Most overbashed games [Archive] - Retrogaming Roundtable

Steve W

10-27-2009, 09:40 PM

Club Drive on the Jaguar was almost universally dumped on, but I liked it. I never heard a good thing about South Park Rally in reviews, but I always keep it near the Dreamcast. The same with Star Wars Demolition. It wasn't what people expected, and was coming at the end of the era where LucasArts was pumping out loads of lousy Star Wars related games, so Demolition was automatically assumed to suck. I love vehicular combat games, and it's refined gameplay from Vigilante 8 is really fun for me. I can pretty much forget about the Star Wars connection and just enjoy it on a "smashing shit up" level.

Dangerboy

10-27-2009, 09:49 PM

- Night Trap and Sewer Shark - I mapped out both games.
- Riot Zone - one of my favorite guilty pleasures

exit

10-27-2009, 09:50 PM

ET

Yes, I said it.

bombman

10-27-2009, 09:59 PM

ET

Yes, I said it.

Agreed. I beat it when I was 12 years old and once I figured out how to get out of pits, it was quite enjoyable. There are far far worse games than ET out there.

PC-ENGINE HELL

10-27-2009, 10:18 PM

Agreed. I beat it when I was 12 years old and once I figured out how to get out of pits, it was quite enjoyable. There are far far worse games than ET out there.

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Gabriel

10-27-2009, 10:32 PM

Atari 2600 E.T. and Pac-Man definitely win the prize as most overbashed games. Neither are really that bad. Considering how inaccurate arcade to home translations were at the time, Pac-Man doesn't even stand out as a bad port. You can't seriously look at Space Invaders, Donkey Kong, Asteroids, or any number of others from the era and say that Pac-Man was any more inaccurate than they were. E.T. seems to get bashed merely because it's an adventure game (Raiders gets bashed almost as much for the same reason). Both games are average at worst.

Sonicwolf

10-27-2009, 10:35 PM

Night Trap is way too overbashed. I adore that game. Sure its campy and a bit ridiculous but it can be challenging and entertaining... (especially considering what you can do at the end :D ) I think thats all we should expect from any game, let alone an FMV game filmed in 1987.

NayusDante

10-27-2009, 10:58 PM

Gundam Crossfire. It has its strong points, and I sunk a ton of time into it when I got my PS3. Kampfer FTW.

ScourDX

10-27-2009, 11:08 PM

Shaq-Fu. Although EGM give it 76%. There is no need to bash it that badly.

Tron 2.0

10-27-2009, 11:27 PM

Mega Man Legends 1&2 to fans there consider the worst of the serise.Sure it's camera can be twitchy,but i don't mind it.Though i still wish it got a sequel given part 2 leaves ya hanging....

Orion Pimpdaddy

10-27-2009, 11:29 PM

NayusDante

10-27-2009, 11:37 PM

Mega Man Legends 1&2 to fans there consider the worst of the serise.Sure it's camera can be twitchy,but i don't mind it.Though i still wish it got a sequel given part 2 leaves ya hanging....

There's a very strong fanbase for the DASH/Legends series, it just wasn't as big as the original series fanbase. It would probably be received a lot better today, it just seemed weird back then to see a really-distant future series.

Speaking of Mega Man, I loved X6. Some of the rescuable hunters are in areas that aren't designed very well, but everything else about the game is amazing. So they left the Japanese voices in, that's a GOOD thing! So the game has a few brutally difficult stages, just take advantage of the infinite continues. X7 is the game that deserves every bit of bashing it can get.

SegaAges

10-27-2009, 11:40 PM

Not very classic, but Sonic 06 on 360. Very, very hated and bashed, but I seriously enjoyed it

NayusDante

10-27-2009, 11:45 PM

Not very classic, but Sonic 06 on 360. Very, very hated and bashed, but I seriously enjoyed it

I have to say, Sonic '06 brought back the hub world feature that I loved so much in Sonic Adventure. It would have been a great game if they just spent a little more time playtesting and polishing it.

Ed Oscuro

10-27-2009, 11:52 PM

CD-i games in general.

I bet FFVII...eh, guess I'll stow that discussion away for later / never. It may be no Vagrant Story, but if it's close at all it can't be deserving of the rap.

Actually, if more people knew of Vagrant Story that would probably fit the bill.

I think Air Duel fits, although you've gotta be in a certain segment of the fandom to even know about it (Irem vertical shooter).

NayusDante

10-27-2009, 11:56 PM

I feel like I'm always mentioning this one, but Baroque (Wii/PS2) gets bashed for the wrong reasons. Everyone hates the lv1-when-you-die mechanic and the sparse story distribution, but those are unique qualities in the game's design, not flaws. Play it for what it is, not for what you want it to be.

DisastrophE

10-28-2009, 12:29 AM

I actually didn't see what was so about a couple of the Army Men games for the N64. However I haven't played any of them in quite awhile. Perhaps I should go back and see if they are really as bad as people make them out to be.

Ed Oscuro

10-28-2009, 12:50 AM

The N64 Army Men game I played wasn't bad so much as just odd and very bland.

Yeah, I guess it was bad. I recall playing a GBC game in the series (or maybe GBA), now that was pretty bad.

gamesboro

10-28-2009, 12:55 AM

Shaq-Fu gets too much hate. Is it weird? Yeah. It is playable though. I think most people haven't played it, they just read about it being the worst game ever on the internet and they just go along with it.

While the characters are small, it has amazing animation.

grolt

10-28-2009, 01:13 AM

I'll add another vote for SONIC R - I love the game. One of my favorites on the system, and for me better than any of the other mascot racers. SONIC 3D BLAST I'm not so hot on, though.

scooterb23

10-28-2009, 01:22 AM

Whack-A-Mole. Seriously people. You don't have to overbash the machines. You can just use a lighter touch, and be able to whack a bunch more moles!!

Famidrive-16

10-28-2009, 01:26 AM

Mario 2 (American version)

A lot of people felt duped that it was just a copy of another game with Mario characters thown in, so they don't give it the look it deserves. It is a wonderful, wonderful game!

This.

Before the 'secret' was revealed I didn't hear one bad word about this game. Then the internet came and it became the WORST MARIO GAME EVER!!!

I still think it's leagues better than smb2j.

I also think SNK vs Capcom: Chaos gets too much shit. Yeah, it has some unbalance and the hitboxes are a little off. But damnit, I really enjoyed it. The apocalyptic theme gave it a really dark feel in general.

Or maybe I was just a sucker for the pre-battle dialoges.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24uON5KW9pc

NayusDante

10-28-2009, 01:31 AM

Whack-A-Mole. Seriously people. You don't have to overbash the machines. You can just use a lighter touch, and be able to whack a bunch more moles!!

Speaking of overbashing... my friends and I were almost kicked out of Celebration Station because we played really hardcore on one of these:

http://www.eliteeventproduction.com/DEMO/wackygator.jpg

We weren't even hitting them, just tapping them constantly so they retracted before they started moving out. We were a hell of a lot gentler than the average 5-year-old beating the crap out of them. We even took a picture, if my friend ever sends it to me. Five college-age people crowded around Wacky Gator, one person per gator; I'm going to make a TEAMWORK motivational poster out of it.

kupomogli

10-28-2009, 01:42 AM

Gundam Crossfire. It has its strong points, and I sunk a ton of time into it when I got my PS3. Kampfer FTW.

I'm a huge Gundam fan and I hate that game. I actually gave it to Maxlords for free just recently.

I hear alot of people bash it over the game having slowdown but I've never once had any slowdown on the game. It was the poorly developed gameplay that I hated about it.

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Anyways, instead of Gundam Crossfire though. I will say that Gundam games in general though. Obviously good ones.

The Gundam Battle series. Tactics, Royale, Chronicles, Universe.
Encounters in Space
A.C.E. Another Century Episode series
Zeonic Front
Gundam vs Zeta Gundam, Federation vs Zeon, Rengou vs Z.A.F.T
Journey to Jaburo
Climax US
One Year War
Ace Pilot Fighter's Lotus
Lost War Chronicles
Possibly some I've played and liked that I may have missed

Aside from A.C.E., all these games are Gundam and disliked because of that fact, even though they're really good games. A.C.E. is a giant robot series with Gundams in it so it's not hard to make a comparison and people to dislike that as well.

Here's an example. Go listen to all praise that Zone of Enders gets(it does deserve it though.) Encounters in Space plays exactly like Zone of Enders with far more content and most people will never realize how great the game is because the title.

After James reviewed it, Castlevania 2 has been getting bashed a ton also. Mostly by people who most likely never have played it before seeing it on James' reviews. CV2 owns.

SPAZ-12

10-28-2009, 02:39 AM

Mario 2 (American version)

A lot of people felt duped that it was just a copy of another game with Mario characters thown in, so they don't give it the look it deserves. It is a wonderful, wonderful game!

Sorry, but I hate this game for what it is, not just because it's a lazy port of another game. For instance, I hate the enemies that respawn if you walk an inch to the left. Though I guess I'd rather we got this instead of SMB2J.

As for most overbashed game, I would have to agree with others and say Shaq Fu. I own this game, and I would label it a mediocre to bad fighter. I think that it gets the attention just because it has Shaq attached to it.

CRV

10-28-2009, 02:59 AM

ET, 2600 Pac-Man, LJN games

Steve W

10-28-2009, 03:20 AM

The Nintendo licensed games for the Philips CD-i get bashed the hell out of, and I'm betting that most of the people doing the bashing have never played any of them. It's mostly just people jumping on the bandwagon rather than trying the games themselves. Oh, and also they look at the lousy animation on YouTube done by Russian animators just a couple years after Communism fell in that country, who had probably not used a real computer (that didn't use punch cards or radio tubes) before. Nobody ever rates the gameplay of the Zelda/Link CD-i games. The gameplay in those titles are boring and bland, but they aren't necessarily bad. There's far worse games out there.

Sosage

10-28-2009, 04:34 AM

I don't know if they are "overbashed", but I always run into people that hate Legend of Kage and Mighty Bomb Jack. I loved those two carts as a kid. I also had one hell of an argument over Golgo 13 when writing an NES article almost...shit...ten years ago...so old... :(

...and of course Double Switch, but I already talked about that one in the Sega CD birthday thread.

BobaFettHotep

10-28-2009, 04:47 AM

How bout Castlevania 2 i think its got a zelda 2ish feel to it

Baloo

10-28-2009, 07:12 AM

Sorry, but I hate this game for what it is, not just because it's a lazy port of another game. For instance, I hate the enemies that respawn if you walk an inch to the left. Though I guess I'd rather we got this instead of SMB2J.

You consider SMB2 a lazy port and yet you'd rather have SMB: The Lost levels? Lost Levels is SMB just with different levels and a helluva lot harder.

Yeah, I'm going to agree with SMB2 being an overbashed game. Just because it's another game with mario characters in it doesn't mean it has to suck.

vivaeljason

10-28-2009, 07:23 AM

Upon looking at the thread title, I thought immediately of Mario 2. I'm glad I'm not alone.

BetaWolf47

10-28-2009, 09:17 AM

Milon's Secret Castle. The only thing really bad about it is how cryptic the whole game is. It's as annoying in Castlevania 2 in that regard. But that's just how games were back then, and a lot of highly rated games are like that. Underneath it all, it's a great adventure game.

Arkhan

10-28-2009, 10:10 AM

Mario 2 (American version)

A lot of people felt duped that it was just a copy of another game with Mario characters thown in, so they don't give it the look it deserves. It is a wonderful, wonderful game!

ET (2600)

People head about the landfill "story" and then instantly conclude the game sucked. It was more about having too many of them than anything else. Also, people don't understand how to play the game, unless they take the time to learn what the symbols do. It's a double barrier (landfill and symbols) that very few people bust through. If you compare it to other 2600 games, it's about average.

Mario 2 is my favorite of the NES marios! I always liked the boss battles in it the most. There is alot of skill involved! Plus, Mouser is funny as hell looking.

as for ET, its one of those obligatory hate games. retrotards worldwide see a webcomic thats like OMG ET SUCKS and follow suit just because the comic said so. Youd be surprised how many people I've talked to that are all ET SUCKS OMG WORTHLESS GAME but then you ask if theyve played it and they havent.....:frustrated: Some of em havent even played a 2600 at all.

I never thought it was THAT bad. Its not great, but its not the giant pile of shit everyone acts like it is. I mean what the hell do you really want out of an Atari. Most games only have 1 screen.

China Warrior/The Kung Fu for TG16/PCE gets overly smashed by alot of people, and as a Saturday convention just proved, people love the game. Huge sprites, and the music alone did it for alot of people.

I had it set up and a bunch of people got wayyyy into it.

Vkmies

10-28-2009, 10:22 AM

People always bash the south park game for the N64 and playstation, altough i really enjoy the game. Has humor from the show, Voice actors from the show and is overall a enjoyable experience.

Arkhan

10-28-2009, 10:35 AM

Yeah. I never liked the N64 one for controller reasons, but the PSX one was funny

SPAZ-12

10-28-2009, 10:48 AM

Sorry, but I hate this game for what it is, not just because it's a lazy port of another game. For instance, I hate the enemies that respawn if you walk an inch to the left. Though I guess I'd rather we got this instead of SMB2J.

You consider SMB2 a lazy port and yet you'd rather have SMB: The Lost levels?

Reading IS hard. Thanks for interpreting what I wrote as nearly exactly opposite what the text says. (I guess changing "I'd rather" to "it's better" would help...?) Let me say it another way for you:

I guess it's better that we got a lazy port (SMB2USA) than a level hack (SMB2J). Doesn't mean that I like the game though!

Push Upstairs

10-28-2009, 11:13 AM

Wile I like SMB3 the best, SMB2 is my 2nd favorite game. I don't really like SMB much as the control is stiff, the same with Lost Levels (since it is pretty much the same game).

The other reason I love SMB2 is that I have some memories attached to the game and its music.

7th lutz

10-28-2009, 01:39 PM

E.T- Atari 2600
Same reason as the other people on the thread mention. I am admit that it is not great game, but it is the worst game on the Atari 2600. If they really want to play a real bad Atari 2600 game, they should play Karate.

Super Mario Brothers 2 (american version) - Nes
I own this game and it is a very good. I never heard anythingbad about this game before the internet. I was a kid back in the 1980's and none of the kids my younger brother and I knew bad mouthed Mario 2This game gets bashed just because the game has Mario and Mario Characters in it. If it didn't have the name Mario on it, it would be looked at it as a good Nes game.

Pac-man - Atari 2600
It is not a good port, but this baby gets bashed way to much due. The only reason it gets based a lot is due to the amount cartridges Atari produced. I own a lot of Atari 2600 games and I have my share of Atari 2600 Arcade ports. The system has a lot of bad arcade ports like Donkey Kong and Defender for an example.

Snapple

10-28-2009, 02:06 PM

I love Mario 2. It holds a special place in my heart, because it was one of the first games I ever owned. I got my NES for Christmas '88, it was my first video game console ever. With it, it came with Mario/Duck Hunt of course, and the only other game I got for it was Mario 2. I played the Hell out of Mario 2, I beat it, and I still love it.

Overbashed games... probably any of the 3D Final Fantasy games. "Wah, Final Fantasy went mainstream and now it's not 2D and it sucks and it's too popular wah wah."

Other overbashed things:
-The N64 controller
-Mario Sunshine
-okay that's all I can think of right now

chrisbid

10-28-2009, 02:08 PM

ET, but any atari game really

the reason being most people that bash ET have never played and will never play a 2600 for a reason other than poking fun at it.

Orion Pimpdaddy

10-28-2009, 02:58 PM

Pac-man - Atari 2600
It is not a good port, but this baby gets bashed way to much due. The only reason it gets based a lot is due to the amount cartridges Atari produced. I own a lot of Atari 2600 games and I have my share of Atari 2600 Arcade ports. The system has a lot of bad arcade ports like Donkey Kong and Defender for an example.

I have to disagree with you on that. Take a look at Ms. Pac-Man, released just one year later, and you'll see the lack of effort they put into Pac-Man. If they only produced 15 cartridges of Pac-Man, it still would have been a bad game.

SPAZ-12

10-28-2009, 03:13 PM

Other overbashed things:
-Mario Sunshine

This I can definitely agree with. I've never understood the criticism of this game, it's one of my favorite Mario games ever! It takes the 3D platforming goodness of Mario 64, and adds in some fun extra features. The game might be easier than Mario 64, but it's no Yoshi Story either, I find it strikes a nice balance.

BetaWolf47

10-28-2009, 03:18 PM

Mega Man 4, 5, and 6. I find them to be superior to the first 3 by a long shot.

NayusDante

10-28-2009, 03:19 PM

Mario Sunshine is more enjoyable for me than Mario Galaxy. Galaxy had a more casual feel to it, and it just lacked the charm that Sunshine had.

Baloo

10-28-2009, 03:24 PM

Mario Sunshine is more enjoyable for me than Mario Galaxy. Galaxy had a more casual feel to it, and it just lacked the charm that Sunshine had.

I liked Galaxy and Sunshine, but 64 tops both IMO. Galaxy had a weird premise to it, and Sunshine was good but at times the water thing just got on my nerves.

BetaWolf47

10-28-2009, 03:34 PM

Problem with Sunshine is that Fludd made basic platforming parts way too easy, and the parts without Fludd (i.e. Yoshi and those secret areas) were glitchy.

I vaguely recall needing to ferry Yoshi to an island by boat to get a shine sprite, but every time the boat turns Yoshi just slides right off. That didn't even happen on Rainbow Ride on SM64.

Wraith Storm

10-28-2009, 03:47 PM

It's almost expected for me to say this, but here goes... Bullet Witch! Bullet Witch is a VERY over-bashed game and I can't understand why?

It has one of the best control schemes I have ever used. I don't think since Gun Griffon on the Saturn have I played a game with such a natural control scheme. It also has solid graphics, excellent level design, a ton of variety and replay value. So whats with the hate?

I think "Gamers" tastes have changed over time. If a similar game had been released years back on Dreamcast or PS2 I think it would have been regarded by many as a classic.

Baloo

10-28-2009, 04:07 PM

vivaeljason

10-28-2009, 04:53 PM

Other overbashed things:
-The N64 controller

Truth to this. I love the N64 controller and have always found it comfortable and easy to use. All of the crap that the controller gets is totally unwarranted, especially since it influenced all of the controllers that followed.

thom_m

10-28-2009, 05:41 PM

Mega Man 4, 5, and 6. I find them to be superior to the first 3 by a long shot.

Agreed (although I never played 6 :)). I had one hell of a good time playing Megaman 5, and Megaman 4 is my favorite one on the series.

I also think SMB2 and Pac-Man for the 2600 are overbashed. I absolutely LOVED SMB2 back in the day, and miss my cart (the only official one I had). And Pac-Man is fondly remembered by lotz and lots of brazilians, as it was one of the most popular games of he 2600 era. Most of us didn't know the arcade original, and had lots of fun playing this version - a fact that, IMO, says a lot about the game not sucking that hard. Lousy port? Maybe. Bad game? Not at all.

7th lutz

10-28-2009, 06:06 PM

I have to disagree with you on that. Take a look at Ms. Pac-Man, released just one year later, and you'll see the lack of effort they put into Pac-Man. If they only produced 15 cartridges of Pac-Man, it still would have been a bad game.

My point wasn't that Pac-man wasn't a bad game in terms of being an arcade port a first place. My point was there was a lot of poor arcade ports on the Atari 2600 at the time including defender and Pac-man singled out because there was pac-man cartridges than Atari 2600 systems sold at the time.

Pac-man was more popular than defender was in the arcades and pop culture is another reason Pac-man gets more talk about being a bad port than defender was. I remember the popularity of Pac-man in pop culture back in the 1980's as little kid back in the 1981 to 1984 time frame by me remembering seeing Pac-man cereal, pac-man cartoon, etc. The true was defender was a terrible arcade port and was as bad as pac-man was imo.

Ms. Pac-man being a better port than Pac-man because Ms. Pac-man was an 8k game and Pac-man was a 4k game for the Atari 2600. Tod Frye, the programmer of pac-man told Atari at the time that 4k wasn't enough to do a good port of Pac-man. Todd wanted 8k and Atari didn't him that at the time. 8k was available for Atari 2600 programmers at the time Pac-man was being worked on. Ms. Pac-man was given a cartridge of 8k of rom after what happened to Pac-man. The two games had different programmers, but the amount of rom affects how much a game can fit into a cartridge.

Defender was was lousy arcade port and Defender II (stargate) was a great arcade port. There was a difference between those two in how big the cartridge was in terms of memory. I don't think the programmer played a big role in the difference in quality despite the fact Defender II had a different programmer. Bob Polaro did some good games for the Atari 2600 like Road Runner later on. There was

I played the Atari 2600 ports defender and Defender II growing up and there was a big difference between the two games in quality.

Defender was one of the games at the time that shown there was problems with doing arcade games with 4k or rom. 4k of rom didn't hurt Activision games, but it was caused by they weren't arcade ports. Donkey Kong was a 4k arcade Port by coleco for the Atari 2600. The 2600 version was missing 2 screens and it could be pointed to it being a 4k game. If Donkey Kong was a 8k game, it could have 3 out of 4 screens.

SuperFamicom83

10-28-2009, 06:07 PM

Dr. Chaos was a pain in the sack until you figure out how to get to the 2nd stage, then it is quite enjoyable.

Iron & Blood = Best ps1 3D fighting game, me and my buddy can play it for hours on end.

BetaWolf47

10-28-2009, 11:48 PM

Oh, I forgot one. Castlevania 2. No, not Simon's Quest. I'm talking about Belmont's Revenge. Every time I hear the phrase, "Terrible like the Castlevania games for Game Boy" I have to wonder whether the person spouting it out has played Belmont's Revenge, or whether they're even referring to it. It's so much better than the terrible Castlevania Adventure and Castlevania Legends. It can probably even hold its own against a lot of Game Boy greats.

Robocop2

10-29-2009, 12:08 AM

I always felt that Twisted Metal 3 gets alot of unfair criticism. I think alot of it is due to the fact of Sony taking the reins away from SingleTrac and giving the series to 989. I personally think that before TM:Black it was the best in the series. Granted it was my first taste but I tried to play TM1 and 2 and was really rather unimpressed by them.

betamax001

10-29-2009, 12:31 AM

Yeah, I'm going to agree with SMB2 being an overbashed game. Just because it's another game with mario characters in it doesn't mean it has to suck.

I love Mario 2. Plain and Simple. It's different yes, but fun as hell!

Icarus Moonsight

10-29-2009, 12:50 AM

Whack-A-Mole. Seriously people. You don't have to overbash the machines. You can just use a lighter touch, and be able to whack a bunch more moles!!

Easy to say, hard to put into practice. Especially when playing the Whack-A-Newbie variant.
http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/yvp6YXagXag/default.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvp6YXagXag

j_factor

10-29-2009, 01:42 AM

Sprung for DS. It's not a fantastic game by any means, but it didn't deserve the lynching that it got. It's well-written and entertaining.

Saga Frontier is one of my favorite RPGs on Playstation. I really love the battle system. Not sure why it got so much hate.

I always felt that Twisted Metal 3 gets alot of unfair criticism. I think alot of it is due to the fact of Sony taking the reins away from SingleTrac and giving the series to 989. I personally think that before TM:Black it was the best in the series. Granted it was my first taste but I tried to play TM1 and 2 and was really rather unimpressed by them.

Although I wouldn't necessarily call 3 the best, I do think that 2-4 are all fairly similar in quality, and the first one is definitely worse than the others. I also really disliked Small Brawl. But yeah, there was nothing terribly wrong with 3 and 4, except you could argue they were getting stale.

Arkhan

10-29-2009, 10:13 AM

Overbashed games... probably any of the 3D Final Fantasy games. "Wah, Final Fantasy went mainstream and now it's not 2D and it sucks and it's too popular wah wah."

my problem with the 3D Final Fantasy games is the crap they keep doing to the character system....and the gradual move towards the game playing like an MMO without the online aspect. Every game seems to slowly become less and less of an RPG and more of a chore.

7-9 are all good stuff, but the Junctioning in 8 as a complete disaster and annoyance compared to Materia. Drawing magic was the big gripe I had. Though I guess looking back on it, equipping GFs is pretty bad ass.

FF9's "equip stuff to learn skills" was kind of annoying too, especially when you get a new thing and cant wear it yet because you have to finish getting the skill of some other item. But it wasnt THAT bad. Especially since the plot/setting/delivery were all great.

(plus i was extremely addicted to both fucking card games, lol)

but they were shortcomings you could deal with since the story and gameplay were spot on otherwise.

.....and then FF10 came out.

great visuals and theme, story was so-so (tidus is a chump), but then you play the game and its like

"Follow the blinky radar! Exploration is a thing of the past!" :devilish: The entire game was so empty. Gameplay was almost nonexistant. You could close your eyes and run forward and advance! Mystic Quest was harder and had more gameplay to it!

The sphere grid wasn't my favorite, but it was still pretty cool as far as customizing goes. It definitely fit the theme of the game.

FF11 is well, Ive played it since launch. Lets not talk about that life wasting MMO :dance: (it even has Tetra Master. my addiction returned! LOL). You either like it or you hate it. I love it and its brutal grinding ways.

but then FF12. What. the. hell. Howd they screw it up. It isnt even that they went mainstream or anything. They just screwed the hell up.

The license grid was the stupidest thing ever (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=215). Whats his nuts the main character makes Tidus look like Stallone. They took a bunch of stuff from ff11 and threw it into FF12. Its not as fun when youre OFFLINE. Notorious monster hunts? cmon. Gambits made it to the point where I could just toss the controller down and go to sleep and wake up to my AI characters drilling everything and gaining me tons of xp/stuff. That shouldn't be possible. Diablo 2 didn't even have loopholes that bad! :puke:

Its a shame they took the gameplay and just demolished it into this boring/annoying joke of a gaming experience. The story was pretty nice. Though I think if the game was just Fran and Balthier riding around blowing shit up, it would have been a WAY better game.

heres to hoping FF13 takes their very elaborate/surreal futuristic fantasy theme and actually puts a good game system behind it. They didn't manage it so well with 10 or 12

Oldskool

10-29-2009, 01:06 PM

Kieth Courage
Night Trap/Sewar Shark
Deep Blue (It's really not all that bad)
Castlevania II/Zelda II - yeah they are different than the rest, but I love em'.

DisastrophE

10-29-2009, 01:23 PM

Truth to this. I love the N64 controller and have always found it comfortable and easy to use. All of the crap that the controller gets is totally unwarranted, especially since it influenced all of the controllers that followed.

I agree. I never really had a problem with the controller as a kid. It has the perfect set up for FPS games. But now I can't stand the cheap analog stick :bad-words:

I always felt that Twisted Metal 3 gets alot of unfair criticism. I think alot of it is due to the fact of Sony taking the reins away from SingleTrac and giving the series to 989. I personally think that before TM:Black it was the best in the series. Granted it was my first taste but I tried to play TM1 and 2 and was really rather unimpressed by them.

Also completely agree with this statement. I loved Twisted Metal 3 and 4 and they both get hated on rather severely. I actually enjoyed them more than 1 and 2. Though the first two are still kick ass.

Kevincal

10-29-2009, 08:13 PM

Dunno if Cybermorph has been mentioned yet, but it's actually a good game that gets treated like a red headed step child by most, because it KICKS THEIR ASS!!! :D Tough game, but becomes really cool once you get good at it... Takes a long time though...

c0ldb33r

10-29-2009, 08:17 PM

Whack-A-Mole. Seriously people. You don't have to overbash the machines. You can just use a lighter touch, and be able to whack a bunch more moles!!
booOOOOOOOOoooooo

hang your head.

that was terrible.

Cobra Commander

10-29-2009, 08:56 PM

This.

Before the 'secret' was revealed I didn't hear one bad word about this game. Then the internet came and it became the WORST MARIO GAME EVER!!!

I still think it's leagues better than smb2j.

Thank you god, thank you for saying this. I've been saying this to friends for years now.
Also I'm gonna second Zelda II. Once again, thanks to the net, it now sucks.
Nvermind how the game progressed the series. Nah. It just sucks becuase....well, we just don't know.

diskoboy

10-29-2009, 09:42 PM

I'd have to go with ET, as well. I've played many an Atari game, far worse than ET. I actually started to enjoy it, once i got the hang of it. But it definitely was rushed.

But I can in no way give any credit to VCS Pac-Man.

The first time I played it, I got grounded for a week because I shouted out, "What is this shit?". I was 7 years old... And I didn't know my dad was standing right behind me.

Hearing the VCS version of Pac-Man, even today, still makes me cringe.

vivaeljason

10-29-2009, 10:17 PM

I agree. I never really had a problem with the controller as a kid. It has the perfect set up for FPS games. But now I can't stand the cheap analog stick :bad-words:

The analog stick does break pretty easily (I've broken 2 or 3 in my time), but I still like the controller despite it.

NayusDante

10-29-2009, 10:32 PM

I know PSX FF has been mentioned, but FFVIII is specifically bashed for the draw+junction system and the story. While technically flawed, I liked the junction system a lot, it just would have benefitted from something closer to materia. Think of junctioning materia to different attributes, instead of just equipping them, and using them as magic with regular MP. The Draw command would have worked well in this situation, since you could either learn or cast your enemy's magic, or vice versa to balance things.

The story seems almost universally panned, but I loved it. There's points where it gets riddiculous, but you have to take into account what happens at the end of the game with the time compression. Try playing it with the possibility in mind that it's not a linear story, but rather, Squall's recollection of a series of events. As such, he remembers things in his own skewed perspective, not always seeing the clear picture. At the end of the game, Squall tries to return to reality, which is where I think the actual game takes place. The feather in the intro may very well represent Squall in this struggle to find the real world again. That's what I got out of it, anyway. It's a better story than "Cloud has no personality of his own and must defeat Sephiroth."

Rickstilwell1

10-29-2009, 11:35 PM

For me, some bashed games I like are:

Sonic 3D Blast - Genesis & Saturn: can we accept the fact that not all games of a series have to have the same gameplay mechanics?

Zelda 2 - NES: see above

Beyond the Beyond - Playstation - what's wrong with fighting a lot? the battle system is fun. You get to interact with it instead of just choosing options.

Super Mario Bros. 2 both U and J for NES. neither of them are that bad. If you master the first one, 2j is just slightly challenging. The US version is different but once you get the hang of it it's really easy. Even if it's just a hack, it was the US's only way of getting to play Doki Doki Panic.

Final Fantasy 3 NES - I think it's definately better than FF1&2 NES versions as the battle system is easier (attacks were redirected for the first time) and I love the class changing whenever you want feature.

cyberfluxor

10-30-2009, 01:23 AM

I was wondering if anyone was going to defend Rise of the Robots; guess not.

Leo_A

10-30-2009, 01:45 AM

There's several 2600 games that don't deserve the dislike they get, especially from Coleco's library. I think Time Pilot is one of the 2600's AAA titles, but it recieves much criticism due to its differences from the arcade version rather than being judged on it's own merits. Donkey Kong and Donkey Kong Jr. are much better games that given credit for, and have been unfairly criticizes similarly because they failed to bring home better adaptations of the coinop versions rather than being judged on it's own merits.

Arcade Golf/Miniature Golf is a classic 2600 game that is always entertaining to play through and recieves far too many complaints.

Pole Position II on the 7800 is an excellent game that all too often doesn't recieve the treatment it deserved.

c0ldb33r

10-30-2009, 07:05 AM

I was wondering if anyone was going to defend Rise of the Robots; guess not.
I rented for a weekend when it first came out. I was floored by the graphics and FMV (I had the SNES version). I didn't hate it that much. I played it quite a bit that weekend.

cyberfluxor

10-30-2009, 12:02 PM

I rented for a weekend when it first came out. I was floored by the graphics and FMV (I had the SNES version). I didn't hate it that much. I played it quite a bit that weekend.
The reason I brought it up is because I've read a number of articles pimping this game as epic and revolutionary during development, but at launch it was so poorly received. I have played it and thought it alright, but the mechanics are nowhere near the quality of many other fighters of the time and certainly not the absolutely worst. But the graphics are stunning and wonderful, which was some 16-bit proof that eye candy is only one part of the experience. Still a fun game though.