Sega CD with Model 1 Genesis

[jbjabroni]

was looking around the other day and came upon a few nice finds. main one that got my attention was a snes,saturn, and a genesis model 1 with a sega cd. but it wasn't the normal one with the model 1 it was the side by model for the model 2 genesis. looks very ugly with it. my question is: i didn't get any cables or cords with the cd/genny, will they work together or should i find a model 2 genny?

[Arkhan]

was looking around the other day and came upon a few nice finds. main one that got my attention was a snes,saturn, and a genesis model 1 with a sega cd. but it wasn't the normal one with the model 1 it was the side by model for the model 2 genesis. looks very ugly with it. my question is: i didn't get any cables or cords with the cd/genny, will they work together or should i find a model 2 genny?

I have the side tumor Sega CD w/ a model 1 genesis. I hate it.

It is UGLY to the extreme. Did you get the little underpiece that sits on the left side to fill in that gap since the genesis 1 hangs off the edge like 3 inches?

You can use the typical cords for each, they work fine, and then run the audio out of the sega CD to a stereo and crank it. :)

I just know the genesis uses a different ac adaptor than the sega cd as far as specs on the adaptor..., Im not sure if it actually makes a difference, but if you get the ones that go to each youll be OK.

[PC-ENGINE HELL]

Each one needs a power supply to work. They both use the same type of supply. Video out is from the Genesis. Audio can be too, or you can use the stereo out on the Sega CD. If you use the Sega Cd audio out,with the Genesis 1 I do believe you need a audio mixing cable that plugs into the earphone jack and into the back of the Sega Cd. After everything is combined it'll form Menasor. http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a66/Amakusa666/menasor1.gif
Enjoy.

[Aussie2B]

If you use the Sega Cd audio out,with the Genesis 1 I do believe you need a audio mixing cable that plugs into the earphone jack and into the back of the Sega Cd.

Yup, that's how I got mine.

It's one long mother, but honestly I don't think it's that ugly. All the cables is my biggest beef with it, which makes me glad I own a CDX as well for when I want something small with no fuss.

[Arkhan]

yeah, as far as I know though, the Sega CD one requires a bit more ampage.

Im not climbing behind the TV and traversing the tangle of doom to check for sure though.

you really want to mix the audio and use the audio out like PCE HELL said. Its killer.


Vay especially, hot the fuck damn its great.

[jbjabroni]

sadly, the piece to the side didn't come with it, so as you say it hangs off the side, looks like a hideous monstrosity even without the cables hooked up. I knew the ac adapters were different, but after seeing the model 1 with the side by side i wasn't even sure if it would work.... i mean if its that ugly it shouldn't be a working unit right?

even worse i have a 32x i bought from toysrus back in the day, i'm afraid to hook all these cords.....

[Arkhan]

do it.

attach everything, and then plug like

32X--> Sonic + Knuckles ---> as much other crap as you can stack.

and see what happens

it might be like the time i did super gamegenie--> super gameboy ---> gameboy game genie ---> pokemon yellow ----> broken SNES

boy was that a funny day.


the side-car sega CD is ugly and feels cheap when you hold it.

[Agressivadue]

After everything is combined it'll form Menasor. http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a66/Amakusa666/menasor1.gif
Enjoy.

LOLZ!

[Jorpho]

It is UGLY to the extreme.

it hangs off the side, looks like a hideous monstrosityI am truly baffled at how some people's aesthetics can be so easily offended. It reminds me of people who can't stand playing GBA games on the DS Lite because OMG IT STICKS OUT HOW HORRIBLE.

I mean, geez, do you spend more time looking at the system than playing it? When you try to play the games, are you unable to concentrate because your eyes keep drifting from the screen to look at some piece of plastic?

[Arkhan]

well, its this like 2 foot wide black lumpy mess on the bottom shelf of all my stuff, and when you take it out, you got this dumbass black thing that isn't even attached to make the thing even looking on the shelf anyways.

it only looks like shit when clicked onto a genesis 1 since its all uneven.

that doesn't change the fact that the thing feels cheap when you move it around though.

[PC-ENGINE HELL]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a66/Amakusa666/menasorisbetter.jpg

[Kiddo]

A Model 1 w/ Model 2 SCD is the only SCD setup I have at the moment.

The additional plastic really helps make it look better. It's still huge, less, but it's more like... American huge, rather than Franken-Huge.

[Breetai]

I actually LIKE the look of the model one Genny with a model 2 Sega CD. Then again, that's the setup I've had since 1993 so it could be that I'm just very used to it!

I've also got a Mega Drive 1/Mega CD 1 setup. It looks "proper", of course, but I kind of like the way the mismatched setup looks (with the extender on the bottom, of course!!!).

[Arkhan]

the extender just makes it even more ghetto-fab.

you might as well put spinners on it.

[BocoDragon]

Functionally though... a model 1 Genesis with a Model 2 Sega CD is actually the best setup. Model 1 with "high definition graphics" written on the top, with no TMSS copy protection screen at the beginning, has been proven to have the best sound quality. And while a model 1 Sega CD is pretty good, and looks nice with a model 1 Genesis, the drive door can wear out over time. Sega CD 2 is a more reliable machine (though if your model 1 Sega CD works fine.. more power to you!)

So there you go: Model 1 Genesis and Model 2 Sega CD. And unless you're modding for S-video or live in PAL land with RGB output, mount a 32X on top just for the better composite output quality.

For the record, the sound quality of most Genesis 2's are garbage.. and the video quality is poor on all but the most rare iteration of Genesis 2.

I love my model 1 Genesis/Model 2 Sega CD setup I completed just a few weeks ago.... but yeah I found the "extender" piece... not to mention the RF shielding plate which bolts under the Genesis.... I really like the look of the setup! And like I said, those in the know will tell you it's a quality setup where it counts: performance and AV quality.

[Arkhan]

yes the model 2 sega CD is way more reliable even if it feels cheap since alot of it is hollow plastic.

but its so UGLY~! :-D lol.

the mixer + audio is the best thing ever though. You really arent playing sega til you do that.

[BocoDragon]

the mixer + audio is the best thing ever though. You really arent playing sega til you do that.

Agreed! I used to diss Sega audio back in the day... but boy does Genesis sound have its charm! Thank Yuzo Koshiro for that! Not to mention CD stuff.

If you're using a model 1, though, sometimes I wonder if a Y cable (mini-to-RCA style) from the headphone jack won't do the same- or better?

I've been experimenting with my new Genesis 1/Sega CD combo and I found that the headphone jack DOES output the CD audio as well as Genesis sound! So why the whole mixing cable thing? Of course Y cables didn't really exist much back then, and it would have been a ghetto way to hook up the console officially.. they needed an elegant way to make the Sega combo stereo-enabled from the rear of the unit ... but it sounds identical to me as using the mixing cable + audio jacks.

Maybe they're the same... or maybe some Sega expert can tell me if I'm better off running to my stereo directly from the headphone jack, or through the Sega CD audio jacks?

[Arkhan]

it would do the same to an extent (the internal mixery is better quality than the headphone out), but the real beauty comes from blasting Sega CD games. :-D


I was playing Ecco CD last night with the bass all the way up. talk about awesome.


hell its awesome if you play the cartridge one too!

[thunderkid]

Try blasting the Sega CD version of Spiderman vs Kingpin. I think it has an awesome Spencer Nielson soundtrack.

[jbjabroni]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a66/Amakusa666/menasorisbetter.jpg

Now thats hilarious, I totally can imaging MMPR Zord Morph with Sega Genesis and Sega CD....

[Push Upstairs]

sadly, the piece to the side didn't come with it, so as you say it hangs off the side, looks like a hideous monstrosity even without the cables hooked up. I knew the ac adapters were different, but after seeing the model 1 with the side by side i wasn't even sure if it would work.... i mean if its that ugly it shouldn't be a working unit right?

even worse i have a 32x i bought from toysrus back in the day, i'm afraid to hook all these cords.....

At Sega-16, we call the Model 1/SCD Model 2/32X setup "Super Battleship Formation".

When you view that mass of black plastic, you'll know why.

[Arkhan]

holy crap. I never looked at it that way.

maybe ill glue little turrets on this beast, and some little plastic sailorfolk.

[PSony]

It looks more like an aircraft carrier.

[Breetai]

I don't know which "Super Battleship" is better.

Sega's:
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1176/sdc10157o.jpg

or

NEC's:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/PCEngine_SuperGrafx_with_SuperCDRom2.jpg/800px-PCEngine_SuperGrafx_with_SuperCDRom2.jpg

[PC-ENGINE HELL]

The answer should be obvious. SuperGrafx Super Cd rom2 combo.

[Rickstilwell1]

The nicer thing about using the Genesis 1 with your setup is that you will also be able to swap out the 32X for the Power Base converter and play SMS games at any time.

The easiest way to do this with less hassle is to plug both the RF switch from the Genesis unit into the TV or VCR as well as the AV cords coming from the 32X. That way they both stay hooked to the TV and Sega Master System games can be played with a change to channel 3.

The Sega Master system game sounds should still come out of the rear of the Sega CD if I remember right.

[GarrettCRW]

http://www.pointsincase.com/files/u46/devastator.jpg

Devastator says that he's better than Menasor.

[PC-ENGINE HELL]

I think Devastator and Menasor both are better then that shit bot abomination I drew lol.

[GarrettCRW]

http://home.comcast.net/~mathewignash/images/csomegasupreme.jpg

Image bad, Omega Supreme!

[Oldskool]

Everyone knows that Unicron is the best! Sheeesh.

I like the look of the X'Eye. Boy does it look a hell of a lot cleaner than all of the other setups. The only problem with the X'Eye of course is the green power switch, and the fact that if you have a 32X installed, you have to remove it to pop in a CD.

Although, I think the X'Eye is the neatest looking of them all, I'd have to say that the Model 1 with the model 1 CD is just staggeringly beautiful.

[Jorpho]

the Model 1 with the model 1 CD is just staggeringly beautiful.dude, they're pieces of black plastic

[jbjabroni]

dude, they're pieces of black plastic

Exactly...

[Oldskool]

dude, they're pieces of black plastic ... that are staggeringly beautiful! And yes, I do glance over at my consoles when I am playing games when I have the chance.

[Paet]

Anyone else think it's gay to bitch about the aesthetics of a Genesis model 1 with a Sega CD model 2? They work fine together. Both consoles have some excellent, wonderful, and unique games, enjoy them.

[Arkhan]

man if bitching about console aesthetics is gay, consider me lubed and ready to invade some man-ass.

lol

[Oldskool]

Really, in the end of it all - I could care less about what a console looks like - because like mentioned, the games are what matters. But even still, I admire and take notice of consoles that are nice to look at, or just plain ugly.

[Paet]

Really, in the end of it all - I could care less about what a console looks like - because like mentioned, the games are what matters. But even still, I admire and take notice of consoles that are nice to look at, or just plain ugly.


http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/ukr/pics/dcstandbig.gif


:D

[Tokimemofan]

Functionally though... a model 1 Genesis with a Model 2 Sega CD is actually the best setup. Model 1 with "high definition graphics" written on the top, with no TMSS copy protection screen at the beginning, has been proven to have the best sound quality. And while a model 1 Sega CD is pretty good, and looks nice with a model 1 Genesis, the drive door can wear out over time. Sega CD 2 is a more reliable machine (though if your model 1 Sega CD works fine.. more power to you!)

So there you go: Model 1 Genesis and Model 2 Sega CD. And unless you're modding for S-video or live in PAL land with RGB output, mount a 32X on top just for the better composite output quality.

For the record, the sound quality of most Genesis 2's are garbage.. and the video quality is poor on all but the most rare iteration of Genesis 2.

I love my model 1 Genesis/Model 2 Sega CD setup I completed just a few weeks ago.... but yeah I found the "extender" piece... not to mention the RF shielding plate which bolts under the Genesis.... I really like the look of the setup! And like I said, those in the know will tell you it's a quality setup where it counts: performance and AV quality.

Usually but some games react badly if you use a ram cart through a 32x if a model 1 genesis is used (Lunar II) and a few versions of the CD model 2 choke on other games (the one with a 240 laser didn't work well with Lunar 1). This is one of few systems where people should get more than one version.

[Emperor Megas]

Really, in the end of it all - I could care less about what a console looks like...How much less could you care, exactly?

[theredlineboss]

In my case, I specifically wanted my model 1 Genesis to have a model 2 CD as its companion. For some reason, I like how obnoxiously large the "super battleship formation (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v142/theredlineboss/Games/DSCN1465.jpg)" is. :D

-Rob

[Jorpho]

For some reason, I like how obnoxiously large the "super battleship formation (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v142/theredlineboss/Games/DSCN1465.jpg)" is. :D What's the doohickey on the front?

[substantial_snake]

What's the doohickey on the front?

Its an official Sega wireless controller receiver. It actually works great too if your console is sitting relatively close to where your hands sit when you play. They feel great and are my favorite offical genesis controllers with both the feel of the "battrangs" but the button quality and layout of the later models. I'ed use them more if my genesis in an awkward sitting location.

http://www.cedmagic.com/tech-info/remote-control/sega-joystick.jpg

[Edmond Dantes]

Holy shit. Do they sell non-wireless versions of those controllers?

I have a few wired six-button controllers but honestly, I hate how small they are. Why couldn't they make them big and round like the regular three-button controllers?

[substantial_snake]

Holy shit. Do they sell non-wireless versions of those controllers?

I have a few wired six-button controllers but honestly, I hate how small they are. Why couldn't they make them big and round like the regular three-button controllers?

I really don't know why they didn't just stick with the battarang design, I know that a few third party Genesis controllers did just house 6 buttons inside what looked like the original shell but most of those looked kinda cheap.

The other problem with these controllers is that if you own an X'eye or a CDX it won't work. The way that it slots in is that is used the standard distance of the two controller ports to plug into the system, since the X'eye and CDX have different layouts it just wont fit. However I think you might be able to plug in a couple of the controller extension cables then plug the receiver into that...I think I'm going to try this.

[Gameguy]

Holy shit. Do they sell non-wireless versions of those controllers?

I have a few wired six-button controllers but honestly, I hate how small they are. Why couldn't they make them big and round like the regular three-button controllers?
You could try to get the controllers for the Model 3 Genesis, they're 6 button but the same size like the original 3 button ones. I borrowed the image from google, it's still on photobucket so I don't think I'm stealing bandwidth. I didn't want to have to re-host it somewhere else.


http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m98/TrekkiesUnite118/th_6Button.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/image/genesis model 3 controller/TrekkiesUnite118/6Button.jpg)

[BlastProcessing402]

Wow, if I'd known model 3 had a cool controller like that, I might've gotten one.

Anyway, Sega CD 2 with Gen 1 might be ugly, but it's NOTHING next to the hosebeast that a Sega CD 1 with Gen 2 forms. Now that is gnaw your arm off to get away without waking it in the morning ugly.

Okay, I'm greatly exaggerating, but seriously it looks worse than the other way around.

[Emperor Megas]

The other problem with these controllers is that if you own an X'eye or a CDX it won't work. The way that it slots in is that is used the standard distance of the two controller ports to plug into the system, since the X'eye and CDX have different layouts it just wont fit. However I think you might be able to plug in a couple of the controller extension cables then plug the receiver into that...I think I'm going to try this.I'm pretty sure you can. I don't have that particular device, but I always used extender cables for my Akklaim wireless IR Gen and SNES controller receivers. That way you can use them on any systems that support the controller standard, and you can put the sensor anywhere you need it to be.

[understatement]

Holy shit. Do they sell non-wireless versions of those controllers?

I have a few wired six-button controllers but honestly, I hate how small they are. Why couldn't they make them big and round like the regular three-button controllers?

If you're talking about the bottom center (I think it's the Model 3, and I think the one Gameguy shows is a Model 4) then yea way to small but the ones up top are a good size, same layout as the wireless and only slightly smaller than the wireless. The wireless is maybe 1/8" bigger and the start button is moved because of the batteries.

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4100&stc=1&d=1322708487


I'm pretty sure you can. I don't have that particular device, but I always used extender cables for my Akklaim wireless IR Gen and SNES controller receivers. That way you can use them on any systems that support the controller standard, and you can put the sensor anywhere you need it to be.

This, and as soon as I get another SNES extender the SNES receiver will be up there too.

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4101&stc=1&d=1322708529

[Edmond Dantes]

*Adds to checklist: Get two six-button controllers like the one Gameguy showed*

[substantial_snake]

*Adds to checklist: Get two six-button controllers like the one Gameguy showed*

If your interested check out this page for a fairly complete listing of all the Genesis third party controllers along with a few links under game controllers near the bottom of the page. Their are several more battarang 6 button variants available, I just don't want to fill out the topic with images.

http://segaretro.org/Sega_Mega_Drive_Third-Party_Controllers


I'm pretty sure you can. I don't have that particular device, but I always used extender cables for my Akklaim wireless IR Gen and SNES controller receivers. That way you can use them on any systems that support the controller standard, and you can put the sensor anywhere you need it to be.

How are the SNES wireless options?
It would take a lot for me to give up on my ASCII pads.


*words*

Awesome! Now I'm going to pick up some of those cables.

[Edmond Dantes]

A lot of the controllers featured on that page look pretty sweet. I especially like the Competition Pro mark III (http://segaretro.org/File:CompetitionPro_ControlPad_MD_3.jpg).

Yeah, you know what I'm gonna be hunting for when I get back into fighting games.

Heh, one of them is called the "dual turbo." I mistakenly read that as "turbo duo."

[xelement5x]

I personally really enjoy the Model 1 Genesis with the Model 2 Sega CD. Like others have mentioned, you get superior audio for Genesis and the reliability of the Model 2 Sega CD. The best looking though is the original Model 1 Japanese Mega CD, that thing just looks amazing when you see it's purdy lights and such. Someone on Sega16 posted an unboxing video of one and it was a really cool watch.

[BlastProcessing402]

If your interested check out this page for a fairly complete listing of all the Genesis third party controllers along with a few links under game controllers near the bottom of the page. Their are several more battarang 6 button variants available, I just don't want to fill out the topic with images.

http://segaretro.org/Sega_Mega_Drive_Third-Party_Controllers

Fairly complete? Doesn't even have Beeshu in there. Before the 6 button pads came in, I lived and breathed my Beeshu Striker pad with the built in headphone extension cord. Sadly, their similar SNES pad, the Angler, was the biggest waste of plastic this side of the Xbox Duke pads.

[Edmond Dantes]

Even so, that's an awful lot of sexy controllers.

... I think I'll need to be alone a minute...