E3 2010: Nintendo Press Conference Thread

[TonyTheTiger]

It's a pretty easy effect to do if you think about it. I can imagine all the major games from the N64 making their way to the 3DS.

[kingpong]

E3 is over. Mark this day, where Nintendo finally catered to the hardcore gamer.

Exactly when did they do this? Rehashes of their old franchises is fan service, not something for the hardcore gamers. The 3DS was the most hardcore thing they showed, though the first party games they've announced are fan service. They did largely get away from the extreme casual market this year, but they didn't show anything that would sell you on their stuff unless you were going to buy their franchises anyway. Their best presentation in years, but take away the 3DS and it was a pretty sad showing - not that MS or Sony did anything special.

[Damaniel]

My opinion:

3DS before the press conference -- Meh. Something I'd pick up eventually.
3DS after the press conference -- Hell yes! I want one now :D

The Kid Icarus announcement alone is enough to make me run and get my preorder in. I've been waiting for a new one for over 20 years and it looks like they've done a good job of transitioning the game to 3D. The huge amount of 3rd party game support certainly doesn't hurt either.

I can't say I'm very enthusiastic about the new Zelda game (I never got into any of the N64/GameCube versions either), but the 3DS made my day. Release it already!

[TonyTheTiger]

The casual vs. hardcore concept is the most asinine thing I've ever heard. "Casual" is a word self-proclaimed "hardcore" players toss around to make themselves feel better. I saw neither hardcore nor casual in Nintendo's conference. I saw new and old school made new.

[Zap!]

The casual vs. hardcore concept is the most asinine thing I've ever heard. "Casual" is a word self-proclaimed "hardcore" players toss around to make themselves feel better. I saw neither hardcore nor casual in Nintendo's conference. I saw new and old school made new.

I see your point, but I am like that with baseball. I am a hardcore stats guy, and 'm always saying how I hate how the casual fan puts Nolan Ryan on a pedestal, when he's not even top 5 of the last 25 years, and how I despise how the casual fan says "Ken Griffey Jr. is second only to Willy Mays in defensive center fielders" when he's not even the best of the last 15 years. :D

[NayusDante]

Exactly when did they do this? Rehashes of their old franchises is fan service, not something for the hardcore gamers.

This is true. There was nothing in the way of a new title, only preexisting franchises. It's better than last year, which was a plethora of causal titles, then Mario and Metroid.

It might be worth noting that nothing shown by Nintendo was beyond T-rated material. Even the new Zelda looks pretty tame, and I can see it in E10 territory. It's nice to see them making good games without the blood and adult content, but you can't ignore that sector entirely.

[Red Warrior]

I see your point, but I am like that with baseball. I am a hardcore stats guy, and 'm always saying how I hate how the casual fan puts Nolan Ryan on a pedestal, when he's not even top 5 of the last 25 years, and how I despise how the casual fan says "Ken Griffey Jr. is second only to Willy Mays in defensive center fielders" when he's not even the best of the last 15 years. :D

Nolan Ryan had 7 no-hitters and 5,714 strikeouts, so he can keep his pedestal. :D

Back on topic: I love the idea of a new Kid Icarus, but, at the same time, that trailer didn't really feel like Kid Icarus to me. I don't know... I guess I dunno what I was expecting in a new installment in the franchise. Perhaps another 2D side-scrolling adventure. Oh well... at least the story will finally continue. I'll buy it.

[GrandAmChandler]

Dayum. You guys and your literal meanings. Maybe "Hardcore" wasn't the word I was looking for. Fan-service seems about right!


It's nice to see them making good games without the blood and adult content, but you can't ignore that sector entirely.

Sure you can. Look at the sales figs, they are blowing all other markets out of the water. Why change a winning formula? They have never really done many "M" games, their bread and butter is their staples. Which are all E-T rated.

[The 1 2 P]

It sounds like Nintendo had an awesome show. I've been trying to watch it(and Sony's) but most sites don't have them posted yet. Hopefully I'll get to watch them later tonight.

[Kyle15]

I watched the whole thing this morning. VERY impressed!

The new Kirby, DK, and Kid Icarus games really took me off guard. Can't wait! @_@

[Greg2600]

Kid Icarus, wow, but the original stunk.

[Richter Belmount]

Annnnd aaaaaah Ocarina of Time is being remade for the 3DS!

http://www.zeldainformer.com/2010/06/ocarina-of-time-3ds-appears.php#more

There was so much that Nintendo didn't show/mention during their conference!

instant buy

[Rob2600]

I'd bang all those women.

Says the boy who has a "I'm gonna rape you" avatar. Classy.

[heybtbm]

Says the boy who has a "I'm gonna rape you" avatar. Classy.

The actual meme is "You gonna get raped"...and I've always been partial to this version...

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/8357/533516690102d980751.jpg

[LiquidPolicenaut]

I gotta say I was pleasantly surprised with Nintendos conference. i thought the 3DS would literally be the DS with minimal upgrades but, by the looks of the pics, the graphics for the 3DS look pretty damn nice so far..

[NayusDante]

The specs give a resolution of 800x240, but the 3D effect uses 400 horizontal pixels for each part of the stereoscopic image. Does this mean that the actual resolution is 400x240?

[joshnickerson]

I'd guess it's not 100% yet, but it does need some polish for sure. GameSpot's comments section are tearing the control apart.

They said it was all the wireless blogging going on that was interferring with the Wiimote, and apparently it was true, since the impressions that came out after people tried out the game for themselves said the gameplay was very smooth.

I'm jazzed man. I'm always up for a new Zelda, and the new Donkey Kong and Kirby games are keeping side scrolling alive and away from "download only" territory. I was a bit disappointed by the Kirby game at first, but when Kirby grabbed a button and drew the landscape together like a curtain, that little bit won me over.

The new Mario Vs. Donkey Kong looks fun as well.

Kid Icarus. Damn. I was joking with some friends last night that we'd see a Clu Clu Land update before we saw a new Kid Icarus, but wow. This, along with the Star Fox 64 remake, is going to make it very difficult for me to hold off on a 3DS for very long.

[Rob2600]

Kid Icarus. Damn. I was joking with some friends last night that we'd see a Clu Clu Land update before we saw a new Kid Icarus, but wow. This, along with the Star Fox 64 remake, is going to make it very difficult for me to hold off on a 3DS for very long.

Star Fox 64 remake? Very tempting...

[kupomogli]

You guys notice how when the PSP was released and it has a couple ports in its line up everyone is bitching about how it has nothing but ports. Or how the PSP has a single analog stick and it's like. System sucks because it only has one analog.

Well now look at the DS. Around a third of the games announced are ports and it's got a single, although nice looking, analog. Also Tony the Tiger, no offense, as well as other "I hope the 3DS gets more ports from N64 or more ports from etc."

People are honestly a bunch of hypocrites.

That said. I want a 3DS.

[GarrettCRW]

It's not a Nintendo thread on DP if kupomogli isn't bitching about Nintendo and slurping Sony.

[NayusDante]

It's not a Nintendo thread on DP if kupomogli isn't bitching about Nintendo and slurping Sony.

...and saying that he'd bang someone. :bday:


Yes, the 3DS has but one stick, but it also has a touch screen. A touch screen provides absolute movement, which an analog stick does not. Thus, you can play shooters on a 3DS, whilst you can only fumble around with shooters on a PSP.

Still, the software lineup is definitely full of ports. Time will tell if it's a solid platform or not. At the moment, I'm using my PSP a lot for RPGs, while my DS languishes with Pokemon in the slot.

[NayusDante]

I'm looking at the 3DS screenshots, and I'm actually pretty pleased with the quality. I haven't played enough 3D games on PSP yet to accurately compare the two, but it's definitely a competent system.

http://e3src.nintendo.com//images/ctr/games/mgseater/ss4.png

[BHvrd]

WOW. Nintendo imo scored at e3 and was best of show. Games galore!

I'm really interested in trying this 3DS out as well, hopefully it fairs better than some of their past "gimmicks", but yeah Nintendo really imo had a great fucking show, they focused on what matters games and not just games but their "key franchise games", while also solidifying their domination of the handheld market "if it works".

Still no Wii HD = me :(

[kupomogli]

I'm looking at the 3DS screenshots, and I'm actually pretty pleased with the quality. I haven't played enough 3D games on PSP yet to accurately compare the two, but it's definitely a competent system.

Graphically the 3DS wins over the PSP. Where the 3DS looks to be between PS2 and XBOX graphics, the PSP is between Dreamcast and PS2 graphics. Atleast that's what it looks like from the screenshots.

Since the 3DS has backwards compatibility between all DS titles, I think it's safe to say that it will soon be better than the PSP.

Now it's time for Sony to release a PSP2. Make it backwards compatible and Bluray UMD format. Also don't screw up and make it so easily hackable this time. A 1080p screen that also updates all other PSP games to 1080p and a 2ms max response speed would also be nice(hopefully it's lower, but the original PSP is somewhere around 4-5ms LCD. Just a guess.)

[buzz_n64]

HOLY SH*T!!! Donkey Kong Country Returns coming to Wii, now I need a Wii for sure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=KE55PZs1NRo

[swlovinist]

From the looks of it, Nintendo really came out swinging. I felt that they had some strong software to show, along with the 3DS. For me, it looked like Nintendo had the best show they have had in years. Good for them, good for gamers. The Wii Kirby game really looked fun to play.

[poloplayr]

I hate to admit it but I came away very very very impressed by Nintendo's showing.

Ticked most of my boxes....

- New hardware that I'm actually looking forward to

- Lots of new titles with the kind of old school gameplay I LOVE

- A Zelda title which I am counting down the seconds to play.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Just when I swore off watching these frakin' things they get good again? WTF!?

They needed to bring the software, and well, they did indeed from the sound of it. I'll be more able to add to discussion when I finally see the presentation for myself.

It's on youtube (in 8 chucks) if ya missed it live, or just want to watch it all again.
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2KRytV5N-M

The "I'm Finally Caught Up" Edit:

The 3DS showing has me extremely anxious to try it... Lots of tease, little reveal of what matters most. I know it's because of the nature of the display, but still, they played on it very well. Actually spun a positive out of a potential neg, expertly. It was basically Gadget Geek Burlesque 101. Apple should be taking notes... Sony? Naw, too easy (dun dun-dun dun).

3D photos and movies might be neat too... Not a major feature in my consideration, but that may change after I see the screen in action. At this point, everything hinges on how the 3D looks.

And ZOMG GAMES! Wii needed them, badly. The last year wasn't completely barren, but it was starting to look down that's for sure. No longer. Kirby looks like it has the chance to be among the most endearing of the whole series, which is saying a lot. The whole kitschy-craft world and elements thing, over the top original IMO. I think Zelda would have shown much stronger without the hiccups. The problems seeded some doubt about the controls from comments I've read... Well, with a 2011 planned release this ensures more showings before a launch date is even guessed at. So, no worries, it might go all the way to (or past) the Mayan Universal-Death Day. This is Nintendo and Zelda after all. "Push it" is not only par, it's unrealistic to doubt at least one instance.

3DS is slated as coming at the end of this year right? Damn, I need to squirrel away a little neat bundle so I can keep up with all this. I was hoping to get a new 360 slim, but that might have to wait... I'll find that more of a comfortable arrangement anyways, in case the slims spontaneously combust or something RRoD-plague reminiscent. Gives me time to gauge others experience with the hardware.

Best of all... Cammy Dunaway, MIA. Never again, please!? Looks like Reggie ate her (big pot belly... Did their corporate jet crash in the Andes? LOL ).

[BetaWolf47]

You know, the 3DS ports/remakes have me kind of mad. Not at the fact that they're happening, but the fact that it took Nintendo this long to throw an enhanced version of the games at us. The games, bar Pilotwings, have had releases on VC with little to no upgrade over the originals.

Oh well, it'll be interesting to see if these games work without the C buttons or a second analog stick. Speaking of analog, it's odd to see Nintendo take a cue from Sony for once.

[kupomogli]

Oh well, it'll be interesting to see if these games work without the C buttons or a second analog stick. Speaking of analog, it's odd to see Nintendo take a cue from Sony for once.

Twice.. no make that three, I mean fo... err, six times.

With the DSi they added a memory card slot, internet, music player, video player, and image gallery. While you could say the image gallery is there due to the DSi's main focus of release, the camera, everything else was definitely thrown on there in order to compete more with the PSP.

Nintendo even stated "We want the DS to be more just a gaming machine. We want it to be something that our consumers use for their daily needs, etc." Isn't that what Sony has been saying since releasing the PSP but in different words?

Nintendo Gamer: Sony PSP blows. It has mostly good games on the system but rarely every comes out with any new games. Also what's with just one analog stick. Gay. Good thing I have custom firmware to download all the games that come out. That'll show 'em.

Nintendo Gamer: OMFG. The DSi. It's got so many new and amazing features. I can listen to my music, watch movies, go online, and it's got an SD slot and camera. If Nintendo was a person, I would go down on it's penis.

Nintendo Gamer(later:) OMFG. The 3DS. It's neat that they added an analog stick. I am getting Pilot Wings, Samurai Warriors, Ocarina of Time, Metal Gear Solid, and Star Fox 64 on day one! I hope the system comes out with more ports!

Anyways. To get back on topic.

I just watched Sony's E3 press conference last night on the Playstation Home because I didn't want to watch it in small bits and pieces on Youtube so watched the full thing there. I was disappointed(posting my disappointment in the Sony thread.) It sucked. Microsoft's E3 press conference was even worse.

Nintendo's E3 press conference makes me finally want to get a Wii though. It'll be quite awhile before I find those first party games on sale. But Metroid the Other M, Donkey Kong Country, and Kirby's Epic Yarn look like must have games. There's atleast five other Wii games that aren't multiconsole I want to own already so I'll just collect the games when they go cheap, and once the Wii has another price drop I'll pick the system up.

[pepharytheworm]

Twice.. no make that three, I mean fo... err, six times.

With the DSi they added a memory card slot, internet, music player, video player, and image gallery. While you could say the image gallery is there due to the DSi's main focus of release, the camera, everything else was definitely thrown on there in order to compete more with the PSP.

Nintendo even stated "We want the DS to be more just a gaming machine. We want it to be something that our consumers use for their daily needs, etc." Isn't that what Sony has been saying since releasing the PSP but in different words?

Nintendo Gamer: Sony PSP blows. It has mostly good games on the system but rarely every comes out with any new games. Also what's with just one analog stick. Gay. Good thing I have custom firmware to download all the games that come out. That'll show 'em.

Nintendo Gamer: OMFG. The DSi. It's got so many new and amazing features. I can listen to my music, watch movies, go online, and it's got an SD slot and camera. If Nintendo was a person, I would go down on it's penis.

Nintendo Gamer(later:) OMFG. The 3DS. It's neat that they added an analog stick. I am getting Pilot Wings, Samurai Warriors, Ocarina of Time, Metal Gear Solid, and Star Fox 64 on day one! I hope the system comes out with more ports!

I don't know about you but most people I heard could careless about the DSi features you mentioned, especially the camera. Everyboby always copies somebody to an extent, why harp on his wording. If anything from your response it seems you should be suprised a Nintendo fan even gave one concession towards sony being first. Do we need to also state everything Sony copied from Nintendo?

[RPG_Fanatic]

I want to see the new 3DS in action before I take the plunge. I can't wait for Dragon quest XI and the Golden Sun!!! I want to see more of the Kirby game too.

[kupomogli]

Do we need to also state everything Sony copied from Nintendo?

Sure. But to be honest, unless you state making a portable console or features like rumble, you're not going to get much. Sony copied Nintendo with the motion control. Blatant ripoff that is a novelty item, like the Wiimote.

Like I said though. The DSi is a redesign of their current portable console copying all of the PSPs additional features. Even the DSi's camera is a ripoff of a feature Sony had on the PSP. The only difference between the DSi's camera other than that there are two is the fact that it's attached to the system and not external hardware. So technically the entire system is an upgrade to copy what the PSP has to offer if you want to get down to it. The Gameboy had a camera, but it could only take pictures and you could say it's a copy of one item(which it isn't because it can't do nearly as much,) not the entire system as the DSi is.

Released in Japan(2006) and PAL territories(2007) and now introducing it into the US(2010,) the Go! Cam allows you to take pictures, record video, and use editing software through the PSP. Even games and applications have been released utilizing the hardware. Worthless accessory but it must have sold in those areas if they're releasing it here finally.

A Nintendo fan didn't give any concession towards Sony first. The quotes were completely made up by stuff I've heard in general.

[pepharytheworm]

@kupomogli
Did you forget the whole reason you made that post? This was the one concession I was speaking of. I of course was assuming BetaWolf47 is a Nintendo fan.


Originally Posted by BetaWolf47
Oh well, it'll be interesting to see if these games work without the C buttons or a second analog stick. Speaking of analog, it's odd to see Nintendo take a cue from Sony for once.

I just think its pointless to say systems are copying other systems. The PSP nor the DS came up with all the features their systems have out of thin air. I am not the type of person who says comments like, "Sony is just trying to copy Nintendo with their Move." I like people "copying" others or how else do you get better developed products of similiar design. Even if the Move fails it can help other companies get success by learning from its failings. Inspiration is a better word to use. No one is original as a whole.

By the way I wasn't even excited for the 3DS till I saw it and Kid Icarus. I was mad that I still only have a original DS and can't keep up with the upgrades.

[buzz_n64]

Wow. Nintendo, you win, that settles it, my next system will be a Nintendo system. Too many good games, I'm overwhelmed. :)

Kid Icarus Uprising trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83VnVLxgAfY

[Icarus Moonsight]

Sure. But to be honest, unless you state making a portable console or features like rumble, you're not going to get much. Sony copied Nintendo with the motion control. Blatant ripoff that is a novelty item, like the Wiimote.

Like I said though. The DSi is a redesign of their current portable console copying all of the PSPs additional features. Even the DSi's camera is a ripoff of a feature Sony had on the PSP. The only difference between the DSi's camera other than that there are two is the fact that it's attached to the system and not external hardware. So technically the entire system is an upgrade to copy what the PSP has to offer if you want to get down to it. The Gameboy had a camera, but it could only take pictures and you could say it's a copy of one item(which it isn't because it can't do nearly as much,) not the entire system as the DSi is.

Released in Japan(2006) and PAL territories(2007) and now introducing it into the US(2010,) the Go! Cam allows you to take pictures, record video, and use editing software through the PSP. Even games and applications have been released utilizing the hardware. Worthless accessory but it must have sold in those areas if they're releasing it here finally.

A Nintendo fan didn't give any concession towards Sony first. The quotes were completely made up by stuff I've heard in general.

Game & Watch. Too antiquated? GameBoy circa 1989? Either way, checkmate. Argument is the equivalent of posting "FIRST!" on the 30th post...

Now that the features of 3DS are known, one has to look at the DSi as a limited feature equivalency market test for the 3DS, exactly like the Go! was a test for the desired exclusive digi-distro plan of the next PSP. The 3DS design has solidified. Now Sony has time to adjust... And by adjust, I mean copy the form and drop the function.

[Rob2600]

ZOMG GAMES! Wii needed them, badly.

This is what I don't understand. Sin and Punishment: Star Successor comes out next week. Monster Hunter Tri, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Tiger Woods PGA Tour 11, and Trauma Team came out within the last two months. Before that, it was No More Heroes 2 and Tatsunoko vs. Capcom.

That's seven highly rated disc games in the past six months, plus another seven if you count WiiWare.

14 great games in the last six months. That seems good to me...the opposite of the Wii needing games badly. Is it just me? If so, where do you find the time to play through more than 14 entire games in six months?

[BetaWolf47]

Hey, anyone else hoping for a Virtual Boy Wario Land rerelease?

[Overbite]

I'm not sure what to think of the 3DS. All we can really do is rely on the opinions of other people who have "played" it because we can't see the 3D part unless we look at it in person.

Hearing that you have to look at the thing dead on and from a certian angle (though changable due to the slider thing) is kind of bad. I usually use my DS by having it on my lap and I lean back when I play it. I don't know if I could play the 3DS like that or if I'd have to hold it up to my face the entire time.

And the only thing they had to show for the 3DS are tech demos, no actual, playable games.

Still, I heard that the 3D effect works as well as they say it does. All it needs are some good games (NOT PORTS OF OLD GAMES PLEASE) and it could be interesting.

As for the new zelda, I give no fuck. 3D Dot Game Heroes is the best zelda since Links Awakening. The 3D ones sucked.

[Icarus Moonsight]

This is what I don't understand. Sin and Punishment: Star Successor comes out next week. Monster Hunter Tri, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Tiger Woods PGA Tour 11, and Trauma Team came out within the last two months. Before that, it was No More Heroes 2 and Tatsunoko vs. Capcom.

That's seven highly rated disc games in the past six months, plus another seven if you count WiiWare.

14 great games in the last six months. That seems good to me...the opposite of the Wii needing games badly. Is it just me? If so, where do you find the time to play through more than 14 entire games in six months?

This gaming industry is very "what have you done lately". Which with enough badly perceived news placed in the 'wrong' order makes a downward slide a near certainty. So, the conference addresses that into the future. It's what anyone that pays attention to these things wants to hear really.

The other thing, I personally have not been buying many games for the Wii this last year. I just picked up a few this month ($50 games for $25-30 is why)... First Wii game purchases for the year, I think. It's all been DS and PSP so far that I recall. So, yeah! I wanted a boost and some assurance that something good was coming up (that we haven't heard of). But, I wasn't expecting an onslaught/orgy like that. :D

[Zama]

I personally enjoyed Nintendo's press conference. :-P Plus Donkey Kong Country and Goldeneye are coming back in style. ^^

[sixwayshot]

If any company can make a solid and enjoyable game, it's Nintendo. I've barely touched my Wii in the past (Due to lack of games...), but with Super Mario Galaxy 2 currently being my favorite game in recent memory, I think I'm going to grab more Wii stuff in the future. Sin & Punishment 2 is a must-own, as the first one is great. I'm also picking up all of those games that Nintendo announced at their conference, save for Wii Party and that Dance Party game. DKC, GoldenEye, Epic Mickey, Zelda and Kirby will all be mine at some point.

As for the 3DS, I was skeptical. But then I saw Kid Icarus. And the tons of other titles being made for the console. And now I'm strongly considering buying a 3DS on launch day, as I did with all of my other Nintendo handhelds.

[joshnickerson]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b235/joshnickerson/pennye3.jpg

[Rickstilwell1]

Hey, anyone else hoping for a Virtual Boy Wario Land rerelease?

Yes with full color all levels and maybe more extra levels after the final boss would be awesome. Make that Virtual Boy look like it was just a prototype!

[Press_Start]

Dam that 3DS is hot sh!t. That clip of Miyamoto and Iwata running from Bowser has me psyched for the new Mario game. Not to mention seeing Atlus' name on the name list of developers makes me think a new Trauma Center game is in the works....I hope.

But I'm wondering if the DS stylus was a prelude to the motion controls for the Wii, could the 3DS without the 3d glasses foreshadow that Wii HD is Wii 3D without the 3D TV?

[Icarus Moonsight]

But I'm wondering if the DS stylus was a prelude to the motion controls for the Wii, could the 3DS without the 3d glasses foreshadow that Wii HD is Wii 3D without the 3D TV?

In other words... headtracking demo from two or three years ago?

[jb143]

I'm still surprized they havn't made a head tracking unit. The Wii is already set up for it and it wouldn't be expensive to make at all(except for requiring an extra Wii remote) It's not even computationally expensive as the Wii remote itself is fully capable of tracking the LED's with little help from the console. It just seems like it would be only of those "blow everyone away" things. Whether games could make good use out of it or not would be another story.

[DigitalSpace]

So much good stuff here. Zelda and DKC Returns are the titles I'm looking forward to the most, and it's great to finally see a new Kid Icarus.