My Gameboy collection opinions wanted... [Archive] - Page 2

GameBoyGeek

02-03-2010, 10:24 PM

Here's a quick test I did with mine. Tetris Attack (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcZRqZ6xN-c)
I plan to eventually do demos and such with it.

@GameBoyGeek
Calm the beef min, dude. I've been collecting Game Boy for a long time, and I think I have a pretty good handle on average prices for stuff. Prices through the years have steadily risen. The past year or so, though, prices have gotten crazy. It appears to be a handful of speculators just trying to get a collection as fast as possible, thinking they're gonna make a mint off their shit. Imo, the price a speculator pays is not what a game is worth.

I'm not saying that's you. Just stating the reasoning behind my comments, and a couple others of folks I know.

btw, that's a nice collection you've started. Def need more hardware though. ;)

pps: It's Game Boy, not Gameboy

I know how its spelled but I likes it that way ;)

I get your reasoning for thinking the way you do however I've been collecting in general since I was in the 5th grade so I don't want anyone here to think I don't have a handle on the prices of things and I'm not trying to get a collection going off the fly I've been collecting gameboy games for the last 3 years only recently have I started my collection of boxed games. Even Have a few sealed games too. I just picked up a factory sealed tumble pop last night for 30.00 thats a pretty good deal seeing as though the loose carts I've seen are around the same price.

I state again that I appreciate peoples opinions good or those i dont agree with but I still think as you have stated the prices of boxed games seem to be going up lately and it could be that people are just thinking oh this is gonna get me a ton of money and what not but I don't plan on selling anytime soon and if i did it would most likely be all at once.

I do agree with you that I need more hardware without a doubt. I'm guessing you have a Kiosk as well? I to have planned to do some reviews with mine as well.

neuropolitique

02-03-2010, 10:35 PM

Nionel

02-03-2010, 11:09 PM

That's a very nice collection you have there, I'd love to have something similar someday. I've been trying to get a Gameboy collection going myself, I'm currently only at eight games, but hey you have to start somewhere, right?

GameBoyGeek

02-03-2010, 11:15 PM

I do have a kiosk, though mine has a different ad on the left side of the Game Boy. Not sure I'm going to do reviews as there are plenty of people doing that now. Just demo vids and maybe some guides.

Ah i see. So let me ask is that GBDB your site? If that so I would be willing to take the pics of the pics that the site is missing. I have a majority of the games that need pics. Let me know.

Nionel What games do you have at the moment? Ive got doubles for sale :)

neuropolitique

02-03-2010, 11:24 PM

Ah i see. So let me ask is that GBDB your site? If that so I would be willing to take the pics of the pics that the site is missing. I have a majority of the games that need pics. Let me know.

Nionel What games do you have at the moment? Ive got doubles for sale :)

So do we ;). Thanks for the offer, but we are still filling in the data. We just went live with the new site last week. Have a long way to go before it's really ready for primetime yet.

GameBoyGeek

02-03-2010, 11:32 PM

Well i dont mind if you need it. I was actually going to do something kind of the same my self but just haven't had the chance to start the site yet. Let me know if there is anything I can do to be of assistance. :D

Famidrive-16

02-03-2010, 11:36 PM

On a serious note, we've both been around here long enough to see a number of people suddenly get smacked by real life money needs or stop caring about their games and end up selling their investment of 10+ years for a fraction of what it cost them. If that can happen even to a wise man like Flack I figure it can't hurt just to be a voice saying "think twice about this." Sorry if I'm coming across like an obnoxious missionary, but I do think it's important, bad economy or no.

Anyway, it's a discussion forum and (within limits, I'm not trying to be a dick) I can say whatever the hell I want, you know, so what if it's unpopular. I can't force anybody to do something they don't want to, but it's not hurting anybody that I wrote that.

I'm not calling you a dick or anything. Just saying that the post about people buying games they don't like is kinda ironic, considering some of the hardcore collectors on this site. Look at any of the posts in the "recent finds" threads.

Ed Oscuro

02-03-2010, 11:42 PM

I'm not calling you a dick or anything. Just saying that the post about people buying games they don't like is kinda ironic, considering some of the hardcore collectors on this site. Look at any of the posts in the "recent finds" threads.
It's not the first time I've spun out of control about this issue, though, so it's nothing new I guess :-P

Looking forward to seeing any more information coming out of this thread & the new GBDB site.

Nionel

02-03-2010, 11:43 PM

Nionel What games do you have at the moment? Ive got doubles for sale :)

I've got Mega Man 1-3, Pokemon Blue, Pokemon Gold (English and Japanese), Pokemon Green, and Revelations: The Demon Slayer. The two Japanese Pokemon games are complete, the others are loose.

GameBoyGeek

02-04-2010, 12:37 AM

Well if you are looking to buy some right now I've got some for sale. One of them does come with the box but no book. Let me know.

The demon slayer???? Cant say I remember that one...is it Japanese or English release?

Ed Oscuro

02-04-2010, 01:43 AM

The demon slayer???? Cant say I remember that one...is it Japanese or English release?
GBC...here you go (http://www.fantasyanime.com/legacy/revabout.htm). Predicting another copy is soon going to be off the market - it's an RPG.

GameBoyGeek

02-04-2010, 04:25 AM

Ah see thats why I haven't heard of it. I'm getting to the point where I'll be collectiong GBC games soon not quite there yet. I did recently purchase extreme ghostbusters for gbc that one was only released in the U.K. I'm getting upset though because its been forever since I payed for it and still nothing.

GrandAmChandler

02-04-2010, 08:10 AM

It's not the first time I've spun out of control about this issue, though, so it's nothing new I guess :-P

Looking forward to seeing any more information coming out of this thread & the new GBDB site.

Like Neuro said, we are working furiously at getting all of our data up. We upload new things daily. Just have to hunt around the site a bit. We have a hardware entry up, and a MISC entry up. Plenty (but not all) games are up, and we are filling in the gaps as fast as we can. Stay tuned for an official announcement.

-GAC-

scottw182

02-04-2010, 08:58 AM

Just noticed the following from your list:

Castlevania Legends
Castlevania Adventure
Castlevania Adventure 2

Castlevania Adventure 2 should be Castlevania II: Belmont's Revenge. Just trying to help out your list :)

Breetai

02-04-2010, 09:16 AM

If you're looking to beef up your GB hardware collection, I've got a gold GB Light for sale. :)

GameBoyGeek

02-04-2010, 12:53 PM

What color is it?

Gameguy

02-04-2010, 06:45 PM

Are you collecting slight variants with systems? I know the early Gameboy Pockets didn't have a red power light with it. I have one of those Gameboy Pocket systems like that, but it's not for sale. I remember playing it and the battery would go dead without warning, I'd have to start over with whatever game I was playing.

I think Breetai's gold GB Light is gold coloured. LOL

GameBoyGeek

02-05-2010, 01:44 AM

I had no idea about that. That is awesome id like to find one of those. :)

Breetai

02-05-2010, 12:41 PM

What color is it?
What color is my gold Game Boy Light?

I think Breetai's gold GB Light is gold coloured.
Only if gold means gold. ;)

A link to what I'm selling is in my signature. Just click the link. The gold GB Light is the very first item. Shockingly, it's gold in color.

scottw182

02-05-2010, 01:40 PM

What color is my gold Game Boy Light?

Only if gold means gold. ;)

A link to what I'm selling is in my signature. Just click the link. The gold GB Light is the very first item. Shockingly, it's gold in color.

Stop beating around the bush and tell us what color it is already :)

jcalder8

02-05-2010, 01:57 PM

That's a great looking collection. How do you display them? I don't find GB games look very attractive just sitting on a shelf, which is part of the reason I've never really collected them.

A link to what I'm selling is in my signature. Just click the link. The gold GB Light is the very first item. Shockingly, it's gold in color.
Damn I was hoping it was blue coloured gold one.

GameBoyGeek

02-05-2010, 10:08 PM

Right now its just with shelves but I plan to change that as soon as I can.

udisi

02-08-2010, 09:55 PM

Gameguy

02-08-2010, 10:08 PM

Now is the time to sell off complete copies for original Gameboy games, in case anybody has some they don't want. I doubt that complete copies will stay that high 10 years from now, a lot of people are getting nostalgic for them now but I doubt that most of the games will stay in demand. It figures that the stuff I want to keep is what's in the most demand, I have several complete games but I want to keep them.

People should be buying complete Gameboy Advance games now, they're still somewhat easy to find complete and they're still somewhat cheap. Even sealed copies of games are around $20 or less. It's a portable system with the same type of cardboard boxes that few people keep, it's going to be much harder in a few years to start collecting them. Now is when to buy them.

neuropolitique

02-08-2010, 10:08 PM

I'd say that you did fine on your F1 Pole Position. This is the first one I've seen in a while and just ended tonight

$637...so yeah $300 and change seems like a good deal now.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300392616665&ssPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT

In a couple months a game goes from $300 to $600? No way. The whole thing reeks of shill bidding and folks driving up the price just to drive it up. A game that shows up an ebay twice in a couple months is not a $600 game.

I'd be surprised if the winner pays.

GameBoyGeek

02-08-2010, 10:09 PM

LOL I know ive been watching it just for the sake of it and yeah it blew my mind, I knew it was some what close to what it was worth but damn lol. This just further proves what i was talking about. Part of the value in an item is what you pay for it and the other is what you can make in resale. I know now i can probably make that same price on ebay if i were to put it up. But i wont lol.

jeffg

02-08-2010, 10:12 PM

i am surprised it went for $600, stinks that I sold you mine for $333

Just kidding, i got it for $3 so i was happy with the money.

I think a few guys wanted it really bad and probably threw a high bid in there thinking it would not hit that high.

dnkykng89

02-08-2010, 11:58 PM

In a couple months a game goes from $300 to $600? No way. The whole thing reeks of shill bidding and folks driving up the price just to drive it up. A game that shows up an ebay twice in a couple months is not a $600 game.

I'd be surprised if the winner pays.

You seem really convinced F1 is worth less than people are paying for it. I do have a hunch you may be right about the shill bidding.

GameBoyGeek, would you be interested in pics of 2 oversized GBCs (store displays) I just bought? I was debating whether or not it would be relevant to this forum, and I've checked for other GB forums with no luck.

GameBoyGeek

02-09-2010, 01:57 AM

Of course I'm always interested in Gameboy stuff no matter what it is.

neuropolitique As for the pole position you never know. I dont know why people are so fixed the game not being worth what i paid let alone what others payed? I mean shit, you didnt pay for it so....what are you complaining about? And just because it showed up on ebay pretty close to one another has absolutely no bearing on how rare it is or isn't. Not if its only happened twice in the last year. I won 2 of the sellers other games so I will update you and everyone else on weather or not the winner payed for it or not.

GrandAmChandler

02-09-2010, 08:35 AM

You seem really convinced F1 is worth less than people are paying for it. I do have a hunch you may be right about the shill bidding.

He's correct. There is a set group of collectors that have this game already that are trying to inflate the true value of this game. There are much rarer GB games out there, for some reason this one has gotten a lot of publicity lately, but it's really nothing of major value. Uncommon, sure. But there is no way it's over $100-$150. If by some slight chance someone DID pay that $600, well, they are an idiot. The game has the same minimum print run as many other games, which don't go for over $10-$20 each. Remember the formula people:

Hype + Uncommon = RARE 2K MONIES!

-GAC-

scottw182

02-09-2010, 09:03 AM

LOL...

"Haha! $330? WOW you overpaid sucker! It is SO not worth that!"

(Game sells for $637)

"uhh....shill bidding! No, it's a group of collector's trying to drive up the value! Yeah, it's all a big conspiracy! The game couldn't possibly be worth that! You're still a sucker!"

Just admit you were wrong folks and stop with the excuses. GameBoyGeek, the game is worth more now than what you paid for it, be happy and ignore the haters.

GameBoyGeek

02-09-2010, 09:52 AM

Yeah it's its basiclly come to that. Man there are just some people that no matter what they just wont let up. I look at it this way, I coulda payed 600.00 for it or 300.00 Dont give me that print run stuff ok. What people or these so called "collectors" seem to be forgetting is the one simple thing here that is the key to all of this. TIME!!!!

The game was released what in the early 90's? and it is 2010 lets just say for the sake of argument that the game had what would be an uncommon print run and more copies of it where made then say....amazing tater. You still have for factor in that its been around 15 years at minimum since its release and that not all of the people that bought the game originally kept the packaging and all the good stuff. Keep that in mind that is why it is shooting up in price people the packaging and the rarity of FINDING A COMPLETE COPY!!!! Which there have only been 2 on ebay within the last year people. 365 Days 52 weeks in a year that is NOT COMMON. The cartridge pops up every now and then NOT A COMPLETE COPY! Same thing with action figures loose figures arnt worth as much as carded figures.
But no go ahead and stick to your price guides and the set group of collectors that have this game already that are trying to inflate the true value of this game because we all know in our heart of hearts that your right and have all the answers:sob: I mean its really just as rediculouse saying that as the game selling for 600.00 if you think about it.

Ya know I'm slowly learning that people here seem to act like just because your post count is low that you don't know what your talking about, well I'm here to tell you I may be young but I have been legitimately collecting since I was 10 years old. I know about the "formula" and I know about price guides and what the reality behind them is so just save the I'm right your wrong stuff guys. If MY research bring to a conclusion that an Item is rare then I'll make the judgment on how much I wanna spend on it. There is NO REASON for any hype to surround a game that old to get the price to jump up and I don't by the cockamamie bs about a group of collectors trying to increase the value of the game.

pseudonym

02-09-2010, 11:45 AM

More to the point, why do you care how much it's worth? You paid for it, you already have it, let other people pay x amount more for it if they want. It's pretty rare CIB, it'll hold it's value reasonable well in the future IMO (maybe not $600, but at least a couple hundred I think). Or maybe you've been saying that all along... I dunno, I've been up all night and I'm tired. I can't be arsed to read your wall of text right now.

Just wondering though, which games are rarer than F1 Pole Position? I thought it was the rarest of the bunch.

Ed Oscuro

02-09-2010, 11:59 AM

lol, pricing by (small) consensus

The game, and most games for that matter, are worth less than what a small group of diehards will pay for them, and this is true as a rule. When the market for any game is this small you do assume more risks than with better-known (and better-appreciated) titles. Of course, there hasn't been anything so far able to dampen enthusiasm about collecting mediocre obscure games as a pasttime; each individual collector may tire of it but the games themselves are passed on. The challenge for the collector is to find a price where their investment won't be impacted by "underpriced" copies coming onto the market, or other shocks. I have to say, though, it's funny how unemployment hovering around 10% hasn't done it.

Just admit you were wrong folks and stop with the excuses. GameBoyGeek, the game is worth more now than what you paid for it, be happy and ignore the haters.
So nothing is suspicious at all about the game price jumping so rapidly? Can you say tulip mania?

In the worst case, it's always possible people can trade a number of games around with the intention of pushing up the price (Kizuna Encounter comes to mind - there may not have been a conspiracy to drive prices up with that one but too few people have it for market forces to reliably impact its price).

GameBoyGeek

02-09-2010, 12:22 PM

F1 is a level 8 according to Nintendo ago which for game boy is one of 3 titles at that rarity level so yes it is one of the rarest for the system.

Life happens people lets get that out there right now. There will ALWAYS be some idiot kid who gets his hand on SOMETHING that has a limited release and that idiot doesn't know what he/she has and will open it and disregard the packaging. I've seen it happen a million times. When that happens the existence of the complete item starts to decrease meaning that the other completed copies of the item tend to raise in value. Do...do you people not understand this at all? I mean really you say your collectors and you talk about formulas and how the price goes according to price guides but you just never really bring in to consideration what I like to call common sense of the matter and take the things I just mentioned into consideration. I am not in ANYWAY trying to insult anyone by posting this but until you can come to me or anyone with legitimate proof stating that there is absolutely no way an item can be worth what some one paid for it then don't bother trying to change my mind or anyone Else's on the matter. Just as I haven't been able to do so with you and I'm not trying to either. My goal has been to show some of you that there are holes in your logic on the matter, that other things to take into consideration when collecting that judging from what I've read up to this point you don't and haven't in the past. You sit and wait until you can find it dirt cheap so no body can hassle you about how much you paid for it then brag about how you got it dirt cheap. Get over it, some people will pay whatever it takes to complete a collection if they have the money to spare then LET THEM.

pseudonym

02-09-2010, 12:40 PM

More like I read half of your little rant, I rolled my eyes, and then I posted what you see above. I asked about F1 Pole Position in particular because of what GAC said, it seems that they're all about equal rarity-wise to me.

GameBoyGeek

02-09-2010, 12:57 PM

I care because I'm a collector if your not interested in the opinions of others then why bother reading the thread? I am legitimately asking because its something that I have never really understood, I mean if you think what I have to say is eye roll worthy then why read or post at all? Again not trying to insult I just don't get it.

I'll agree with you on the equal rarity thing its just absurd that people think that "there's no way a game could be worth that because I say so" which is what its come down to at this point. We can pretty well wave bye bye to common sense and logic as they flew out the window sometime ago.

Final note this thread has turned from what people think of my collection to how rediculous it is that I payed what I did for the game. Let's get back on track here people. Get over it I payed that amount and that's all there is to it. Now someone else has paid even more which leaves the question "Is it worth it?" Some say yes like 3 others say no. Ok good for you, you have told us why its ridiculous in your opinion and even insulted the buyer of the game buy calling him an idiot because he paid that much for something he wanted. I've got address's you complimentary chocolate chip cookies for being right about basicly everything you have ever posted are in the mail. Enjoy. Now lets get back to the topic at hand.

I just got 22 boxes in the mail and have the games to at least 18 of them not the task is getting the inserts to put inside. I was really glad to get the boxes to beetlejuice lock'n chase and turrican. Still waiting on Pack in time yogi's gold rush tail gator and megalit

GrandAmChandler

02-09-2010, 01:08 PM

F1 is a level 8 according to Nintendo ago which for game boy is one of 3 titles at that rarity level so yes it is one of the rarest for the system.

Well my database says it's a level 27, and there are 50 games with a higher level, therefore it's not that rare.

neuropolitique

02-09-2010, 01:16 PM

I would love for my collection to be suddenly worth 20k. It isn't though.

scottw182

02-09-2010, 01:58 PM

Well my database says it's a level 27, and there are 50 games with a higher level, therefore it's not that rare.

What makes your database trump Nintendo Age?

PapaStu

02-09-2010, 02:09 PM

What makes your database trump Nintendo Age?

Cause NA tends to forget about any system not called NES?

Wow.... GAC joke = fail. Send that man back to clown college.

scooterb23

02-09-2010, 02:16 PM

http://andersonpooper.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/mike-myers.jpg

Kanye sez: "Nintendo Age don't care about Game Boy!"

Kittens_for_Peace

02-09-2010, 02:20 PM

Think of the kittehs

scooterb23

02-09-2010, 02:33 PM

I'm just impressed that a game I could get for $5 6 months ago has suddenly, 20 years after release gets to be "worth" $600 within 1 month of it being "worth" $300. Ebay said it though, so it must be true.

GameBoyGeek

02-09-2010, 02:59 PM

What makes your database trump Nintendo Age?

He's being a smart ass because he really doesn't have a leg to stand on other than his own opinion. Not to mention the people that are irritated that someone has an opinion that is different than their own If all they have left to do is make fun of people or be smart ass's about it then let them. Typical.

Nothing is ever accurate enough for some people. Its a general glitch in human nature to find something wrong with....everything.

GrandAmChandler

02-09-2010, 03:24 PM

Ze_ro

02-09-2010, 03:34 PM

I'm telling you guys, forget about this Gameboy crap... Buy a Bally Astrocade! It's going to be the next big thing! By this time next month, systems are going to be selling for THOUSANDS! I mean, check this thing out:

http://www.videogamecritic.net/images/systems/astrosystem.jpg

Isn't that AWESOME??!? With wood grain like that, you know this thing is built to last. When your Gameboy games are all useless and unloved, this thing will have a following like you won't believe. Who needs 4 shades of grey when you can have amazing graphics like this:

http://www.videogamecritic.net/images/astro/pirate%27s_chase.jpghttp://www.videogamecritic.net/images/astro/treasure_cove.jpg

This shit is the REAL DEAL. Get in at the ground floor and join the community at http://www.astrocadeage.com (http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp)!

--Zero

GameBoyGeek

02-09-2010, 03:36 PM

I have stated already that I am not trying in any way at all to insult anyone even you. If people are going to say something that I don't agree with then I'm going to respond to it not in a hostile manner unless some one provokes me. Again i will state this as I have in my previous posts, I am not trying to insult anyone at all. But to me it seems that other people doing it is ok if they have been here longer or whatever the case is.

When I asked for opinions on my collection I didn't ask people to judge what I spent on it. I merely mentioned it and people ran with it. That's fine I knew that when I posted it. However its when i started to get insulting remarks and people telling me how to spend my money that I got upset. That's not what the thread was about at all. So if your gonna point fingers at me for that then go ahead. I even tried to get back on track here but Guess we cant have that. Clearly this is not what I wanted to have happen here and certainly didn't want to get banned for stating my opinions. I just dont like it when people start insulting me for spending what I want where I want.

Bottom line all i wanted to know from this thread is....what do you think of my collection??? Good one? or do I need to do work on it? Am I missing a ton of games for it Or am I pretty close to achieving my goal which was stated early on in the thread. That's ALL I WANTED TO KNOW.

If you think that I'VE gotten to that point then I'll let it go because no matter what board I am apart of I do always try my best to abide by the rules and being that you are an admin if you think I'm breaking rules or causing trouble then you have your reasons so I'll leave it at that.

Ze ro: I think my dad has one of those.....I dunno though...It looks really familiar.

dnkykng89

02-09-2010, 04:12 PM

What makes your database trump Nintendo Age?Lol

Think of the kittehsEpic lol

I just got 22 boxes in the mail and have the games to at least 18 of them not the task is getting the inserts to put inside. I was really glad to get the boxes to beetlejuice lock'n chase and turrican. Still waiting on Pack in time yogi's gold rush tail gator and megalit.Awesome!

Here are these:
Notice white marks on corners of teal, clearly has been dropped several times. Some of the labeling is peeling/fading, but overall pretty good condition.
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa117/dannyboy_321/1c52a8a8e299__1265710197000-1.jpghttp://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa117/dannyboy_321/ec85b5e863c5__1265710628000.jpghttp://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa117/dannyboy_321/1a8984e5002e__1265710644000.jpg
How much do you guys think these are worth?

GameBoyGeek

02-09-2010, 04:21 PM

OH THOSE THINGS LOL I have'nt seen one of those in ages man. I honestly dont know what they would be worth but if your selling I'd gladly take one off of your hands.

scottw182

02-09-2010, 04:22 PM

See what we have here is the classic DP n00b.

Step 1. Come in and post "So what do you think of my collection?" (This step is also known as "e-peen".
Step 2. Show off uncommon item(s), brag about purchases.
Step 3. Ask for advice and opinions.
Step 4. Receive honest advice from top collectors in the world (Whether good or bad)
Step 5. Get defensive. Cite other sites for defensive purposes.
Step 6. Get Irate, insult respected members.
Step 7. Get Banned.

We are currently around a 5.5. Keep going, I dare you.

lol, that is so not how it went down, nice story though. Why are you guys so determined to make this guy out to be some kind of bad guy? The bottom line is, several of you have insisted on being negative/rude and he has defended himself.

And in regards to the Nintendo Age comment, I don't use the site, but I've heard it referenced tons of times so I figured it was a reputable value site.

neuropolitique

02-09-2010, 04:24 PM

GB signage varies wildly, so its often hard to say. However, those are pretty rad. I'd say $10 each is reasonable, but it wouldn't be hard to imagine them going for more.

*edit* Dang, they're huge! $20 each prob is more accurate.

dnkykng89

02-09-2010, 04:25 PM

Can't sell I love 'em. How many CIB's do you have now?

dnkykng89

02-09-2010, 04:27 PM

neuropolitique

02-09-2010, 04:29 PM

Is that what you paid?

dnkykng89

02-09-2010, 04:31 PM

Yeah. I don't think I need to ask what you think about that price :D

edit: $275 for both.

GameBoyGeek

02-09-2010, 04:33 PM

lol, that is so not how it went down, nice story though. Why are you guys so determined to make this guy out to be some kind of bad guy? The bottom line is, several of you have insisted on being negative/rude and he has defended himself.

And in regards to the Nintendo Age comment, I don't use the site, but I've heard it referenced tons of times so I figured it was a reputable value site.

Much appreciated scott. :cheers:

Yeah dk I would offer but I just dont have the money right now. If I could talk you down id give you 30 each for them.