A CIB Stadium Events on ebay.

[Snapple]

I believe the first two Stadium Events that sold this year were real, and that this latest one is probably fake. He just noticed a pattern and thought it would be funny if yet another SE popped up.

I also do not think $800k is going to be changing hands here. Call me crazy.

[peachstapler]

Does anyone have distribution numbers for Stadium Events NTSC vs. PAL? I'd really love to see anything anybody's got as far as how many cartridges made it to the market. I have a feeling the stark difference in numbers would be enough to bring some of those PAL SE auctions back to reality.

[Shadow Kisuragi]

No one has any concrete evidence for distribution numbers on Stadium Events NTSC, and I doubt we ever will. The word on the street is ~200.

[Zap!]

No one has any concrete evidence for distribution numbers on Stadium Events NTSC, and I doubt we ever will. The word on the street is ~200.

I personally feel that number is too low.

[Shadow Kisuragi]

I would agree...considering that we've seen numerous NTSC cartridges lately. However, there's no way of substantiating the number distributed vs the number surviving.

Also, if anyone needs to complete their Stadium Events NTSC, there are auctions for just the box, manual or cartridge.

[RoyVegas]

Also, if anyone needs to complete their Stadium Events NTSC, there are auctions for just the box, manual or cartridge.

You mean the $9,000 manual or the $14,000 box? Yikes!

[Zap!]

Last year, I paid $250 for just the box and instructions for the Atari 2600 game Crazy Climber, and all my friends thought I was nuts.

[RoyVegas]

Last year, I paid $250 for just the box and instructions for the Atari 2600 game Crazy Climber, and all my friends thought I was nuts.

You are now considered sane again.

[VG_Maniac]

Look, he's already re-listed it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stadium-Events-Nes-game_W0QQitemZ110501811026QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Vi ntage_Video_Games?hash=item19ba6bd352

He even makes mention now of the "joke bids" in his last auction:

"Im tired of these joy bidders thats not willing to pay and are playing around do you know this is causing me money to list this up. I will only take serious inquiries and offers only now and will not answer anyone with a yellow star rating. The two highest bidders was little kids that are sitting on their butts with pepperoni face pimples that have no lives. Now if you guys want to really make a offer please email me an offer and i will answer as many questions as possible."

[-hellvin-]

Ever since this lady sold her SE in that nintendo lot this has been the most hilarious disaster of fuck I've ever had the pleasure of witnessing on ebay. The amount of PAL carts going for stupidly high bids just makes me laugh. The 9k dollar manual and 14k dollar box are pretty epic too. The 40k dollar sealed copy is just insanity. The is more than HALF THE ASKING PRICE of the house I nearly bought a few months ago.

[Sonicwolf]

I cant wait until the entire collectable video game market crashes into oblivion like the baseball card market did some time ago. It is only a matter of time with these prices flying like they are.

[badinsults]

Ever since this lady sold her SE in that nintendo lot this has been the most hilarious disaster of fuck I've ever had the pleasure of witnessing on ebay. The amount of PAL carts going for stupidly high bids just makes me laugh. The 9k dollar manual and 14k dollar box are pretty epic too. The 40k dollar sealed copy is just insanity. The is more than HALF THE ASKING PRICE of the house I nearly bought a few months ago.

$80,000 for a house? That is cheap as hell!


Location: Glendale, AZ


Oh...

[megasdkirby]

I cant wait until the entire collectable video game market crashes into oblivion like the baseball card market did some time ago. It is only a matter of time with these prices flying like they are.

2012: The Second Video Game Crash

:D

[Ye0ldmario]

I cant wait until the entire collectable video game market crashes into oblivion like the baseball card market did some time ago. It is only a matter of time with these prices flying like they are.

my stomach gets queezy thinking about it...

[-hellvin-]

my stomach gets queezy thinking about it...

Hell I hope it happens. Those who truly love to play and not profit would benefit greatly.

[TheDomesticInstitution]

Hell I hope it happens. Those who truly love to play and not profit would benefit greatly.

I agree, I'm one of those people. I do like to collect, but it has nothing to do with ever profiting from games I've acquired.

[megasdkirby]

Hell I hope it happens. Those who truly love to play and not profit would benefit greatly.

Like the good old days....circa 90's?

Good times...

[Icarus Moonsight]

Amen, and pass the salt... and the $10 CIB Panzer Dragoon Saga over there. LOL

[GameBoyGeek]

Ok my question is this. Is this happening with any games other than stadium events? Or has it just pretty much been this title?

[peachstapler]

Ok my question is this. Is this happening with any games other than stadium events? Or has it just pretty much been this title?

This is just my personal observation: I'm slowly acquiring my last 40-50 NES titles, mostly on eBay because flea markets have been unproductive lately, and the prices on eBay have gone up in 2010 by 10-20% on the rare to semi-rare titles I've been watching.

[megasdkirby]

People are just getting incredibly desperate, that's all.

[Zthun]

People are just getting incredibly desperate, that's all.

Hence, why you will see people doing ANYTHING for any kind of change they can get their hands on. Ebay and craigslist sob stories are on the rise.

The re-list just makes me chuckle. I always laugh when people say that you can't bid if you don't have x feedback. How exactly are you going to stop a sniper?

[peachstapler]

People are just getting incredibly desperate, that's all.
By that you mean buyers have been shopping from home all winter and haven't been able to go out to yard sales/garage sales/flea markets for this stuff? Or do you mean the sellers are desperate, riding the wave of Stadium Events hitting the mainstream news?

[megasdkirby]

By that you mean buyers have been shopping from home all winter and haven't been able to go out to yard sales/garage sales/flea markets for this stuff? Or do you mean the sellers are desperate, riding the wave of Stadium Events hitting the mainstream news?

Buyers.

I see sellers are opportunistic....and rightly so.

When a buyer is willing to shell an extreme amount for something, it's because they (the buyer) is desperate. Some may deny this, but why else would a buyer spend so much money on something so trivial? Because they really want it.

Sellers see this opportunity and try to take advantage of it. Some may criticize sellers for exploiting the situation, but I see more fault of desperate buyers, because they have the power, or will, to stop and realize things for a bit. Rationalize, if you will.

For example, this thread: http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=141923

In the above thread, we see a seller offering items at extremely high prices. We can all agree on this. To us, this is ridiculous. However, the seller knows that eventually, the "right" buyer will come along and purchase his/her item at said price. Why? Because the buyer probably wanted that item so desperately he/she HAD to have it. Otherwise, why spend so much money on something so trivial?

[Zthun]

Buyers.

I see sellers are opportunistic....and rightly so.

When a buyer is willing to shell an extreme amount for something, it's because they (the buyer) is desperate. Some may deny this, but why else would a buyer spend so much money on something so trivial? Because they really want it.

Sellers see this opportunity and try to take advantage of it. Some may criticize sellers for exploiting the situation, but I see more fault of desperate buyers, because they have the power, or will, to stop and realize things for a bit. Rationalize, if you will.

For example, this thread: http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=141923

In the above thread, we see a seller offering items at extremely high prices. We can all agree on this. To us, this is ridiculous. However, the seller knows that eventually, the "right" buyer will come along and purchase his/her item at said price. Why? Because the buyer probably wanted that item so desperately he/she HAD to have it. Otherwise, why spend so much money on something so trivial?

Basically what you're saying is that he's waiting for someone ignorant to come along and buy at outrageous prices, taking advantage of people that have no knowledge of what the market price is.

[izarate]

Basically what you're saying is that he's waiting for someone ignorant to come along and buy at outrageous prices, taking advantage of people that have no knowledge of what the market price is.

I wouldn't say that he is taking advantage of people. I mean, he isn't saying "once in life opportunity" or "guaranteed to increase in price" or whatever other thing that would steer people towards buying from him. I've bought some games from him and while some of his CIBs aren't a great deal they aren't exactly a rip off either. I'm happy to pay an extra couple of bucks because I know that he really takes care of his stuff.

Of course those sealed prices are pretty high but that would only matter if you're in the market for sealed stuff.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Well, one way to look at it is without opportunistic sellers, desperate buyers would off themselves when they can't get that OMGAEM. They're saving lives! Hyperbole... This time, the other foot. :D

[megasdkirby]

Basically what you're saying is that he's waiting for someone ignorant to come along and buy at outrageous prices, taking advantage of people that have no knowledge of what the market price is.

Not really.

It really depends on how desperate the buyer is to get that certain item.

I would classify ignorant as a person who doesn't know what they buy. However, I believe these buyers do know what they want, and are willing to spend a pretty penny to get it.

It's more about being desperate than anything else.

However, one would have to question the reason why a buyer would spend so much on something that they will never play, and eventually get rid of. One thing is to pay alot but play alot, than to pay alot and never play.

Alas, this is why I am not a sealed games collector. I just don't see the point, honestly. But to everyone their own, I guess.

[peachstapler]

It's an investment.

edit: not that you didn't realize this, but I guess I mean to say that some investments simply get admired and are never played with.

[Gameguy]

However, one would have to question the reason why a buyer would spend so much on something that they will never play, and eventually get rid of. One thing is to pay alot but play alot, than to pay alot and never play.

Alas, this is why I am not a sealed games collector. I just don't see the point, honestly. But to everyone their own, I guess.
I question the same thing about collectors looking to eventually get a complete collection for any system with a large library. Is anyone really going to play all of those games, even the crappy ones?

I don't get it, but that's ok with me. If nobody wanted a complete collection, who would buy the games that most people don't want? I sure don't want to be stuck with them.

[Pancake Bunny]

Perhaps the quantities aren't as limited as people think. Obviously there's more around than people are basing their bids on.

whadda we got here? a thinker!

lets get im boys.

[megasdkirby]

It's an investment.

edit: not that you didn't realize this, but I guess I mean to say that some investments simply get admired and are never played with.

It's not an investment.

And investment makes money. If somehow a collection would make money for a collector, then it is.

There is no way to tell if the seller will make, loose money, or even break even if he/she decides to sell.

It's easy to psychologically lessen the blow when one thinks it's an investment, but truth be told, it's not. No matter how you see it, if a collection does not generate income/profit, it's not an investment.

[peachstapler]

It's not an investment.

And investment makes money. If somehow a collection would make money for a collector, then it is.

There is no way to tell if the seller will make, loose money, or even break even if he/she decides to sell.

It's easy to psychologically lessen the blow when one thinks it's an investment, but truth be told, it's not. No matter how you see it, if a collection does not generate income/profit, it's not an investment.
Look I'm sorry, but that is simply not true. It is an investment. Investments by definition do not guarantee the investor to make a profit on their portfolio (or in this thread's definition, a collection of games). You can lose money just as easily over time, it was still an investment of the individual's money. That's the gamble you're taking when buying something you hope to keep over a period of time.

[megasdkirby]

Look I'm sorry, but that is simply not true. It is an investment. Investments by definition do not guarantee the investor to make a profit on their portfolio (or in this thread's definition, a collection of games). You can lose money just as easily over time, it was still an investment of the individual's money. That's the gamble you're taking when buying something you hope to keep over a period of time.

I respect your opinion, and you make valid points.

But I'm still perplexed about the entire "investment" ordeal. While true about not getting your money back (profit), it's intended to make money. Video game collecting is more of a "hobby", as there is no intention of capital gain. Now, if said collector were to place his items in a museum (this is an example) and charge a fee to view the items, then it's an investment. He may or may not get any money/profit, but the potential is there.

For instance, here are definitions taken from various websites:

Wikipedia


Investment is the commitment of money or capital to purchase financial instruments or other assets in order to gain profitable returns in form of interest, income, or appreciation of the value of the instrument.

This is probably what you are referring too:

Dictionary.com #6:


a devoting, using, or giving of time, talent, emotional energy, etc., as for a purpose or to achieve something: His investment in the project included more time than he cared to remember.

Probably the definition of "investment" can be applied to personal satisfaction, in which case it is, though temporary. This definition of investment can be considered similar if not identical to "dedication" than anything else. For instance, completing a US set for a certain console brings a sense of accomplishment, so in theory one "invested" to obtain satisfaction. But this is not really continual, as eventually the sensation dissipates and falls into forgetfulness.

I can use money on a plethora of things: paying bills, food, recreation...but in no cases should those be considered investments. You pay bills because you have to, you buy food because you need to eat, and you buy things for recreation to entertain yourself. Games should be considered the last, as they are just a form of recreation. Collecting is a hobby, in itself a form of recreation. I spend money with no intention of selling, because it's something that brings me joy and personal satisfaction. Now if I ever where to sell the games, then it's an investment in my eyes.

You are right about how you define collecting, though. Gaming can be viewed as an investment to oneself, i.e. satisfaction and/or dedication, but in monetary value it is not if there is no plans on selling or somehow obtaining profit from it. Really depends on how one view things, to be honest.

[portnoyd]

My collection started as a hobby and turned into an investment. The plan for me was always to sell when my kids went to college, whatever it was and wherever the value was.

DTRA on account of TLDR

[peachstapler]

My collection started as a hobby and turned into an investment. The plan for me was always to sell when my kids went to college, whatever it was and wherever the value was.
Same here.

[Dark_Sol]

You are all just scrooges. face it... :)

[wrldstrman]

well i see a few more cib copies listed, i guess if the guy wants to spend 500.00 dollars buying up every stadium events listed guess thats the way it is. I just wonder if anyone is keeping track of all the cib copies that have surfaced in the last 2 months, maybe with all the publicity 50 copies will show up by years end.

[darkslime]

Basically what you're saying is that he's waiting for someone ignorant to come along and buy at outrageous prices, taking advantage of people that have no knowledge of what the market price is.Ignorance = stupidity. Buying something expensive without researching the price is stupid, and people that do that deserve to get taken advantage of.

[mr obscure]

People that are buying games as investment are
1. stupid (games are no comics)
2.fucking up the scene.

[Geddon_jt]

My collection started as a hobby and turned into an investment. The plan for me was always to sell when my kids went to college, whatever it was and wherever the value was.


Seconded.

[Zap!]

People that are buying games as investment are
1. stupid (games are no comics)
2.fucking up the scene.

I disagree. It's been a big investment from a decade or so ago when it was under a grand.

[megasdkirby]

I disagree. It's been a big investment from a decade or so ago when it was under a grand.

If expected to sell.

If one just wanted it to play and/or collect, it's not much of an investment unless it's for personal satisfaction, which in said case it's determination.


My collection started as a hobby and turned into an investment. The plan for me was always to sell when my kids went to college, whatever it was and wherever the value was.

DTRA on account of TLDR

Exactly my point all along. If one wanted to sell at a later date, it's an investment. Why? Because the idea of selling was there from the very beginning.

However, if the idea was to simply keep, play, or just collect, and not once have any inclination for a future sale, then it's not an investment. It's more of a personal goal, a personal satisfaction...a hobby. That, and nothing more.

But calling it an investment when not once the idea surfaced of selling at a future date (at the time of purchase) it's not quite right, at least in an economical standpoint. However, lots of sellers see it that way, usually because it lightens "the blow" of spending so much when there is no intention of selling on a future date.

Let's take this game, Stadium Events, for instance. If I were to find it I would buy it because to me, it was an incredible find and something that made me happy. Not once would I think of flipping it for a profit, as I just wanted it for me, either to play or collect. Can I call this an investment? For me, no, not by a long shot, because I had no intention of selling. Now, if I did buy it to make a profit, then yes, it is an investment, because that was my plan from the start.


People that are buying games as investment are
1. stupid (games are no comics)
2.fucking up the scene.

I don't think they are stupid, but I will agree with you on your second point.

I don't buy with intention to invest, I buy because I want them and I want to have fun. Enjoy the games and cherish the times I have playing them. Isn't what that is what is about?

[Icarus Moonsight]

No one buys Stadium Events solely to play it... Sane anyway. It's in a special class among games. Generally, games are a poor investment. That class is an exception to the case. CIB Magical Chase's sold for what? 300-500 not long ago? Now look. It's a class of about a hundred or so commercial release titles, and includes prototypes and the competition/special items and oddities.

That whole sphere is out of my league. And if I found such a game, in the wild, I'd get on the horn with some folks here to make sure the acquisition goes where it needs to and I get a little fair compensation for my dumb luck. The else in that case, is to then drop it on eBay and let the market sort itself. Name of the game. :)

[Pancake Bunny]

So wait, the guy who bought it factory sealed just relisted it on ebay?

http://cgi.ebay.com/FACTORY-SEALED-NES-NINTENDO-STADIUM-EVENTS-NTSC_W0QQitemZ320498656563QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVideo _Games_Games?hash=item4a9f356533

if so, lol

[Icarus Moonsight]

Either it's bad comedy, or this guy has the grapes sufficient enough to maybe pull it off... Look at that BIN... And no best offer! What's the listing fee on 100k BIN anyway?

[peeingas]

do we know if the $41k one got paid (no, it's not "payed") for?

[megasdkirby]

At least looking at the sellers received and left feedback, nothing still.