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Diatribal Deity
08-14-2009, 06:23 PM
Of the few personalities and channels I occasionally watch...this one is pretty devastating. Happy Console Gamer actually was responsible for really highlighting this enthusiast of our hobby after receiving a duo and other items from him. Others may have found him before. Maybe it was his genuine magnetic personality that came across, the variety of his vids, or his willingness to just share his experiences living in Japan, but whatever it was, Luke in my book had star quality. Ironically, all of this ended up contributing to the situation he is in now and somewhere in the mess is probably a lesson for us all.

Check out his channel and previous videos as they are pretty amazing...but I warn you that final vid is gutwrenching.

http://www.youtube.com/user/lukemorse1

tubeway
08-14-2009, 06:27 PM
I caught this video today as well, and it really was painful to watch. His personality was usually so optimistic and happy....

Snapple
08-14-2009, 06:47 PM
I've never heard of this guy, so I watched a couple of his old happy videos then watched the final video.

Sad cautionary tale. Maybe his wife will take him back if he gets rid of all the games. Or maybe there was a deeper issue there.

eskobar
08-14-2009, 07:08 PM
For some people, videogames are a Life of Death matter ... and for some people it was much more.

Its quite sad because many of us can be in a similar situation.

Good luck for him, this will be a void that will be too hard to fill.

Kitsune Sniper
08-14-2009, 07:27 PM
Who?

Seriously, who?

PapaStu
08-14-2009, 07:28 PM
Sad cautionary tale. Maybe his wife will take him back if he gets rid of all the games. Or maybe there was a deeper issue there.


I'm sure that dumping all the games will not get her to immedately take him back. It could be the start of a process, but one that will not happen just because he liquidates games. Besides, a straight liquidation will probably make him a very bitter person because I highly doubt that if he got rid of the games that everything would be all better and if he went into it hoping that it would solve the problem, he'd just end up even more upset.

The line he gave about talking to his dad and that people are there, things break get lost, stolen ect... shows that he had been going down this path for a LONG time.

ooXxXoo
08-14-2009, 07:43 PM
Even though, I don't know the guy....I feel for him...Hope his situation and everything else will be ok at the end of the day...
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emceelokey
08-14-2009, 07:50 PM
He killed his wife and child!

JohnnyBlaze
08-14-2009, 07:59 PM
Not to be mean or nothing but it's time for a dose of real life:

I don't know his situation but this is why you find someone who is interested in the same things you are. Say if you like video games, find someone who's interested. Also, it's really important that you understand each other. To me, it sounded like she didn't like his hobby at all. But, hey it happens. You find a girl who's right and as time goes on, after you see her true colors, she becomes a monster. Same with men. We are the same way sometimes. But, you have to weather the storm sometimes. It's life.

I'm not saying he's completely innocent. But, he should think about everything before he talks about it. If you just think about it for a few hours, it doesn't really add up. This is something that requires a lot of thought. It's natural to feel like you were selfish after the breakup of a marriage or relationship. But, it takes a while to truly decide if you were or not.

You shouldn't have to give up something you enjoy to cater to others. If that person doesn't accept you for who you are, then they do not love you. If you truly love someone, you will accept their beliefs, hobbies, and shortcomings. If you want a movie star, date one. If you want a Playboy model, date one. Don't come in to a relationship expecting people to change. That simply will not happen. Do NOT change yourself to suit others. The only time you should change yourself is when it is really necessary(i.e. a smoker quitting, an alcoholic giving up booze, etc).

The only person that will always be there for you is you. Wives and husbands can split. Family and friends can turn their backs on you. Trust me, that's all happened to me. These are life lessons that I've learned the hard way.

But, on the other side of the coin, do not indulge yourself too much. When you find someone you truly love and she truly loves you, be attentive. When she needs you, be there. Same for you ladies. When we need you, be by OUR sides. That seems to be a common misconception, that we as men do not need the support of our women. We do.

If you truly love each other, divorce is NOT an option. You should be able to work things out between each other, no matter HOW bad it is. If you don't, then splitting up is the best idea. But, either way, you should TRY to work it out before you call it hopeless.

Balance is the key to a healthy relationship. If you're in one right now, you can save yourselves the pain that he obviously has:

Take a quick quiz. Both of you, ask these questions to yourselves:

1. Do you really love her/him?

2. Can you live without her/him?

3. If it is truly needed, would you give up everything to remain with her/him?

4. Do you guys love to spend time together?

5. Do you let her/him hang out with your friends on occasion?

6. When requested, can you give each other space? For example, if you want to be alone with the boys, can she fall back and give you that space?

7. Do you share your biggest interests together and accept them and/or encourage them? For example, if you love video games, can you take her to NAVA and still have a good time?

8. Can you freely share your problems with one another?

9. Do you really trust one another?

10. When around the opposite sex, can you let her/him associate with them? For example, if she wants to go to a club with her girlfriends and they dance with other guys, will you be jealous?


If you answered "YES" to most of these, you're okay. If you answered "NO" to a couple, no big deal. If you answered "NO" to MOST of these, it's time to re-evaluate the relationship. Maybe it's not worth your time any more.

I feel his pain, but I'd give him time to heal. Let's see how he plays this out. I'm hoping that he reads this forum and this post. I also hope that this post helps anyone out in a relationship/marriage.

This is a huge cause of mine. I hate seeing people sad and destroyed because of a relationship gone wrong. It was the biggest cause of my downfall last summer. I didn't follow my own advice and got stabbed in the back. I was a fool for giving this girl chance upon chance.

It brought me down so much that I had a heart attack from all the energy drinks and stuff I was doing to numb the pain. After that, I've become sort of an advocate for healthy relationships. It's bad enough I suffered. I don't ever want to see anyone suffer like I did.

BTW, emceelokey, I'm a wrestling fan and had to endure the whole "Benoit situation". Joking about that isn't exactly funny.

InsaneDavid
08-14-2009, 09:13 PM
Take a quick quiz. Both of you, ask these questions to yourselves:

1. Do you really love her/him?

2. Can you live without her/him?

3. If it is truly needed, would you give up everything to remain with her/him?

4. Do you guys love to spend time together?

5. Do you let her/him hang out with your friends on occasion?

6. When requested, can you give each other space? For example, if you want to be alone with the boys, can she fall back and give you that space?

7. Do you share your biggest interests together and accept them and/or encourage them? For example, if you love video games, can you take her to NAVA and still have a good time?

8. Can you freely share your problems with one another?

9. Do you really trust one another?

10. When around the opposite sex, can you let her/him associate with them? For example, if she wants to go to a club with her girlfriends and they dance with other guys, will you be jealous?


If you answered "YES" to most of these, you're okay. If you answered "NO" to a couple, no big deal. If you answered "NO" to MOST of these, it's time to re-evaluate the relationship. Maybe it's not worth your time any more.

Thanks, Sue Johanson.

A Black Falcon
08-15-2009, 12:30 AM
You shouldn't have to give up something you enjoy to cater to others. If that person doesn't accept you for who you are, then they do not love you. If you truly love someone, you will accept their beliefs, hobbies, and shortcomings. If you want a movie star, date one. If you want a Playboy model, date one. Don't come in to a relationship expecting people to change. That simply will not happen. Do NOT change yourself to suit others. The only time you should change yourself is when it is really necessary(i.e. a smoker quitting, an alcoholic giving up booze, etc).

Yeah, I was definitely thinking this after watching that earlier today. If somebody doesn't respect you and your interests, what's the point? Completely change yourself to be someone you aren't just for them? Some people do that, but it's not usually a happy situation on either side...

And I know the stereotype is usually of women trying to do this to men, but it absolutely goes the other way as well. Either way though, if the person you're with won't respect your most important interests... yes, people matter more than things. But it's not just about the things. On the issue of just playing games, as opposed to buying them...


I guess it just comes down to if people believe that videogames are a negative, destructive force. And looking at a good number of the replies I saw on Youtube, a lot of people, even gamers, do seem to think that deep down... "gaming is a bad thing really, giving it up would be for my betterment". Because isn't that the idea there, that stopping playing games would make you a better person? But why would anyone who likes this industry think that way? I don't, and I don't think people should, either.

On the issue of BUYING games too much though, that I could understand better if it was a really bad situation. Was he spending way too much on games, going into debt or using all his earnings buying a fifth PC Engine instead of saving anything or something? How big were his monthly credit card bills versus how much he made... it doesn't need to be that bad, just enough to be an issue. Those are kinds of things that can split people apart, no matter how much they respect the other person's interests. My suspicion is on the 'games are bad' issue though more than this one, and that's the same take that a lot of people on youtube and such are reacting to it as... except without this criticism of the basic premise. I mean yes, ignoring people to do things with the internet as an issue... sure. But was it just that, or was it more than that, "that he buys and plays games at all"?

Oh, and of course, it's quite likely that other factors were involved as well. There usually are multiple issues that would cause that kind of thing, and blame on both sides, not just one thing. We don't know, and won't, because that's personal stuff he certainly doesn't need to tell the world about.

But yeah, if it actually does have something to do with just the basic "playing games is a bad thing", I definitely have a problem with that attitude. Games should not be considered a shameful thing to be hidden anymore.


Don't come in to a relationship expecting people to change. That simply will not happen. Do NOT change yourself to suit others. The only time you should change yourself is when it is really necessary(i.e. a smoker quitting, an alcoholic giving up booze, etc).

Indeed. Which is why the question here is, why do so many people still think that videogames are something that should be added to that list?

nhm
08-15-2009, 12:42 AM
I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, but I think some people really don't understand how a relationship, marriage, or family dynamic work. The "never give in, never surrender" attitude will make most people very sad and very lonely at the end of the day.

Hawksmoor
08-15-2009, 02:00 AM
I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, but I think some people really don't understand how a relationship, marriage, or family dynamic work. The "never give in, never surrender" attitude will make most people very sad and very lonely at the end of the day.

I couldn't agree more. A strong relationship is predicated on a lot of things; trust, communication, understanding, and *compromise*. I absolutely love video games or I wouldn't be here, but it's ridiculous to expect a spouse to take a backseat to a hobby. She may well have thought gaming was great, but that doesn't mean she would be okay with her husband devoting the vast preponderance of his free time to it at her and their child's expense.

Moderation is important, and if you are consumed with games (to the exclusion of all else) your relationships will invariably suffer as a result. It is a situation reminiscent of the many anecdotes we've all heard about WoW players that ended up losing their wives and children, much like Mr. Morse apparently has. Asking a wife and child to accept a husband and father who places a hobby above them is ridiculous and unreasonable.

Snapple
08-15-2009, 02:16 AM
I agree with nhm and Hawksmoor and disagree then with BlackFalcon and JohnnyBlaze.

You can't be an unloving asshole to your family and then blame THEM for not "accepting who you are." Liking video games is fine. Ignoring the needs of your family in order to obsess over video games is not okay. Relationships require work. I doubt anyone who thinks you can do whatever the Hell you want in a relationship has been in a long-term relationship.

retrocollectorguy
08-15-2009, 02:26 AM
Not to sound arrogant or anything, but I was looking over this guys videos and he had nearly 800 of them! If you have this many then its really time to get a reality check because that is just going overboard to the limit, Especially if you have a wife and kids. It finally dawned on him but is was too late in his case. He should of looked at himself from another persons perspective and see this coming...

Berserker
08-15-2009, 02:29 AM
I found out about Lukemorse1 originally through a mention in a HappyConsoleGamer video, which was basically the only video game-related youtube channel I watched regularly, but soon after Luke's channel quickly superseded HCG as my favorite in that regard.

He updated SO often that usually every day that I'd check there'd be some new interesting thing to see. Lots of obscure stuff, obscure Japanese consoles and tips on how to do repairs, mods, or even just something simple like how to take apart and clean/refurbish cartridges.

He came across as a genuinely good guy who just loved old video games and wanted to share that with other like-minded folks. At one point a bunch of people were sending him all kinds of free games/consoles just to see his reaction when he opened them up on-camera. It was fun to watch.

I'll miss his updates, but I think he's doing the right thing by sort of bowing out gracefully and trying to pull his family back together. I wish him the best of luck.

A Black Falcon
08-15-2009, 02:30 AM
I agree with nhm and Hawksmoor and disagree then with BlackFalcon and JohnnyBlaze.

You can't be an unloving asshole to your family and then blame THEM for not "accepting who you are." Liking video games is fine. Ignoring the needs of your family in order to obsess over video games is not okay. Relationships require work. I doubt anyone who thinks you can do whatever the Hell you want in a relationship has been in a long-term relationship.

You really think that things wouldn't be different if it was a more "socially acceptable" thing he was spending his time and money on?

I mean, it's possible that it's JUST the time issue as you say (of course balance and spending time with family members are important things you can't ignore), but I really doubt it... that was likely one part, but very unlikely to be all of it I think. And that's my point -- not about how much time he spent or didn't spend with his family versus Youtube (though I do think that interacting with people online counts as a kind of interaction too, of course, your family is more important), but about how common negative attitudes towards videogames are and how central an issue that is in a lot of cases like that, I think.

... I mean, yes, not always, not when someone is really ignoring family members and they don't like that. But really, if it was something not popularly stigmatized, I think there would be a LOT less complaints across the board. "You know, they're doing something worthwhile or at least accepted...".


I found out about Lukemorse1 originally through a mention in a HappyConsoleGamer video, which was basically the only video game-related youtube channel I watched regularly, but soon after Luke's channel quickly superseded HCG as my favorite in that regard.

He updated SO often that usually every day that I'd check there'd be some new interesting thing to see. Lots of obscure stuff, obscure Japanese consoles and tips on how to do repairs, mods, or even just something simple like how to take apart and clean/refurbish cartridges.

He came across as a genuinely good guy who just loved old video games and wanted to share that with other like-minded folks. At one point a bunch of people were sending him all kinds of free games/consoles just to see his reaction when he opened them up on-camera. It was fun to watch.

I'll miss his updates, but I think he's doing the right thing by sort of bowing out gracefully and trying to pull his family back together. I wish him the best of luck.

That stuff kind of annoyed me, why send someone who has so much stuff ... more stuff? I mean, there are so many more deserving people out there... they just don't have channels with lots of subscribers. I don't know, it just didn't seem quite fair. I know he didn't ask for it, really, (just 'maybe send me some broken things' or something like that at one point), but still.

... I'm not saying this because I wish I was getting it or something, sure it'd be cool but I have quite a lot of games, hundreds and hundreds. I'm sure there are a lot of people out there who don't and would be really happy to get just about anything.

Berserker
08-15-2009, 02:55 AM
That stuff kind of annoyed me, why send someone who has so much stuff ... more stuff? I mean, there are so many more deserving people out there... they just don't have channels with lots of subscribers. I don't know, it just didn't seem quite fair. I know he didn't ask for it, really, (just 'maybe send me some broken things' or something like that at one point), but still.

... I'm not saying this because I wish I was getting it or something, sure it'd be cool but I have quite a lot of games, hundreds and hundreds. I'm sure there are a lot of people out there who don't and would be really happy to get just about anything.

I'm not them, but I'd imagine they sent it because it was theirs to give, and they knew it would be genuinely appreciated and taken care of.

Ed Oscuro
08-15-2009, 04:21 AM
I think that's one of those things that would have better been left unwritten. It's a free country, after all.

Best of luck to the dude.

Icarus Moonsight
08-15-2009, 05:53 AM
It's a sad thing, but gaming can not be the sole reason why these things occur. It's just a convenient scapegoat. Personal relationships are extremely dynamic and people like to assign blame. Something that can't argue or rationalize itself (games) are a soft target for this desire to blame. Either one of them could be assigning the blame to games. Anyway, it's on the two adults involved. They need to figure it out or part for good.

Bummer all around, good channel.

OldSchoolGamer
08-15-2009, 06:01 AM
It's a sad thing, but gaming can not be the sole reason why these things occur. It's just a convenient scapegoat. Personal relationships are extremely dynamic and people like to assign blame. Something that can't argue or rationalize itself (games) are a soft target for this desire to blame. Either one of them could be assigning the blame to games. Anyway, it's on the two adults involved. They need to figure it out or part for good.

Bummer all around, good channel.

Sure it can, if gaming and indulging his Youtube community was 99% of his life to the point of neglecting his wife and child then it may very well of been the sole reason of this unfortunate situation.......like anything, even something good it must be in moderation and not at the expense of loved ones.

Icarus Moonsight
08-15-2009, 08:38 AM
No, in that case the problem would be irresponsible time management. If that were actually the case, he wouldn't even be aware that his family left. Hence, no bye bye video.

Nionel
08-15-2009, 08:50 AM
It was sad to see him go, but I'm sure that it was more than just his gaming hobby. He mentioned numerous times in his older videos that he bought pretty much everything with credit cards, so I'm sure it was partially (if not entirely) due to financial issues as well. I mean, if it was just a matter if him spending too much time on YouTube or gaming, couldn't that have been solved by simply asking him not to do it as much? Besides that, I'm sure she knew about his gaming habits before they were married so it's not like this popped up over night. I don't think the guy should have to give up gaming entirely if that's his passion, I think it would be unfair of his wife to ask him to stop doing something he loves, but he should have spent more time with his family, I mean, it's not like it's hard to set down your controller (or camera) and spend a few hours each day with your loved ones.

Either way, I enjoyed his videos and I'll miss watching them, but I can't blame him for making the choice he made, the guy's wife left him. If something like that happened to me I wouldn't have any ambition to much of anything myself.

Lady Jaye
08-15-2009, 08:54 AM
Well, I liked his videos, but I was surprised to learn that he had a wife and child because of all the time he spent making new videos. Don't get me wrong, I found his videos really interesting and learned a lot from them, but when you look at the sheer number that he put up in a short amount of time, you can see that a good chunk of his free time was used making them. In that context, it's easy to understand how his wife might have felt left out, especially if she herself isn't a gamer. I sure hope that he can make up with her and get his family back and that he'd be able to do so without wholly sacrificing his hobby (one video per week could have been fine).

In any case, I hope this really isn't his last video and that he will make some more (all the while taking care of his personal issues). Who knows?

fahlim003
08-15-2009, 11:14 AM
The man uploaded nearly 800 videos over 9 months. If that's not extremely consuming, I don't know what is. His priorities were clearly not straight at all, but that doesn't mean that this is the only reason. However, it sure makes for a negative point to add onto the conflict.

While I don't think the man is/was an addict, he didn't seem far from it, and like an addict it's very possible to ignore and or supercede things that are actually important (hygene, family, etc..) for the addiction. Video games, like anything (although a more recent popular target) can become addictions. The man, if anything, certainly didn't do this hobby in moderation as evidenced by the sheer volume of electronics, games, and videos he has and that's never a good thing.

I hope whatever his problems unaddressed were get resolved as losing ones family is a lousy scenario. To that point, I'm not surprised he's stopping the videos as he's likely going to re-evaluate his life and what really matters. I kind of doubt uploading one-hundred videos per month on video games is that important or pertinent.

jcalder8
08-15-2009, 11:54 AM
It's sad that he is going through it but hopefully he'll learn from this. Without knowing more details it's impossible to tell what caused the relationship to fail.
That's about all I have to say about the relationship part of it.

Did anyone else think it was funny that he was talking about how video games took over his life in front of 2 arcade machines?

TheRedEye
08-15-2009, 12:03 PM
I don't know his situation but this is why you find someone who is interested in the same things you are. Say if you like video games, find someone who's interested.

I disagree with this entirely. I'm finally dating someone who isn't all that interested in video games, and it's awesome. It turns out I don't like dating myself as much as I like dating other people.

MachineGex
08-15-2009, 12:27 PM
As my father always told me; "Moderation is the key to happiness".
This guy seems to take stuff to the extremes. My god, 800+ videos? Then, instead of doing one or two a week, he goes to right to zero.

Atarileaf
08-15-2009, 12:40 PM
I've only heard of him recently through some of the other people I subscribed to but it makes you wonder if it was the sheer volume of his videos that made him popular. He did seem to have a nice personality, seemed like a nice guy. Maybe its because he was in Japan and had access to some stuff that most of us don't that made his videos compelling.

I don't have many subscribers but I don't post daily. Once a week, maybe. One guy I subscribe to seems to post a half dozen times a day, just about anything that pops into his head. Its nuts. I log onto youtube after a few days and there's dozens of videos from ONE PERSON.

Perhaps Luke was like this. I can understand how this would cause a huge rift with his family. And its not just the videos, its the time it takes to go out to these places and film them all, not to mention the gaming itself. So when he wasn't working, it seems most of his time was taken up with youtube and video games.

Sad lesson, I hope it works out for him.

tubeway
08-15-2009, 01:28 PM
Just for clarification, the reason Luke can upload so many videos is because

1. He doesn't edit them. He lets the camera run for 4 to 9 minutes straight without any cuts. No logo, intro, music, or anything else.

2. About half of his videos are just gameplay footage with him pointing the camera at a television. And then many of those that are not, are footage of him walking through a store, talking into the mic.

But when you consider the amount of time he probably spent on this hobby that wasn't being filmed, it's easy to see how it could impact the rest of his life.

And "I like video games and that's who I am" rebellious 15 year old mentality exhibited by others in this thread is pretty disturbing and imo indicative of someone that's never been in a long term relationship. Doesn't work that way, guys. And dating someone with different interests can often work out just as well, since they expose you to new concepts and ideas. It's sick when some people try to make every aspect of their life tie into video games.

Diatribal Deity
08-15-2009, 01:32 PM
I think what has made him compelling is his evolution into a competent, articulate and natural presence. Some of his best videos did not even involve games, like his quest for a McDog, when he attempted to strap his camera onto his RC Cars, or when just trying to play games with his young son while trying to balance the camera. He brought a different level of immersion into his videos.

I have not seen all of his videos (not even close) but I did pick up on a few clues (as he seemed to wear some emotion on his sleeve albeit mostly positive while he was filming). He mentioned he likes to drink to this day and as he points out beer cans/bottles can be strewn about some of his vids. He has been living in Japan for quite awhile (I believe 6-8 years) and admitted to having a pretty active social life in prior years. He was acquiring much of his stuff through the use of credit cards and much more recently his child got sick and was in the hospital. I imagine their are some considerable bills associated with his stay. I can also assume that living overseas, there was probably a bit of added isolation for his wife from family and friends.

I'm sure there are numerous "kid in a candy store" and "you don't know what you've got 'till its gone" analogies that will come out of this but based on the number of tribute vids popping up now it seems their will be a much more extensive audience out there that will benefit from his last vid. Luke was able to fix a lot of things in his life but his biggest challenge is yet to come. I wish him the best.

GuyinGA
08-15-2009, 10:31 PM
I watched some of Luke's videos now and there was one that creeped me out entirely. It's where he was wondering around in Hard Off after his child had went to the hospital 'just to get his mind off of it for awhile.' I don't really know what Luke's life must have been like, but I'm not sure he knew when to say when. Especially when he starts buying dupes of games because 'it may not work' or 'I just have the cart', etc.

I think it's a little ridiculous for anyone in a relationship to force his/her partner to make a choice of "it's either this or me" and act like they are suppose to just magically change. I'm not saying that gaming is an addiction, but if it's undesirable or creating a problem, showing more understanding than that is not hard (unless there are things about Luke's life we don't see).

Mathius
08-16-2009, 12:58 AM
Did anyone else think it was funny that he was talking about how video games took over his life in front of 2 arcade machines?

I can see the humor in it, but didn't think it was necessarily funny considering.

Kevincal
08-16-2009, 12:58 AM
The main thing is, was his gaming hobby / addiction the SAME when his girl met / married him?! Did she know what she was getting into...? If the answer is yes, and it probably is, then shame on her... It's obvious he is a good guy with a good heart. We can tell these things I believe. My guess is he just wanted like minded friends to share his love with games with. I think that's why a lot of us make YouTube videos. We are trying to connect to like-minded people. Is that such a bad thing? Maybe it's possible he was neglecting other things in life, but I seriously doubt it was to the degree that gave his significant other the right to up and leave him. This is one of the things that pisses me off the most these days. People (almost always woman) break up families for the dumbest damned reasons... "OMG, he's playing videogames and making too many movies.. I'm.. LEAVING?!"

Seriously, I feel like saying, "atleast he's not beating you and your kids ass or abusing you in some other way". WOMEN THESE DAYS. As you can probably tell, I've experienced my share of broken relationships where the woman was always the culprit and always had a jackass reason for leaving / screwing up a family / relationship / breaking people's heart over STUPID reasons that are easily fixable... Have a good night! LOL..

nhm
08-16-2009, 01:22 AM
The main thing is, was his gaming hobby / addiction the SAME when his girl met / married him?! Did she know what she was getting into...? If the answer is yes, and it probably is, then shame on her... It's obvious he is a good guy with a good heart. We can tell these things I believe. My guess is he just wanted like minded friends to share his love with games with. I think that's why a lot of us make YouTube videos. We are trying to connect to like-minded people. Is that such a bad thing? Maybe it's possible he was neglecting other things in life, but I seriously doubt it was to the degree that gave his significant other the right to up and leave him. This is one of the things that pisses me off the most these days. People (almost always woman) break up families for the dumbest damned reasons... "OMG, he's playing videogames and making too many movies.. I'm.. LEAVING?!"

Seriously, I feel like saying, "atleast he's not beating you and your kids ass or abusing you in some other way". WOMEN THESE DAYS. As you can probably tell, I've experienced my share of broken relationships where the woman was always the culprit and always had a jackass reason for leaving / screwing up a family / relationship / breaking people's heart over STUPID reasons that are easily fixable... Have a good night! LOL..


Really, you don't think it was to the degree that his wife would leave him? 9 months and 800 videos. That's 3 videos a day, 7 days a week. Add that on top of work, collecting, playing, etc, and I don't see how he would have ANY time for family.

"At least he's not beating you..." Are you SURE it was always the womans fault for leaving?

Mianrtcv
08-16-2009, 01:42 AM
I feel bad for all involved. Things happen... Usually it is never seen coming... (not to say there were not signs, just that sometimes people keep things wrapped tight and then everything explodes).

Tupin
08-16-2009, 01:57 AM
Wow, that's sad. Everything in moderation.

That Hard-Off store seemed really cool, though.

A Black Falcon
08-16-2009, 02:32 AM
Really, you don't think it was to the degree that his wife would leave him? 9 months and 800 videos. That's 3 videos a day, 7 days a week. Add that on top of work, collecting, playing, etc, and I don't see how he would have ANY time for family.

"At least he's not beating you..." Are you SURE it was always the womans fault for leaving?

But again, he did unedited videos with no intros or anything. They obviously took very little time to produce. It's not like he had to spend hours a day to produce what we saw... maybe he was spending that kind of time on it, who knows, but from what we actually saw, there's no reason to believe this. See Atarileaf's post above...


I think what has made him compelling is his evolution into a competent, articulate and natural presence. Some of his best videos did not even involve games, like his quest for a McDog, when he attempted to strap his camera onto his RC Cars, or when just trying to play games with his young son while trying to balance the camera. He brought a different level of immersion into his videos.

I have not seen all of his videos (not even close) but I did pick up on a few clues (as he seemed to wear some emotion on his sleeve albeit mostly positive while he was filming). He mentioned he likes to drink to this day and as he points out beer cans/bottles can be strewn about some of his vids. He has been living in Japan for quite awhile (I believe 6-8 years) and admitted to having a pretty active social life in prior years. He was acquiring much of his stuff through the use of credit cards and much more recently his child got sick and was in the hospital. I imagine their are some considerable bills associated with his stay. I can also assume that living overseas, there was probably a bit of added isolation for his wife from family and friends.

I'm sure there are numerous "kid in a candy store" and "you don't know what you've got 'till its gone" analogies that will come out of this but based on the number of tribute vids popping up now it seems their will be a much more extensive audience out there that will benefit from his last vid. Luke was able to fix a lot of things in his life but his biggest challenge is yet to come. I wish him the best.

Yeah, as I said in my first post, I definitely wondered about that credit card stuff as well. Was it the constant spending of money (and often on duplicate games and systems and stuff, not even stuff he didn't own yet) the real problem, not just the game playing and movies? I wouldn't be surprised if it was either. But of course, he was doing this before he was married, so it's not like it'd be a surprise or something -- in the Neo-Geo collection video he mentions that he bought most of them when he was a bachelor, when he had more money to spend on games... so it wasn't something new.


Wow, that's sad. Everything in moderation.

That Hard-Off store seemed really cool, though.

Yeah, definitely. And around here seeing one or two used old consoles of any kind is cool... there there are just stacks of them everywhere. Awesome stuff. I can see why it'd be hard to avoid buying stuff if you had the money. :)

Atarileaf
08-16-2009, 08:26 AM
Yes it was the Hard Off videos that I really enjoyed. And his personality, he always seemed so sunny, happy, and genuinely excited about his finds. It made his videos fun to watch.

And its true, the videos of those stores were incredible. We have nothing like that here, not to the extent he did. For us video game nerds, Luke was the perennial "kid in the candy store" and we reveled in the things he would find.

I'd also like to say, not being too technically inclined myself, I watched his "Fixing the blinking NES" video as I worked on my own. Its now in great working shape, works on the first try now.

I have Luke to thank for that. :)

Flack
08-16-2009, 09:29 AM
There's a difference between "dating/marrying someone who likes what you like" and "completely ignoring the needs of your wife and kid", which is what this guy apparently was doing. There's a time and place for everything.

hush
08-16-2009, 10:55 AM
I have watched the vid and read the posts and its sad what he is going through its not going to be an easy journey
As far as what others have written in regards to the whole "find someone who is into what your into thing" all i will say is i have been with my wife now for 16 years and the only gaming she has done is play wii sports with my son other then that she really shows no interest, now i have been into gaming most of my life i also started collecting comics since i could read (thanks to my uncle kev r.i.p big fella) now she dosnt understand my hobbies but she wont stop me from doing what i enjoy.
We went through some real hard times for the past 2 years i have been in and out of work but i always made sure that i paid my mortgage and put food on the table for my kids, so if that meant selling some of my collection then it was done no ifs or buts my wife never asked or demannded that it be done i just did it.
I have 2 kids my son is 4 and my daughter is 2 i spend as much time as i can with them but once a month i head to my local comic shop and games shop and do my shopping and they come along and show some mild interest in it.
basicly what im trying to say is you can have a strong family life and keep your hobbies but as most have said you just need to keep in mind whats really important a hobbie or your family.

Kid Fenris
08-16-2009, 10:55 AM
And "I like video games and that's who I am" rebellious 15 year old mentality exhibited by others in this thread is pretty disturbing and imo indicative of someone that's never been in a long term relationship.

Bingo. Some of the posts in this thread are almost as depressing as that video.

Atarileaf
08-16-2009, 11:36 AM
True, but just remember that they're mostly just kids (God I hope so).
Hard to take relationship advice from someone's who's balls haven't dropped yet.

FxMercenary
08-16-2009, 12:50 PM
I just got married 3 months ago, and I have been collecting heavily for the past year or so. As soon as my wife told me I need to cut back on collecting, I considered her request, looked at what I was spending and agreed. What is cool, is that she doesnt want me to sell anything because I explained to her that if I ever sold something, I would buy it back again in the future, and probably at a higher price.

Kyle15
08-16-2009, 08:44 PM
That last video is ridiculously sad considering how happy he was in the others.
I hope he can work something out.

Icarus Moonsight
08-16-2009, 11:48 PM
True, but just remember that they're mostly just kids (God I hope so).
Hard to take relationship advice from someone's who's balls haven't dropped yet.

Yeah! Who knew Dr. Love was a castrato? LOL

crom
08-17-2009, 01:15 AM
Lukemorse1: "I lost my wife and kids thanks to my addiction of video games"

Bob Saget: " video games are not an addiction. I used to suck dick for coke. Now that's an addiction. You ever suck some dick for video games?"



im sorry, but, I thought he was going to kill himself or something, so when the video ended I was like... "thats it? his wife left him?" people devorce all the time...

actually %50 of marriages end in devorce so what is the big deal?

if video games wouldnt have ruined his life it would have been hamburgers or scratch tickets...

b4 ppl tell me to have some sampathy I say take all of your worries shove them in sack and live in africa for a month... then tell me about sampathy...psssh, devorce... really now...




matter of fact, the guy is just going to post more videos now that hes going to have even more time alone... ... who wants to bet?

crom
08-17-2009, 01:23 AM
...................

ZiLL
08-17-2009, 02:30 AM
I never watched his videos until his "farewell" video either..but after watching some of his older ones, I can see why his wife left him. He was addicted, and probably spent every last dime he had on games. It's one thing to have a hobby, it's another to be obsessed. You can even hear his kid crying in the background on a ton of his videos, which didn't seem to phase him at all...sad if you ask me.

tubeway
08-17-2009, 02:38 AM
You can even hear his kid crying in the background on a ton of his videos, which didn't seem to phase him at all...sad if you ask me.

Woah, seriously? I never noticed his kid crying in the audio.

But yeah, his rationalizations for buying duplicate games and systems were kind of odd. Like, he'd comment that they just get banged up being tossed around in the drawers at the store, and that he was saving them from being damaged, but it didn't seem like he was making a lot of effort to actually resell them afterwards.

nhm
08-17-2009, 03:35 AM
Ever been married? Or have a child? If you have (and I seriously doubt it) you wouldn't have that juvenile, childish attitude. It isn't just about Luke. What about his son? That poor child just had his entire life changed for the worse. And the most intelligent thing you can come up with is Bob Saget dick sucking jokes? Bravo my friend, bravo.

And yes, I know that quote is from Half Baked.


Lukemorse1: "I lost my wife and kids thanks to my addiction of video games"

Bob Saget: " video games are not an addiction. I used to suck dick for coke. Now that's an addiction. You ever suck some dick for video games?"

[QUOTE=crom;1603055]Lukemorse1: "I lost my wife and kids thanks to my addiction of video games"

Bob Saget: " video games are not an addiction. I used to suck dick for coke. Now that's an addiction. You ever suck some dick for video games?"



im sorry, but, I thought he was going to kill himself or something, so when the video ended I was like... "thats it? his wife left him?" people devorce all the time...

actually %50 of marriages end in devorce so what is the big deal?

if video games wouldnt have ruined his life it would have been hamburgers or scratch tickets...

b4 ppl tell me to have some sampathy I say take all of your worries shove them in sack and live in africa for a month... then tell me about sampathy...psssh, devorce... really now...




matter of fact, the guy is just going to post more videos now that hes going to have even more time alone... ... who wants to bet?

Flack
08-17-2009, 07:47 AM
Lukemorse1: "I lost my wife and kids thanks to my addiction of video games"

Bob Saget: " video games are not an addiction. I used to suck dick for coke. Now that's an addiction. You ever suck some dick for video games?"



im sorry, but, I thought he was going to kill himself or something, so when the video ended I was like... "thats it? his wife left him?" people devorce all the time...

actually %50 of marriages end in devorce so what is the big deal?

if video games wouldnt have ruined his life it would have been hamburgers or scratch tickets...

b4 ppl tell me to have some sampathy I say take all of your worries shove them in sack and live in africa for a month... then tell me about sampathy...psssh, devorce... really now...




matter of fact, the guy is just going to post more videos now that hes going to have even more time alone... ... who wants to bet?

And the Humanitarian Award of the Year goes to ...

crom
08-17-2009, 11:54 AM
maybe I do have a kid, maybe I dont... maybe I am married maybe Im not...

if the guy was addicted to drugs or something and his wife left him, then ok that might be sad...

he was addicted to uploading videos on youtube... cmon man...

and then has the nerve to upload a video called final video when everyone here knows it wont be...


relationships have never been a problem of mine.... ppl divorce all the time, welcome to the next level...

GOLDEN KEYS
08-17-2009, 12:03 PM
maybe I do have a kid, maybe I dont... maybe I am married maybe Im not...

if the guy was addicted to drugs or something and his wife left him, then ok that might be sad...

he was addicted to uploading videos on youtube... cmon man...

and then has the nerve to upload a video called final video when everyone here knows it wont be...


relationships have never been a problem of mine.... ppl devorce all the time, welcome to the next level...

ppl devorce, huh?

crom
08-17-2009, 12:21 PM
yeah they divorce and devorce... depends whichone you want...

the title of this thread says "he will be missed" like he died or something...

almost everyone in my family is divorced, but everyone is still happy...

what I learned from this is, ppl by nature, are lonely... so lonely that they will put logic to the side to cure their loneliness...

ppl will get into relationships with other ppl who dont have the same intrest...

now, you might argue, theres nothing wrong with that, right?

well, yes there is, by getting into that relationship you agree to compremise your own intrest for the sake of fulfilling your loneliness...

weres the logic?

dont say you cant have everything you want out a relationship, only people with no self-esteem say that...

and kids.... well, if your already compremising your own intrest for your partner why would you want to bring kids into the picture?

its like buying a trailer for your smart car, you might think it might work, but you know its not going to work...

Xexyz
08-17-2009, 12:55 PM
I began watching this guys videos after the HappyConsoleGamer listed him in one of his recommendation topics. I honestly am surprised he was married, because he devoted so much time to his hobby. Not only did he post at least one video daily, but they were almost always purchase videos or videos of his thorough (and time consuming) work in bettering the condition of his purchases. He obviously spent a lot of time on video games, and what might be the even bigger problem, a lot of money on them too. Games, even the classic ones, are really expensive in Japan compared to North America and Europe. They seem to retain their value much better in the land of Nippon. The mix of his spending and rampant obsession with the hobby was a mixture for marital disaster. Had I known he was married before hand, I wouldn't have been so surprised about this outcome.

nhm
08-17-2009, 01:29 PM
maybe I do have a kid, maybe I dont... maybe I am married maybe Im not...

if the guy was addicted to drugs or something and his wife left him, then ok that might be sad...

he was addicted to uploading videos on youtube... cmon man...

and then has the nerve to upload a video called final video when everyone here knows it wont be...


relationships have never been a problem of mine.... ppl divorce all the time, welcome to the next level...

1. You are not married.
2. You do not have kids.
3. If 1 and 2 are incorrect, you are a piss poor husband and father.
4. You know nothing about "addiction" of ANY kind, and are a very shitty person for pretending you do.
5. I hope that when you are 45 years old and alone, you remember this (you will be alone, believe me).
6. This is my last post in this thread because, quite frankly, it is pointless. You are a jackass, and it is obvious for everyone to see.

Enigmus
08-17-2009, 01:46 PM
This thread has become a place where everyone screams at each other over Bob Saget jokes. So...
IN
BEFORE
THE
LOCK.

TonyTheTiger
08-17-2009, 02:04 PM
And "I like video games and that's who I am" rebellious 15 year old mentality exhibited by others in this thread is pretty disturbing and imo indicative of someone that's never been in a long term relationship. Doesn't work that way, guys. And dating someone with different interests can often work out just as well, since they expose you to new concepts and ideas. It's sick when some people try to make every aspect of their life tie into video games.

Signed.

I'll never understand how people can define their relationships (or their lives) by a hobby. In what universe is a relationship more likely to work out because both people can play Super Mario Bros.?


Yeah, I was definitely thinking this after watching that earlier today. If somebody doesn't respect you and your interests, what's the point? Completely change yourself to be someone you aren't just for them? Some people do that, but it's not usually a happy situation on either side...

Since when does "don't be obsessed with a hobby" equate to "I want to change everything about you"? We're all clearly far removed from the actual details but from what we do know this does not sound like a harpy of a woman demanding that her husband not do anything at all related to a hobby she doesn't approve of.


I guess it just comes down to if people believe that videogames are a negative, destructive force. And looking at a good number of the replies I saw on Youtube, a lot of people, even gamers, do seem to think that deep down... "gaming is a bad thing really, giving it up would be for my betterment". Because isn't that the idea there, that stopping playing games would make you a better person? But why would anyone who likes this industry think that way? I don't, and I don't think people should, either.

Games should not be considered a shameful thing to be hidden anymore.


You really think that things wouldn't be different if it was a more "socially acceptable" thing he was spending his time and money on?

I mean, it's possible that it's JUST the time issue as you say (of course balance and spending time with family members are important things you can't ignore), but I really doubt it... that was likely one part, but very unlikely to be all of it I think. And that's my point -- not about how much time he spent or didn't spend with his family versus Youtube (though I do think that interacting with people online counts as a kind of interaction too, of course, your family is more important), but about how common negative attitudes towards videogames are and how central an issue that is in a lot of cases like that, I think.

... I mean, yes, not always, not when someone is really ignoring family members and they don't like that. But really, if it was something not popularly stigmatized, I think there would be a LOT less complaints across the board. "You know, they're doing something worthwhile or at least accepted...".

I'm sorry but I think this attitude is part of the problem. This overly defensive martyr complex that "I like video games and pay the price for it" is what drives people to side with a damn hobby over human beings because they can't see the other side. They don't recognize that the games have become the primary focus of their existence so any and all attempts to curb that addiction from third parties are seen as somebody trying to take their precious games away from them and "change who they are."

Could you imagine how stupid that would sound coming from an alcoholic? "Stop telling me to go easy on the whiskey. I won't let you change who I am."


The main thing is, was his gaming hobby / addiction the SAME when his girl met / married him?! Did she know what she was getting into...? If the answer is yes, and it probably is, then shame on her...

You make it sound like a gaming addiction is perfectly normal. Gaming hobby/addiction?


I think that's why a lot of us make YouTube videos. We are trying to connect to like-minded people. Is that such a bad thing?

When it becomes your life instead of a small detail within it, then yes.


Maybe it's possible he was neglecting other things in life, but I seriously doubt it was to the degree that gave his significant other the right to up and leave him. This is one of the things that pisses me off the most these days. People (almost always woman) break up families for the dumbest damned reasons... "OMG, he's playing videogames and making too many movies.. I'm.. LEAVING?!"

Any addiction is harmful. I find it unbelievable that so many people here are brushing a gaming addiction aside as essentially "no big deal" when 1) people have died during marathon gaming sessions and 2) replacing "games" with "booze" in all of these statements easily shows how misguided they are.


Seriously, I feel like saying, "atleast he's not beating you and your kids ass or abusing you in some other way". WOMEN THESE DAYS. As you can probably tell, I've experienced my share of broken relationships where the woman was always the culprit and always had a jackass reason for leaving / screwing up a family / relationship / breaking people's heart over STUPID reasons that are easily fixable...

I suppose when in an argument with your significant other saying something along the lines of "Hey, at least I'm not beating you" is one of those easy solutions, right?

"You spend way too much time and money on games."
"Hey, at least I don't beat you."
"Oh...wow...I never thought of it that way. I love you, sweetie."

This dating stuff is easy once you know all the tricks.


"At least he's not beating you..." Are you SURE it was always the womans fault for leaving?

What? You never tried the "At least I'm not beating you" retort? Works every time.

miaandjohnrule
08-17-2009, 02:13 PM
IN
BEFORE
THE
LOCK.

This one has gone downhill. I hope things workout for him. There is much to this story that we really don't know.

crom
08-17-2009, 02:32 PM
1. You are not married.
2. You do not have kids.
3. If 1 and 2 are incorrect, you are a piss poor husband and father.
4. You know nothing about "addiction" of ANY kind, and are a very shitty person for pretending you do.
5. I hope that when you are 45 years old and alone, you remember this (you will be alone, believe me).
6. This is my last post in this thread because, quite frankly, it is pointless. You are a jackass, and it is obvious for everyone to see.

Im the greatest man that ever lived, a jackass?

a jackass is someone who chooses youtube over their family...

portnoyd
08-17-2009, 03:01 PM
800 videos in 9 months? That's fucking 3 a day. I can barely watch 3 youtube videos a day... christ. The dude needed a reality check and he got a big one.

And lol @ crom.

GOLDEN KEYS
08-17-2009, 03:35 PM
yeah they divorce and devorce... depends whichone you want...

the title of this thread says "he will be missed" like he died or something...

almost everyone in my family is divorced, but everyone is still happy...

what I learned from this is, ppl by nature, are lonely... so lonely that they will put logic to the side to cure their loneliness...

ppl will get into relationships with other ppl who dont have the same intrest...

now, you might argue, theres nothing wrong with that, right?

well, yes there is, by getting into that relationship you agree to compremise your own intrest for the sake of fulfilling your loneliness...

weres the logic?

dont say you cant have everything you want out a relationship, only people with no self-esteem say that...

and kids.... well, if your already compremising your own intrest for your partner why would you want to bring kids into the picture?

its like buying a trailer for your smart car, you might think it might work, but you know its not going to work...


i hate when people compremise their intrests.

crom
08-17-2009, 04:17 PM
i hate when people compremise their intrests.

me too 8-)

Emuaust
08-17-2009, 05:08 PM
He has an obsession that led his wife to leaving him, maybe just maybe his wife and kid mean more to him then his obsession and just because so many other marriages end in divorce doesnt mean this guy wants his to end.

Crom when your balls drop and you're at an age to understand how the adult world thinks then come back here and post, otherwise refrain from spamming useless shit.

BHvrd
08-17-2009, 07:18 PM
The fact is he didn't have to confess on video, go to church and do that, otherwise just say "going away for a bit".

Personally I always thought the guy was way to over the top and over exagerrated. He may have meant well by this but what if everyone was to start posting their problems on You Tube? It would be a train wreck.

He could have handled this better imo.

InsaneDavid
08-17-2009, 09:22 PM
...various stupid remarks and detachments from reality...

I've never really fed a troll on the level such as yourself but damn you're a fucking moron dude. Congratulations, you got me not to keep the obvious to myself.

crom
08-17-2009, 10:11 PM
im an asshole...

I apologize for not caring,

geeze, I feel like im in the romper room, lets all hold hands and sing happy songs...

life isnt fair... look, im sorry some of you took lukemorse1 situation to heart...

Im sorry for speaking what was on my mind, I should have not commented if I didnt have anything good to say...

I like playing devils advocate, I like spicing up situations...

murdoc rose
08-17-2009, 10:14 PM
hmm... this guy must be newer to the hobby however he has a valid point

GOLDEN KEYS
08-17-2009, 11:15 PM
I've never really fed a troll on the level such as yourself but damn you're a fucking moron dude. Congratulations, you got me not to keep the obvious to myself.

i think the sad part is he is 27 years old... I seriously thought there was no way he could possibly be older than 15-18 tops.

Diatribal Deity
08-17-2009, 11:16 PM
I actually started this thread originally, not so much because of his final video, but moreso to bring attention to his previous videos. I understand by posting that final vid, he opened himself to a lot of criticism. I would hope that most are checking out his prior vids as there are a lot of interesting semi-reviews, repair/refurb tips, and just some general interesting experiences he was having in Japan (I have never been, and it seemed intriguing to me).

It is way too easy to comment on that final video and pass judgement. Lukemorse1 was just another enthusiast like the rest of us (albeit a bit more committed) who for whatever reason let his priorities get out of order. He is human, made a big mistake, will learn from it and move on.

Like Youtube, I believe this site has a wide variety of younger and older users. His final vid could serve as a cautionary tale for some (especially the younger audience) where the rest may merely shrug and throw out phrases like "balance, compromise, communication, prioritization, responsibility, maturity, excess, addiction" etc...

Please as a favor to me, focus on his body of work and not the personal outcome as this was the original intent of the thread. Although, in hindsight, originally I probably could have phrased it differently.

Icarus Moonsight
08-17-2009, 11:48 PM
To paraphrase for crom (at least I think I agree, and understand his point);

The guy fucked up, hard. Don't pity him or the others in the situation. It's passive approval and enabling of that type of behavior.

When does disagreement merit a lock? Hmmm...

A Black Falcon
08-18-2009, 12:07 AM
Since when does "don't be obsessed with a hobby" equate to "I want to change everything about you"? We're all clearly far removed from the actual details but from what we do know this does not sound like a harpy of a woman demanding that her husband not do anything at all related to a hobby she doesn't approve of.

We know nothing at all about her, so I don't think we can make any assumptions one way or the other. He never really said much of anything about his wife in his videos, or at least the ones I watched, and I was subscribed to him for several months now... we just don't know anything about her other than that it's likely that she wasn't a gamer -- note how all of his stuff was in this one (fairly small) room, how she was never there (I bet she would have been in them if games interested her), etc. It was speculation based on that that brought me to what I said there, along with the fact that a LOT of people who aren't gamers, and some who are, still do believe that games are an inherently negative thing. Some of what you say here trends that same way, sadly...


I'm sorry but I think this attitude is part of the problem. This overly defensive martyr complex that "I like video games and pay the price for it" is what drives people to side with a damn hobby over human beings because they can't see the other side. They don't recognize that the games have become the primary focus of their existence so any and all attempts to curb that addiction from third parties are seen as somebody trying to take their precious games away from them and "change who they are."

I think it's kind of funny how much you (and others as well it seems) assume. Did you even notice how I said nothing about amount of time with each, or any of that? Yes, of course balance is good among your interests and obligations. I have plenty of problems doing that myself, so sure I know it's hard... but if you're married it's hopefully because you want to be, so spending time with your family shouldn't be an obligation hopefully, most of the time...

As for overly defensive, sure. I mean, when people say things like what you said in this next paragraph, it's very hard not to be when people attack gaming so much! As I said, any gamer should believe, if they actually like games, that games are a good thing, every bit the equal, or perhaps superior to, other forms of media and entertainment and education and what have you. Games are not the equal of movies yet, much less anywhere near books, but in the long term they could be... but only if people actually take them seriously and stop acting like playing games is destructive and antisocial and bad for you and whatever.

Once again, yes, you can't just play them forever and never do your work or be with family or whatnot. But just spending time doing your favorite hobby or pasttime or whatever (though I think of gaming as a bit more than that, that's what it is for many people), that should not be thought of as an inherently bad thing...

Sure, I don't know if any of this applies to this case. I said that, I think. It just made me think of it, and think that maybe it was related... but even if it isn't, the point is just as strong and relevant.

Think about it a bit more. If somebody spends a lot of time listening to, thinking or talking about, or playing their own music, are they thought of as being "normal" or abnormal? Normal, right? But if someone spends their time playing, thinking or talking about, or designing their own videogames, are they thought of as being "normal" or abnormal? Probably abnormal, if it's anything beyond a very casual level...and that's my point, that there is a massive social double standard, and that I'm hoping that eventually we can get past that.

Because, whatever the specifics of this case, culture in general, in this country at least, definitely has not yet gotten over the idea of games as only something for little children to play. But they are more than that.


Could you imagine how stupid that would sound coming from an alcoholic? "Stop telling me to go easy on the whiskey. I won't let you change who I am."

And by using that analogy, you essentially prove my point that even many gamers are, inside, ashamed of the hobby. You'd compare gaming to alcoholism? Seriously? Do you know how ridiculous that is?

Gaming is absolutely nothing like alcoholism. At worst you just spend time on it; games are not a drug. Yes, people can get 'addicted' to them I guess, but I don't agree at all that it is at all comparable to something like alcohol. Playing games does not cause physical addiction all on its own, unlike actual drugs like alcohol. The two cannot be compared. Compare it to eating or something, that might be better (though of course it's not a perfect analogy given that people need food to survive but not games) -- done at the right amount it's fine and normal and good, but done too much and it's compulsive eating or something and you gain weight and it's not healthy. Playing games too much doesn't have an absolute level of "this is too much" like with food, but there is one somewhere, sure. It just varies for every person depending on their situation. It really seems to me that what you are really doing here is saying how bad you think gaming is... and you're doing more than that, as I will say in the next part.


You make it sound like a gaming addiction is perfectly normal. Gaming hobby/addiction?

When it becomes your life instead of a small detail within it, then yes.

Any addiction is harmful. I find it unbelievable that so many people here are brushing a gaming addiction aside as essentially "no big deal" when 1) people have died during marathon gaming sessions and 2) replacing "games" with "booze" in all of these statements easily shows how misguided they are.

You're assuming far too much about whether he was "addicted" to games or not. How do you know he was actually addicted to games? There's no proof of it. That video doesn't do it, he just gives a tiny bit about what happened, leaving out most of the details. Don't assume you know what happened when we don't!

I mean, if this was actually a "WoW widow" kind of case, I could understand, if he was ignoring them that much. But the point is, I don't see the evidence there to make that assumption. It's possible, sure, but far from the only explanation of what happened. Spending like a half hour a day making game videos isn't the problem, for sure. And he had this hobby before they met, and clearly the same issues with constantly buying expensive games (remember that Neo-Geo video). So it is kind of strange...

Really, the question is, was she thinking 'he'll change and stop gaming and stuff' but he didn't (or the money problems got too bad), ie what I was talking about, or really a case where he was completely ignoring them? My first inclination is that the former is probably a factor, but the latter is quite possibly part of it as well, we just don't know and likely never will unless he says more about it at some point or something.

... Though given everything he said earlier about using credit cards to buy the games and then the stuff in that video about being attached to things, I'd be surprised if money wasn't a factor, really. I mean, you do need to budget these things... he didn't seem to be very good at that. It's understandable, as I said, with so much awesome stuff around... but you have to manage to do it. But again, we don't know.

placebo
08-18-2009, 12:19 AM
I like what Xexyz said, but wanted to throw in my two cents too that, as a husband and father. There had to have been some other issues. It's not like that weekend she mentioned it for the first time and then left. And it's a little odd that he'd post a farewell video all weepy and the like, not that I'm questioning his sincerity, just saying that it strikes me as odd. If my wife left me, I wouldnt' broadcast it to the world. Maybe we're just cut from a different cloth.

A Black Falcon
08-18-2009, 12:23 AM
I like what Xexyz said, but wanted to throw in my two cents too that, as a husband and father. There had to have been some other issues. It's not like that weekend she mentioned it for the first time and then left.

Absolutely, yeah, there have to have been other issues as well. There are always a lot of reasons for these things...