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Icarus Moonsight
12-20-2009, 12:15 PM
They needed more places to level grind in Snatcher... Oh, and without a Justifier, the active battle system and summons were ass too. If they made it more like Zelda, it would have been a better RPG. :p

Seriously, think about it. If it were text based (forget about RPG a second), what was all the CDA, graphics and cinematics about?

Daria
12-20-2009, 12:30 PM
"Visual novel" is not a genre. It's a text based RPG. How is it anything else? Literally the only difference between Snatcher and most other text based RPGs are that Snatcher has graphics and the occasional shooting sequence.

What's a text-based RPG? That's a new genre to me.

I always thought Snatcher was a text-adventure/point and click type of game... basically an old school "adventure" game before people started dicking around with the definition of the genre.

Daria
12-20-2009, 12:38 PM
It's really rather silly to try to compare the Genesis's RPG library to the SNES's, and this is from someone who adores the Shining Force games. A few gems aside, RPG support on the Genesis can't hold a candle to the support the SNES got (and if we were to throw in Super Famicom and Mega Drive, it would be even more of a joke).

And Snatcher isn't remotely an RPG.

Both system had roughly 40 RPGs (US release), and an equal amount of crap. And I'm not counting the Sega CD.

j_factor
12-20-2009, 05:10 PM
"Visual novel" is not a genre. It's a text based RPG. How is it anything else? Literally the only difference between Snatcher and most other text based RPGs are that Snatcher has graphics and the occasional shooting sequence.

It's an adventure game, not an RPG. Other than the shooting sequences (and maybe the anime style), it would have fit very well amongst Sierra's catalog. Or LucasArts, except most LucasArts adventures aren't very serious.

It's not an RPG because there's no real combat.

SplashChick
12-20-2009, 07:28 PM
It's an adventure game, not an RPG. Other than the shooting sequences (and maybe the anime style), it would have fit very well amongst Sierra's catalog. Or LucasArts, except most LucasArts adventures aren't very serious.

It's not an RPG because there's no real combat.

Many text based RPGs don't have combat. The shooting sequences could be argued to be combat.

SplashChick
12-20-2009, 07:35 PM
What's a text-based RPG? That's a new genre to me.

I always thought Snatcher was a text-adventure/point and click type of game... basically an old school "adventure" game before people started dicking around with the definition of the genre.

Stuff like Zork. The original RPGs.

Sonicwolf
12-20-2009, 07:37 PM
What's a text-based RPG? That's a new genre to me.

Some of the earliest computer games ever were text-based rpg's.

"It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue."

j_factor
12-20-2009, 11:01 PM
Many text based RPGs don't have combat. The shooting sequences could be argued to be combat.

I don't know what you mean by "text based RPGs". I'm sure they exist, but I can't think of any. Perhaps you're thinking of text adventures. EDIT: Oh, you mentioned Zork. Yeah, that's a text adventure, not an RPG.

The shooting sequences aren't "combat" in the RPG sense of the word. They're just straightforward action sequences. In an RPG, your abilities and/or attributes grow with combat experience (often directly with "experience points", but not necessarily).

Daria
12-20-2009, 11:04 PM
I'm sorry. I take that back MUDs are text based RPGs.

Zork is a text adventure. Adventure games revolve around solving puzzles to advance the story, as opposed to gaining levels to advance.

kupomogli
12-20-2009, 11:24 PM
I've played an awesome internet site based RPG, wasn't text based so this is off topic. It was based around a Final Fantasy town with a lot of FF6 characters and it areas like a library, inn, weapon store, armor store, item store, airship place, etc.

You chose what kind of stats and class you'd be by answering questions and then whenever entering different areas of the town you had a certain amount of chance to run into a random battle instead of it loading the page you went to.

There was also this gambling place ran by Setzer you could choose to bet a specific amount of money to play a game where you could take 1-3 rocks out of the bowl and whoever took them all won.

This game was later replaced by a flash game that had you controlling a moogle and running you would be in town, then you ran around an area with a fairly good random battle system leveling up, equipping materia, etc. Supposedly the guy was doing all of this on a schools computer so once he was no longer at that school, the server he shut down the server and the site just remained open with that information that it would be shut down.

Talking about text based RPGs reminded me of that. Again, not text based, but still. Zork sucks btw. It was good back then, but it's no where near interesting nowdays.

Daria
12-20-2009, 11:56 PM
Zork sucks btw. It was good back then, but it's no where near interesting nowdays.

Pah. You think everything sucks.

Icarus Moonsight
12-21-2009, 12:57 AM
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You win! *Final Fantasy battle victory fanfare*

Gameguy
12-21-2009, 01:07 AM
"Visual novel" is not a genre. It's a text based RPG. How is it anything else? Literally the only difference between Snatcher and most other text based RPGs are that Snatcher has graphics and the occasional shooting sequence.

Stuff like Zork. The original RPGs.
You must not know what an RPG is. RPG video games are basically video game versions of RPG board games. You have characters that basically become more powerful as they become more experienced. Your character levels up, has more stamina, etc. The recent Castlevania games are more like RPGs than Snatcher ever was.

Zork is an early type of text adventure(otherwise know as "interactive fiction"), I have the Zork anthology and it says they're "Text Adventures" right on the front of it. I should point out that later text adventures did have some graphics, mainly some still images that were shown during specific areas in the game to better illustrate the surroundings. Of course, you still controlled the events in the game with the text parser and you couldn't see your character interact with any of the surrounding. It was just a still picture.

There were classic dungeon crawler RPGs that used a text parser to control what happens in the game, plenty of these were first person perspective and they are RPGs. Your character could become stronger as you get more experience, can level up, etc. I'm not really too familiar with classic RPGs, I'm mostly familiar with adventure games.


Some of the earliest computer games ever were text-based rpg's.

"It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue."
That's from Zork which is a text adventure. They're basically the same as early graphic adventures but without the graphics. Early graphic adventures showed your character interact with the environment instead of just describing what was happening with text. The controls were still just a text parser for input and you couldn't control the actions with a mouse until later.


Zork is a text adventure. Adventure games revolve around solving puzzles to advance the story, as opposed to gaining levels to advance.
Yes, this is correct. Thank you. :)

Most adventure games use inventory based puzzles to add to the gaming experience(western style). Visual Novels are basically the Japanese style of adventure games, instead of inventory based puzzles they focus on menu based or dialog tree puzzles(more like choose your own adventure books). Snatcher is a Japanese game which is why it's in the Japanese style, like the more recent Phoenix Wright games. There can be variations, with different types of gameplay added to further enhance the experience. Games that have actual puzzles to solve instead of inventory based are more western style too, and are further classified as Puzzle-Adventures(think 7th Guest style puzzles).

Zelda games are action adventure games, you collect inventory items and use those items to solve various puzzles and obstacles throughout the game. It's not just a standard adventure game though, you control the direct movements and actions of the character which is why it's an action adventure.

It just bugs me when RPGs and adventure games are confused, I like most adventure games but I don't like most RPGs. I kind of feel that an adventure game is being insulted when it's described as an RPG. Maybe I just lack the patience to play through an RPG, I didn't like the experience when I was a kid but maybe my tastes have changed enough that I can get through more of them.

Daria
12-21-2009, 01:16 AM
This thread makes me want to play some apple II games.

Sonicwolf
12-21-2009, 01:20 AM
This thread makes me want to play some apple II games.

I didnt think the Apple II had a good game library... Am I just uneducated? LOL

Icarus Moonsight
12-21-2009, 01:30 AM
I don't know how many hours I wasted on an Apple][ eating prime numbers in Number Muncher or contracting Typhoid in Oregon Trail... School was mostly boring for me, but at least we had a computer there. :D


It just bugs me when RPGs and adventure games are confused, I like most adventure games but I don't like most RPGs. I kind of feel that an adventure game is being insulted when it's described as an RPG.

Quoted for emphasis.

Sonicwolf
12-21-2009, 01:40 AM
I don't know how many hours I wasted on an Apple][ eating prime numbers in Number Muncher or contracting Typhoid in Oregon Trail... School was mostly boring for me, but at least we had a computer there. :D

So you DIDN'T die of dysentery!

SplashChick
12-21-2009, 04:29 AM
Text based RPG is the common accepted term as far as I know. They're similar enough to be the same genre.

Either way, "visual novel" still isn't a genre.

Sosage
12-21-2009, 05:08 AM
Are we going to start calling the lightgun section of Snatcher a first person shooter now as well?

Where are my stats, leveling up and grinding sections in Snatcher? My copy seems to have been swapped for some sort of Bladerunner inspired adventure game instead. I want this elusive RPG version everyone is talking about. Why did Konami ship me the wrong game back in 1994?

Buns34
12-21-2009, 05:30 AM
Are we going to start calling the lightgun section of Snatcher a first person shooter now as well?

Where are my stats, leveling up and grinding sections in Snatcher? My copy seems to have been swapped for some sort of Bladerunner inspired adventure game instead. I want this elusive RPG version everyone is talking about. Why did Konami ship me the wrong game back in 1994?

QFT! And to this day no game has rivaled the story and atmosphere of Snatcher! We need this in HD on the X-Box Live Arcade! :)

vivaeljason
12-21-2009, 07:01 AM
Text based RPG is the common accepted term as far as I know. They're similar enough to be the same genre.

Either way, "visual novel" still isn't a genre.

RPGs and adventure games really aren't all that similar. In an RPG, your character (and other party members, if applicable) gain experience throughout the game (usually through battles) and become more powerful through said gaining of experience. Combat/battles in RPGs are based around your ability to think ahead and correctly choose what to attack or defend with.

Adventure games tend to be more about puzzle solving than anything else, though combat of course can play a part. There are elements of exploration and mystery-solving as well.

And visual novel is a genre.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_novel

tom
12-21-2009, 10:28 AM
I didnt think the Apple II had a good game library... Am I just uneducated? LOL

Perhaps?:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c173/thomasholzer/SWScan00023.jpg

Article from EG 1985

Zoltor
12-21-2009, 11:54 AM
Perhaps?:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c173/thomasholzer/SWScan00023.jpg

Article from EG 1985

Don't forget the King's Quest games or Prince of Persia. Also I think the Origon Trail was on the apple 2, if I recall.

Yea there were some good games indeed

Daria
12-21-2009, 12:33 PM
And visual novel is a genre.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_novel

The "Visual Novels" released in the west are usually *ahem* hentai games.

Aussie2B
12-21-2009, 02:37 PM
Text based RPG is the common accepted term as far as I know. They're similar enough to be the same genre.

Either way, "visual novel" still isn't a genre.

Considering the people around here tend to know their stuff and they're scratching their heads over the idea of a "text-based RPG", it most certainly isn't commonly accepted, and I'd venture to guess that whoever you got it from made it up on the spot.

And thousands of Japanese developers would differ with you regarding the existence of visual novels. That Wikipedia page isn't bad, but there are plenty of visual novels without anime and pretty of dating sims that can't be regarded as visual novels. But if that isn't enough proof for you, how about this:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/psp/home/924566.html

There are even "makers" for visual novels like RPG Maker:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/snes/home/571453.html
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/saturn/home/580984.html

Sound novel is just another name for visual novels, which Chunsoft has copyrighted.

Ed Oscuro
12-21-2009, 04:34 PM
If visual novel is a genre, then jRPG isn't a genre either. This just describes the game's format (although format is my preferred term for writing about specific hardware attributes, i.e. vertical or horizontal screen orientation, or system i.e. PC / console).

Mystery / hentai / whatever are also genres descriptive of a game's content.

$0.02

Honestly, wow, calling visual novels not a genre. I mean it's okay to slag off the genre as a whole but I can't see any possible benefit to pretending the genre doesn't exist ROFL

/me looks at topic

Yep.

Poofta!
12-21-2009, 10:20 PM
poofta!
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SNES

while i had the genesis first, i always wanted a snes. i just prefer the games. the rpgs were vastly better on the snes. i also loved mario world a lot more than all of the sonic games combined. sure the genesis had better figthers, but i guess i cared about the other games more. also i liked the controller more and the whole 'world of nintendo' and nintendo power community. sega just felt like it stood alone.

Poofta!
12-21-2009, 10:26 PM
You are logged-in to Digital Press Forums. What would you like to do?

>Hit Kupomogli with shovel

I do not know what a "Kupomogli" is.

>Hit butthurt-fanboy with shovel

It's super effective! Butthurt-fanboy is down!

>Use torch on butthurt-fanboy

Butthurt-fanboy is ON FIRE!

>Laugh

You win! *Final Fantasy battle victory fanfare*

LOL +1


btw, i collect rpgs for both consoles, and after reading the last couple pages noticed what this thread evolved to. my .02$ is such:

snes had VASTLY superior rpgs. yes the genesis had some good ones, in fact it had one of my all time favorites: Landstalker. but nevertheless, snes ruled the genre. i never counted, but lets say the 40 releases per console is accurate, i can easily list at least 2-3 times as many snes rpgs as genesis. and thats coming from an rpg enthusiast and collector, i think most people are even worse off, probably 5 snes to 1 genesis.

edit: oh and snatcher isnt an rpg ;)