The "Quit Derailing the RPG Threads" Thread

[Daria]

Do you love/hate Hydlide? Do you consider Chrono Cross an underrated gem or an over-hyped turd? Do you have a tourettes-esque tendency to go off nerd rage style whenever/where ever the term RPG is uttered? Well then this is the thread for you. The next time a you feel a tangent rearing it's ugly head in a thread with a very specific topic, stop yourself and bring the discussion here. The rest of the forum would love you for your display of self discipline. I Thank you. We all thank you.

[mobiusclimber]

To be fair, Daria, there's only so much explaining that can happen as to "why are classic RPGs so expensive" before the thread has to either mutate into something else, or die. I mean, the answer was given pages ago.

[Kitsune Sniper]

And while you're at it GET OFF MY HATING GAMES FOR THE SAKE OF HATING THEM THREAD.

Oh wait, the thread died.

[Cryomancer]

This thread is a good idea, if for no other reason, for mods to move derailed topics into.

I'll start!

Dragon Quest and Megami Tensei as franchises have always been superior to Final Fantasy as a franchise.

Crono Cross is not the sequel we wanted, at all.

[Richter Belmount]

Best Rpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7bwebgaGqw

Worst Rpg
Valkeryie Profile (ugggghhhhh!)

[Daria]

I know how to get them in here.

*cracks knuckles*

Chrono Cross sucked. It's was filled with a ton of Square's psycho-babble bullshit that's about as deep as a leaky shower. I love games with a ton of available characters, but not when character development is reduced to giving everyone a shitty dialect. Sloppy dog? And why was Kidd an Australian Jackie Gleason ("To the Moon!")? Did that make sense to anyone?

Chrono Cross was a sad attempt to follow up on an otherwise great text adventure (radical dreamers) and a pathetic cash-in on the popularity of Chrono Trigger.

[Sosage]

And while you're at it GET OFF MY HATING GAMES FOR THE SAKE OF HATING THEM THREAD.

Oh wait, the thread died.

Anyone remember the Sega CD thread? It's now a Turbo CD and Victor Ireland/Working Designs thread.

Oh shit. Sorry. Now I'm derailing this one. :(

Edit: I'm more a Persona man myself.

[Richter Belmount]

I had a really delicious tamale today , now I dont really care for corny meals. However it still was not able to top the meatball sub I had from Subway today. I got meat on white bread with american cheese and parmesan cheese and got it toasted. Fuck all dat shit this is now the subway thread.

[Icarus Moonsight]

I know how to get them in here.

*cracks knuckles*

Chrono Cross sucked. It's was filled with a ton of Square's psycho-babble bullshit that's about as deep as a leaky shower. I love games with a ton of available characters, but not when character development is reduced to giving everyone a shitty dialect. Sloppy dog? And why was Kidd an Australian Jackie Gleason ("To the Moon!")? Did that make sense to anyone?

Chrono Cross was a sad attempt to follow up on an otherwise great text adventure (radical dreamers) and a pathetic cash-in on the popularity of Chrono Trigger.

No, no, no... NO. Like this... 2 RPGs 1 Cup style.
*Chrono Cross licks Hydlide's partially exposed butthole*
*Hydlide wants to savor this moment forever, but can't, because it's save feature sucks*

[Diatribal Deity]

"Airbags have saved countless lives over the years in car crashes. Now they’re set to save lives in another way: by stopping rocket propelled grenades.

The RPG has been the guerrilla’s weapon of choice for decades. It’s cheap, easy to use and readily available. Even the most basic version can blast through a foot of armor, and later models can double that. Over the years, there have been many projects to make vehicles RPG-proof.

The latest offering is the Tactical Rocket Propelled Grenade Airbag System (TRAPS) made by Textron, which has just successfully completed Phase I testing of at the Army’s Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center in Socorro, New Mexico. The system comprises a set of sensors and airbags, as well as other unspecified countermeasures. During this Phase I testing, the company says, TRAPS’ airbags successfully defeated a number of incoming RPG rounds."

[Aussie2B]

Honestly, I don't understand the whining about topics changing subject as of late. It's one thing if a topic comes completely out of left field, but it's another if a topic slowly evolves into other areas. One of the things I like best about this forum is that, other than some broad categorization, we're free to talk about what we please. We're not limited to solely discussing one system or one game like on many other boards. And it's when topics evolve that we often get interesting discussions going, rather than bare-bones answering of topic questions (and face it, most people don't even read the previous answers to a topic's question when making their own; the fact that I usually do read them makes that obvious to me).

And seriously, all this so-called "off-topic" stuff has been logical. Castlevania 2, a game that's often hated just because of other people's hate, is discussed in a topic about hating games for the sake of hating them. Wow, what a surprise. Chrono Cross, an RPG that doesn't have much value, is discussed as to why it may not have much value in a topic about why some RPGs have value. I never saw that one coming. When a topic is genuinely derailed, gimme a call.

[Kid Fenris]

Best Rpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7bwebgaGqw

Worst Rpg
Valkeryie Profile (ugggghhhhh!)

oh yeah well THIS IS YOU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoJ9XDH-eO8

[portnoyd]

I still can't believe they haven't released Duke Nukem Forever.

[Aussie2B]

oh yeah well THIS IS YOU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoJ9XDH-eO8

Holy cow, it's a real life octorok.

[nectarsis]

Honestly, I don't understand the whining about topics changing subject as of late. It's one thing if a topic comes completely out of left field, but it's another if a topic slowly evolves into other areas. One of the things I like best about this forum is that, other than some broad categorization, we're free to talk about what we please. We're not limited to solely discussing one system or one game like on many other boards. And it's when topics evolve that we often get interesting discussions going, rather than bare-bones answering of topic questions (and face it, most people don't even read the previous answers to a topic's question when making their own; the fact that I usually do read them makes that obvious to me).

And seriously, all this so-called "off-topic" stuff has been logical. Castlevania 2, a game that's often hated just because of other people's hate, is discussed in a topic about hating games for the sake of hating them. Wow, what a surprise. Chrono Cross, an RPG that doesn't have much value, is discussed as to why it may not have much value in a topic about why some RPGs have value. I never saw that one coming. When a topic is genuinely derailed, gimme a call.

EXACTLY :band:

[Rickstilwell1]

Beyond the Beyond for Playstation does not suck. It is one of my top favorite, most underrated games of all time. I beat the game 10 times and I'm not stopping there :)

You know, I created 8 gameshark codes for the game that work but they are not posted anywhere online. They modify the characters' in battle sprites so they appear gigantic and are as tall as the screen. If you use it on more than one of your characters at once it looks totally wrong in battle especially the way the characters bounce up and down to keep their battle energy flowing. I should show it on youtube...

[neuropolitique]

I like racing games.

[TheDomesticInstitution]

Has anyone here actually seen a Donkey Show?

[todesengel]

I still can't believe they haven't released Duke Nukem Forever.
Because you touch yourself.

[DDCecil]

I think Garry said it best:

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/447/poorgary22.png

[Daria]

No, no, no... NO. Like this... 2 RPGs 1 Cup style.
*Chrono Cross licks Hydlide's partially exposed butthole*
*Hydlide wants to savor this moment forever, but can't, because it's save feature sucks*

*giggles*

[kupomogli]

Has anyone here actually seen a Donkey Show?

Only on Clerks 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc6q5u9PdOI

*edit*

That's as real as it'll ever get for me btw.

[Guru of Time and Space]

This thread is about that Zoltor twerp, right?
I mean... right?

-GoTaS

[Poofta!]

i love RPGs, but dont you just hate reading text on a 1080p monitor? especially forums. i mean, wtf! we're missing like 120 veritical lines which really makes it hard to scroll and read documents properly.

i think we all need to rally together to stop this injustice. I, personally, blame Hydlide and Chrono Cross.

SMT can get some too

[Richter Belmount]

So..... the moral of the thread is to derail all the rpg topics?

[Snapple]

Chrono Cross isn't the best game ever made, but it's pretty damn awesome. A lot of people can't get over the fact that it's its own game more than it is "Chrono Trigger 2."

The real most overrated RPG of all time is the entire Dragon Quest series. If you hate innovation, you'll love Dragon Quest. It uses the same battle engine that it used 25 years ago.

All of this is just my opinion, of course. Not fact.

[Arasoi]

This thread is about that Scumtor twerp, right?
I mean... right?

-GoTaS

Fixed.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Has anyone here actually seen a Donkey Show?

There was this one time... At Tijuana Band-Camp...


So..... the moral of the thread is to derail all the rpg topics?

Doom-Train must die. Wiggle. Your. Big. Toe.

[Poofta!]

So..... the moral of the thread is to derail all the rpg topics?

Derp

http://420.thrashbarg.net/garfield-head-cup-derp.jpg

[Zoltor]

Honestly, I don't understand the whining about topics changing subject as of late. It's one thing if a topic comes completely out of left field, but it's another if a topic slowly evolves into other areas. One of the things I like best about this forum is that, other than some broad categorization, we're free to talk about what we please. We're not limited to solely discussing one system or one game like on many other boards. And it's when topics evolve that we often get interesting discussions going, rather than bare-bones answering of topic questions (and face it, most people don't even read the previous answers to a topic's question when making their own; the fact that I usually do read them makes that obvious to me).

And seriously, all this so-called "off-topic" stuff has been logical. Castlevania 2, a game that's often hated just because of other people's hate, is discussed in a topic about hating games for the sake of hating them. Wow, what a surprise. Chrono Cross, an RPG that doesn't have much value, is discussed as to why it may not have much value in a topic about why some RPGs have value. I never saw that one coming. When a topic is genuinely derailed, gimme a call.

I kind of agree(aka like how the other RPG thread evolved, it was pretty good, and still based around RPGs), but the Sega CD derailing is all screwed up, It's so bad now, it has nothing to do with the Sega
CD anymore.

[Berserker]

Honestly, I don't understand the whining about topics changing subject as of late. It's one thing if a topic comes completely out of left field, but it's another if a topic slowly evolves into other areas. One of the things I like best about this forum is that, other than some broad categorization, we're free to talk about what we please. We're not limited to solely discussing one system or one game like on many other boards. And it's when topics evolve that we often get interesting discussions going, rather than bare-bones answering of topic questions (and face it, most people don't even read the previous answers to a topic's question when making their own; the fact that I usually do read them makes that obvious to me).

And seriously, all this so-called "off-topic" stuff has been logical. Castlevania 2, a game that's often hated just because of other people's hate, is discussed in a topic about hating games for the sake of hating them. Wow, what a surprise. Chrono Cross, an RPG that doesn't have much value, is discussed as to why it may not have much value in a topic about why some RPGs have value. I never saw that one coming. When a topic is genuinely derailed, gimme a call.

Agreed. Personally, as long as a discussion is interesting and fruitful, I don't really care where it goes in relation to the original topic. But that's a personal view, not an "official" one - I don't think we even have an official stance on staying on-topic, except for in the case of the Buying & Selling forum, and even that's really just there for practical purposes.

Usually the only time I split a thread is to lock the split, in cases where extreme trolling/asshattery has had a seriously detrimental effect on a thread. This notion that a mod should step in and splinter a discussion the moment it drifts off on a tangent is a new one for me - I don't agree with it, and it's not something I'm willing to do, personally. To me that would almost be like outside interference. As long as no rules are being broken and things aren't getting out of hand, I feel like I don't really have any business coming in and throwing official powers around.

But again, these are just my own wonky views. You should expect such views to vary from mod-to-mod as long as there isn't any rule about it.

Anyway, I've always been in favor of communities that control themselves and take matters into their own hands. To me, that's almost always preferable over any kind of official constraints that we could put in place. That's why I really like the idea of this thread. This is exactly the kind of thing you should do when there's something going on in the community that you don't agree with - take matters into your own hands. Don't just complain about it: ACT. Do something about it.

This applies to derailing too. So if you think a topic you're interested in has been derailed, don't just complain about it or wait for us to do something about it - take action! Start talking about the original topic again and do what you can to try and bring things back on-track.

We do what we can to remove the major obstacles, but this place really is only as good as *you* all make it. Every person here has a very direct and palpable bearing on the quality and direction of discussion that takes place. If you let things slide, then assume they will slide. Don't leave it to others to make things right.

Start taking matters into your own hands.

[Icarus Moonsight]

I had a hand in something similar recently. I took the going discussion out of the thread, into a new one. What happened? The old thread stopped being active... There wasn't really a need for a split, in the end. I am glad that I did, as the evolved topic needed it's own place, for ease of recalling and searching. I can't even remember the thread it split from now. Imagine a year from now... It would be lost forever.

I posted in the original thread, something to the effect of, 'Yes, I agree this is off-topic, I vote for a split...' Then I thought, why wait? I'll just do it myself. Worked out fine.

[Sosage]

I kind of agree(aka like how the other RPG thread evolved, it was pretty good, and still based around RPGs), but the Sega CD derailing is all screwed up, It's so bad now, it has nothing to do with the Sega
CD anymore.

Well. Yeah. It's essentially two people throwing walls of text at each other now about Victor Ireland. Remember when it was five people throwing walls of text at one person possibly trolling us all about what a console epic failure is? Those were some good times...

[Kitsune Sniper]

Agreed. Personally, as long as a discussion is interesting and fruitful, I don't really care where it goes in relation to the original topic. But that's a personal view, not an "official" one - I don't think we even have an official stance on staying on-topic, except for in the case of the Buying & Selling forum, and even that's really just there for practical purposes.

Usually the only time I split a thread is to lock the split, in cases where extreme trolling/asshattery has had a seriously detrimental effect on a thread. This notion that a mod should step in and splinter a discussion the moment it drifts off on a tangent is a new one for me - I don't agree with it, and it's not something I'm willing to do, personally. To me that would almost be like outside interference. As long as no rules are being broken and things aren't getting out of hand, I feel like I don't really have any business coming in and throwing official powers around.

But again, these are just my own wonky views. You should expect such views to vary from mod-to-mod as long as there isn't any rule about it.

Anyway, I've always been in favor of communities that control themselves and take matters into their own hands. To me, that's almost always preferable over any kind of official constraints that we could put in place. That's why I really like the idea of this thread. This is exactly the kind of thing you should do when there's something going on in the community that you don't agree with - take matters into your own hands. Don't just complain about it: ACT. Do something about it.

This applies to derailing too. So if you think a topic you're interested in has been derailed, don't just complain about it or wait for us to do something about it - take action! Start talking about the original topic again and do what you can to try and bring things back on-track.

We do what we can to remove the major obstacles, but this place really is only as good as *you* all make it. Every person here has a very direct and palpable bearing on the quality and direction of discussion that takes place. If you let things slide, then assume they will slide. Don't leave it to others to make things right.

Start taking matters into your own hands.

TL;DR

Would you mind not derailing our derailing topic?

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I actually left a forum recently because the mods had their asses up in their heads. No, not their heads up in their asses. They were so out there in their so-called moderation that they had their asses up in their heads. You may not agree with people asking that certain parts of a thread be split, but when both the original topic creator and the person that made most of the off topic posts agree that it should be done, well, that's another thing.

And I only mentioned the other topic because this was a venting thread, no real offense was meant.

[Arkhan]

Oh wait, the thread died.

SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TELL US TO STOP DISCUSSING THE DISCUSSIONS?!?!!111112222BUCKLEMYSHOE.

in all seriousness though, I always wonder how the Hydlide haters would react if they were a budding gamer in 1985 and they just got it for their MSX in Japan and were treated to a new concept entirely

oooos and ahhhhs would follow.

and I love when the "seasoned pro, joe 1337z0r g4m0rtr0n 9000s" get their ass handed to them by Hydlide. THAT is great shit right there! IM SO HRADCOER. LOL I LUB BIDEO DAEMS. WHUT?! BLUE SLIMES KILLED ME? HAO.
:rockets: :rockets: :rockets: :rockets: :rockets: :rockets: :rockets: :rockets:
:rockets:

[Richter Belmount]

Hydlide is terrible , play nba jam instead. I love that game : ).

[Icarus Moonsight]

I'm on the scene, reporting live! Ground Zero: Hydlide. The sucking forces are incredible! It's like Paris Hilton uncrossed her legs at a Nickelback concert... I've duct taped myself securely to this freeway overpass pylon. Used 5 rolls... I can feel the flesh on my face being twisted and pulled toward the center of the event. I think were in for some serious shit here. Scientist's have calculated that the degree of suck will continue to incline, proportional to the mass that it gains at it's center. We could be a binary system within the half-hour.... Oh, noes...

*rip*

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! I hate Hydlide!!! AHHHHHHHH!

[kupomogli]

I can't even remember the thread it split from now. Imagine a year from now... It would be lost forever.

Wasn't it the great Devil Summoner 2 thread discussing how many copies of this crappy game were made?

[Aussie2B]

Wasn't it the great Devil Summoner 2 thread discussing how many copies of this crappy game were made?

Didn't you say that you never even played Devil Summoner 2 because you hated the first? You know, Atlus's whole marketing campaign behind that game was to get across the fact that it was significantly improved over the original.

[tom]

There's no better RPG than DragonStomper

[Icarus Moonsight]

No, that I remember. I do not recall what thread it was brought up that it should be split from.

[j_factor]

I DON'T LIKE NES.

Or N64.

[Icarus Moonsight]

What if Hydlide impregnated a 5200 controller? O_O

[Gameguy]

in all seriousness though, I always wonder how the Hydlide haters would react if they were a budding gamer in 1985 and they just got it for their MSX in Japan and were treated to a new concept entirely
They'd love it, right up until Zelda got released and showed them how much Hydlide really sucked.

Seriously though, I just found out that the game received several sequels which were released in North America, are those any good? Apparently a sequel came out on the Genesis and another one for the Saturn.

[Zoltor]

What if Hydlide impregnated a 5200 controller? O_O

Isn't that how the Atari Jaguar was made?

[Berserker]

You may not agree with people asking that certain parts of a thread be split, but when both the original topic creator and the person that made most of the off topic posts agree that it should be done, well, that's another thing.

I don't think there should be a difference. Everyone who participates in a discussion has a very direct bearing on which direction it goes in the moment that they're participating in it. It goes here, it goes there, it might stay on-topic or it might go off in some new direction. That's just the way a discussion flows.

If someone wants it to go back to the original topic, they have but to use the act of their participation to move the flow in that direction. That's not only entirely possible but, IMO, preferable to some outside party (like me) stepping in and attempting to bend things into that general shape by pure force. I think that should be viewed as a kind of last resort.

Around here, mods tend to step in when things get too heated or out of hand, but that never happened in the case you're referring to. There was an obvious back-and-forth going on, but you were all civil about it. With no rules being broken and nothing getting out of hand, why should I interfere with a discussion simply because a few involved ask for it to be interfered with? Anyway, that's just the way I look at it.

And no offense taken. I don't mind anyone implying that my ass is up my head, though I would ask that you not hold the other mods responsible for my own weird-assed personal views.

[DigitalSpace]

I LIKE NES. (http://jkwh.webs.com/neslist.html)

I also like racing games. (http://jkwh.webs.com/racingvglist.html)

[kupomogli]

No, that I remember. I do not recall what thread it was brought up that it should be split from.

One thread about Shiren going to be rare?

[Icarus Moonsight]

Sure, why not?

[AB Positive]

Beyond the Beyond for Playstation does not suck. It is one of my top favorite, most underrated games of all time. I beat the game 10 times and I'm not stopping there :)

You have a deranged mind, sir. I got this for xmas in 1997 and every second was painful and excruciating. One of those "Lots of great ideas, none executed well" type of deals. Also: WHY DO YOU GET INTO A RANDOM BATTLE EVERY TWO STEPS????

Beyond the Beyond was well-intentioned crap, but crap nonetheless. You may all continue now.

[Jisho23]

There's no better RPG than DragonStomper

The thread ended however many posts ago this was said.

[Kitsune Sniper]

And no offense taken. I don't mind anyone implying that my ass is up my head, though I would ask that you not hold the other mods responsible for my own weird-assed personal views.I wasn't criticizing you. I was merely stating that I left a forum where the mods had as much common sense as a crap-flinging monkey, which obviously is not the case here.

[kupomogli]

You have a deranged mind, sir. I got this for xmas in 1997 and every second was painful and excruciating. One of those "Lots of great ideas, none executed well" type of deals. Also: WHY DO YOU GET INTO A RANDOM BATTLE EVERY TWO STEPS????

Beyond the Beyond was well-intentioned crap, but crap nonetheless. You may all continue now.

Is yours still in mint condition?

[Berserker]

I wasn't criticizing you. I was merely stating that I left a forum where the mods had as much common sense as a crap-flinging monkey, which obviously is not the case here.

Ah, I guess I must have gotten a bit caught-up there and read into things wrong. Sorry about that, Kitsune.

[Arkhan]

They'd love it, right up until Zelda got released and showed them how much Hydlide really sucked.

Seriously though, I just found out that the game received several sequels which were released in North America, are those any good? Apparently a sequel came out on the Genesis and another one for the Saturn.

well, its like Adventure on Atari 2600. Does it "suck" once a game comes out later that out does it?

By that logic, every game sucks, eventually. You can't hold a game to standards which didn't exist at the time. That makes no sense.


It received one sequel (Super Hydlide) on Genesis. This is actually Hydlide 3: The Space Memories.

We never got the second game.

Virtual Hydlide is OK, depending how you look at it. It blows by todays standards, but at the time no not really. It is what you would expect from a "3D" game on the saturn.

[j_factor]

They'd love it, right up until Zelda got released and showed them how much Hydlide really sucked.

Seriously though, I just found out that the game received several sequels which were released in North America, are those any good? Apparently a sequel came out on the Genesis and another one for the Saturn.

I thought every Hydlide game sucked, but the Saturn one is especially heinous. It's one of the absolute worst games ever made IMO.

[Richter Belmount]

well, its like Adventure on Atari 2600. Does it "suck" once a game comes out later that out does it?

By that logic, every game sucks, eventually. You can't hold a game to standards which didn't exist at the time. That makes no sense.



Nooooooooooo Adventure is fucking awesome , your in denial of Hydlide.

[kupomogli]

well, its like Adventure on Atari 2600. Does it "suck" once a game comes out later that out does it?

Actually, yes. If a game does not age well then it sucks balls. I played Hydlide again and aside from the music I still thought it wasn't a bad game.

Now, Adventure used to be an awesome Atari game that I'd regularly play even when we had the Atari and NES because we had so many Atari games at the time. I thought it was a really good game. Recently when playing the game on an emulator just to get back into playing Atari games again, I thought the game was terrible.

Adventure did not age well. River Raid was still pretty badass, as well as Smurfs, Berzerk, etc. There was one game where you have to run along platforms that loop around and climb ladders to jump down and grab the crown but I couldn't remember the name so couldn't tell if that one aged well or not, but it was another game I really enjoyed playing.

Or Dragon Warrior. It was the first RPG I've played and I loved the game. Even after my parents bought me and my brother Final Fantasy which instantly became one of my favorites, I still liked Dragon Warrior, but then once we got Dragon Warrior 3, Dragon Warrior 4, then the SNES came out and I got Final Fantasy Mystic Quest(I like the game stfu,) Final Fantasy 4, Final Fantasy 6,tons of amazing RPG games, it was clear that the original Dragon Warrior was just a piece of crap. It's a game I can't go back to it's aged so poorly.

If a game ages well, then there's nothing stopping me from going back to it. but no matter how awesome the game is back then, if it sucks balls now days, I won't give it recognition as being a good game.

Dragon Warrior, Space Invaders, Grand Theft Auto 3, Street Fighter, etc. People praise them because they're really titles that were genre starting. GTA3 isn't, but it takes all the praise that it doesn't deserve from the original GTA games and the first 3d GTA type game Driver(which actually has aged very well.) I've seen some people bash GTA4 for limiting the game and praising GTA3 in the same sentence(wtf??)

[Kitsune Sniper]

Funny thing about Adventure.

I never played or owned an Atari system. But someone posted a link to a recreation of the game in Flash and before I realized it, I was hooked. The game is stupidly simple yet... pretty damn deep. I actually beat it in the easiest difficulty without even realizing it.

[jdc]

I enjoy rpgs, but was so completely bored with Chrono Trigger that I never finished it. Chrono Cross was a bit of a mess, albeit a very pretty one, and I actually finished it.

[.Singe]

Chrono Cross isn't the best game ever made, but it's pretty damn awesome. A lot of people can't get over the fact that it's its own game more than it is "Chrono Trigger 2."

The real most overrated RPG of all time is the entire Dragon Quest series. If you hate innovation, you'll love Dragon Quest. It uses the same battle engine that it used 25 years ago.

All of this is just my opinion, of course. Not fact.

Finally, thank you. I enjoyed Chrono Cross. It was something different and innovative.

[pseudonym]

Chrono Cross sucks and I'm indifferent to both Chrono Trigger and Earthbound. :yipes: What do you guys think of Xenogears? Masterpiece or POS? What do you think of all the silly psychobabble and religious symbolism?

[kupomogli]

I loved Xenogears. Storyline was amazing, level design, platforming was a very nice aspect. Gameplay was the only portion of the game that was flawed. Simplified version of Legend of Legaia where you'd only use the strongest attack available most of the time, and magic was pretty much useless compared to physical attacks.

I don't care about the omg religious, not religious bs. Anyone that judges the game better or worse because of that is praising it or bashing it for no reason.

[Richter Belmount]

I loved Xenogears. Storyline was amazing, level design, platforming was a very nice aspect. Gameplay was the only portion of the game that was flawed. Simplified version of Legend of Legaia where you'd only use the strongest attack available most of the time, and magic was pretty much useless compared to physical attacks.

I don't care about the omg religious, not religious bs. Anyone that judges the game better or worse because of that is praising it or bashing it for no reason.

Hello thread derailment , Buzzkillington

[Arasoi]

RPGs are time vampires, and are ruining society.

My favorite is Final Fantasy 6.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Berzerker started to derail this to begin with. GET IM

[Snapple]

I got your back, Mr. Singe. Chrono Cross fans unite.

[Richter Belmount]

I got your back, Mr. Singe.

Bow chicka wow wow

[mezrabad]

Why is everyone even here? Shouldn't we all be playing Final Fantasy XIII? Which reminds me, what the hell am I doing her... I don't remember teleporting, but suddenly here I am.., alone... naked....

Final Fantasy: neither final -nor- fantasy. Discuss.

[Snapple]

I'll get FF13 when I can devote my full attention to it. I got my wisdom teeth out today, and I wouldn't be able to appreciate it full of meds and pain.

Besides, I'm also in the middle of playing the original Shining Force again. Shining Force seems so archaic by today's SRPG standards, but it still has this charm I can't resist after all these years.

[pseudonym]

Strange, I got two of my wisdom teeth pulled out today too. I've been sitting around with meds and an icepack all day.

The last Final Fantasy game I played was 10, X-2 was sort of amusing when I was watched someone play it one time.

[Aussie2B]

I'm a huge RPG fan, and I've yet to play any numbered Final Fantasy that I thought was any better than so-so. And that includes VII. I liked Mystic Quest more than any of the numbered ones I've played, actually.

There, that should be enough for 10 pages of heated arguments and tangents, even if I don't participate myself. :P

[Snapple]

Yay, wisdom tooth buddies.

I had a freaky moment in the middle of the surgery. I temporarily regained consciousness long enough to hear the sound of crunching tooth or bone. Couldn't feel anything, and then I drifted off again, but still not something I wanted to experience.

But now I am derailing the derailing topic.

[Richter Belmount]

I aint buyin no FF13 , new final fantasy games arent rpgs anymore... Theyre anime. bleh!

[todesengel]

I aint buyin no FF13 , new final fantasy games arent rpgs anymore... Theyre anime. bleh!
Well Square has been going out of their way lately to say that FF13 isn't an RPG.