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Sonicwolf

10-30-2009, 03:38 PM

For me, some bashed games I like are:

Sonic 3D Blast - Genesis & Saturn: can we accept the fact that not all games of a series have to have the same gameplay mechanics?

I agree with that. Its not the greatest game but there are a hell of a lot of Sonic games that outstink that one. It was an interesting experiment released at the wrong time.

vivaeljason

10-30-2009, 04:48 PM

I agree with that. Its not the greatest game but there are a hell of a lot of Sonic games that outstink that one. It was an interesting experiment released at the wrong time.

How did I miss Sonic 3D Blast?! It's definitely not the best Sonic game, but it's a hell of a lot of fun even now. I never understood all of the crap it got.

BetaWolf47

10-30-2009, 04:58 PM

How are any of the Final Fantasy games overbashed?

blue lander

10-30-2009, 08:36 PM

Another vote for Milon's Secret Castle. Back when you were a kid and only had 5 or 6 NES games you had to make last until Christmas or your birthday, it wasn't necessarily a bad thing to have one that you can get so much play time out of. As a 10 year old, the game seemed so mysterious. You had no idea what to do, items could be hidden anywhere, and you never knew what was coming next. You could fritter away a perfectly good summer's day just pushing random blocks until something happened. That might seem frustrating now, but back then it was like having your own little world to explore.

Deadly Towers is another one that gets bashed alot that wasn't that bad back in the day. The graphics and controls may not be that great and the music might sound like a computer farting, but it's another game that made you feel like you were in another world.

Doonzmore

10-31-2009, 01:46 AM

I submitted a positive review of Mickey's Magical Mirror for the gamecube for the upcoming DP issue. I know I'm in the minority because Gamespot and IGN both gave it very low ratings. I however found it to be a very pleasurable experience.

Doonzmore

10-31-2009, 02:02 AM

Orion Pimpdaddy

11-01-2009, 12:53 AM

I have another one:

Thunder Force II for Genesis

This game was guilty of having two distinct play modes, the overhead and the side view. I don't know too many shooters that do that. People hated the overhead view and they were happy that it wan't there in the sequel. I, for some reason, loved the overhead part, and I remember being sad that TF3 was not going to have it.

I just love the different weapons and the "Time Pilot" feel of the overhead stages. I can't say enough about TF2.

Dreamcast

11-01-2009, 01:36 AM

Auto Destruct was bashed a lot. Or maybe because Gamespot didn't like games back then. I loved that game though.

If this wasn't in the classic section, I would have said Haze.

Ed Oscuro

11-01-2009, 01:56 AM

This game was guilty of having two distinct play modes, the overhead and the side view. I don't know too many shooters that do that. People hated the overhead view and they were happy that it wan't there in the sequel. I, for some reason, loved the overhead part, and I remember being sad that TF3 was not going to have it.

I just love the different weapons and the "Time Pilot" feel of the overhead stages. I can't say enough about TF2.
The first Thunder Force was all overhead - ask Blue Lander about it sometime (actually, there should be a thread about that). Shame they got away from it, but Thunder Force III & IV are epics of the horizontal shooter genre.

Koa Zo

11-01-2009, 01:02 AM

I agree about TF2 being awesome. But I never really heard people bash it.

On the other hand, Thunder Force VI, is one game that has taken more than its fair share of unwarranted abuse.

People's expectations were far too high for TFVI. I think in time it will be appreciated as a valuable (for play-enjoyment, not monetarily) game in any PS2 import library.

Black_Tiger

11-01-2009, 03:37 PM

JJ & Jeff.

Aussie2B

11-01-2009, 05:49 PM

Oh, I forgot one. Castlevania 2. No, not Simon's Quest. I'm talking about Belmont's Revenge. Every time I hear the phrase, "Terrible like the Castlevania games for Game Boy" I have to wonder whether the person spouting it out has played Belmont's Revenge, or whether they're even referring to it. It's so much better than the terrible Castlevania Adventure and Castlevania Legends. It can probably even hold its own against a lot of Game Boy greats.

I'll take your point and raise it to another level. I'd say that Castlevania Adventure is excessively bashed. Belmont's Revenge is indeed a great game and deserves some more attention, but I've come across many people like yourself that recognize the quality of Belmont's Revenge yet call Adventure terrible. It makes no sense to me. Yes, it's a very slow-paced game and it's really hard, but I don't know what else anybody could hold against it (and I don't think even those traits are flaws). I mean, Belmont's Revenge is practically the same game except Christopher has some pep in his step, the difficulty is toned way down, and subweapons are available. Seriously, everything else is roughly the same. They're both good games, and I think most of the Adventure naysayers never gave the game a chance and probably didn't play much beyond the first stage because it whooped their ass too hard and they didn't have the patience to practice and improve.

As for some others, I'll agree with all of the NES 2's - Zelda 2, Mario 2, Castlevania 2. They're great games, people. How can people trash SMBj for being the exact same thing but then slight sequels that do something different? The Lost Levels is a great game too, but, c'mon, be open-minded in your gaming. And don't eat up what the internet tells you while you're at it.

Which leads me to Deadly Towers. Not even close to being the worst NES game, period.

And I'll go along with Super Mario Sunshine too. It was a little off-putting to me at first as well, but once I invested some serious time into it, I found it very enjoyable. I don't know why this game gets trashed so much when other GameCube follow-ups I find to be much more deserving of a good bashing get almost universally praised (like F-Zero GX).

For something more obscure, I nominate Tower of Druaga. There is a reason why this is one of the most beloved franchises in Japan, and you can't explain that with "lol japanese people are crazy". Same goes for the Hydlide series. Even if you want to say that Hydlide and Virtual Hydlide are trash, you gotta recognize Hydlide 3/Super Hydlide as being a great game with a ton of depth once you get past its disastrous graphics and high level of complexity.

There are actually a ton of obscure RPG/adventure games that get dumped on way too much because they're so different from the whole Final Fantasy and Zelda styles that people are used to. Lagoon is a good game once you accept its flaws, as is Drakkhen. And Final Fantasy Mystic Quest, I'd rather play that than most of the numbered games. Secret of Evermore is great regardless of if you love Secret of Mana or not.

Also, the Virtual Boy library as a whole. What's with people saying "The Virtual Boy has no good games." Must be people who never played one because its small library is almost all good.

Phew, that's a lot of games. I guess I go against the mainstream a lot.

Arkhan

11-01-2009, 06:56 PM

belmonts revenge gets bashed? Why?

I always thought that game was one of the best gameboy games ever made lol!

kupomogli

11-01-2009, 07:49 PM

Christopher Belmont is badass. That is all. He has to beat his son then Dracula afterwards. He also has to go through Stage 3 in Castlevania Adventure, which really shows how badass he is.

I actually enjoy all the Gameboy CV games. Belmont's Revenge is amazing and one of my favorites in the series.

I can see why people don't like Castlevania Adventure(hard game combined with Christopher's slow speed on that title -- stage 3 even gets me alot.) One thing that gets me though. Castlevania Legends really doesn't have many problems with it. It's a really good game I think. It's just that the first thing people complain about when bashing the game is the trap candle sticks. A white candle stick that isn't shaded darker like the rest of them isn't enough of a hint? Use some common sense and maybe you won't suck, then you won't dislike the game.

Sonicwolf

11-01-2009, 07:53 PM

How did I miss Sonic 3D Blast?! It's definitely not the best Sonic game, but it's a hell of a lot of fun even now. I never understood all of the crap it got.

In my opinion, it probably got a lot of crap because people wanted more high speed platform Sonic games... Also, they quickly ported Sonic 3D Blast to the Saturn as consolation for the cancellation of Sonic Xtreme.

DDCecil

11-01-2009, 08:07 PM

One that I haven't seen mentioned yet is Actraiser 2. While it's not as good as the first one, I had a blast playing it. Everyone seems to hate it because there isn't a Sim mode.

kupomogli

11-01-2009, 08:16 PM

One that I haven't seen mentioned yet is Actraiser 2. While it's not as good as the first one, I had a blast playing it. Everyone seems to hate it because there isn't a Sim mode.

I dislike it because the stage design is terrible. I like the original Actraiser better without the sim mode, but the sim mode is still decent(without the sim mode you have to play the hard mode, only acquired after finishing the game.)

exit

11-01-2009, 08:19 PM

Kieth Courage.

This is a game I forgot to mention. I remember it coming as a pack in when my Mom got us a TG16 (I believe it was on clearance at TRU) and was one of three games I ever owned for it. It got pretty damn hard after a certain point, but I remember loving the game as a kid. Then again, the only other game I had was some space game and Tailspin, now that's a game that deserves to be bashed.

j_factor

11-01-2009, 09:00 PM

In my opinion, it probably got a lot of crap because people wanted more high speed platform Sonic games... Also, they quickly ported Sonic 3D Blast to the Saturn as consolation for the cancellation of Sonic Xtreme.

Sonic X-Treme wasn't yet cancelled at that time, just delayed. And the Saturn version of Sonic 3D turned out pretty good; excellent soundtrack, great special stages, nice-looking redrawn graphics (even though it didn't exactly push the system), and support of the Saturn analog pad. The load times are a bit long, but overall it's rather good considering the port was done in like 5 weeks by a team that had never done anything for Saturn before. On the other hand, its presence on Saturn perhaps highlighted the fact that it's a relatively short game with fairly basic, straightforward gameplay and levels. Compared to other games of the time (on Saturn and elsewhere), it seemed downright archaic. But it's definitely not terrible by any means. If it had been released a couple years earlier, only on Genesis and minus Sonic, it would probably have a very good reputation.

Baloo

11-01-2009, 09:11 PM

Sonic X-Treme wasn't yet cancelled at that time, just delayed. And the Saturn version of Sonic 3D turned out pretty good; excellent soundtrack, great special stages, nice-looking redrawn graphics (even though it didn't exactly push the system), and support of the Saturn analog pad. The load times are a bit long, but overall it's rather good considering the port was done in like 5 weeks by a team that had never done anything for Saturn before. On the other hand, its presence on Saturn perhaps highlighted the fact that it's a relatively short game with fairly basic, straightforward gameplay and levels. Compared to other games of the time (on Saturn and elsewhere), it seemed downright archaic. But it's definitely not terrible by any means. If it had been released a couple years earlier, only on Genesis and minus Sonic, it would probably have a very good reputation.

Now see, I think that if Sonic 3D Blast was never released on Genesis and only on Saturn the way it is, it would be a much more appreciated game. Sonic 3D Blast on Genesis was released far too late in my opinion to make any difference.

My only problem with Sonic 3D Blast is that the gameplay gets a little tedious at times, it really needed a save feature, then it would be a good amount better.

biscuitdough

11-02-2009, 12:05 AM

bubsy for the genesis. It's one of the most by the numbers platformers ever, but the gliding mechanic is pretty fun, and it has a good even difficulty curve. Played the first one tons as a kid, and just pulled it out to make sure I wasn't just looking through rose tinted glasses. The sequels were horrible I'll admit, but the first is a solid platformer...with horrendous graphics, but thats beside the point.

also, while alot of people complain about the controls, I thought the sense of inertia worked ok, it takes a long time to get used to, but it's certainly not "TEH WORST CONTROLS EVAR"

Kiddo

11-02-2009, 12:33 AM

When I think of games that are over-bashed, I tend to think of -genres- that are overbashed, and that pretty much describes any "Brawler" made in the post-16-bit era.

I in particular will never understand what made people think Advance Guardian Heroes was some sort of travesty, and was saddened to see Ubisoft's TMNT brawler on the GBA get ignored (it's fairly much closer to an arcade TMNT then, ironically enough, "TMNT: Arcade Attack").

Of course, I'm sure someone's gonna bring up God Hand at any moment now...

When stepping out of brawlers? I don't see what the internet hates about Earnest Evans. The only real problem I can really spot with it is that the controls take some getting used to - the rest of it feels on par with most other "decent" Genesis games I've played.

BetaWolf47

11-02-2009, 01:12 AM

When I think of games that are over-bashed, I tend to think of -genres- that are overbashed, and that pretty much describes any "Brawler" made in the post-16-bit era.

You mean beat-em-ups? The genre isn't receiving as good of a treatment as it did back then. I'll agree with you though... the mentality of gamers is partly to blame on the reception of later ones. I'd even argue that this extends back to late 16-bit games, like the third iterations of Final Fight and Streets of Rage. Why people think Final Fight 3 and Streets of Rage 3 are so inferior to their (overrated) predecessors, I'll never know.

The only exception to recent beat-em-ups being bashed is the Dynasty Warriors series.

Kiddo

11-02-2009, 01:34 PM

You mean beat-em-ups? The genre isn't receiving as good of a treatment as it did back then. I'll agree with you though... the mentality of gamers is partly to blame on the reception of later ones. I'd even argue that this extends back to late 16-bit games, like the third iterations of Final Fight and Streets of Rage. Why people think Final Fight 3 and Streets of Rage 3 are so inferior to their (overrated) predecessors, I'll never know.

The only exception to recent beat-em-ups being bashed is the Dynasty Warriors series.

It took a few sequels, but now that series is getting bashed for hell and back for being "Repetitive" even as the recent entries try to shake-up things for the folks who want something other than a peasant-slaughterhouse. (Meanwhile, I played a bit of DWVI and was so frustrated by how un-Dynasty-Warriors-like it was to me, I can tell it's approaching a point where the fanbase is gonna be unpleasable.)

Push Upstairs

11-02-2009, 01:39 PM

I love beat-em-ups, but more recent ones have left me wishing they had some better(tighter) controls.

Rickstilwell1

11-02-2009, 02:59 PM

BetaWolf47

11-02-2009, 03:30 PM

It took a few sequels, but now that series is getting bashed for hell and back for being "Repetitive" even as the recent entries try to shake-up things for the folks who want something other than a peasant-slaughterhouse. (Meanwhile, I played a bit of DWVI and was so frustrated by how un-Dynasty-Warriors-like it was to me, I can tell it's approaching a point where the fanbase is gonna be unpleasable.)

The fanbase being unpleasable is the problem with a lot of things. For instance, people say they're tired of Nintendo rehashing things. Then when original titles come out, they complain about them fixing what isn't broken. Case in point: Donkey Kong Jungle Beat. It came out and got great reviews, with the only thing keeping it from being a AAA title being the game length. Yet the same people who bashed Pokemon games for being the same thing over and over again whined, "I'm not playing a new Donkey Kong game unless it uses a real controller! Where's my Donkey Kong Country 4?!"

Game Freak

11-02-2009, 03:37 PM

- Super Mario Sunshine
- Luigi's Mansion
- Sonic 3D Blast
- Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire

Arkhan

11-02-2009, 04:57 PM

diskoboy

11-02-2009, 05:58 PM

JJ & Jeff.

Compared to the Japanese version, JJ & Jeff is your boring, run-of-the-mill, platformer.

The Japanese version at least had the toilet humor to keep it somewhat entertaining. It leads you to wonder if they were porting the game to one of todays consoles, if they'd leave the good bits, in the versios outside Japan... My guess would be an emphatic "absolutely".

Ruudos

11-03-2009, 08:16 AM

I see people on another site bashing Donkey Kong Country 3 saying it's their least favorite of the 3 games, but I feel the opposite and like it better than the other two for being smoother. More secrets and cool extras. It was like Sonic 3D Blast and came out when the next gen was becoming popular so that probably has something to do with it not being as succesful as the other two.

It's one of the games I would actually consider the best of Super Nintendo but people say "oh it's not so special compared to 1 & 2"

Although Sonic 3D Blast is way different compared to the previous Sonic games, while DKC 3 is similar to its predecessors. Pepole don't seem to like DKC 3 because of Kiddy Kong, which is kinda stupid. In reality, it's only a sprite change and it doesn't infect the gameplay at all.

pseudonym

11-03-2009, 09:19 AM

I didn't care much for Donkey Kong Country 3 either, but not because of Kiddy Kong. It's a good game but not as good as the first two, it mostly rehashes idea from the first two in weaker ways (I didn't know how else to word it, I'm tired...)

- Uninteresting levels. The best levels were the most of the factory ones, the tree one where the saw is chasing you, and the pipe/race ones; overall a small portion of the levels total, most were pretty 'by-the-numbers' type levels IMO.
-Uninteresting bosses. You have a giant spider that bounces around and spits webs at you, a snowman that throws snowballs at you, and a squid (?) that spits water at you and chases after you with it's arm very slowly.
- DK Coins. Rare took a good idea from 2 and made it worst. Instead of hiding the coins, you have to hit the kremling with a steel barrel in the back. Most of the time they are in plain sight or slightly hidden and you can get the coin simply by throwing the barrel over it's head and wait for it to bounce off a wall usually a few steps away to hit the kremling.

I think that Bubsy deserves it's bashing. It was an over hyped game in magazines/tv that's little more than a somewhat clumsy platformer that's average at best. I rented it a few times when I was a kid and I thought it was overly difficult with questionable controls - Bubsy runs way too fast and he slids too much after he stops - and way too many enemies/objects that can kill when you run into them. The multiple paths are nice but it's basically run forward and try not to get killed (it will happen, a lot); pretty run-of-the-mill design in other words.

alexander4488

11-03-2009, 01:18 PM

Rickstilwell1

11-03-2009, 04:39 PM

Even though I negatively reviewed it, I'll have to say Bubsy 3D (hey, I like all the games I negatively review anyway). Now, I don't really hate any game, but I wouldn't even say Bubsy 3D is the least best. It's really not that bad and once you get around the control and camera it can be a lot of fun and another cool thing about it is that it has a lot of platforms. Many 3D platform games like Banjo Kazooie (of course, a superior game) don't have that many platforms... You mostly just explore and stuff, but Bubsy 3D has all the platforms you need so Ill give it that and I know the graphics aren't technically advanced for Ps1 but like the music, it gives it character. So yeah, Bubsy 3D. Not really that bad. There's many games that are inferior to it. Worst PS1 game? Bull crap!

Yeah I've got it and I've played far worse sports and racing games that I just had to trade in. Bubsy wasn't bad enough to deserve a trade-in when I bought it for $5 anyway. Plus by having this game I own all four console Bubsy games, the first two being the Genesis versions. It's kind of funny that the Jaguar ended up having Bubsy 3 as an exclusive. I wonder what Bubsy 5 would have looked like if they had made one for PS2 and improved the graphics...

CelticJobber

11-03-2009, 06:32 PM

Pac-Man for Atari 2600.

Sonicwolf

11-03-2009, 06:41 PM

After watching videos of Bubsy 3D for the PlayStation, I think it looks like a Jaguar game. LOL

kainemaxwell

11-03-2009, 07:07 PM

Superman 64 deserves all the bashing its received and more.

BydoEmpire

11-03-2009, 10:22 PM

In your opinion, what do you think are the most overbashed classic games out there? Games that really aren't as bad as most say they are?

For me it's probably Sonic 3D Blast and Sonic R. I actually like both of these games (especially Sonic R), yet most people that I run into them hate them with a passion. What gives?I agree with you about both of those Sonic games. I didn't play Sonic R until the rerelease on Gamecube, but it was a fun little racer. Both of those are better than a lot of the newer Sonic stuff.

My pick: Shenmue. I just loved both of the games for what they were - adventure games. They were billed as VF RPGs, but that wasn't really accurate. I got into the story, the amazing graphics and sound, the characters... So you had to kill a little time in the first game, and some of the dialog was corny. Boo hoo. That's pretty minor in the grand scheme of complaints. Shenmue certainly didn't corner the market on bad game dialog - plenty of that to go around.

2600 Pac Man is another one. It's a solid, very fun and playable maze game. It doesn't look a whole lot like the arcade game, but it's still fun to play and captures the essence of the original. Not great, mind you, but not as awful as a lot of people say.

Aussie2B

11-03-2009, 11:18 PM

Honestly, I think Bubsy 3D deserves even more hate than it gets. It's the only game I've ever played, and probably the only one I ever will, that literally gave me nightmares and put me in a weird, depressed funk for a few days (and this was after only one roughly 30 minute session with it).

Famidrive-16

11-04-2009, 02:57 AM

I want to play Bubsy 3d with Ulillillia.

c0ldb33r

11-04-2009, 01:55 PM

2600 Pac Man is another one. It's a solid, very fun and playable maze game. It doesn't look a whole lot like the arcade game, but it's still fun to play and captures the essence of the original. Not great, mind you, but not as awful as a lot of people say.
I've heard that a number of times. If it were called Maze-man or something similar, people probably wouldn't have bitched so much.

Arkhan

11-04-2009, 02:34 PM

I've heard that a number of times. If it were called Maze-man or something similar, people probably wouldn't have bitched so much.

i think thats exactly the reason it gets bashed though. People are expecting Pac Man. There is no variety to it on the Atari. The developer admittedly spent no time on it, and it shows.

Yeah its fun, but for Pac Man it's a disgrace. I've got a better version on a graphing calculator.

BydoEmpire

11-04-2009, 02:49 PM

The developer admittedly spent no time on it, and it shows.Well, that's not exactly true (according to Once Upon Atari, anyways). Todd Frye went to marketing/management several times and asked for a bigger cart. If he had more memory he could have written a new kernel where the ghosts wouldn't flicker, and it would have been much better overall. Atari was adamant to manufacture it as cheap as possible, so we got what we got. It wasn't so much a question of time as manufacturing cost.

sebastiankirchoff

11-05-2009, 01:00 AM

Twisted Metal 4: Good game that gets bashed all the time by critics and fans of the series. It has good music and is a fun game to play with a couple of friends, and is not the worst in the series.

Super Mario 2: Enough has been said about it.

Xbox 360: Not a game, but I think this system gets bashed way too much. Sure, it has a ton of hardware problems and it is a pain in the ass, but besides that, its a good system.

Resident Evil Gaiden: Gets dumped on by every Resident Evil fan, but I find it to be an enjoyable GBC game. It may not be scary or have the same control scheme as the other RE's, but its still a good game.

diskoboy

11-05-2009, 02:07 PM

I can't believe all the people defending VCS Pac-Man.

KC Munchkin for the ODYSSEY 2 was closer to Pac-Man than the VCS version. After the VCS version came out, people would come over to my house to play KC.

Pac-Man on the VCS was total crap. Absolutely NO redeeming qualities, whatsoever, except for maybe the box art.