rarity alert: "Rival Schools "can't be re-released" capcom says

[jaekwon15]

Capcom has re-released a number of classic fighting games over Xbox Live Arcade, the PlayStation Network, and Wii Virtual Console in recent years, including straight-up ports and full-blown remakes. But one game that it seems we'll sadly never seen again is the cult PS1 classic Rival Schools: United by Fate.

"There are IP clearances and rights we no longer have (particularly pertaining to voicework/soundtrack I believe) so our IP management group has told us it can't be re-released," said Capcom's Christian Svensson, in response to a user's forum question about the game (via Destructoid). "I'm sorry as it's one of the ones I really wanted to see be put back up. So if you still have that PS1 Rival Schools disc in your collection, it's unfortunately going to be the only way that gets played for the foreseeable future."

As for the game's Dreamcast sequel Project Justice, Svensson didn't specify whether they still owned all the rights to re-release it down the road. Of course, that'll first mean Capcom would have to start re-releasing Dreamcast games, but hey, it doesn't hurt to hope.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3177282


so should collector's get this fast before we see the price raised even more?

[Ed Oscuro]

It's not a "rarity alert" so much as it is a "lack of cheap downloadable alternatives" alert. It doubtlessly will have some small impact on availability, but then again so would emulation. So, back to square one then.

[j_factor]

Rival Schools, Batsu, purchase, you ought to
It came with one free CD, it's like I bought two
I hope they make part 2 for Dreamcast
'cause games I've seen in mags, you won't believe they have

[kupomogli]

Hopefully they release a Rival Schools 3 on the PS360. From how it sounded is that it has problems with its IP because of certain things in the game. If they removed what was having problems with in a third game and just built around what they had left(as well as having characters from the second game added,) they'd have another great game for a next gen system.

Capcom has so many good series they've completely dropped. I think they should start picking up on a few of their other series, such as Rival Schools, Power Stone, or atleast Breath of Fire.

[G-Boobie]

Rival Schools, Batsu, purchase, you ought to
It came with one free CD, it's like I bought two
I hope they make part 2 for Dreamcast
'cause games I've seen in mags, you won't believe they have

lol!

We kicked some casual Rival Schools today at Michigan Masters, actually. I'd forgotten how much fun that game is. Has anyone played the aforementioned sequel, Project Justice, and is it worth picking up at it's ridiculous aftermarket price tag?

[jaekwon15]

It's not a "rarity alert" so much as it is a "lack of cheap downloadable alternatives" alert. It doubtlessly will have some small impact on availability, but then again so would emulation. So, back to square one then.

let me put it this way...

Castlevania Chronicles for ps1 use to cost at least 70 dollars for a complete version. since the psn release, i can find complete copies for 30 dollars.

Marvel Vs. Capcom 2 on average would cost 100 dollars for a complete version. since the digital release, the game has dropped to aprox. 50 dollars.

now imagine the reverse effect of that. it has been officialy announced that there will be no psn, xbox live, or VC version. not now, not soon, not ever. this news could easily drive the price of existing copies way up.

[G-Boobie]

let me put it this way...

Castlevania Chronicles for ps1 use to cost at least 70 dollars for a complete version. since the psn release, i can find complete copies for 30 dollars.

Marvel Vs. Capcom 2 on average would cost 100 dollars for a complete version. since the digital release, the game has dropped to aprox. 50 dollars.

now imagine the reverse effect of that. it has been officialy announced that there will be no psn, xbox live, or VC version. not now, not soon, not ever. this news could easily drive the price of existing copies way up.

Dude, I bought CC four years ago, near mint, for forty bucks. A quick search on Ebay will show you that the price hasn't fluctuated all that much.

MvC2 has a very prolific and enthusiastic community that has no less than six different ways to play the game: there's no community for Rival Schools (despite it's radness!) Besides, MvC2 had a very low print run to justify it's resale value. RSUBF is much easier to find.

They'll never reprint Evil Zone, Psychic Force, Senko No Ronde, or Battle Raper 3 either. That doesn't mean they'll be worth significantly more in the future, unless a huge community suddenly springs up around them.

[SplashChick]

Battle Raper 3

I think you may have misspelled that. o_0

[Sosage]

I think you may have misspelled that. o_0

...or did he (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWYshLcQiJc)? Bikini Samurai Squad level of NSFW there.

[Bojay1997]

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3177282


so should collector's get this fast before we see the price raised even more?

We should take these claims with a grain of salt. Capcom said the exact same thing about Marvel vs. Capcom, claiming they couldn't get the rights. Somehow, they made it happen. I doubt Rival Schools would be as complicated an IP to license as dealing with Marvel would be.

[portnoyd]

Castlevania Chronicles for ps1 use to cost at least 70 dollars for a complete version. since the psn release, i can find complete copies for 30 dollars.

Marvel Vs. Capcom 2 on average would cost 100 dollars for a complete version. since the digital release, the game has dropped to aprox. 50 dollars.

now imagine the reverse effect of that. it has been officialy announced that there will be no psn, xbox live, or VC version. not now, not soon, not ever. this news could easily drive the price of existing copies way up.

Rarity =/= value.

[kupomogli]

Has anyone played the aforementioned sequel, Project Justice, and is it worth picking up at it's ridiculous aftermarket price tag?

I don't know the price of Project Justice right now, but the game is definitely worth picking up. Basically take the same game, up the graphics, and add more characters for each school. Wild Daigo and Zaki are two characters I really like that are only on Project Justice, but pretty much every other character on the original Rival Schools is on there as well(except the custom characters I think.)

It's been an extremely long time since I've played the game because I didn't own it, my friend did. I only own the PSX Rival Schools.


Evil Zone

I liked. It gets old fairly quickly but it's really fun playing multiplayer. Good came considering it's a one button fighter.

[walrusmonger]

Project Justice was fun, but I don't think it's worth the $60+ it's going for now. This thread made me check through my old paypal transactions to see if I sold my copy before (when it was worth less....) but I couldn't find it. Maybe I'll get lucky and it'll be in storage at my parent's house :)

[Kyle15]

MvC2 has a very prolific and enthusiastic community that has no less than six different ways to play the game: there's no community for Rival Schools (despite it's radness!) Besides, MvC2 had a very low print run to justify it's resale value. RSUBF is much easier to find.


MVC2 had nowhere near a very low print run, at least by what I've seen. There's been a steady supply at most of the Gamestops here. I did some "phone call searching" and found around 30 copies within 100 miles alone. For the record, I have only seen RS a little more than three times. MVC2 was nearly common back when it came out, and still is to an extent.


I don't know the price of Project Justice right now, but the game is definitely worth picking up. Basically take the same game, up the graphics, and add more characters for each school. Wild Daigo and Zaki are two characters I really like that are only on Project Justice, but pretty much every other character on the original Rival Schools is on there as well(except the custom characters I think.)


Or, they could just make an all new game. Seeing a sequel would be a lot cooler than an "enchanced" remake. All that time and money would be better spent on something new anyway.

[skaar]

It's likely the soundtrack that's the issue.... that's my guess anyway.

[G-Boobie]

...or did he (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWYshLcQiJc)? Bikini Samurai Squad level of NSFW there.

Yeah... Sorry if I exposed more people to the existence of Battle Raper. I'm honestly shocked it isn't some kind of meme by now.


I liked. It gets old fairly quickly but it's really fun playing multiplayer. Good came considering it's a one button fighter.

Yeah. Evil Zone is pretty great, and so is the sequel.


MVC2 had nowhere near a very low print run, at least by what I've seen. There's been a steady supply at most of the Gamestops here. I did some "phone call searching" and found around 30 copies within 100 miles alone. For the record, I have only seen RS a little more than three times. MVC2 was nearly common back when it came out, and still is to an extent.

Capcom lost the Marvel license very soon after releasing MvC2, so there were never enough copies to satisfy demand. I've seen a few copies at stores around town, but the asking price hasn't diminished much (here in MI, at least).

The value of PSX Persona hasn't dropped much since the re-release on PSP, Final Fantasy VII still goes for quite a bit despite the PSN release: I'm just saying that availability as a download doesn't always affect the value of the physical disc.

[j_factor]

MVC2 had nowhere near a very low print run, at least by what I've seen. There's been a steady supply at most of the Gamestops here. I did some "phone call searching" and found around 30 copies within 100 miles alone. For the record, I have only seen RS a little more than three times. MVC2 was nearly common back when it came out, and still is to an extent.

Depends which version you're talking about.

[kupomogli]

Or, they could just make an all new game. Seeing a sequel would be a lot cooler than an "enchanced" remake. All that time and money would be better spent on something new anyway.

I wasn't saying rereleasing Project Justice. G-Boobie was asking if it was better than Rival Schools and worth the amount it's going for on Ebay. I just said that Project Justice was Rival Schools with more characters and better graphics.

However, if it did get a PS360 release regardless of being a port or entirely new game, yet had online. I'd definitely pick it up.

[Kyle15]

Depends which version you're talking about.

The PS2 version. I never actually knew it had a small production run until a couple of years ago. Seeing so many copies around led me to believe it was never short printed.


I wasn't saying rereleasing Project Justice. G-Boobie was asking if it was better than Rival Schools and worth the amount it's going for on Ebay. I just said that Project Justice was Rival Schools with more characters and better graphics.

However, if it did get a PS360 release regardless of being a port or entirely new game, yet had online. I'd definitely pick it up.

Ah, I see. Jumped to the chase a bit too fast there. Anyway, I agree. :)

[j_factor]

The PS2 version. I never actually knew it had a small production run until a couple of years ago. Seeing so many copies around led me to believe it was never short printed.

The impression that I get is that the Xbox version had a smaller print run.

[Ed Oscuro]

Rarity =/= value.
Thank you sir.

And thanks to jaekwon for pointing me to the possibility of deals on Chronicles. Honestly, this rerelease stuff is good for everybody. It's kind of like how Chronicles was supposed to bring down the price of Dracula X68000.

Silly me, I went after that one before emulation was good but after it was no longer completely unknown in the collecting community...I don't think the original X68000 version will ever return to 2003 and prior levels, but it shouldn't be near the peak anymore. That one will always have some real rarity though, especially as the original hardware is hard to locate and import.

[betamax001]

Capcom has so many good series they've completely dropped. I think they should start picking up on a few of their other series, such as Rival Schools, Power Stone, or atleast Breath of Fire.

Or DarkStalkers. I got the PSP game today and I forgot how awesome Vampire Chronicles was. Can you imagine a Dark Stalkers 4 with BlazBlue style HD graphics? *drools*

[Rickstilwell1]

It's likely the soundtrack that's the issue.... that's my guess anyway.

Yeah that would make it the same thing as Earthbound.

[kedawa]

The soundtrack could be swapped out with only a couple hours of work, though.
All they would need to do is decide what to replace it with. Maybe they could use the BGM from Project Justice.

[kaedesdisciple]

let me put it this way...

Castlevania Chronicles for ps1 use to cost at least 70 dollars for a complete version. since the psn release, i can find complete copies for 30 dollars.

Marvel Vs. Capcom 2 on average would cost 100 dollars for a complete version. since the digital release, the game has dropped to aprox. 50 dollars.

now imagine the reverse effect of that. it has been officialy announced that there will be no psn, xbox live, or VC version. not now, not soon, not ever. this news could easily drive the price of existing copies way up.

I understand that creating Capcom and Konami creating the digital download versions of MvC2 and CV Chronicles drove down the physical version prices as there became more ways to play them legally on current systems. That makes perfect sense. However, why would any prices be altered by doing nothing, as Capcom is doing here? The only people I can see driving up prices at this point are speculators that see panicked posts like this and drive up the prices by selling their copies at a higher point thinking that people are going to pay more for them because of a perceived rarity spike.

Good job.

[nectarsis]

The impression that I get is that the Xbox version had a smaller print run.

Both versions had SMALL print runs (not sure which was less). The Xbox version plays much better hence why it was desired more. It used to be the PS2 version went for more $, but that may be due to the PS2 having a much bigger installed base.

[kedawa]

I understand that creating Capcom and Konami creating the digital download versions of MvC2 and CV Chronicles drove down the physical version prices as there became more ways to play them legally on current systems. That makes perfect sense. However, why would any prices be altered by doing nothing, as Capcom is doing here? The only people I can see driving up prices at this point are speculators that see panicked posts like this and drive up the prices by selling their copies at a higher point thinking that people are going to pay more for them because of a perceived rarity spike.

Good job.
The only way I could see this affecting price, is if the availability of downloadable PS1 games drove down prices across the board when the service launched, based on speculation that all games were potential releases. I don't believe that was the case, though.

[jaekwon15]

Good job.

passive agressive much?

[Famidrive-16]

We should take these claims with a grain of salt. Capcom said the exact same thing about Marvel vs. Capcom, claiming they couldn't get the rights. Somehow, they made it happen. I doubt Rival Schools would be as complicated an IP to license as dealing with Marvel would be.

That was way back when some other company (forgot who) had the rights though. I know Marvel really wanted to work with Capcom again, and a deal was worked out when the other contract expired.



Yeah that would make it the same thing as Earthbound.

I still think that rumor's bogus, most likely it's just Nintendo realizing that Earthbound isn't exactly a hot seller.

[Ed Oscuro]

passive agressive much?
I'm glad that you brought this to our attention, but please leave speculation on price fluctuations to the reader. As kaedesdisciple said, there's no evidence that this will make prices skyrocket. They'll just follow the usual patterns for any game that doesn't get a rerelease.