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eskobar
08-04-2009, 11:33 PM
How do you cancel bids if someone snipes with 2 seconds left?

To me, doing that is just dumb. I'm sure if you left the auction alone, you would have got a reasonable price for it ($200-$300).

hehehe, i know; it side of the road is quite bizarre .... the worst part is that skaar will never get the game from him. ^^;

retrocollectorguy
08-05-2009, 12:29 AM
From my experience, most sellers on ebay.uk are douchebags like this one so I just avoid it all together..

skaar
08-05-2009, 01:58 AM
I think it's just a shitty situation all around. I feel bad for the guy for all the shit he's taking, and I feel lousy I'm not getting a sweet deal on a game.

Myself, I'd have taken the hit to maintain my reputation - it's more important to me than the money. But that's easy to say from this side of the fence. I've had a few protos end for way less than I thought they would, but I've also had a few go for way more (ahem NWC) than I thought so karma balances itself out.

I'm not planning on leaving a neg, I'm giving the guy the benefit of the doubt and will just let the auction die off my ebay page with no feedback. He did refund my money, so while I lost a bit on the exchange rate on a 1 week loan, no real harm for me.

Also, he did apologize via PM. Sometimes bad things just happen to people.

aaron7
08-05-2009, 10:04 AM
Bullcrap. You're letting him off WAY too easily.

Guy's auction ends for less than he wanted. Wahhhhhhhh

Suck to be him.

HappehLemons
08-05-2009, 10:09 AM
Wait, sellers can't leave feedback on ebay anymore? Since when

aaron7
08-05-2009, 10:09 AM
For a LONG time. Buyers can leave a neg and you can only leave them a positive.

eskobar
08-05-2009, 10:31 AM
Bullcrap. You're letting him off WAY too easily.

Guy's auction ends for less than he wanted. Wahhhhhhhh

Suck to be him.

As a buyer, there's nothing you can do to obligate a seller to ship the game if he refuses to do. eBay can put a strike on him and you can leave negative feedback but that's it.

He is not letting him off too easily, he's over it.

aaron7
08-05-2009, 10:37 AM
No, I mean with not leaving him a negative and not reporting him to ebay he's letting him off too easy.

Sleazy sellers like that should NEVER be allowed to sell on ebay. Best thing you can do is let everyone know in his feedback that he can be a problem.

At least everyone here on DP knows better now.

eskobar
08-05-2009, 10:49 AM
No, I mean with not leaving him a negative and not reporting him to ebay he's letting him off too easy.

Sleazy sellers like that should NEVER be allowed to sell on ebay. Best thing you can do is let everyone know in his feedback that he can be a problem.

At least everyone here on DP knows better now.


I don't know if i had given the benefit of doubt to the seller, but an apology is at least a good reason to avoid leaving negative feedback; as i said before; karma will do its job.

Actions always speak louder than words and Skaar acted like a gentleman, since he is the offended, i totally respect his decision.

And for the seller, he didn't learn anything :devilish:

Predatorxs
08-06-2009, 05:37 AM
How do you cancel bids if someone snipes with 2 seconds left?

To me, doing that is just dumb. I'm sure if you left the auction alone, you would have got a reasonable price for it ($200-$300).

That was my whole problem (last second bidders), ebay says the only way to end it is to cancel bids (which is crazy!), the reason i was doing that is there was no reserve (But i had chosen one) cancelling bids is what ebay says to do.

i only had a handful of people watching.. In view of how its turned out, i should have just left the thing alone and let it finish, and it would have saved me a whole lot of trouble. O_O

Skaar however has been a gentleman and i have spoken with him thru PM's

And i'm hoping this thread can be layed to rest, like my future use of ebay.. this was the final straw! with me and ebay. :frustrated:

ZiLL
08-06-2009, 12:11 PM
That was my whole problem (last second bidders), ebay says the only way to end it is to cancel bids (which is crazy!), the reason i was doing that is there was no reserve (But i had chosen one) cancelling bids is what ebay says to do.

i only had a handful of people watching.. In view of how its turned out, i should have just left the thing alone and let it finish, and it would have saved me a whole lot of trouble. O_O

Skaar however has been a gentleman and i have spoken with him thru PM's

And i'm hoping this thread can be layed to rest, like my future use of ebay.. this was the final straw! with me and ebay. :frustrated:

I thought eBay listed all cancelled/retracted bids on the bidding page? I don't see a single one...

monkeychemist
08-06-2009, 04:05 PM
I thought eBay listed all cancelled/retracted bids on the bidding page? I don't see a single one...

I'll answer that: because he is a BIG FAT LIAR!

aaron7
08-06-2009, 04:06 PM
http://www.funnystuffblog.com/images/granny-owned.jpg

skaar
08-06-2009, 04:47 PM
I thought eBay listed all cancelled/retracted bids on the bidding page? I don't see a single one...

I thought that was unusual myself.

eskobar
08-06-2009, 04:56 PM
I thought that was unusual myself.

Maybe the whole eBay system failed when he was canceling bids .... or maybe a hacker removed that information from the eBay listing to make sure that Predatorxs looked as a bay guy :monkey:

Or maybe an strange optical disease attacked everyone that saw that auction and left us "canceled bids-blinded" ..... :monkey:


:bareass:

ryborg
08-06-2009, 09:27 PM
I thought eBay listed all cancelled/retracted bids on the bidding page? I don't see a single one...

This is true for ebay.com, ebay.ca, ebay.uk, etc etc etc.

http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=220453973020

No bids were canceled, you are a horrible liar Predatorxs, etc etc etc.

Sonicwolf
08-06-2009, 09:53 PM
Well, well. I retract my misunderstanding comment.

TonyTheTiger
08-09-2009, 02:04 PM
So does this mean Predatorxs's story is BS? I'll say this, though. Even taking the explanation at face value, I still don't understand how somebody could put up an auction and not check it right away just to make sure everything went through properly, automated system or not. I consider not doing that a lapse in judgment. Maybe it's an understandable lapse in judgment. Lord knows I've had far worse. But as the person who did have the lapse in judgment, the seller should man up and sell the item to a wholly innocent buyer. Not doing so is screwing the buyer over for the seller's brain fart.

And, no, refunding the money does not mean the buyer didn't get screwed. He clearly valued the item higher than he valued the money he was going to pay. That's how economics work. If you'd rather have an item worth $10 more than you'd rather have the actual $10 bill in your wallet, then you buy the item. Therefore, by refunding the money and not shipping the item, the seller prevented the buyer from obtaining the item he held in higher regard. Imagine the reverse. What if the item sold for $500 and the buyer failed to pay? Does that mean the seller didn't get screwed because he still has the item?

ryborg
08-09-2009, 02:21 PM
So does this mean Predatorxs's story is BS?

100% concentrated BS. This is an easily provable fact.

Sonicwolf
08-09-2009, 03:55 PM
We were all right in the first place. He wanted more money so he ended the transaction and will probably relist on a different account at a higher reserve.

skaar
08-10-2009, 01:13 PM
We were all right in the first place. He wanted more money so he ended the transaction and will probably relist on a different account at a higher reserve.

And I'm not bidding ;)

TonyTheTiger
08-10-2009, 01:20 PM
Considering the guy screwed you out of an auction you won fair and square and then lied about what happened, you've been extraordinarily gracious about the whole ordeal.

I'd love to see Predatorxs actually accept responsibility and admit the real reason why he backed out but something tells me he's not coming in this thread again. I'd never condone doing this but should he put the game up again it would be curiously karmic for the bidding to go as high as he wanted and have the winner not pay.

gokugohandave
08-10-2009, 05:09 PM
its not the same but still
http://cgi.ebay.com/Star-Fox-Super-Weekend-Official-Competition-Cartridge_W0QQitemZ280383522578QQcmdZViewItemQQptZ Video_Games_Games?hash=item4148290712&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

The 1 2 P
08-10-2009, 05:09 PM
I'd love to see Predatorxs actually accept responsibility and admit the real reason why he backed out

Well he pretty much already admitted that he canceled(or was trying to cancel) bids because the item was at a much lower price than he wanted to sell it for. So he's saying that he wanted more money.



should he put the game up again it would be curiously karmic for the bidding to go as high as he wanted and have the winner not pay.

If you look at his very first post of this thread you'll see that something similiar already happened to him. He said that near the end of the auction(the first time he listed it) bidders started to cancel their bids for no apparent reason. Rather or not that is true is beyond my knowledge at this point, but it reminds me of the time Joe listed a factory sealed Chrono Trigger that shot up past $1000 in the first two days. But during the next four days the top three or four people mysteriously started canceling their bids, bringing the games value back down(although it eventually ended for the norm).

Anyway, I know that Predatorxs ended the auction early because he wanted more money for it. While I don't think that in itself is wrong, the fact that skaar got screwed is definitely not cool. However, whats done is done and theres really no reason to keep bumping this thread. Skaar left a negative on ebay and the DP community now knows about his actions. Mayhem also said that some action would be taken as a warning to other DP memebers about him. So I think we'll done as much as we can at this point.

eskobar
08-10-2009, 05:21 PM
Well he pretty much already admitted that he canceled(or was trying to cancel) bids because the item was at a much lower price than he wanted to sell it for. So he's saying that he wanted more money.

If you look at his very first post of this thread you'll see that something similiar already happened to him. He said that near the end of the auction(the first time he listed it) bidders started to cancel their bids for no apparent reason. Rather or not that is true is beyond my knowledge at this point, but it reminds me of the time Joe listed a factory sealed Chrono Trigger that shot up past $1000 in the first two days. But during the next four days the top three or four people mysteriously started canceling their bids, bringing the games value back down(although it eventually ended for the norm).

Anyway, I know that Predatorxs ended the auction early because he wanted more money for it. While I don't think that in itself is wrong, the fact that skaar got screwed is definitely not cool. However, whats done is done and theres really no reason to keep bumping this thread. Skaar left a negative on ebay and the DP community now knows about his actions. Mayhem also said that some action would be taken as a warning to other DP memebers about him. So I think we'll done as much as we can at this point.



Did you read the thread ?

He didn't ended the listing early ... you cannot close an auction on the last 12 hours.

He didn't cancel any bids .... check the bid history.

Skaar didn't leave negative, i have checked the feedback of "manchesterbabe".

The canceled bids of the first listing of the game appear as 1 and 1.50 £ ... check the auction link on his feedback.

The 1 2 P
08-10-2009, 05:26 PM
Did you read the thread ?

He didn't ended the listing early ... you cannot close an auction on the last 12 hours.

He didn't cancel any bids .... check the bid history.

Skaar didn't leave negative, i have checked the feedback of "manchesterbabe".

The canceled bids of the first listing of the game appear as 1 and 1.50 £ ... check the auction link on his feedback.

I hadn't looked at his feedback but skaar said there was nothing he could do but leave negative so I thought he already left it. I already know about him not canceling bids and the 12 hour rule from ebay. But it still doesn't change the point: constantly bumping this everyday isn't doing anything new. However, the fact that someone just posted the relisted auction is good because it warns members about him. But beyond that we already know what he did to skaar.

skaar
08-10-2009, 06:26 PM
I never did leave the neg since I said I wouldn't, but that was also before the whole realization that cancelled bids are supposed to show on the listing/etc.

It's still sitting on my ebay page and I'm not too sure how to make it go away. Constant reminders that "Payment is due" is starting to irk me.

monkeychemist
08-10-2009, 07:02 PM
I think it's time for a neg. It's only fair after all this. If you word it correctly, it may help a bidder choose to not bid and suffer the same situation you did.

Cornelius
08-10-2009, 07:33 PM
Can someone point me to an auction where it shows canceled bids? Ebay's help doesn't say anything about it, and I don't feel like searching until I see an auction where it has happened.

eskobar
08-10-2009, 08:12 PM
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220433055795


Check bid history ...

slidee
08-11-2009, 03:15 AM
Heheh

Cornelius
08-11-2009, 08:15 AM
oops, didn't see those before.

eskobar
08-11-2009, 10:13 AM
oops, didn't see those before.

This wasn't the auction that skaar won ... it was the first listing of the item; i imagine he did the same.

Vroomfunkel
08-11-2009, 06:29 PM
From my experience, most sellers on ebay.uk are douchebags like this one so I just avoid it all together..

Can't decide. Are you a troll, or just an ignorant asshole?

Given that, "your experience" is likely to amount to interaction with considerably less than 0.001% of Ebay UK sellers, on what possible justifiable basis can you assert that "most sellers" on eBay UK are 'douchebags'?

Sonicwolf
08-11-2009, 10:29 PM
Are you a troll, or just an ignorant asshole?

He is being both. I have found in dealing with people in the UK is that they have an amazing postal system and are very polite and prompt with information and notification.

The 1 2 P
08-12-2009, 01:47 AM
He is being both. I have found in dealing with people in the UK is that they have an amazing postal system and are very polite and prompt with information and notification.

Ditto. I've only had one problem from a dude in the UK not paying. The other 20-50 transactions went very smoothly. As a matter of fact, international bidders make up atleast a third of all my ebay business and the Uk is the second international country I do the most business with.

skaar
08-18-2009, 11:46 PM
Negative feedback left (after the revelations about cancelled bids not showing up... I'd had enough.)

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn129/allegra_lia/hook_bad_form.jpg

TonyTheTiger
08-19-2009, 12:04 AM
Sorry that all happened. You're a stand up guy and don't deserve to be jerked around like that.

Baloo
08-19-2009, 01:11 AM
I agree. Sucks that the dude backed out like that.

Well, it seems that his standing will go to shit now.

The 1 2 P
08-19-2009, 03:51 AM
Sorry that all happened. You're a stand up guy and don't deserve to be jerked around like that.

Agreed. I sold skaar some games a few months ago and I couldn't have asked for a better, quicker or smoother transaction:)

monkeychemist
08-19-2009, 08:09 AM
Negative feedback left (after the revelations about cancelled bids not showing up... I'd had enough.)

very nice! I hope it helps people see who this jerk is. I'm sorry the sale didn't work out for you Skaar