal Kombat I and II on the other hand I've been able to play with very little trouble. (I can't win "Test your might" challenges, just can't hit the buttons fast enough)
Direct Feed Footage of Retrogen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtjLGCK1ydI)
Crappy built in Firecore games (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWTEVXKoVRQ)
Here are a couple of videos I put up on YouTube when I first got the system in last week. Thought you might like them.
Oh yeah, I expect that the GEN Mobile will have the same sound and compatible games, but its a HELL of a deal with 20 games built in. THAT is going to be the real hotness. I expect it to be huge this Christmas.
Rightly or wrongly, I ordered the GenCore from you guys -the built in games do make it something of a bargain, even if it will likely suffer the same issues as the other systems. I just wanted a system to play games on TV with a regular controller and that doesn't take up a lot of space.
I'd already ordered my RetroGen from another company -like, back in July. Oh, but it won't get here until next week (while other people already have theirs and have been posting up on YouTube), and the store had dropped the price on the system on release but didn't offer any kind of rebate for those of us who pre-ordered and got charged the original higher price. Classy.
T2KFreeker
10-15-2009, 09:57 PM
I sell the Retrogen, so you might take my thoughts on it with a grain of salt, or you may believe me when I tell you that the unit is pretty nice.
The screen is incredible, compatibility is pretty good, and the sound isn't so hot.
The sound isn't as bad as you may think though, coming through the units tiny speaker it really doesn't make that much of a difference. Out of all of the ones I've sold; and I've sold a lot of them, no one has told me that they were dissapointed with the purchase.
Personally I've beaten Sonic 2, tried out at least a hundred games or so, played hours and hours of Beggar Prince, and I'm perfectly happy with it.
Street Fighter SCE is very difficult to play on the system. I can do fireballs, but dragon punch and sonic boom motions are pretty much impossible. Mortal Kombat I and II on the other hand I've been able to play with very little trouble. (I can't win "Test your might" challenges, just can't hit the buttons fast enough)
Direct Feed Footage of Retrogen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtjLGCK1ydI)
Crappy built in Firecore games (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWTEVXKoVRQ)
Here are a couple of videos I put up on YouTube when I first got the system in last week. Thought you might like them.
Oh yeah, I expect that the GEN Mobile will have the same sound and compatible games, but its a HELL of a deal with 20 games built in. THAT is going to be the real hotness. I expect it to be huge this Christmas.
Anyone that wants to read a review of the GEN Mobile, I did do a review in Classic Video Gamer Magazine issue #2. It may have the same problems the Innex system has emulationwise, but the D-Pad they have in the system is much better. The Retrogen's Nickel thingy is rough on your thumb to boot. It's not as horrid system, but could have had some better design behind it.
By the way, maybe I'll drop in at your store if I get out towards Albany again.
kedawa
10-16-2009, 01:54 AM
There are at least three different manufacturers and four consoles being discussed here as far as I can tell, but I'll be damned if I can sort out what's what.
Sonicwolf
10-16-2009, 02:27 AM
There are at least three different manufacturers and four consoles being discussed here as far as I can tell, but I'll be damned if I can sort out what's what.
Exactly what I am thinking in this thread. I hope someone can make a comprehensive and comparative post on whats what.
BetaWolf47
10-16-2009, 02:35 AM
Hmm, looks like Yobo's FC3 Plus is still the way to go as far as Gen clones go.
Sonicwolf
10-16-2009, 02:42 AM
Hmm, looks like Yobo's FC3 Plus is still the way to go as far as Gen clones go.
I heard that thing wasnt all too hot at doing a good emulation job either.
gamesboro
10-16-2009, 10:40 AM
I'll try to make sense of this for you guys.
At Games got the rights from Sega to make licensed Genesis Consoles. They partnered with 2 different distributors, Hyperkin and Innex. Both of these companies have different Genesis units that have either already come out, or are coming out in the next couple of weeks.
Hyperkin has
GEN Mobile - Portable Genesis with cartridge port, 2.4 inch screen, and 20 built in Genesis games for around $60.00
GEN Core - Traditional Genesis console (aka one that plugs into your TV), shaped like Sonic's head, has 2 controllers, a cartridge port, and 20 built in games for around $40.00
Innex has
Retrogen - UNLICENSED Genesis portable, 2.8 inch screen for around $50.00
Genesis Portable - 20 games built in, no cartridge port, 2.4 inch screen for around $50.00
Genesis Firecore - Traditional Genesis, 20 games built in, 2 controllers for around $50.00
All of these are Firecore compatible (with the exception of the Genesis Portable) and that means that a cartridge with an SD card slot will be coming out in the future so you can download new licensed Sega games from an authorized site. Now you should have an easier time understanding what we are going on about.
kedawa
10-16-2009, 06:59 PM
Some of those systems just have crappy games though, and not actual classic genesis games, right?
And what about retrobit?
PSony
10-16-2009, 07:01 PM
Only the Retrogen has the crappy freeware games, I think.
Here's another Atgames Genesis. This is shaped like Sonic's head, but doesn't have the cartridge slot.
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.27799
It's been said before, but it's worth mentioning again. Any sound or performance issues will be the exact same across all systems. They use the exact same hardware.
Sonicwolf
10-16-2009, 11:57 PM
It's been said before, but it's worth mentioning again. Any sound or performance issues will be the exact same across all systems. They use the exact same hardware.
Thats a bummer. I hope that if these companies make a different handheld in the future, they will spend more time perfecting the things that really matter. I would have traded off the built in games for proper audio.
kedawa
10-17-2009, 01:42 AM
Just how bad is the audio? I used to have one of the radica units, the one with SF2 and G'n'G, and it was acceptable. Is it worse than that?
Sonicwolf
10-17-2009, 01:53 AM
Just how bad is the audio? I used to have one of the radica units, the one with SF2 and G'n'G, and it was acceptable. Is it worse than that?
If it is anything like that recent Genesis home console release, it is BAD.
gamesboro
10-17-2009, 11:27 AM
Actually, the Retrogen is a little more updated, Beggar Prince works on it as an example, as it didn't work on the Firecore. The GEN Mobile will be using this update as well.
Akito01
10-17-2009, 12:12 PM
Thats a bummer. I hope that if these companies make a different handheld in the future, they will spend more time perfecting the things that really matter. I would have traded off the built in games for proper audio.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that we will see a hardware revision in a years time, just as we did for the FC Mobile. In order to do so, I think either Hyperkin or Innex will have to rethink the Sega license, since that is what stuck them with ATGames. Going back deeper into this thread, the impression one gets is that the marketing and sales people don't believe that these machines will sell unless they do have that Sega license and the built-in games. I'm not sure what we can do to convince them otherwise, but I think that is what has to happen if we are to get what we want.
A recent Youtube video shows off Sonic, comparing it to the collection on PSP (not really a fair comparison when you compare the price of the two devices). I have to admit, Sonic on the Retrogen does sound really really bad (perhaps also a function of having the sound turned all the way up, overloading the internal speaker a bit).
When it comes to those classic Genesis games; yeah, there are better ways to play them. But when it comes to stuff like Raiden Trad, and El Viento and so forth -not a lot of that stuff is being published in collections or the Virtual Console. You need a machine to play the original carts, and I'm willing to put up with a few issues if it means I can play Raiden Trad at my leisure.
I know we haven't heard from the Hyperkin guy in a while, but please don't tell us that the portable SNES is off the table. I'm not expecting such a thing anytime soon, but damn I would pay a lot for such a thing.
Tupin
10-17-2009, 11:46 PM
So, the Gen Mobile, by Hyperkin, has 20 built in GENESIS games, a cartridge slot, and Firecore compatibility?
Where can I buy it?
T2KFreeker
10-18-2009, 03:42 AM
So, the Gen Mobile, by Hyperkin, has 20 built in GENESIS games, a cartridge slot, and Firecore compatibility?
Where can I buy it?
Soon hopefully. The system should be out soon.
Akito01
10-18-2009, 08:59 PM
Am I mistaken, or has the RetroGen suddenly sold out? It seems to have been removed from some store listings, or been marked as 'sold out' on others. Is this sort of thing typical? Either it proved to be pretty damn popular, or not a lot of them were produced. Good news for HyperKin in any event, since they're going to be the only game in town for a portable Genesis once it arrives on these shores.
gamesboro
10-19-2009, 10:18 AM
I sold out over the weekend at http://www.gamesboro.net
Innex says they are on back order for a couple of months.
StoneAgeGamer
10-19-2009, 10:42 AM
We still have 5 in stock:
http://stoneagegamer.com/retrogen.aspx
StoneAgeGamer
10-19-2009, 10:51 AM
So, the Gen Mobile, by Hyperkin, has 20 built in GENESIS games, a cartridge slot, and Firecore compatibility?
Where can I buy it?
We are still taking pre-orders on the GenMobile here:
http://stoneagegamer.com/genmobile.aspx
If you go to Classic Video Gamer Magazine Online (http://www.classicvgm.com/) and scroll down a little bit you will find a coupon code to get $5.00 of your GenMobile pre-order. So you can get the GenMobile for $49.99.
We also have some other bundles:
GenMobile + GenCore (http://stoneagegamer.com/genesisbundle.aspx) for $89.99 ($84.99 w/coupon code)
GenMobile + FC Mobile 2 (http://stoneagegamer.com/portablebundle.aspx) for $99.99 ($94.99 w/coupon code)
rocky412
10-24-2009, 08:49 AM
I just received my Retro-gen this week after pre-ordering it and waiting 6 weeks from the time it was suppose to be available and getting the nice suprise that the system was dropped $12.00 in price and I pre-ordered it for $49.99 and getting the response of "sorry,but there is noting I can do about it from the website that I ordered it from".Other than that,the system is terrific. The sound and picture quality are terrific.The only disappointing thing is that it was originally advertised on most websites that it came with an SD card & slot to be able to download licensed Sega games. There is no slot.
StoneAgeGamer
10-24-2009, 10:35 AM
It appears GenMobiles are currently stuck in customs for approval. Just FYI. Customs can be a crap shoot sometimes so it might not take long or may take a few weeks.
Kaboomer
10-24-2009, 11:05 AM
It appears GenMobiles are currently stuck in customs for approval. Just FYI. Customs can be a crap shoot sometimes so it might not take long or may take a few weeks.
True. I am going to be at DDR games on Monday, who is my wholesaler for these. I will see if I can get an update on ETA.
We have pre-orders available too ($55) at: http://www.chasethechuckwagon.com/item.cgi?show_item=0000211100
Akito01
10-24-2009, 11:47 AM
I just received my Retro-gen this week after pre-ordering it and waiting 6 weeks from the time it was suppose to be available and getting the nice suprise that the system was dropped $12.00 in price and I pre-ordered it for $49.99 and getting the response of "sorry,but there is noting I can do about it from the website that I ordered it from".Other than that,the system is terrific. The sound and picture quality are terrific.The only disappointing thing is that it was originally advertised on most websites that it came with an SD card & slot to be able to download licensed Sega games. There is no slot.
I had the same experience. Lesson learned, we'll just never use that store again in future. They have a really weird back story that doesn't make me want to trust them with my credit card information again anyway.
As for the SD card thing -that was not for a built-in slot, but a separately available cartridge that would have an SD card slot. As I understand it, it wasn't about downloading Sega games, it was for games from the FireCore (or FireBox, or whatever the heck they're calling it these days) service that they already have in China. You know those crappy ass games that are built in with the RetroGen? Like that.
T2KFreeker
10-26-2009, 09:31 PM
Strange that people are bringing up the whole "Licensed Sega" thing for the Innex system as being stuck with AtGames. The thing is that the Innex system is not licensed which is why it does not have the AtGames logo or licensed Genesis games built in. Just some FYI.
ooXxXoo
10-26-2009, 09:36 PM
Strange that people are bringing up the whole "Licensed Sega" thing for the Innex system as being stuck with AtGames. The thing is that the Innex system is not licensed which is why it does not have the AtGames logo or licensed Genesis games built in. Just some FYI.
The portable Retrogen isn't, while the Innex Firecore is endorsed by Atgames and Sega..
T2KFreeker
10-26-2009, 11:07 PM
The portable Retrogen isn't, while the Innex Firecore is endorsed by Atgames and Sega..
I guess I wasn't clear about it as that is what I meant.
gamesboro
10-30-2009, 01:11 AM
Hey guys, I got a present for you. How about some GEN Mobile footage?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0Ld4iz83w4
ooXxXoo
10-30-2009, 01:16 AM
Great to see you here man!....Brilliant video full of real info!....
gamesboro
10-30-2009, 01:44 AM
Great to see you too! Glad you liked the video. The screen is really bright, so the gameplay footage came out kind of blurry. It is actually very crisp and easy to see.
T2KFreeker
11-06-2009, 04:21 PM
Gen Mobile should be in peoples hands shortly, I would suspect as the rumor has it the systems cleared customs. Just some FYI.
Oldskool
11-06-2009, 05:02 PM
Damn, I think I am going to sell my Nomad and get one of these. Is it rechargeable like any other modern handheld?
StoneAgeGamer
11-06-2009, 05:59 PM
Yes it is rechargeable.
megasdkirby
11-09-2009, 05:58 PM
Does anyone know where I can get a good review of the unit? Would love to see how things are emulated, compatibility, battery life, etc.
A little birdie told me that the compatability is 89%. Battery life is great, but take a look at the back. How are you going to replace the battery if it goes bad or wears out? They are non-replacable. That being said, I think they are an incredible deal and have outstanding battery life.
Akito01
11-17-2009, 10:59 PM
Can I pop in to say that I have found the GenCore to be pretty awesome?
It is pretty much exactly what I was hoping for. It is tiny, but at the same time is pleasantly hefty, which is a surprise. It doesn't feel cheap and empty like other clones. The controllers are a touch small, but perfectly functional, and make for a much better TV playing experience than hooking up the RetroGen.
Speaking of which, the emulation seems to be much better on the GenCore as well. Playing Raiden Trad on the RetroGen, the screen does this weird thing where it will briefly flash some backgrounds before starting up or restarting after you die. The GenCore doesn't do that at all.
I don't have the original Genesis hardware to do side by side comparisons, so I'd be curious to hear other opinions about the quality of the emulation that I can't provide. I'm really super happy with the thing though.
Can I pop in to say that I have found the GenCore to be pretty awesome?
It is pretty much exactly what I was hoping for. It is tiny, but at the same time is pleasantly hefty, which is a surprise. It doesn't feel cheap and empty like other clones. The controllers are a touch small, but perfectly functional, and make for a much better TV playing experience than hooking up the RetroGen.
Speaking of which, the emulation seems to be much better on the GenCore as well. Playing Raiden Trad on the RetroGen, the screen does this weird thing where it will briefly flash some backgrounds before starting up or restarting after you die. The GenCore doesn't do that at all.
I don't have the original Genesis hardware to do side by side comparisons, so I'd be curious to hear other opinions about the quality of the emulation that I can't provide. I'm really super happy with the thing though.
Wow, that's more generous then I would have been with the system.
I'm sorry I never updated this thread with "Official Hyperkin Information." I got into a wee bit of trouble for releasing too much info and far too soon.
P.S. Some of you retailers should have already heard about a competitor making a SNES portable which does force Hyperkin to rapidly push up the timetable for our own release - so more portables are coming.
NayusDante
11-18-2009, 02:26 PM
...SNES portable...
This is very nice to hear! ^_^
wizardspade80
05-12-2010, 10:54 AM
As for the review from OldSkoolFool, I notice how he brings up the compatibility with Street Fighter II for this but then doesn't test it. Getting specials off on this thing are worse that trying it on a stock 3DO pad with Super Street Fighter II Turbo. Anyone who has played knows what I mean. As long as you are plating games that don't need these kinds of movements, it's okay. Well, it does what it needs to at least as I am still not too sure about the feel of the Pocket Change D-Pad.
That's cause Oldskoolfool from dasreviews.com and dascheap.com (which he honestly makes believe is a "partner" site?? ROFL) is a doooosh (emphasizing on the multiple "o" pronunciation) who never knows what he's talking about. He's just kissing Innex's arse :bareass:cause he set up shop down the road from them with his DasDoosh site and is heavily pushing Innex's products to con them into financing dascheap.com as a "secret" marketing ploy by Oldskool that positively reviews Innex's Retrobit line and distribution products(Firecore, Retrogen, Hori, etc...) to the gamer community and thereby sharing in the products sales profit from the supposed "objective" positive reviews. He acts independant but is deviously directing (through dasreviews) you towards those products, giving the unknowing inquisitive gamer the shaft :fist:
He screwed me back in December with his nonsense on a sale. Buyer beware of dascheap
T2KFreeker
05-12-2010, 03:36 PM
Well, like I have said in the past, I work for a retro gaming magazine and have been able to review both systems. If I were pointing a friend to a console, it would be the GenMobile. The system is better all around. The included games are official Genesis releases. The control set up is 100 times better and the screen is of better quality. The RetroGen is a piece of garbage just on the supposed D-Pad alone. The fact that it is basically a frickin' Nickel on the face of the unit, it makes many Genesis games, especially fighters, completely unplayable. It is supposed to look nice, but it feels like crap, especially when your thumb starts feeling it. The RetroGen is a much better system and more worth the money you will put down on it, period.
rpepper9
05-12-2010, 03:49 PM
He screwed me back in December with his nonsense on a sale. Buyer beware of dascheap
Nothing like resurrecting a thread from 2009 that had been dormant for 6 months to get another dig in at dascheap.
Stay classy wizardspade80